Banyarwanda tribal question in Uganda: Gashumba clashed with Prof. Kanyeihamba over Bavandimwe

Prof. GW. Kanyeihamba one of the best constitutional drafts men Uganda has ever had in the history has clashed with Frank Malingumu Gashumba, the Chairman Council of Bavandimwe over their claims of having an independent tribe away from the Rwandese.
October 05 2022 11 03 26 AM

[@bakuramutsadavid3292]

I am B. David Kato born of Luweero, 26yrs old and a Mutusi by tribe, my great grand parents have been here in Uganda for more than 200yrs, I agree with Professor Kenyeihamba, if we create another tribe of Bavandimwe/ rebrand even other people will come up wanting to form new tribe with a new name. Yes, some times we are discriminated, but let us copy how the Israelite live since they are scattered all over the world like Bannyarwanda, Let us not compete for the available cake but focus on creating more cake in that other nations will crave for us due to our productivity. I grew up in our home town called Wobulenzi town council in Luweero district, but all our neighbors referred to our home "Ewa Mzee Munnyarwanda " not in bad heart and we were proud of it because our family was respected in the community for the services it offered.

[@GahLasi-rc5ey]

Am sure you were able to get a National ID...

[@mr.ahmedayub3032]

Their is no tribe called BaTutsi or Bahutu....These were economic classification by the Colonialists! Tutsi are people who graze cattle and the Hutu are those who dig farms(abalimi) If someone was able to transform and grow with many cows they would become Tutsi.

[@cvafrica8386]

Kuba umunyarwanda ni byigikiro kwisi hose

[@nassergabriel4778]

@@mr.ahmedayub3032 Wrong wrong wrong.

[@nassergabriel4778]

@@mr.ahmedayub3032 Tutsis and Hutus were 2 different ethnic groups long before Europeans came to Africa. Today Rwanda prohibits today the mention of ethnic groups due to the 1994 Genocide Against Tutsis. It’s odd that you people use this colonial blame always leave out the Twa(Pygmy) population of Rwanda and don’t claim them to also be a “social classification” invented by Europeans Centuries before Europeans arrived in Africa, the Tutsi, Hutu and Twa ethnic groups were already well-established. Just like the Hima and Bairu in Ankole, Tutsi and Hutu were distinct groups. In Burundi, it is proudly acknowledged that Tutsi and Hutu are two different ethnic groups. In the Democratic Republic of Congo, the Banyamulenge, who are descendants of several Tutsi/Hima clans , have been living there for centuries and identify themselves as Tutsi and you clearly tell you Tutsis and Hutus are different ethnic groups from different origin. Even the renowned Rwandan historian, Priest Alexis Kagame, provided evidence that Tutsi and Hutu are separate ethnic groups. It is important to note that in post-genocide Rwanda, the government and young historians have attempted to promote the idea that Hutu and Tutsi are the same, as a means of reconciliation and preventing future genocides. However, any honest Rwandan would tell you that even without identity cards indicating Tutsi or Hutu, people can still identify each other's ethnicity. Tutsi and Hima consider themselves to be the same people and share the same clans, while Hutu cannot claim to be Hima. In summary, the distinction between Tutsi and Hutu as separate ethnic groups predates the arrival of Europeans in Africa and is not influenced by white/European presence. The Tutsis and Hutus have always had a different culture even though they now speak the same language. Tutsis have a Pastoral Culture derived from South Cushitic Pastoralists of Savanna Pastoral Neolithic/Nilotic of East Africa The main diet of the Tutsis & Hima was Milk, Meat, Butter and Cattle Blood. The Tutsis and Hima are the responsible for introducing cattle to those regions of modern day Ankole Region of Uganda, Karagwe_Tanzania, Rwanda and Burundi. Their almost complete concentration on cattle. Goats were totally shunned and only one or two sheep would be kept with the herd. The pastoralists separated themselves from all aspects of agriculture and preferred to consume only milk, meat and occasionally blood. A 24-hour fast was observed before resuming milk consumption. In this exclusively pastoral world, the position of women, deprived of the opportunity to cultivate, was greatly undermined. As with the breeding of the herds, human reproduction was a carefully observed busi-ness, with very distinct perceptions of the social ties and human features that were regarded as desirable. In their activities they also distinguished themselves by dress codes, domestic architecture, pastimes, other aspects of material culture and, of course, economic practice. Tutsis are 90% Lactase Persistence On the other hand Hutus are descendants of Bantu Agriculturalists, they are strictly farmers, their diet was high in vegetables and lacked in animal protein due to the small amounts of animal products consumed. Their diet mainly consisted of beans, corn, millet, sorghum, sweet potatoes, and cassava etc… There are cases where language doesn't always correlate with genetics. Ethnicity refers to a person's cultural background, ancestry, and shared heritage, which can be independent of the language they speak. While language can be an important aspect of culture and identity, it is not a defining factor for determining one's ethnicity. Examples: •Ethiopia Semitic Groups who are more than 70% cushitic in ancestry •Nilotic pastoralists from Tanzania "Datoga ethnic have highest cushitic ancestry (~65%)than all surviving •South Cushitic (except Iraqw), but they speak a nilotic language. On Gedmatch and G25 Eurogene genetic tools, Tutsi/ Hima autosomal run are on average: 50% --65% cushitic + 15-30% South Sudanese and remaining %Bantoue and East Africa Hunter-gatherers admixtures. Tutsi/Hima Bantu admixtures are very low for a bantoue group (on average between 18% - - ~30%). There are many Tutsi on here (Reddit) and other social media who posted their 23andme 2023 and AncestryDna 2023 results.On 23andme 2023 results, Tutsi score on averag y ~50% - ~70% North East Africa You can also visit Gedmatch or visit G25 Eurogenes coordinates genetic results, which confirm my point. American Genecist Analysis from Razib Khan: www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020/01/18/the-belgians-did-not-invent-the-hutu-and-tutsi-ethnic-groups-who-have-different-origins/ •••First of all, Tutsi are Hima descendants from Ankole_Uganda and Karagwe_Tanzania pastoralists who migrated to Rwanda/Burundi thousands of years ago. Tutsi ancestors may have been language shifters, meaning their ancestors may have spoken a native East Africa language like Nilotic, cushitic or a mixed dialect before switching and adopting the bantoue language. Tutsis are genetically closer to Maasai and Horn African populations than they are to neighboring Bantu populations. The Tutsis/Hima, are descendants of South Cushitic Pastoralists who underwent a language shift. The genetic base of Tutsis is primarily from Savanna Pastoral Neolithic of Kenya/Tanzania, which makes up 55%-65% of their DNA. Autosomally Tutsis are on average 50-65%Cushitic, 20-25% Nilotic, 10-25% Bantu, and sometimes 1-2% East African Hunter Gatherer. All Tutsis with four Tutsi grandparents are typically 55%-65% North Eastern African on 23andMe . On a PCA plot, Tutsis cluster with Elmolo, Maasai, and Hima, who all have an average of 20-25% West-Eurasian ancestry, which comes from their Cushitic component. According to 23andMe Data of more than 100 Tested Tutsis, the most common paternal Haplogroup amongst Tutsis is E-M293 (E1b1b) at around 41%, most frequently carried by Southern Cushites and Nilo-Cushitic admixed populations such as Iraqw, Barabaig, Maasai, Datog, Hima etc…... The rest of Tutsis Paternal Y-Haplogroups belong to

[@jakanamuwendo4997]

It's sad that people who came here as political or economic refugees now demand the change of constitution of the host country. A choice was given to Banyarwanda in Uganda to be Bafumbira abd they integrate well with Ugandan Tribes. Because of ulterior motives the Tutsi rejected the Bafumbira to remain Banyarwanda. This implies Tutsi don't love anything that identifies them as Ugandas. The Hutu agreed.

[@birikunzira7183]

Did the Bafumbura accept them ? are you aware that there are many categories of kinyarwanda speaking groups , and that apart from Bufumbira there other parts after kabale which were taken and cut off from Rwanda ntungamo in particular and parts of Akagera region in Tanzania , north and South kivu now a volatile region all bordering Rwanda after 1888 Berlin conference?

[@bentutsibensamale7520]

Bufumbira is like jomba bwisha,kiga,mutara all rwandophone Regardless of the border Are the teso kenyan?those on the other side are!

[@zebulonrakolote6544]

•Their grandparents came before the Constitution •Some ancestors came before this land was named Uganda •They do not want to change Constitution. All they want is recognition and human respect

[@RupinyAlex]

​@@zebulonrakolote6544and their behavior . Ugandans are not stupid.

[@TheInterviewwithGman]

Change is not a bad thing. People are allowed to want change

[@musasizikalanda7327]

Nonsense who can denied you a passport when banyarwanda are the one in the ministry of internal affairs stop your lies and stop killing people for your interest

[@kigozissempala8525]

Am also wondering, who really denies it these refugees passports yet the internal affairs is flooded with Rwandese

[@nkubitodan1863]

Musasizi Sometimes it's good to use ur brains to understand first than use emotions to expose your ignorance

[@joelndahiro5321]

Colleagues do remember that gisoro and kigezi and part of mpororo were annexed to Uganda from Rwanda in 1910. This was a deal between Britain and Belgium after Germany was defeated. Bafumbira are actually relatives of Barera of northern Rwanda. Gashumba is a Ugandan of Rwandan origin.

[@swabsento]

So is he a mufumbira?

[@user-xw2kv7rf8d]

And professor is asking why didn't they register at the time they were told to do so? How are we supposed to determine those that don't or didn't qualify then?

[@ismamuwonge7816]

@user-xw2k why were they put in one basket?

[@abrahamlorot7090]

@@swabsento he dinied that he is not a Bamfumbira, calling him Bamfumbira is synonymous to calling a Tutsi a Hutu., Jaribu umwiite Mtutsi Mhutu ukutane na Yale yaliyomkuta Burukenge katika msafara wa Mamba

[@bcbcLuvantima1111]

That is a big lie,Mpororo Kigezi and kisoro never been part of Rwanda never.

[@bwanikaddunguumar7536]

So Gashumba should understand Professor very well, if you don't want to be called a Munyarwanda automatically you are a Mufumbira period. Thnx Prof. Kanyeihamba Sir 🙏🏽 For God And My Country Uganda 🇺🇬

[@blessedgirl1428]

But Rwanda is your connection and your link Gashumba please stop confussing yourself. But you are Rwandi inside Uganda

[@zebulonrakolote6544]

He is not fro Rwanda

[@babikajoyce1751]

Thank you very much PROFESSOR to open Mr Gashumb's eyes and brain

[@twahirwamelda7802]

Ego gitare cyamahanga, ndumiwe

[@niyonsabadavis3727]

@@twahirwamelda7802 Gashumba ajaturisa ngwee because he doesn't understand these things.

[@muvunyialphonse7024]

Kanyeihamba is NOT the right person to do this debate fairy. He is a Mukiga of the Hutu origin (have roots with the Rwandan Hutus). Gashumba is a Tutsi (have roots with Rwandan Tutsis). So it is no wonder for him to side with the HUTUS!!!

[@nuwabinedenis6820]

And nowander, Gashumba a tutsi, is confused by not wanting being called munyarwanda in Uganda! So, if he feells not happy called a munyarwanda in Uganda, he let him eigher go to Rwanda or be called a mufumbira!

[@nkubitodan1863]

No wonder Prof argues with a lot of anger and rage

[@bwanikaddunguumar7536]

I thank and salute you so much Prof. Kanyeihamba 🙏🏽😊 For God And My Country Uganda 🇺🇬

[@meddymugalu6274]

Uganda should be ruled and governed by native groups only. Refugees like the gashumba type are free to be citizens not engage in political activities. I remember Indians in Uganda once requested to be recognized as a tribe in Uganda. What are insult to the Ugandan people? No Ugandan would dare say that rubbish in India. That’s a death wish. Why our politicians put up with that rubbish wasting our time and resources is a shame and insult to Ugandans?

[@dornamatovu588]

Banyarwanda and bavandimwe have no place in Uganda or Buganda they will go back to their country like it or not Ugandans have had enough of your impunity

[@Kony.2]

As if you and your other idiotic gandas can do anything to force people who are legally Ugandans out of their country. Is kisoro and kigezi in Rwanda? You silly gandas need to get an education

[@zebulonrakolote6544]

Their ancestors were born in Bufumbira. Why must they leave their birthplace and go to a foreign country called Rwanda?

[@Dredward-id9gf]

Don't you not suppose te.in.uganfads

[@nassergabriel4778]

All Bantus in all of East Africa including Uganda are invaders that came through the Bantu migration, the natives of East Africa are the Eastern and Southern Cushites, Nilotes, and the pygme people.

[@mananoroggers7369]

Gashumba z right

[@albertbwambale1909]

These are Ugandans. Put an end to discrimination.

[@biggmannoman9025]

The bible says that if you to a certain tribe, be like them so that you can survive but you bayarwanda are just arrogant yet you have a country where you are coming from

[@twagirayezuherbert2228]

Thanks for this.From the onset, this shows there has been division between people with Rwandan origin.

[@mande-ma]

Banyarwanda you have done wrong things to the region and mostly in Uganda........... I assure you that you will NEVER be Ugandans. You will always be called Banyarwanda. PERIOD!!!!

[@wilberforcekirwana1118]

As colonialists were drawing boarders part of Buganda was cut off to Tanzanian, those baganda have never been vocal to Tanzania yet they have a string sprit of belonging this side.

[@mugabeinnocent3888]

No No we can't be Bafumbira,professor No,yet we don't talk the same,if you say iam Mufumbira then tests in Rufumbira,but why??even though they are refusing but Gashumba your awise Man,what your saying is true,people should look for our grand grandchildren.

[@mageziwilson1580]

To Gashumba. Why doesn't he want to be called a Mufumbira when both the Tutsi and Hutu were called bafumbira at the time of the Constitution?

[@user-vc9vi1bv1d]

Gashumba defies the laws of Kanyeihamba without common sense

[@mugarurajosephkatuufu1538]

Can't we do a way with Tribes and become simply Ugandans?????? These things I have not heard them in Europe, China and Turkey.

[@moreenskincare1]

The problem is the what all Ugandans are going through we have been oppressed, killed, denied everything, we also need work just like your grandparents, we need education, we need health system that work, need equal opportunities, how can we suffer on our own country to the point of becoming servants of the people who came to look for green pastures Those people are so arrogant no matter what they say they have to stop mistreating indigenous Ugandans

[@ismamuwonge7816]

@naturalhandcraftedskinca The problem you have is that you think people who have moved from one places to another ( immigrants) shouldn’t be successful than the people who are born in that area. Success doesn’t know tribe,religion,colour or sexuality. Do you think it’s birth right to employee immigrant on your farm because your father had them working his farm?

[@twesigyeedgar8246]

It has never been like this before banyarwanda has been for long even before indipence in kingdoms of ankole, bunyoro and Buganda but the hate speech had been brought about the behaviour of impunity , oppression and suppression and even being materialistic which is by land grabbing and segregation only way is behaviour change.

[@kigozissempala8525]

Exactly thats what jakana Naduli tells them, to change there behaviors. No one is against the, we are against there imoral behaviors, arrogance, and highest level of impunity.....But the fact remains they never be indigenous ugandans 😳

[@Mo77217]

I hate your Bantu supremacist ideology listen stop hating my Nilo Cushitic brothers and sisters as I love my Bantu brothers and sisters 💯🤝🫡☝️

[@mujunironald220]

Banyarwanda in Uganda are Ugandans whilst Banyarwanda in Rwanda are Rwandese as Kinyarwanda speakers in Congo are Congolese. Therefore being a Munyarwanda is that of ethnicity and not nationality. For instance all cross-border tribes can be found in different countries like the Luos but they can't lose who they're. Eastern Ugandans have their relatives in Kenya but you will never hear this debate about them.

[@GahLasi-rc5ey]

Indeed they dont know that such debates make them more dislikable.Because they seem entitled.

[@royaldiadem4336]

I think the worst decision was adding them to EAC since they seem to be troublesome everywhere they go.

[@kiiza2886]

and tell me what will be there tribe please. why cut off there identity. tell me any tribe called Ugandan. so every will keep there names like Baganda but who are in Uganda but you mean banyarwanda should be called Ugandan tribe.

[@royaldiadem4336]

@kiiza2886 My Dear these people should read their Bible well and correct this. We shouldn't even be arguing over this. I wonder why they are determined to be who they are not yet we are just neighbours. Uganda will not inherit the sins not committed by her and will not be judged for another's Sins in the Mighty name of Jesus Christ. Amen

[@irenentende6244]

These tusi don't know where they belong.They are very very confused

[@zebulonrakolote6544]

The Tutsi in Uganda belong to Uganda The Maasai of Kenya belong to Kenya The Indians of Tanzania belong to Tanzania

[@nassergabriel4778]

They aren't confused, you just dont get it. Hima, Tutsi, Banyamulenge, Ganwa, the sons of daughters of the Pastoralist Southern Cushitics are controlling the entire Great Lakes. As Kenyan and Ethiopians we are very proud of how they are dominating you people

[@grazianalu76]

I wish there were more people like the Prof who can challenge Gashumba and let him know that there’s no tribe bavandibwe in Uganda and we should not allow it in our constitution. I don’t like the way Gashumba is pushing it by force as if Ugandan tribes could do that in Rwanda. On the other hand the Prof is also one of the problems of this whole thing by including banyarwanda in the Ugandan constitution.

[@samskironde5913]

Internationally, migrants who change their original citizenship to the new acquired nationality, must get a new identity in relationship to the new acquired nationality: ie If you're a Ugandan refugee in the USA, in the state of California, automatically you a Californian. Why people like Gashumba, whose parents migrated to Uganda in 1922 and settled in Masala ever since, and some adopted BAGANDA names and Clans. Why people like Gashumba don't adopt the same strategy like their colleagues originated from Rwanda who became true Ugandans by accepting their new acquired status?

[@ismamuwonge7816]

@@samskironde5913 why would one be forced to change his/ her identity like you suggest? Am told that Ugandan tribes form tribe groups to teach their children the history of their culture and tribe leaders visit them why can’t Tribes from Rwanda can’t do the same?

[@user-hm7xs6vx2i]

Banyarwanda is a name that is given to people who speak the language called "Runyarwanda/Kinyarwanda". These people can be found in areas cut off by colonial boarders, and others in Rwanda as a territory.

[@kabungaali6322]

Indeed God keep our professor the man as a lot of brain

[@kampire64]

Point of correction, Banyarwanda in Kisoro or elsewhere did not necessarily migrate...they were cut off from Rwanda during the partitioning. There were pockets of Banyarwanda in Ankole, Buganda, Teso, etc that lived there long before even the partitioning, let alone independence. Us Africans, here we are arguing over petty issues like tribe. Why cant we simply live in harmony? We immigrate to other countries and expect equal treatment. In our countries, we mistreat people based on tribes. We have a long way to go!

[@morganbabu3105]

Was there a country called Rwanda before scramble and partition of Africa!??

[@kampire64]

@@morganbabu3105 there was a Kingdom called Rwanda. It once extended to Masaka in Buganda.

[@morganbabu3105]

@@kampire64 Thats a lie. You wanna claim masaka the way you are claiming congo. Why don't we have kinyarwanda speaking people in masaka. You mean after drawing borders by colonialists, the banyarwanda were chased out of masaka!? Stop taking drugs

[@GahLasi-rc5ey]

Not to Masaka,that was Bunyoro Kitara kingdom,it was the biggest.Then there was Karagwe of Tanzania that could have been the one which included parts of now Masaka

[@RupinyAlex]

Not teso. That's a lie we aren't fools. Bayarwanda were never in Teso or northern only Bahima. Please!

[@swabsento]

If you're not comfortable to be called bafumbira then be called banyarwanda or return where you're comfortable

[@julietL2510]

Shame on you GASHUMBA.! That tribe will never be in the constitution of Uganda. Your time will come.We Ugandans have suffered enough. Look what JAKANA NADULI is going through.?

[@kigozissempala8525]

Rwanda is not a tribe, then I wounder how did it come to include another nation in the constitution. Was it discussed in the parliament or it was Personally put there by M7🤷🤷

[@julietL2510]

@@kigozissempala8525 ☹️☹️ by M7

[@mulindwamuhamudu1029]

Let them go back to there home home

[@Kony.2]

Idiot! Is kabale and kisoro in Rwanda? You Stupid gandas need to get an education

[@Kony.2]

@@xyz835 surely it can be kisoro or kabale which the judge already said IS THEIR HOME. but the uneducated *#@$ apparently thinks their home is in Rwanda. 2. No one in uganda has propagated tribalism as the ganda ppl. It's always been them having issues with ppl from northern, Eastern and West uganda. So how can it be a two way street when it's always one side creating the issues. You know the not so flattering name calling they use. Note: kla is not and will never be part of the ganda chiefdom ever since the 1900 agreement

[@ug_star]

@@Kony.2ddayo ewammwe

[@Kony.2]

@Mazima TV imagine trying to explain geography to an illiterate like you 😆 🤣 😂. Your parents should have invested in getting you some quality education instead of that dump you thought was a school and now you either ride a motorcycle taxi or work as a guard in Saudi Arabia 😆 🤣 😂 Obote was right to say a good ganda is a dead one lol

[@meddymugalu6274]

Refugees in Uganda regardless if you’re nationalized citizen of Uganda. They should not be allowed to engage in any political activities. If we don’t learn from what Museveni and his family have done to us for the last three decades. What do you think these other refugees having children in Uganda will do to us? Worse than Museveni’s family and I don’t think we will ever recover from that.

[@zebulonrakolote6544]

So u believe a tribe that were cut off by a newly-drawn boundary must not participate in politics of the country they find themselves in

[@kxyz2020]

​@@zebulonrakolote6544 Why are people pretending not to understand the Proffessor? He said if your tribe was divided by the imaginary boarders and u find yourselves in the side of uganda as a result of the created boarders, then you are not a Refugee to that area. And for the case of Banyaruanda, you must be a Mufumbira as they had requested.(The right to choose a comfortable name applies to citizens only) But if u are far from the ugandan boarder with Rwanda, like Gashumba coming from masaka or Luwero, and you have no connection to Bafumbira (internal migration from bufumbira to your new location) , then you are automatically a refugee in that area.

[@benardcarson4689]

Even if you change your name but still behave the same way, there will be „hate speech“ against Bavandimwe! It’s all about behavior. No one had a problem with your kind until some of you started behaving badly and this has already created a bad image for your off-springs. And if the Bafumbila or Banyamulenge start to behave badly people would start to dig into their history. Of course we all know that Bafumbila and Banyamulenge are Banyarwanda but people look over that fact because they haven’t started behaving badly as a group. You all know why fingers are being pointed at you.

[@didpoetry]

Rwandans in Uganda are not all migrated there, happened when there's parties of Rwanda added to Uganda during colonial divisions

[@babikajoyce1751]

What we don't want is the current situation of bringing thousands of new RWANDIS in UGANDA and are given our own land.

[@ismamuwonge7816]

@babikajoyce1751 it’s so sad that you think that way. People moves from one place to another and acquire properties like other people. Why do Baganda sell their land?

[@muanamuluba6684]

Why are they leaving Rwanda and moving to Uganda when their country, Rwanda, is developing? They have a political agenda.

[@ismamuwonge7816]

@@muanamuluba6684 People move places for different reasons peace and freedom is more important than development

[@johnsensserwadda9699]

​@@ismamuwonge7816Are yu implying that all those that have lost their land in Buganda have just sold it.????Haven't yu seen or heard of people being forcefully evicted by those in power???I think yo being sadistic by commenting this way.

[@ismamuwonge7816]

@@johnsensserwadda9699 I don’t know where you get the idea of me supporting chasing people from their land!! Ssebo Sserwadda read my comment again. My point was about people moving from one place to another. You talked about people in power taking people’s land by force it’s true it’s happening but it’s not only Banyarwada chasing people on land but also Baganda are doing the same thing. Haven’t you heard about it? Is it ok if fellow Baganda are doing it on their own? Are following what is going at mengo regarding land issues? Haven’t you heard of family members selling land again the will of other family members. Land ownership is a problem in Uganda which should be handled according to the law governing it not because of status in society or how rich the person is.

[@florencemusaasizi5425]

Ugandan wake up we need Federal system is solution for all these. Ebintu bya basajja banno byonna bipangile.

[@kizitosulah9202]

QN? Mr gashumba will bavandimwe be a component/ group of 2 rwandan tribes which r already here in uganda,huntu n tusi or it's only for tusi?

[@morganbabu3105]

According to gashumba banyarwanda are only Tutsi. Ev n their gathering in Uganda is usually about tutsi not hutu. U wonder why

[@GahLasi-rc5ey]

Good question

[@matsikomoses]

But they prof( Kanyeihamba) already told you all Bahutu decided to change the name to Bafumbira and the Batutsi remained Banyarwanda in the constitution.

[@bobafraka1997]

Hahaha u r paid to act a fool but not ugandans there is no such thing like Bayarwanda tribe.... In Rwanda there are 3 tribes.

[@ananmutabazi7438]

Bafumbira also had both hutu and Tutsi

[@preamppreamp8609]

If they changed the Uganda's constitution and added in it JIKWATEKO and they did it, then they should also change the one of the Banyarwanda in Uganda!

[@babikajoyce1751]

I am saying it again, TEMUTUTIRA PROFESSOR

[@emmanuelmwebe4611]

Mutowange gashumba totema muti kwoyimilide ssebo ekintu kyogezako okutembeta kyikuyinze obunene kiliza ngabwakyawandikibwa amazima galibafula owedembe tosobola kulwana nabitonde byakatonda lokoka ode eri katonda amagezi nkuwade gabwerere Zabbuli 35 lwana nabo abalwanagana nange ate era baswazibwenge

[@mukashemawinnie6896]

True ... I really support this fact. They should change to another term like " bavandimwe"

[@swabsento]

Why do they change nationality?

[@Dodoviko]

Gashumba, grow up! Oli mufumbira!! Oba munyarwanda.

[@babikajoyce1751]

Gashumba you are bringing that but know that thats the way they/ you want to come through to capture/colonise UGANDA mulugezigezi while you have blindfolded the country men

[@Nziza5]

This journalist should carry out some research. Hutu, tutsi and twas are not tribes they were simply social classes likend to one's occupation. Tutsi means cattle keepers, bahutu farmers and batwa hunters. You should know that one could upgrade from a mutwa to a hutu and ultimately to a tutsi due to change of occupation. Even in 1933 when the Germans were introducing national IDs in Rwanda wich made those social classes tribes they depended on the number of cows one had. Anyone with more than 10 cows was refered to as tutsi, and those who had less than 10 cows were considered hutus. That's why the same biological brothers ended up in different so called tribes. Have you ever seen a tribe without a distinct language and culture?

[@benardcarson4689]

Thanks for this perspective, very few people have ever thought about it this way

[@Mzeearts]

@@benardcarson4689 @nziza5 are you trying to say the Batwa did not have their distinct language? Also the features are distinct Twas and majority of Hutus have bantu like features and tutsis cushite features. It's been documented that the nomadic nature of tutsi means they were adapting the languages of the locations they found in the areas they relocated to.

[@Mzeearts]

are you trying to say the Batwa did not have their distinct language? Also the features are distinct Twas and majority of Hutus have bantu like features and tutsis cushite features. It's been documented that the nomadic nature of tutsi means they were adapting the languages of the locations they found in the areas they relocated to.

[@Nziza5]

@@Mzeearts which language is that? Can you speak it for me? When you talk about the features, those depend on diet and the type of work one does. How do you expect a farmer to look like a pastorist who live on milk. How come that all those 3 groups fall in the same clans with the same ancestors? I have told you that we have some biological brothers who fall in those different groups you call tribes. How can you explain that? Even I myself, when you compare me with my siblings you may put us in different groups due to our features which are totally different.

[@Nziza5]

@@Mzeearts Do you believe that if you go to USA, the children you will produce from there, if they grow from there they will have an American height? If you are doubting get 2 babies from the same parents and feed them from different diet. One from fresh milk, bongo and prevent him from performing heavy tasks, and another one feed him on posho and encourage him to perform heavy tasks and carry heavy things then you will tell me if the 2 kids will have the same features.

[@christinelubega6122]

Father Lord save us from this wave

[@michaelkateregga5819]

I like the reasoning of the professor and if Banyarwanda want to be Ugandan citizens they should assimilate into Ugandan tribes but not the so called Bavandimwe

[@Nziza5]

Have you ever seen a tribe being assimilated to another one? If you don't want them to be identified by their own tribe then return them to Rwanda together with their land which was annexed to Uganda by the colonialists.

[@wnalikka]

You know Obote always wondered why Museveni always fought his wars in Uganda. Ugandans knew nothing about Rwanda internal conflicts until it has now reached Uganda. This interview here represents it well. Two sides Hutu and Tutsi locked in seemingly scary eternal conflict ! Notice how Gashumba talks down at the Prof and his forceful and heated responses.

[@wnalikka]

@@Nziza5 That's ridiculous. Should Uganda take back Kisumu and Kagera ? How do you expect Ankole to accept that in a say referendum? Do you think the Bairu and Kiga would love that ? You realise you sound like a war monger ? All the Prof suggested is for the fancy "bavandimwe" to join the Bafumbira because they're the very same people. Bafumbira are Rwandese and many Tustsis by stork ! Why must you insist on having it in a forcefully twisted way and at the expense of others?!

[@wnalikka]

@@Nziza5 those were King Kigeli's borders. The Belgians put Kigeli's monarch to a referendum and it was rejected by the Rwandese. The Kabaka tried to restore him but he could only do so much as he had his own arguements with Obote.

[@GahLasi-rc5ey]

Yes Baganda assimilate.That is why they give names and clans to foreigners who come and may be interested.But that may not take away the origin of the foreigner.

[@67Z79]

It would be in your best interest to address the killings of Ugandans by the a group of Tutsis who claim that they're doing that for the entire tribe

[@sustainabledevelopment4653]

I am greatful to have served with prof.kanyehamba? As student leader at KIU??

[@peacesylivia7603]

a munyarwanda who is staying in Uganda can't get passport of Rwanda...so Mr Frank Gashuba just cool down we all batstsi but we became Bafumbira

[@Brave15157]

Please in munyarwanda here in rwanda so if you born in Rwanda your Rwandan brother gashumba

[@nelsontabu6052]

This issue can be subjected to a referendum and Ugandans determine whether they need new tribes .

[@ismamuwonge7816]

I agree with Gashumba that those who wish to be known as Banyarwanda should be known by that and those who wish to be known by Bavandimwe be known by that. If my parents were born from Bulemezi and I was born in Kyadondo I can't be forced to belong to Bulrmenzi.

[@Rich213]

Your trying to hide your criminal background, no one has discriminated you

[@christinelubega6122]

Gashumba had baseless claims

[@Rich213]

We all know Gashumba’s criminal background involving drug trafficking and obtaining man by false pretense from foreigners, he was working with Kale and kawesi, they have tortured people endlessly, now he is seeking cover from the government pretending to be a victim of discrimination, he must pay for his crimes

[@felicienharerimana1666]

I agree with what this young man is saying. They don't want to be discriminated. But I have another problem I want you to help me solve: I am a burundian living in burundi. But my clan is also called banyarwanda. So, what should I do? Choose another clan name?

[@apollotumwebaze6471]

Gashumba shd not argue with Kanyeihamba but ask to be taught! Gashumba argues out of ignorance and common analysis.

[@robertmusinguzi9030]

Gashumba is contradicting himself because you can't be a munyarwanda and Ugandan and when you say you're a muvandimee, it will also create two tribes in Uganda who comes from the same family which is Rwanda

[@rugemakayumba5201]

I agree with Professor Justice Kanyihamba

[@nankyaoliver2619]

Wabula professor oli mugezi banange

[@babikajoyce1751]

Prof. is very correct, keep on remembering Mr. MAJORO's death plus all the other wars

[@user-vu6hx2om6t]

The Banyarwanda don't want to be called Bafumbira because Bafumbira are related to Hutus

[@maysanyu7860]

Still the question is Bavandimwe from where. From which region of Uganda. We should know where we belong.

[@zebulonrakolote6544]

From Bufumbira

[@preamppreamp8609]

I wish Professor new how that name of Banyarwanda sounds like a devil inside the internal affairs offices . We need to change it completely

[@wnalikka]

How these 2 end up on the same panel with a moderator who has a huge task at hand should be strange to many Ugandans. but there's a lot to learn. Today as i find out, the esteemed Proff Kanyeihamba is of Hutu origins existing in Tutsi run establishment. As Tutsi power and money grows I'm not sure if all will be alright.

[@chriskaijja1491]

The reason M7 never agree with Kanyeihamba on many times

[@sundaydavid2334]

I'm thankfully for all of you for your contributions for the better Ugandans Mr Gashumba you can change a name as you call it rebrand but u can't change your origin, now you are trying to bring a name in the constitution not a tribe simply Abavandimwe will never be a tribe instead will still be a name and then Banyarwanda is original name for all Rwandans tribes let it be Tutsis ,Hutus , and twas let us find the solution for the passport buy instituting the committee that can discuss this matter with immigration and local government why Banyarwanda tribe do not have access or rights to have passports?otherwise you are confusing people. Note ! I strongly appreciate for your different contributions to different issues for the people of Uganda and finally many thanks go to Professor Kanyihamba with his friends for their contributions towards constitutional drafting. Mr David Sunday from United States of America.

[@babikajoyce1751]

Gashumba you are very very correct Rwanda belongs to Rwandis therefore if you are already in Uganda be quite and forget like ISREARIA who are also all over the world but if you feel you are tied to be is Uganda please, please go back to RWANDA don't cause our mets we have been with for so long -----------------

[@querrina4698]

Abakiga bona bona bakaruga Rwanda byumba hamwe na Ruhegyere.

[@virgilwilson7519]

Gashumba is too dense to understand what Prof Kanyeihamba is explaining to him. It a mistake to let a well learned man, Prof Kanyeihamba even to talk to Gashumba

[@Kalani-he3no]

Thank you mr gasumba. Urakoze cyane mwene maama

[@judeselekta]

Professor is right but problem is between two tribes the tusi and hutuz they don't associate with tusi for their own reasons. Let them come together and forget all their misunderstandings which originally is from Rwanda.

[@ikome2129]

Banyamulenge used to be called naturally Banyarwanda. Insecurities caused them to invent name Banyamulenge

[@matsikomoses]

Wow ❤

[@ismamuwonge7816]

What is wrong with Ugandan Professors? Imagine prof Kanyehamba who was even a chief justice can't listen to another person? Shame to this old man.

[@matsikomoses]

But can't you see that he's reasoning like an old person now.?. The mistake was done by these people who gave him the platform and ended up posting it

[@ismamuwonge7816]

@@matsikomoses Ssebo this man is educated he shouldn’t be reasoning like an illiterate

[@nkubitodan1863]

Infact the Old man shouts like a market vender! U wonder if he really is a Professor

[@najjee2]

Well presented, but I know the problem is the likes of Prof.Kanyeihamba, who were part of the constitution that allowed such to be included in a sovereign state constitution They never really did ask..were the foreigners from Rwanda the only immigrants to Uganda??why include them,? This paves way for other foreigners to ask the same. it not only made way for future controversy which we are in right now, but also is even causing banyarwanda no matter how modest they may who are in Uganda to be on the firing squad.This if not handled well will cause genocide take not that they are still the minority in Uganda no matter how numbers are manipulated.The older generation of elites was soo.hypocritical and never bothered to think ahead.now look where we are at.

[@kipapula6838]

The firing will backfire my dear. Remember that almost every munyarwanda has a distant family in Rwanda and some Congo vice versa, if anything ever happens, a wave would come through and sweep through like those who went back to recapture Rwanda and swept through Congo. You will not intimidate anyone.

[@KahayaDansebasore]

They became Ugandans even before Prof was born just read about the first Ugandas population census.

[@babikajoyce1751]

Gashumba abanyarwanda of Uganda are known but the oncoming are problem

[@preamppreamp8609]

This is why I will never go for voting again anymore. 😏😏😏😏I will always remain at my home. Because we are suffering for nothing 😏😏

[@preamppreamp8609]

Frank Gashumba is very right only that Kanyehamba don't want to listen to him

[@Ethan00477]

The wahangaza, did come from Rwanda to settle in Tanzania, but migrated from Burundi to settle in Tanzania in the areas of Ngala, Bukoba, etc. They didnt rebrand. They were called after their clans in Burundi.

[@rugemanganjiderick5264]

I strongly agree with professor

[@babikajoyce1751]

I think Nyarwanda were not in the constitution but were fixed in when, when ----------------------

[@zebulonrakolote6544]

Some were in Bufumbira before the Constitution was drawn

[@MYN2000]

How do you bring gashumba to deliberate with professor Kanyeihamba?

[@kizitosulah9202]

Mr gashumba did u consult lawyers B4 u came up this name? It's good u come up with a name of any place,mountain,swap anywhere bavandimwe can be found in Uganda than a word from space, i think it's logic

[@hn53123]

Gashumba, the problem is common sense is not common that kivandimwe name will not exist in uganda. ( gasiya)

[@anthonybukenya6189]

Arrongance and ingnorance and hate are the things that cloud your judgement.

[@robertmusinguzi9030]

Mr presenter you miss understand Mr kanyeihamba because he has explained well that the rwandies who never wanted to be called bagumbira remained as rwandies, which means they denied to be Ugandans and those who accepted to be Ugandans, they were given a name which is bafumbira so if you don't want to be called bafumbira you're not Ugandan but a rwandies who stay in Uganda

[@bashirgaliwango2215]

Gashumba no tribe called Bavandimwe in Uganda that's why you won't qualify to be a Ugandan and so Tutsi's not in Uganda

[@mukiibilydia4278]

MR GASHUMA I REMIND YOU WHEN OBOTE CAME A SECOND TIME HE CHASED ALL NUBIANS UNTILL WHEN THEY SELECTED THEM SELVES THOSE BELONGS TO UGANDA AND THOSE WHO WAS BEHAVING BADLY WHO HATE WHO HOW DID YOUR FATHERS STAYED YOU THE FULLS THOUGHT TO USE M7 BECAUSE OF KAGAMES RELATIONSHIP FORGET YOU CANT SHUT UP UGANDANS AND TURN THEM TO WHERE YOU WANT SSEBO WUMULA BULI OMU YEMANYI OKAY

[@thachronixz3993]

I think what the Prof is saying in a nutshell is that..if the Baryarwanda don't what to be referred as such..They should come up with a name that resonates with Uganda or a region of Uganda...hence the insistence to prefer to them as Bafumbira, the Gashumba and his tribesmen should come up with a name that's synonymous with Uganda as a country

[@Mzeearts]

That won't cut it..we can't be creating new names in constitution at a whim. The tribes in there have culture and language and a long history. what use is it to make up a group in constitution and pretend its a tribe? Do you foresee other ugandans being comfortable with this or do you sense their resistance and possibly bigger problems ahead?

[@sagan5051]

Exactly because Some Banyrwanda decided to become bafumbira and others insisted to Stay Banyarwanda which is recognized as a sovereign state, hence not completely Ugandan citizens,unless they chose to be bafumbira or intergrate with in other tribes or regions of Uganda 😅

[@Mzeearts]

@@sagan5051 But banyarwanda should not be considered native ugandans in my opinion.Yes they are citizens of uganda but not native and hence the constitution should be able to differentiate that. I'm a european citizen of uganda descent, and so should my future children also be written within the constitution i reside in? ofcourse not. Yes i'm recognised as a citizen of the state i'm in but by no way have claim to indigeneity/nativity.

[@katetedavid2075]

@@Mzeearts Then you must understand that Kisoro and kigezi were added to Uganda and these banyarwanda are natives!

[@Mzeearts]

@@katetedavid2075 the natives there are considered bafumbira or bakiga or batwa. when you have other tribes like luo or basamya and others on borders of kenya and tanzania, do you see them asserting they are placed in the constitution? yes they are recognised citizens just like rwandese in uganda, but its not viable to go putting banyarwanda in uganda's constitution just because the group in power just wills it, but i bet you will differ.

[@mukiibilydia4278]

WHAT ABOUT KENYA ,TANZANIA, WHY UGANDA I LIVED IN KENYA FOR 15 YEARS NOT EVEN GRANTED AN ID NOT EVEN APERMANATE JOB CUSSING TO BE A UGANDA THEY WERE DEPORTING UGANDAND ALLWASY EVEN BY NOW WHY GASHUMBA SHOULD ASK OUR PASSPORTS TO RWANDIES EASY LIKE THAT

[@babikajoyce1751]

HALLELUJAH PROFESSOR

[@mukiibipeteratl]

Changing a name 4rm banyaranda to bavandimwe won’t solve anything. I’m a munyarwanda but i posses a baganda name but still some pipo call me a munyarwanda and murundi simply bcoz of my appearance and I’m proud of it.

[@JK-jb7ys]

They've said Banyarwanda in Congo are called Banyamulenge, the ones in Tz are called Bahangaza but in Ug, they want 3 names. Bavandimwe, Banyarwanda, Bafumbira.... oba they choose one name?

[@pearlaliza5342]

There are many more Banyarwanda in Congo who are not Banyamulenge.

[@babikajoyce1751]

Gashumba you are confusing things, UGANDA ARE UGANDANS so please take it whether you are tuso/hutu but they came from Rwanda as bagishu, basonga, banyoro, bacholi are from Uganda

[@josephkwizera7770]

Prof. you're wrong a friend was denied her passport cause she didn't know anything about Kisoro yet she was born in Uganda 57yrs ago

[@francisruzindana1771]

Hey guyz, for me am a munyarwanda and proud of, so both of you don't confuse people about tribalism and differences in Rwanda, we are all Rwandans, but according to your understanding Gashumba is totally confused and politically poor, i would advise Gashumba whatever you are trying to forge around there leave alone Rwanda as a sovereign country plz. But if you believe you are a munyarwanda come for Rwanda passport and even ID, why do you force to be called a Ugandan???? Plz stop it and don't continue to ashame Rwandans.

[@mulindwamuhamudu1029]

Do they go with their birthday certificate

[@edwardkizza267]

I don't even where Rwanda is even, we are living in confusion. Prof Dr Edward K Kizza MD

[@godslove7818]

Gasumbau should think of the past before he behaves in the way is doing now. M7 is confusing him.

[@dornamatovu588]

Wama profesdor mubulire He is a munyarwanda and it is not a tribe in Uganda

[@princesdekoush8923]

There is a very simple solution to this issue. Delete tribes in official documents. People should learn from 1994 genocide. Why do you want to keep tribes in official documents? Is being a Ugandan not enough? Another solution is to use electronic delivery of official documents like in Rwanda so that no middle man will harass anybody looking for documents. It is called eGovernment and this can also reduce corruption and bureaucracy. Both solutions can be applied.

[@mubbaleedward3603]

They were chased from Tanzania because of such familiarity

[@nkubitodan1863]

Have never seen this level of ignorance! Speak when you have information!