Baptism for the Dead | Now You Know

[@FifalianaFR]

The fact that they didn't desable the comments is very brave 😯

[@RobbieIsbell]

It gives us a chance to help others to understand more about what is spoken on the video.

[@kimfawcett1725]

True. It shows their not against free speech...

[@00Fisher00]

@@korvaamiko66 Freedom of speech isn't the concern here. Of course the Church supports not only the Constitution of the United States but also the principle of agency, which is very much related to liberty. However, having the legal right to express oneself doesn't mean that we can do so everywhere. This is a moderated comments section, so some comments that are particularly offensive will not be approved. People who want to make those kinds of comments are still free to do so, but they will have to find some other forum. It's similar to us having our own private property and dictating who is welcome there.

[@grayman7208]

not really. when you speak the truth, you have no fear.

[@SaOuGenLa]

Or stupid, guess the power of discernment isn't working

[@albertcastaneda262]

Baptism is for those who heard and believed Gospel and have repented

[@daveyork0]

and a VOLUNTARY act done PUBLICLY as declaration of one's membership of the Christian community

[@00Fisher00]

@@daveyork0 Or performed by proxy and voluntarily accepted or rejected by the dead, who can no longer receive the ordinance with their own bodies

[@JeffSmith03]

Note that those who died without the gospel of Jesus Christ can be taught in the spirit world and that is why they can accept the mortal baptism, by proxy

[@blessedbeford6130]

Jeff Smith and what if they are from another Christain denomination and already baptised? I’m a Roman Catholic and I wouldn’t appreciated being baptised after im deceased. Once Baptised it is final and cannot be repeated, God is God of the living not God of the dead.

[@positivityme143]

@@blessedbeford6130 so you think there are more Gods than God?

[@smerica6840]

God loves all of his children, he provides an opportunity for all his children to obtain salvation.

[@deesymons8545]

Jesus Christ is the only answer and the only way of salvation

[@robertmelcher904]

J 1luv4God actually baptism is a REQUIREMENT for salvation [ Mark 16:16 ] do you think that a loving God gives the opportunity to be saved, ONLY to those who have the good fortune to be born in Christian nations? If your parents were born and died in a nation, where preaching the gospel of Christ is forbidden , would you feel that it's fair for your parents to spend eternity in Hell, because they never had the opportunity to hear and either accept or reject the gospell of Christ? Everyone please GOOGLE Why Do We Baptize For The Dead? LDS.org

[@1exlds90]

Are you really questioning his love . total false and manipulation

[@heathsnow731]

@@robertmelcher904 What about the thief on the cross? He mocked Jesus and then rebuked. He wasn't baptized................

[@00Fisher00]

What a wonderful comment, and what strange misunderstanding in some of the replies. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints accept Jesus Christ as our savior--the only way to salvation. Christ himself taught of the necessity of baptism during His mortal ministry as described in the Bible. Through baptism we accept Christ as our savior and covenant with God to follow Christ as His disciples. We perform baptisms by proxy for the dead so that they have the opportunity to do the same.

[@javawillyj.9707]

Those who doesn't understand this doctrine completely we ask you to "ask" God the very Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ if these things are not true having a real intent and you will receive answer by the power of the Holy Ghost. James 1:5-6

[@tacfgh]

Salvation is individual, only that who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved, "So then one of us shall give account of himself to God".

[@00Fisher00]

Yes! And yet we have many opportunities to serve God by serving each other.

[@FormerMPSGT]

Jay Britton Fisher not Biblical

[@00Fisher00]

@@FormerMPSGT Your comment is unfortunately short, so I don't know what your concern is.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@paul11magdy]

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

[@414MrMilwaukee]

Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment

[@RobbieIsbell]

It's going to be more than a thousand years before they face final judgement after our death. So for those who have passed away and never had the chance to hear the truth, will have the chance to hear the truth. All men and women will have the chance to hear the truth and free agency is given upon them to choose to either accept the Savior or to reject the Savior. Therefore, at the final judgement, one will stand before God and accept the judgement as is passed on to the one, because He or She had heard the truth and will decided for themselves.

[@00Fisher00]

@@korvaamiko66 Because they are present to make the choice for themselves and express that choice to the authorized servants of God. Frankly, it's also a lot of work, and there would be no reason to do so if we know that they do not desire it. We cannot know that when they cannot communicate with us, but the living can tell us.

[@dannyjuejr.7195]

Meaning that the resurrection is not biblical?

[@dannyjuejr.7195]

This is what Jesus Christ Said in John 5 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. 31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

[@sharonflay1593]

@@RobbieIsbell even the ones that have passed away before known our heavenly father will be taught the truth 💯

[@KarlaHafdahl]

I'm evangelical and I have never heard of this until yesterday when a Mormon friend called me and told me he was excited to be named a person who can baptize the dead. I nearly fell over in a faint. I do not believe in this practice at all. God give us choices when we're alive, and I believe that before people die, they are ALL given the right to chose to be baptized or not.

[@monocuco818]

Billions of people on this earth have never heard of Chirst, or had the opportunity to be baptized, yet they may be saved by Christ if they learn of the gospel and accept it in the next life.

[@delugepeter6847]

I'm not Mormon but this was practiced ( mentioned) in the new testament.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@nathanbanks2935]

The New Testament indicates that baptisms for the dead were done during the time of the Apostle Paul (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). This ordinance was restored with the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

[@nathanbanks2935]

Because He is a loving God, the Lord does not damn those people who, through no fault of their own, never had the opportunity for baptism. He has therefore authorized baptisms to be performed by proxy for them.

[@angelsalvador6259]

Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 1 Cor. 15:29

[@BrendonKing]

Angel Salvador put that verse into its proper context, and it paints a whole different story.

[@captianerizekiii8765]

Sure, Paul only mentions the Corinthian practice in passing whilst arguing for the reality of the resurrection, but in a letter chock-full of condemnations of their practices, you could argue it comes off as an affirmation.

[@ashishstanley]

Viewing the words 'they' and 'we' are critical in this context. In all of Paul's letters, he used 'we' for Christ following Christians and 'they' for other churches and unbelievers. He's clearly not referring to baptism as a critical life saving act for human souls. He does not tell them to practice it!!

[@monocuco818]

@@binren3984 You are wrong. Baptisms for the dead are necessary. It isn't that one scripture, it is how Christ preached to the dead, which is mentioned in numerous Bible passages. And if you read the whole chapter it does talk about the resurrection. If the resurrection wouldn't happen then baptisms for the dead would not be necessary, but we do rise, and so they are necessary. This is why the gospel was preached to those that are dead.

[@00Fisher00]

@@binren3984 You're adding extra "context" that isn't there. In many cases Paul corrected members of the Church through his epistles, and yet he issued no correction at all relating to baptisms for the dead, but rather used the Christian practice of proxy baptism to explain resurrection. Regardless of whether God "needs man's help", He has told men to do many things for Him.

[@angelsalvador6259]

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5

[@BrendonKing]

Angel Salvador gotta love them proof texts

[@monocuco818]

@@binren3984 His apostles did, and they also said that Christ preached to the dead. There are multiple verses that teach that.

[@javawillyj.9707]

That is true that is why also those who have not the chance to be baptized during their life have a chance to receive it through baptism for the dead.. Isn't it manifest the Love of our Almighty God for us?.. How lovely to know that God prepared a way and give us chances to choose and Follow Him. How lovely it is to know that even His gospel was preached among the dead (1 peter 3: 19-20; 1 Peter 4: 4-6) ;)

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@brianhuff4631]

Romans 10:9-10. We are saved by our acceptance of Jesus and his sacrifice only! Baptism is a demonstration of how we died to ourself and were raised to like as Christ. If someone is dead, there is nothing more that can be done. You have to believe, no one can do it for you.

[@00Fisher00]

I responded to you underneath someone else's comment, but I'll add more here. Our faith and actions in this life are definitely important, but there absolutely are things that must be done for the dead who were unable to do everything here. Many, many people have lived on this Earth without ever hearing about Jesus Christ, and thus had no opportunity to exercise faith in Him. He visited the Spirit World between His death and resurrection to ensure that those in Spirit Prison could be taught. Refer to 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 4:6 for specific references about that.

[@monocuco818]

1 Peter 3 and 4 disagree with what you just said.

[@thundersheep001]

Guys ITS ALL True!! … I know I found it for myself. I went on a walk about geeez over 20 years ago and found truth like I never thought I could have!! I knew there was a higher power and I dug Jesus as a great person and his teachings are all amazing. I could not find many answers and I saw so much bitterness towards others of different faiths from many pastors who seem to want to insight fear from their followers with barbaric consequences if they do not get the religion. I thought," man Jesus is not like that at all?" I'm also a scientists and needed science to make since with whatever my journey ended up teaching me. Then I fell in love with the LDS church, as my understandings of the universe and my part in it just made sense. So last thing guess what? the concept of Hell is not what they are trying to keep you tied down with. NO man woman or child will go to hell if they do not understand the gospel in this life, that's what the next life is all about , being able to learn more and this "learning" never ends. !!! Peace ya'll :)

[@lindsayhengehold5341]

This is among the most bizarre things that I have ever heard of

[@00Fisher00]

Why would you say that?

[@angelsalvador6259]

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 3:18-21

[@rsm1161]

Priesthood baptism isn't biblical. John the Baptist was the only one baptising at the time.

[@00Fisher00]

Early passages in the book of John mention Jesus and his disciples baptizing at different times also.

[@ladielorainecayang760]

I am so grateful the Church published this. I testify that this is true! And it is because of God's love for His children that this ordinance was made available for our deceased ancestors. There were some of my ancestors who doesn't have the opportunity to receive the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and be baptized in this life. I am beyond blessed to help them receive the gospel of Jesus Christ through performing baptism for the dead inside the holy temple of God.😊

[@levanidelaivuna5562]

Ladie Loraine it's a man made Mormon Church doctrine probably from the book of Mormon which was written by Joseph Smith a mere man..not from my Holy Bible which is the Word of God the absolute truth..and only the truth will set you free..my prayer that the Holy Spirit of God will take the scales off your eyes in order to know the truth.

[@whatdidujustsay2094]

@@levanidelaivuna5562 do some research for yourself. how can you speak of things you know not of?

[@germanslice]

@@levanidelaivuna5562 have you forgotten that the Sealed Book In Isaiah Chapter 29 that takes the scales away from your eyes and opens the eyes of all the blind who read that sealed book is not the Holy Bible but its the Book of Mormon because the Book of Mormon was a sealed book handed by God from heaven.

[@monocuco818]

@@levanidelaivuna5562 These doctrines are taught in the Bible and are not even found in the Book of Mormon. Read 1 Peter 3 and 4, 1 Corinthians 15:29, and then read the account where Christ tells the "thief" that He would go with Him to paradise but then tells Mary after He is resurrected that He had not yet ascended to His Father. Went to "paradise" but that wasn't in the presence of His Father, or in other words, "paradise" is not Heaven?

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@nalinihembrom464]

Authority from God and not authority from men. The priests and the pastors of today have authority from men not God.

[@00Fisher00]

The authority of God was lost from the Earth, but then restored in our day and it is found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Learn more at ComeUntoChrist.org .

[@00Fisher00]

@@korvaamiko66 Of course, that wouldn't be an efficient way of doing things. When God gives His authority to men, we are given opportunities to learn and grow through service. It's a very good thing.

[@stelladavis7832]

How do you know your leaders aren't just using man's authority? You realize every faith claims they have their authority from God, right?

[@00Fisher00]

@@stelladavis7832 Not every faith does, in fact; many people do not inquire about authority at all. We can know the truth of things by asking God Himself, though.

[@happylatter-daysaint3503]

I am so grateful for the wonderful plan of salvation. God loves His children. Baptism for the dead is wonderful & I'm so grateful that I can take part in it in God's Holy Temples.

[@cwilson6990]

Amen I was at Our Nashville Temple last Saturday I did as proxy was baptized for the Dead was my 1st time & a beautiful Inspiring moments I also confirm for those names baptism for the dead one last thing I was a Member of the Episcopal Church for 60 + years I found LDS church Have never found so much Love ❤️ Spiritual people of Faith Jesus Christ the Correct Name church is The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints

[@nanafaleofa4448]

@@cwilson6990 what a wonderful testimony we have for each other , even though we never met but this Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints bring us together His SPIRIT we feel like we know each other before ,I Love my brother s n Sister s around the world of the Faith that we have , Thanks for your testimony it's True.

[@nanafaleofa4448]

Happy Latter day Saints thanks for sharing your testimony , Thank you .

[@soundmindwar]

Stuff like this is why I love the Mormons. I am an atheist but I really respect Mormons. They are the one Christian denomination I will let into my home to chat. I am not convinced but this way that they seem to genuinely love, respect, and care about people is so awesome. I kind of want to put in my will to ask a Mormon very nicely to do this for me. I am not convinced now, but, if I die and find out I was living in ignorance, I'd like the opportunity to do better. Shout out to anyone who has ever been a proxy. Wherher you are right or not, this is a genuine act of love and I have nothing but respect for you. Edit. I read a comment below that the term Mormon may not be appropriate anymore. Can someone confirm? I would hate to offend by using the wrong term. It's just what I, as an outsider, have been taught.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

@soundmindwar, thank you for your kind words, and thank you for your question and for your desire to show respect. Our current prophet, President Russell M. Nelson, has emphasized the importance of using the full name of the Church. While we will not take offense when people use the nickname "Mormon," we prefer to be referred to as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or members of the Church of Jesus Christ. You can learn more here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng We hope that helps!

[@pamphyliarawls3301]

I did today amen and can't nobody take it from me

[@lllkajd827]

I want to convert so badly

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi, thanks for your comment. To learn more about becoming a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, see the link below: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/uk/community/how-to-become-a-latter-day-saint You can find a church meetinghouse near you, contact missionaries, and learn more about the gospel of Jesus Christ. Take care!

[@howardmcomber8578]

This is great ! Perhaps needs an update not saying mormon and including the scriptures 1 Peter 3:18-20 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Corinthians 15:29! Especially the last scripture Else what shall they do which are Baptized for the Dead!

[@manchurian53]

I love some of these comments. Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, Jonah and the whale, stopping the sun in the sky, being raised from the dead. You have no problem with any of that, but baptism for the dead? Well now you've gone too far.

[@katbosh7748]

If Jesus needed to be babtised then so should we all, even those who have passed on!

[@Formerlyknownas7435]

You cannot be baptized for anyone else. Through Jesus is the only way, John 14:6. You believe yourself, nobody else can get you to Heaven

[@00Fisher00]

@@Formerlyknownas7435 Jesus is the way when we're baptized for ourselves, and he's still the way when we are baptized for the dead. John 3:5 - "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 15:29 - "29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" When people receive the ordinance of baptism via proxy, they have the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ and His atonement, or they can reject it. Their faith in Jesus Christ still is a crucial factor.

[@shawnajohnson6655]

Jay Britton Fisher Thank you for your loving explanation and conviction of our Savior.

[@Formerlyknownas7435]

It is faith in Jesus alone while we are on this earth, in this life; Heb 9:27. It is not taught or commanded by Jesus or any other apostle to be baptized for someone else.

[@lziajuliann4107]

Baptism of the dead is when example a person who is 8 or older died without getting baptised will be baptised by us the living we can even baptised are ancestors who did not got baptised but you will baptised any person who is dead once you reached 12- + .Baptisim is a key to enter celestial kingdom .

[@jimf1964]

Geeze I wish I had a better memory, but I just read recently in the bible that what is bound on earth is bound in heaven. Goes more to do with the sealing, but it does relate in that things done here, will also affect in the after.

[@stacyjepchumba4424]

When you read the whole chapter it does not support baptism of the dead, in this case as you will be taking it out of context....God bless you though lets have mercy for the lost and be pitiful for those who doubt and continue in the same mind of our Lord Jesus.

[@jimf1964]

Stacy Jepchumba That's not the verse I was looking for. It's in thee Old Testament, about things being done here, are also counted in heaven.....well, something like that anyway.

[@00Fisher00]

@@stacyjepchumba4424 You can say that all you want, but when we read it, the context is clear, and the reference to baptism for the dead is still there. In addition, it just makes sense that if baptism is necessary for exaltation (as Jesus taught), that everyone would have the opportunity to receive baptism.

[@00Fisher00]

The passages I know of that sound like that are Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18 found here www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/matt/16.19?lang=eng&clang=eng#p18 and here www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/matt/18.18?lang=eng&clang=eng#p17 .

[@monocuco818]

@@00Fisher00 it also makes sense that they are baptized, otherwise why would Christ preach to the dead? Just to tell them what they missed then condemn them? nope. He clearly taught that the dead would hear His voice and if they believed on Him, they would be saved. Jus like if we, who are living believe on Him we will be saved. If you truly believe, you will repent and be baptized, otherwise you "cannot enter the kingdom of God."

[@latter-daysaintbatman2679]

For those of you who think baptisms for the dead is invalid, you need to be properly educated or else you will forever remain in your ignorance. 1 Peter 3:19-20 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." (KJV)- This verse is not just in the KJV bible, it's in every bible. Read it yourself before you make judgements. Remove the plank in your eye before you judge. Therefore, that's why it is important to baptize the dead so they can at least be protected in the next life and have a chance to be saved.

[@monocuco818]

I like to say it is not just baptism, that is only one part... but it is redemption for the dead :)

[@emilyjakubik]

The question is.... Will u remain in YOUR ignorance? 🕵

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@demetriusprice5890]

If there's one thing us Mormons are good at, it's finding loopholes. My mom's side of the family is Catholic, my dad's side was forever Mormon. We made sure to wait for them to request proxy baptisms and respected the wishes of those who made it clear that they wanted nothing to do with it. I wish all mormons historically would be as respectful and not dunk people they have no relation too.

[@chischilisnez7811]

When you think about it, we're ALL related to one another.

[@demetriusprice5890]

@@chischilisnez7811 fair enough 👌

[@samhb6616]

Some guy at my school started spreading rumors that Mormons baptize dead bodies because he heard the term "Baptism for the Dead" and completely misunderstood it. I thought it was pretty funny, and I had to explain to everyone how is really works lol

[@tatyanakovtun2826]

Well...it is still very funny... even with the explanation. It's unbiblical. Jesus never set up an example to baptize dead people or someone on their behalf. No where in the Bible

[@valerier3673]

@@tatyanakovtun2826 Hes prepared a way to save everyone. He is the most merciful person you know. This is His work going on to get everyone into one of the three degrees of glory

[@00Fisher00]

@@tatyanakovtun2826 1 Corinthians. It's both Biblical and true, and it's wonderful service to others.

[@patriciaishasebastian9890]

I love Holy Bible! 💕😍💕

[@erectilereptile7383]

I used to

[@bowestbrook6527]

"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." ~1 Timothy 2:12

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@Lepanto-1571]

The phrase “on behalf of the dead” is not actually in the Greek. The Greek word can mean “for” or “for the sake of,” not “on behalf of.” this is reflected in more modern English translations (NKJV, NABRE, NIV, etc.) The best explanation I've seen for 1 Corinthians 15:29 goes as follows: Those who were baptized for the dead were baptized “for” them in the sense of taking their place on the church membership roll. In other words, when believers died (many through martyrdom), new believers came forward to occupy the places left vacant by their absence. Paul’s logic is, why would these new believers put their own lives at risk (knowing that baptism would mark them for martyrdom) if there is no life after death? Those baptized for the dead were brought to faith in Christ by the testimonies of those now dead. The hope of resurrection espoused by the recently deceased believers continued in the faith of the newly baptized. I hope this brings a sense of clarity to those that find the LDS interpretation lacking, misinformed or superficial. God Bless.

[@00Fisher00]

That's an enormous stretch. Everyone is free to believe what we will. I am grateful for the truths of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that include the proxy work we do for the dead, started by Jesus Christ Himself when He began the teaching of the spirits in Spirit Prison as taught in the 1 Peter.

[@JeffSmith03]

Why are they still calling us Mormons? It offends God to do that. I'm a latter day saint of the church of Jesus Christ

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi Jeff, thanks for your question. We hope individuals will find this video when they search KZbin for “Mormon Beliefs”. When they watch the video, we clarify that the “Mormon Church” is properly referred to as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” As we work to teach people online, you can do your part by helping your friends and neighbors understand the proper name of the Church. Thank you!

[@dc2717]

Interesting thoughts. I'm surprised you didn't reference Paul's teachings to the Corinthians wherein he reveals to us that Christian's in Paul's time were also baptizing for the deceased. 1 Cor. 15:29 states: Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

[@juliewaller8174]

That was a pagan practice

[@Choraldiscourse]

He's not talking about Christians. He's making an argument for the Resurrection of the dead and uses it as one argument to say even 'they' (whoever they are) have practises which show a belief in the Resurrection.

[@Chanel8-i1n7n]

@@juliewaller8174 totally agree told a Mormon that .have read scripture in context not twist it .

[@manchurian53]

That's a good point. Thanks for adding it.

[@00Fisher00]

@@Chanel8-i1n7n There is no context stating that it was a pagan practice, so it's strange to suggest otherwise.

[@premalathaanthony8042]

I thank God for giving us this wonderful church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints to be a member and know about the baptism for the dead and bring all our family into God's fold and to be sealed as family in the temple.

[@mattieparr5659]

I love Mormon channel/message

[@rogelioguerrero2914]

So...you can only baptize for the dead in a mormon temple... because it says so where in the bible???!!!

[@BrendonKing]

Rogelio Guerrero exactly.

[@raphaelalexandreyensen6291]

Remember the Mormons also have the book of Mormon as extended scripture and they would say a corrected version of the bible without the influences of men altering the word for their own purposes. Though I am not Mormon so if one felt like correcting my answer that would be fine. Secondly many in the chat have state you can find your answer in the teachings of Paul to the Corinthians.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi @Rogelio Guerrero, the New Testament indicates that baptisms for the dead were done during the time of the Apostle Paul (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). This ordinance was restored with the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.You can learn more about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_

[@christybailey3643]

​@@churchofjesuschrist 1 Corinthians 15:12-24 is to explain how when people die they are either going to Hell or Heaven because there is eternal life. Also that eventually everyone will have a resurrected body when Jesus comes for the second time. Paul was like why should people be baptizing people that are dead if the dead do not live eternally.

[@a.d4874]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints you have taken it out of context in 1 Corinthians 15:29. Paul is questioning why would you baptize on behalf of people that are dead. When they will be resurrected anyways(if they have declared Jesus as their Lord and Savior), so he wasn’t agreeing with you. But actually disagreeing.

[@JRHendrick]

At my conversion in 2001 I had quite a time for at least 2 years trying to explain why we perform ornaments for the dead to my family

[@andreafaldon5026]

Good video but it needs the scripture from the Bible so people know where to look.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Thanks for your comment, Andrea. You or others interested can learn more about baptisms for the dead, including scriptures in the Bible that teach about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@vardanmamajanyan6078]

So true

[@bruh-oz3bu]

I love temples!

[@sebibejinaru8091]

You need to love Jesus Christ not temples or Angels.. read the Bible

[@Rosedara]

Hebrews 9:27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Also read Luke 16:9-31. You have one opportunity in this life to accept Christ, there is no redemption after death if you do not accept it in life. Proxie baptism is useless.

[@Formerlyknownas7435]

Well said!

[@rabbit4111]

Michael Smith Not well said at all !!! Millions have passed through this mortal existence having NO KNOWLEDGE of Christ. Are they therefore to be condemned ? Proxy baptism gives them, as spirit beings, the chance to learn of and follow Jesus Christ and his gospel. JUSTICE AND MERCY !!!

[@christybailey3643]

@@rabbit4111 God is just and merciful, who says that they have gone to Hell just because they had no knowledge of Christ. If you believe that God is a God of justice and mercy then you should believe that He knows who have accepted Him and who have not even if they never heard the word on earth. God makes it known to us that there is some type of God out there and even if you never hear the word Yahweh in your life on earth, you are still able to see the work of a higher power and that we are sinful people. Also, it is a personal discussion for a person to believe in Jesus Christ or not so there is no way proxy baptism would work when it is up to that person to decided to follow Christ or not

[@00Fisher00]

@@christybailey3643 It is absolutely a personal decision whether or not people accept the baptisms performed by proxy on their behalf. We don't presume to know whether or not everyone does accept it, but members of the Church or Jesus Christ perform millions of proxy baptisms for our ancestors in the hopes that they do accept the gospel. This is not only a great part of God's justice, but also a mercy for those who selflessly render the service. You should ask a member of the Church of Jesus Christ sometime about the experiences we've had as we've served in this way.

[@monocuco818]

Read 1 Peter 3 and 4. Christ died and preached the gospel to the dead... why would He preach the gospel to the dead if they had already been judged? Well, because "but after this the judgement" does not mean immediately after you die, but after this earthly life comes the judgement, once all have lived and Christ comes and finishes His work, then there will be the 2nd resurrection and then the final judgement.

[@ffelix0616]

Baptism does not equal salvation.

[@manchurian53]

They never said it did.

[@katbosh7748]

Baptism is a required step.

[@dcpaulk27]

@@katbosh7748 - Read Romans 10:9.

[@00Fisher00]

@@dcpaulk27 That's a requirement, not a complete list of all requirements. Other passages include Christ's own teachings of the necessity of baptism.

[@HaimSamakovlija02]

The Catholic Church, the Orthodox churches and even most Protestant denominations do not consider Mormonism as a Christian Religion. For their concept differs from Christianity. 1) Different Godhead, 2) Exaltation concept, 3) Baptism of the dead, 4) Spirit World, 5) Concept of Baptism, 6) The concept of Hell, etc. Those are reasons the LDS is not recognized as Christian, also the Jesus-Christ they're speaking about is a creature and not the incarnation of Almighty God which is the Christian Creed.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi @Alain D., thanks for tuning in to the video. We respect you and what you believe, and we ask for that same respect in return, even if we don't agree. To clarify, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians. We worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ. When asked what the Latter-day Saints believe, Joseph Smith put Christ at the center: “The fundamental principles of our religion is the testimony of the apostles and prophets concerning Jesus Christ, ‘that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended up into heaven;’ and all other things are only appendages to these, which pertain to our religion.” Many of the arguments you list above are examined at the link below. We invite you and others to review the link and become more educated about what we believe. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/are-mormons-christian?lang=eng

[@HaimSamakovlija02]

@@churchofjesuschrist I'm an evangelical, I don't recognize the Mormon faith as Christian at all. They don't believe Jesus is God, that's a non-starter for a christian like me.

[@HaimSamakovlija02]

@@churchofjesuschrist I respect people but not their lies, in fact, the LDS church along with other arrian sects such as the YW were born to put confusion among the christians, worshipping another Jesus, which they consider a creature and the brother of the Devil and not Almighty God and this you people do not recognize because you are duped by spirits of error like all those sectarians born in 19th century America, denying the FULL divinity of Jesus. Like the ancient heretic Arius and other ones. Repent and convert to the real Jesus-Christ, for God Almighty walked among men and people did not recognize him.

[@HaimSamakovlija02]

@@churchofjesuschrist It is exactly because christians know what mormons believe that we do not consider them as christians for God is one and he does not change!

[@monocuco818]

Exactly, they are "christian" creeds... not Biblical. They were created by men, not by God.

[@themarcumtribe]

Where is this practice in the Bible or scripture on this? I believe the word of God is our final authority, and would love to see scriptures backing up this religious practice. I believe as one is yet living they will be held accountable for their salvation including baptism. “...work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling”. Philippians 2:12 Someone else can’t work it out for you. You have the choice while you are still a living, breathing soul!

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Good question. You can learn more about baptisms for the dead, including scriptures in the Bible that teach about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_

[@00Fisher00]

You are right that our own faith is necessary. If someone does not accept Christ, then a proxy baptism for them does not help. However, if they do accept Christ, then a proxy baptism affords them an opportunity they may not have had in life. Pertinent Biblical references are John 3:5 - "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." and 1 Corinthians 15:29 - "29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" Additional scripture beyond the Bible teaches more about it, but it's probably best to follow the link provided in the Church's comment for a good overview.

[@JeffSmith03]

I also believe the Word of God, therefore I rely on Prophets more than the old writings that I couldn't ensure they keep pure since the Prophets had written them

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@lynnbybee1005]

How is it determined whether a dead person was "properly baptized"? You can't tell that by researching someone on Ancestry.com (which is affiliated with the mormon church)....

[@spenroze892]

Its on familysearch.org. i dont believe in baptism for the dead though. God bless.

[@MrNirom1]

@@spenroze892 Do you believe in baptism for the living?

[@valerier3673]

When you hold a recommend and are at least 12 years old you can go to the temple and do baptism by proxy for the dead. Then the deceased relatives can decide whether to accept the work or decline it.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi Lynn, we apologize for being slow answering your question. FamilySearch.org is the Church's nonprofit family history organization and accounts are free and available to the public. As described in this video, members of the Church are able to complete temple ordinances like baptism for the dead for deceased persons to whom they are related, which are then recorded on FamilySearch. According to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject such a baptism - the offering is freely given and must be freely received. The ordinance does not force deceased persons to become members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, nor does the Church list deceased persons as members of the Church. To learn more about FamilySearch, visit newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/familysearch.

[@tautifaimoanaahching5799]

Baptism for the dead was practice in the new testament in the Bible, Peter taught us that. 1 Corinthians 15: 29 first you have to question the Bible

[@93jkeys]

Hey! Paul is not saying that “we”, (Christians who believe in the resurrection), baptize for the dead, but that “people”, (those who deny a resurrection), practice this proxy baptism. The people practicing “Baptism for the Dead” were not the Corinthian Christians, but those who (deny) a resurrection! But perhaps the most critical issue with the LDS doctrine of “Baptism for the dead” is that it directly contradicts what the Bible teaches about baptism, death, salvation, and proxy work.

[@spencerwaddell1972]

@@93jkeys just becuase they are not Corinthian Christian's does not make a verse true or untrue if a apostle says to do something or a prophet or christ himself you do it no questions asked 1 Peter 4:6 even talks about preaching to the dead and most importantly think logically why would Christ and God screw over people? Why would they say you can't go to heaven fir example for people in China who haven't even heard of Jesus or when people I'm general never heard of Christ how about people that were not alive for the time of baptism christ clearly states you must be baptized in order to go to heaven at the end of the day God wouldn't just screw over his people he wouldn't screw people who were not alive for the mormon gospel such as George Washington he wasn't even alive for the chance to join the church how is it fair that he is dammed to hell if he wasn't even alive to join the true gospel?

[@spencerwaddell1972]

@@93jkeys if a Muslim walks up to you and says Chirst is the only path to heaven is that Muslim wrong either way John states that he was involved in that scripture he talks about preaching with them in verse 11 I am sorry but your argument just simply not true

[@00Fisher00]

@@93jkeys Incorrect. Paul was mentioning baptism for the dead specifically because he knew about the resurrection and the following final judgment. The doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ are founded in the words of prophets, not contradicting them.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@ambu6478]

It may come as a surprise, but if you'll check, The Apostle Paul even talked about baptism for the dead! Don't take my word for it...look it up!! 1st Corinthians 15:29.

[@monocuco818]

Add 1 Peter 3 and 4 and you establish a doctrine that the Lord is attempting to redeem even the dead.

[@jewelss7585]

Leave the Dead alone there's nothing you can do for them when you're ready your either in Heaven or Hell

[@00Fisher00]

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and did. As members of His Church, we follow Him, and thus are concerned for both the living and the dead.

[@monocuco818]

Not according to the Bible or what Christ taught. Read 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4.

[@maryaport]

I love to read the Gospels because they recorded the words that came out of the mouth of Jesus Christ. And I never read about Jesus saying to baptize the dead ones. Read Mark 16,15-16 and Mathew 28,19-20 .

[@monocuco818]

It is taught in 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4

[@chloesimpson2438]

Actually the Book of Mormon says priesthood. And if it was from the Bible it was in a Bible translation from the Mormons, as is said in the fist chapter of the Book of Mormon that they believe the Bible as long as it is translated correctly.

[@ct8409]

John the Baptist was not a "priest". The Bible does not say that.

[@emilyjakubik]

Yep! Ur right. He was a disciple but not a priest. God used John to baptize others to show them u dont have to be a priest in order to baptize someone. You just have to be saved and baptized.

[@00Fisher00]

@@emilyjakubik Nowhere in the Bible does it say that John wasn't ordained.

[@mariac6280]

This is very new to me.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi Marie. The New Testament indicates that baptisms for the dead were done during the time of the Apostle Paul (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). This ordinance was restored with the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You can learn more about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_

[@MegWasHere2011]

We love this video

[@ultragaming1650]

I am so happy that i go to the temple and perform batisim for the dead the reason why i go to the temple so the people who die long ago will have a chance to see the kingdom of God and the best experience in the temple is i feel the Holy Ghost in my heart i know the temple is the house of the Lord

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi Carol- thanks for your comment. You can learn more about baptisms for the dead, including scriptures in the Bible that teach about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_

[@Formerlyknownas7435]

@@carolbassant5396 it does not teach this in the Bible

[@00Fisher00]

@@Formerlyknownas7435 Except for the passages that people have cited in comments here numerous times. Carol can follow the link in the Church's comment above to learn more; there are references listed there.

[@monocuco818]

@@Formerlyknownas7435 Yeah it teaches it in several places.

[@angelsalvador6259]

Why does Jesus Christ told Nicodemus unless a man be born of water & by the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God?..then between his death & resurrection he visited those dead that are in prison...

[@JeffSmith03]

When those in the spirit prison accept Jesus Christ then they still need the baptism in the flesh. That is why they can obtain it by proxy, called baptism for the dead. Someone still alive stands in for them.

[@olgaehernandez57]

With all due respect...How i am going to be a proxy for baptism for my mom that was a devoted member of another denomination?.. Doesn't make any sense to me..I can't talk to my dead mom to ask if she wants this..🤷🤦

[@00Fisher00]

Right; we can't ask the dead anything. Whether or not they accept the ordinances we perform for them is their choice. Latter-day saints are willing to do the work for our deceased family members without knowing whether they will accept it, knowing that it gives them an essential opportunity that they wouldn't have otherwise.

[@hayleemaej]

we can not choose this important, life freeing decision for someone. As much as we may want to and it seems like a lovely idea, that’s not the point of baptism. Baptism is you and god personally deciding to become reborn, no one else is apart of that decision.

[@00Fisher00]

You're right; under God's authority, we conduct the ordinance for those who no longer can do so for themselves, and they choose for themselves whether they accept it.

[@blairsterrett9988]

We no longer use the nickname "Mormon" since it's not our real name. It's the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

[@wapperjaw8282]

Hmmm ... but their own Mormon Bible contradicts this teaching ... saying, “For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he does seal you his. Therefore, the spirit of the Lord has withdrawn from you and hath no place in you; the power of the devil is over you, and this is the final state of the wicked.” … "And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; yea, and he has also said that the righteous shall sit down in his kingdom, to go no more out; but their garments should be made white through the blood of the Lamb." - Alma 34:35-36 It is noteworthy that the scriptures that directly mention death in connection with baptized ones refer to living individuals who had been baptized and not to those who had died. Paul also told fellow anointed Christians: “You were buried with him in his baptism, and by relationship with him you were also raised up together through your faith in the operation of God, who raised him up from the dead.”​-Colossians 2:12. It is obvious that they (Mormons) have misinterpreted what Paul is stating at 1Cor 15:29 ... after all, baptism is related to Christian discipleship, and dead souls cannot be disciples. (John 4:1) It's also worth mentioning that Paul corrected many false teachings trying to infiltrate the Christian congregation (which eventually happened). Thus the reason why such teachings exist today creating all sorts of religions! So even in Paul's day, some were even teaching the resurrection had already occurred 2 Tim 2:17,18. Here at Chapter 15 of 1st Cor. Paul is now correcting the false teaching that some were teaching there is no resurrection. At 1st Cor 15: 20-23 Paul knew he would be dead for a period of time “. . .But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. . .” - 1Co 15:23. Nobody is resurrected till Jesus begins ruling! Paul corrected 2 false teachings concerning the resurrection of his day ... Hmmm ... Does anybody ever wonder what this means? “. . .and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”” - Re 5:10

[@captianerizekiii8765]

Wapper Jaw, note that as Paul uses the Corinthian practice of baptism for the dead in his argument for the reality of the resurrection, he doesn’t condemn the practice. In a letter full of condemnations, that’s arguably an affirmation. How does a passage about not procrastinating repentance “disprove” the practice of baptism for the dead? Baptism for the dead is preformed for those who never had the chance to be baptized in their lifetime at all. That passage just doesn’t apply.

[@00Fisher00]

The passage from Alma is in the Book of Mormon, not a "Mormon Bible", and it's not a contradiction at all. You're missing a number of other things, such as the resurrection of many immediately following the resurrection of Jesus Christ in Matthew 27:52. Paul was quite direct in referring to baptisms for the dead, and also in describing Jesus' mission to preach to the dead in the Spirit World between His death and resurrection. I wish you the best in your further scriptural studies, though.

[@chaseallen7499]

could you please not call The Book of Mormon the "Mormon Bible" it does not replace the Bible not do we not call it the "Mormon Bible" And about people procrastinating it was talking about people who knew about the gospel but refused the gospel. Baptism for the dead is about letting those who did not have an opportunity to be babtised.

[@monocuco818]

Yeah, you are way off bro! Read 1 Peter 3 and 4 in conjunction with those in 1 Corinthians 15. It establishes a very clear doctrine of the dead receiving the gospel and even baptism.

[@grandpaje4734]

This is what Jesus Christ said 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to *fulfil all righteousness*. Then he suffered him. Matthew 3 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 1 Cor 15 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Phil 2 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28

[@KarenColston-ir5qd]

I believe that it might be baptisms for the dead, because it was people here on earth before, who have died that didn't hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Whom and when does these people who already dead get a chance to hear the gospel. And why now is it just starting to be talked about. Especially if it's in the New Testament???

[@KarlaHafdahl]

God will deal with those later on who are not baptized, which is actually too late when you die. Do it while you are still alive, and tell all your friends; spread the gospel of the good news.

[@monocuco818]

1 Peter 4:6 also read the whole chapter. As well as 1 Peter chapter 3. The gospel is taught to those who are dead, even as far back as in the time of the flood. Why would He preach to them if they can't be baptized and if it is too late? Why can the dead who hadn't received the gospel until after they were dead "live according to the Spirit?"

[@terryslade6240]

KJ, I think you deny the Savior's love and his work, to save as many people as will believe in him; even those millions who died, never knowing Christ. If your comment were true, there are MILLIONS living on earth who will never know Jesus Christ or God the Father. Will they be condemned? "This is my work and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of Man." "...For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved." ALL must be baptized; those who died without baptism will be baptized, if in proxy, and they will be given the choice to accept or reject it. There are churches "out there" that teach, if a person has not been baptized before they die, they will be tortured for eternity; even children and babies. This is a sick and evil belief.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@beaupeterson188]

You can’t baptize someone without their consent.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi Beau, thanks for your comment. As described in this video, according to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject baptism - the offering is freely given and must be freely received. The ordinance does not force deceased persons to become members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, nor does the Church list deceased persons as members of the Church. To learn more, visit newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/baptism-for-the-dead

[@beaupeterson188]

@@churchofjesuschrist What about a Son who turns your tables, for the sake of equality? Is He worthy of baptism? Are His pleas accepted?

[@00Fisher00]

@@beaupeterson188 Could you explain more of what your concern is? It's not clear right now.

[@MsSpongy89]

@@churchofjesuschrist how do you know if the person accepted the baptism?

[@00Fisher00]

@@MsSpongy89 Generally, we don't! We perform the service in a spirit of hope and duty. That being said, I have heard from a number of people who have experienced things while performing proxy baptisms that, to say the least, gave them strong confirmation that their ancestor had joyfully received the ordinance. Perhaps someday someone will be able to tell you about it.

[@mikethomas3498]

Twisted theology beyond reason. That Joseph smith was really out there.

[@00Fisher00]

Actually, it makes a lot of sense that people are not condemned merely for not having had the gospel preached to them while alive. It's very easy to accept when God confirms truth to our hearts.

[@monocuco818]

If you read the Bible and if you come to know your Savior, you will know that this is the way He has established in order to save as many as His children as possible.

[@emilyjakubik]

MORMONS HAVE FALSE DOCTRINE.

[@00Fisher00]

@@emilyjakubik You're using "Mormons" as a nickname for members of the Church of Jesus Christ. What do you really know about the Church?

[@heysupermanlook996]

Can people who have no familial connection with living Mormons receive the gift of baptism?

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Church members are instructed to submit names for proxy baptism only for their own deceased relatives as an offering of familial love. You can learn more about baptism for the dead here:www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/baptism-for-the-dead

[@00Fisher00]

Eventually, God will give everyone the opportunity, but we do the work now for our ancestors.

[@gillianfoxsmith8268]

@@00Fisher00 How will god give everyone the opportunity if only ancestors of Mormons are getting proxy baptisms?

[@00Fisher00]

@@gillianfoxsmith8268 Good question. Right now, the gospel is preached among those who are still living to all who will listen, and when a person joins the Church, they can then research their own ancestors. We can presume that not all family lines will be immediately available just through Church members, though. Also, there are plenty of people for whom earthly records have not been kept. I don't remember the references very well, but as I understand it, records are kept in heaven also, and during the reign of Christ on Earth, we will know more and be able to continue the work. What I do know is that God is both loving and just, so if we need something, He'll make it available to us. This probably isn't the most satisfying answer, but it's what I can give for now. Maybe other commenters will have more to add.

[@Formerlyknownas7435]

Hebrews 9:27

[@lesterrivers8804]

The dead knows nothing , remember that ?

[@00Fisher00]

Then why did Jesus Christ preach to them?

[@javawillyj.9707]

How then we will suffer for our sins when we die if we know nothing about our sins??

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@josiaszewdie5668]

What about the thief on the cross? was he baptized? What about Cornelius when he received the holy ghost before baptism?

[@00Fisher00]

We don't actually have details about whether or not the thief on the cross was baptized. Many people feel the influence of the Holy Ghost before being baptized, and we then continue to be baptized and receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost.

[@monocuco818]

The thief on the cross was told that he would be with christ in "paradise." But what is "paradise" and where is it? Christ and this thief die and they go to "paradise" right? But when Christ is resurrected on the third day what does He say to Mary? "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." So He went to "paradise" but never went to His Father or heaven? That is exactly right. Paradise is not heaven. Paradise is a place where the dead who have accepted Christ, wait for the resurrection and the judgement. This thief believed in Christ, only on His word, and now would have the opportunity in death, in paradise, to learn of Christ and His gospel and accept Him or not. 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4 speak of Christ preaching the gospel to the dead. It is obvious that this is where Christ went during the time in which He was dead, before His resurrection. As for Cornelius, the Spirit can come to anyone who diligently seeks Christ... you don't have to belong to any religion for that to happen... but the Spirit will always direct you to Christ's church just as it did Cornelius and his followers.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@sidname9538]

In the video--it provides good information. But if a person is inside the temple and they are clean (not perfect) but clean. Un-seen and un-heard communication is offered by the power of God to that person. If any person really wants to know if the Church of Jesus Christ is true they will open their heart to God--and when this happens God will enter in

[@davidpikop6975]

"The living know that they shall die but the dead know not anything." Ecclesiastes 9:5. If the dead know not anything then they can't accept or reject a baptism done for them.

[@00Fisher00]

Your interpretation of that passage is insufficient. If the spirits of the dead aren't able to think, then why would Christ ensure that they were taught? Refer to 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 1 Peter 4:6.

[@monocuco818]

You should read 1 Peter 3 and 4 as suggested. Ecclesiastes has a little more to it than what you suggest, as the dead are currently being taught the gospel, the judgement hasn't occurred yet, and Christ Himself went to "paradise" to teach the dead.

[@emmawilson5110]

"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." (Proverbs 29:1) We have our chance in life. Whoever doesn't choose to accept or to seek truth (Matthew 7:7, "seek and you will find") will suddenly be destroyed, . "Suddenly being destroyed" refers to death, and whoever dies in their sins goes to hell. Baptism of the dead is believed to be a remedy to that death, the remedy that God said would never exist. So unless God is lying, baptism of the dead is useless.

[@00Fisher00]

Keep studying and you will find that there is work to do for the dead. Jesus Himself started it. Peter spoke of this in 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 4:6. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

[@monocuco818]

Yeah Christ preached the gospel to the dead that they might "live according to the Spirit." They can receive the gospel and are being taught the gospel as we speak :)

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@margaritomoquiala677]

JESUS WHO MADE HIMSELF AS PROXY BY SAVING ALL HUMANITY FRM ETERNAL DEATH.THE PRINCIPLE OF PROXY IN BAPTISM COULD NOT APPLIED TO WHAT CHRIST HAVE DONE ON THE CROSS.BAPTISM REQUIRED REPENTANCE OF PERSONAL SIN.NOW THE DEAD CANNOT REPENT AND THE PROXY CANNOT REPENT BECAUSE HE/SHE DID NOT KNOW THE SIN OF A PERSON BEING PROXIED.HOW COULD THIS BE ACCEPTABLE OF THE RULES SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE.

[@00Fisher00]

This is too hard to read. Please use proper capitalization and punctuation so that you can communicate your ideas effectively.

[@monocuco818]

It is taught in the Bible that Christ preached to the dead. Read 1 Peter 3 and 4 and then reach 1 Corinthians 15. Baptism is performed on their behalf and it is up to them to not only accept this work done for them, but to repent so that Christ may forgive them according to His perfect understanding, mercy and justice.

[@Playsitloud1]

Oh how ye err in not knowing the gospel. God is the God of the living and not the dead. I just cant beleive this is happening........

[@00Fisher00]

If it's good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; " "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." (1 Peter 3:18-19, 4:6)

[@rabbit4111]

Dantes Cristo The dead are alive in the spirit world, and are just as important to God as we living in this mortal world. Their changed perspective means they need the opportunity to have ordinances performed by us on their behalf, to follow Jesus Christ, which wasn’t available to them here.

[@monocuco818]

Yeah you know there are other scriptures that say God is the God of both living and dead right? Not to mention the scriptures given to you earlier.

[@ethanmiller9253]

God is both of the living and the dead

[@Impressively_Bad_Gamers]

the audio needs to be edited! It says Mormon we don't use that word anymore please change ut

[@abigailbarham468]

Being baptized doesn't get you into heaven. You have to repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ into your heart. AKA you need to be saved. You need to put your faith in Him. And it's not Hy good works alone either. You have to have faith and trust in Jesus! After being saved you are then baptized. Just being baptized does nothing.

[@00Fisher00]

Absolutely! By performing proxy baptisms, we give the opportunity for our ancestors to accept the ordinance, but if they are not faithful or otherwise reject the ordinance or Jesus Christ, it doesn't help them. We don't know whether they accept Christ or not, but we do the work for them in case they do.

[@dcpaulk27]

@@00Fisher00 - I challenge you to read the parable Jesus tells in Luke 16:19-31 about the rich man and Lazarus when they die and explain how your theory of baptism for the dead holds up.

[@00Fisher00]

@@dcpaulk27 It's God's teaching--not my theory--but I'll gladly respond. In the parable in Luke 16:19, Christ isn't addressing baptism but is instead teaching other principles, and we don't have any context about the baptismal status of the people involved. One man in the parable had opportunities to listen to God's prophets and follow God's will but rejected it all. He didn't like the result, but being dead didn't do anything to increase his faith in Jesus Christ. Proxy baptism would not help him. It also won't help some other people, but when we perform proxy baptisms for our ancestors we have no way of knowing what is in their hearts. We perform the ordinance without knowing, and it is up to them to have true faith in Jesus Christ. Some will not, but some will, and they will be grateful that they were able to receive baptism by proxy even though they had no opportunity while alive.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@SuLorito]

Funny funny. Like a twisted children's monster story. Good job.

[@thundersheep001]

Whoa you surly did not watch the video :/ lol

[@garyclark6281]

Some devout members that have been baptized for deceased relatives report seeing that relative during or after the ceremony. Could this be interpreted as "familiar sprits" or demons masquerading as that relative?

[@00Fisher00]

Perhaps it could be misinterpreted that way by people who do not understand temples.

[@jameswong999]

Baptism of the dead does not take place on sound scriptural basis. It is nonsense. It is a pagan ritual that was common in Greek religions. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15, talks about the inconsistencies of practices of false teachers in the historical context of the church in Corinth. The point of his writing is to emphasize the resurrection from the dead, and he does nowhere say that it is good to baptize the dead (via a proxy or other method). Baptism for the dead cannot - by scriptural evidence - lead to salvation in any way. The only way to salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. No works, deeds or rituals can help in the salvation of a human being, as it is only the belief in and acceptance of Jesus Christ and what He has done for you. There is so much evidence against the baptism of the dead, that even this misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:29 cannot be apparent. Go and read up on it yourself. Seriously. Read what comes before it and read what comes after. Get an understanding of what is going on, what is the author trying to say, and then figure out if the explanation you were given makes sense.

[@00Fisher00]

Many of us have studied the passages extensively, and proxy baptism is very much based on a sound scriptural basis, both in the Bible and in other scripture. Paul is indeed teaching about resurrection, but citing incorrect practices doesn't strengthen any teaching, so he would have no reason to do that. Jesus Christ is indeed the way to salvation, and He himself taught that baptism was necessary and also served as an example to us by being baptized Himself. Baptism is as important for those who have died as for those who have not died yet. Christ also taught that what we do is vital for our salvation when he said, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

[@hayesbartonbaptistchurchmu3209]

Christ is our only intercessor (1 John 2:1) so how can we as human intercede for those that have passed? Baptism is a symbol of regeneration for those that believe and by immersion, as biblically indicated, is a very moving display of this act.

[@AdeyemiAdetolaIsaac]

Good bless you abundantly. You spoke my mind.

[@AdeyemiAdetolaIsaac]

@@00Fisher00 Then you didn't read the passage with an open mind.

[@00Fisher00]

@Waterlec Anyone can perform something that they call a baptism; the question is whether it's done with God's authority in His true Church. Whether or not the dead accept the baptisms performed for them is entirely up to them. You seem to be misunderstanding the whole motivation for doing this, though. It is only a service rendered to others according to God's will.

[@GeorgeDemetz]

There are so many ignorant here that make up their minds right sway and will not seek learning! As Jiseph Smith stated: It is imposdible to be daved in ignorace! This is a quote from the world reniwn Interpreters Bible commentary (non Mirmin) which uses the unput of more than 900 scholars: "1 Corinthians 15: 29 Baptism for the dead, that rapture of the cosmos, Paul turns to an interesting item if church practice in Corinth, snd probsbly elsewher too, and uses it to reinforce his msin point..." Ignorance is bliss, but it cant save you!

[@jennifermrzyglod4386]

Is there a way to find out the names of the dead that have been baptized?

[@JasonHorkles]

They keep a record so on their site if the person hasn't been baptized yet it'll show a little icon saying that

[@00Fisher00]

Family members do research for their own ancestors. The Church keeps records of all ordinances, including proxy ordinances, and the information is visible on FamilySearch.

[@heathsnow731]

@@00Fisher00 but how can they know ones heart? Only God does, this is not very biblical.

[@raindancer3420]

@@heathsnow731 2:20 explains this more.

[@00Fisher00]

@@heathsnow731 It is well-founded in scripture if understood properly. We perform the ordinance, and they have the opportunity to accept or reject it. Even in life if someone rejects Christ in their heart, baptism won't be enough for them, and in death it's no different. However, if they do accept Him, proxy baptism allows them to make the vital baptismal covenant.

[@John17230]

What if you don't know the names of your ancestors? Can you still save them?

[@churchofjesuschrist]

@John17230, thanks for your question. The Church provides many resources to help both members and non-members of our faith discover their family history. Learn more here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/family-history/getting-started?lang=eng, and feel free to contact missionaries or Church representatives for help at the link below. www.comeuntochrist.org/contact-us

[@JeffSmith03]

There will be even more done over time to help the living discover exactly who their ancestors are so the work can be done, because some records are hard or not possible to find yet

[@monocuco818]

When Christ comes again there will be a 1000 years of peace where Christ will reign and He will help us connect all of our families and straighten out the lineage of the entire human family. In other words, there will be a lot of temple work. Baptisms for the dead and sealings etc... So if you don't find them in this life, We will figure it out when Christ comes.

[@ChristianApologist1]

Did Jesus practice this baptism of the dead?

[@00Fisher00]

@@ChristianApologist1 We don't have any account of Jesus Himself performing a baptism for the dead, though His followers did. Jesus Christ did preach to the spirits in Spirit Prison between the time of His own death and resurrection, though, as mentioned by Peter.

[@self-developementhub3731]

I made a Come Follow Me animation for Mosiah Chapter 10!

[@TheOneStoneAngell]

Crazy!

[@protruth1]

i never wondered about it, baptizing for the dead it is a lie from the pit of hell And this nonsense about being baptized by someone that has authority is ridiculous

[@monocuco818]

It is all Biblical, but also a revelation from God that we should help gather Israel. You should read the New Testament more... Christ went to the Spirit world (paradise) when He died and before His resurrection. 1 Peter 3 and 4 talk about Christ preaching the gospel to the dead, and makes it perfectly clear that the gospel was in fact preached to those that had died, even since the time of Noah.

[@00Fisher00]

Do you accept the Bible as scripture? If so, you should consider several passages from it that refer to these things. For example, 1 Corinthians 15:29, which reads, "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" We see the importance of being authorized by God to do His work in passages like Hebrews 5:4, which reads, "And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron." Verses 1-3 in that chapter refer to high priests and explain some of their work, and verse 4 makes it clear that God didn't say for people to take His work upon themselves without being authorized and called. Whether or not you believe in the Bible, I'd be interested in hearing what the foundation of your faith is.

[@spencerwaddell1972]

You should also read 1 Peter 4:6 it talks about dead quite well

[@emilyjakubik]

Correct. John the Baptist was NOT a "priest". He was chosen by God to baptize to show others that if you are saved and baptized, then that gives you the authority to baptize some1 else. You do not have to be a priest to do it.

[@00Fisher00]

@@emilyjakubik Where do you get those ideas from? Being baptized is a covenant and is not the same thing as being given authority.

[@adamhawkins3036]

The bible says when you die the spirit it in itself will die the spirit goes out like a candle not up up and away

[@00Fisher00]

Biblical writings teach the opposite of what you said. One of the most important passages that indicates that our spirits continue and are taught is the book of 1 Peter; refer specifically to 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 4:6.

[@MrFortnoxtt]

When the narrator says, "Here's the Problem" That's a problem.

[@00Fisher00]

What do you mean? What do you find problematic?

[@jdsheleg8332]

"Proxy" and "substitute atonement" are not the same, neither linguistically not theologically. In proxy the authority has to be given to tho the agent at the request of the original person. It is a legal term. Jesus not only took our place, but he atoned by being the perfect, sinless sacrifice. He had the power to take our place, but we could have never being able to pay for our sins.

[@00Fisher00]

Jesus atoned for our sins and taught that we must be baptized. He even gave us the example by being baptized Himself. After death, people are unable to request baptism, but as we perform proxy baptisms for our ancestors they are able to accept or reject the ordinance. We give them the opportunity.

[@rabbit4111]

Jay Britton Fisher Thank you for your well reasoned replies to the doubters . God bless you !

[@00Fisher00]

@@rabbit4111 I try. There's plenty of misunderstanding out in the world, and I hope to help at least a few people out.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@areyes16536ar]

THEIR'S BAPTISM WHEN YOU EXCEPT CHRIST YOU EXCEPT THE BAPTISM

[@FirstLast-cn5yf]

The problem with Baptism of the proxies is: • The sin is committed with our fleshy condition, and so the actual flesh of the dead person must be present in order to cleanse it. Not any proxies. And the proxies has no knowledge of sins that was being committed by that dead person. Baptism by immersion in water symbolize the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, or we too resurrect with Jesus Christ. Resurrection of Jesus Christ is a reunification of perfected flesh, bones, and the spirit. And this can't be achieved when you are dead. •And keep in mind what this verse teach us (John 16:8). "When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment" Unless an awareness of sin is instilled in him by the Holy Spirit, a sinner will not be able to see the wickedness of his sins and flee from the future wrath unto obedience of Christ.

[@monocuco818]

The Bible teaches redemption for the dead. Christ Himself was a proxy for us, if we accept His Atonement. Yet he declares the dead heard His voice and His Apostles proclaimed it. So redemption is made by the Savior of the world, dead and living!

[@00Fisher00]

When you say, "the actual flesh of the dead person must be present in order to cleanse it," that's nothing more than an assertion from you, and it is not founded in God's word. You are correct about the symbolic meaning of baptism by immersion; the dead can accomplish the spiritual aspect of this covenant but they rely on us to accomplish the physical aspect, for which we do not need any knowledge of their sins. Our physical resurrection will come later, and that is partly why baptism for the dead is so important. Paul taught this in 1 Corinthians 15:29 -- "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@monocuco818]

You should also read 1 Peter 3 and 4. If the dead can't be saved why did Christ Himself teach them the gospel so that they "may live?"

[@michellewilliams3118]

you came at Gods speed as you always do i was begining to miss you all please yes i will get a babtism but i need to know my marraige will be allowed as a common law wife to my man of 11 years my bros and sisters this was my maJOR CONCERN

[@paul11magdy]

Nevermind, not worth refuting.

[@7Logik]

Paul taught we are saved by grace through faith......alone ...not works, this video is a false doctrine and gospel....

[@monocuco818]

1 Peter chapter 3 and 4 speak of redemption for the dead. Baptism is an essential ordinance in order to enter the kingdom of heaven and Christ Himself taught the gospel to the dead so they have that opportunity. It is Biblical, it is Christ's gospel, it is the truth. I understand it is strange because the churches have not taught it since the church fell and the full truth is lost, but if you read the Bible and know Christ as a loving Savior, you would see that this is a way He has designed to save a lot more of His children that will accept Him.

[@marie6226]

Am I the only non-Christian here lol

[@00Fisher00]

Maybe! :) What do you think of the teachings illustrated in the video?

[@anonymousperson1952]

Nah lol im here cause my gf is christian

[@agabarogers5500]

BRETHREN, THE GRACE PERIOD IS STILL OPEN, LETS REPENT AND TURN BACK TO GOD. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU NOLONGER HAVE CHANCE. TOMORROW MAY NEVER COME. THE TIME IS NOW. PRAYING FOR THE DEAD OR BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR FATE. WHEN YOU DIE, YOUR BOOK OF EARTHLY LIFE IS CLOSED AND SHALL BE OPENED AT THE JUDGEMENT DAY. Behold i saw the son of man coming in the clouds in great glory, to judge the living and the dead, each one according to their DEEDS.

[@monocuco818]

1 Peter 3 and 4 say otherwise. The dead are taught the gospel even as we speak. The judgement is not yet, but will come soon, so yes, repent, because you can't say that when you are dead you will all of a sudden have a different personality and be ready to accept Christ, even though you will be taught the gospel there as well. But don't delay until the judgement, prepare before.

[@tautifaimoanaahching5799]

Peter in the Bible believed in this, is that make him a false apostle

[@tautifaimoanaahching5799]

I see God's Justice in doing this, Jesus was baptize to fulfill all righteousness, and he taught except a man born of water and of the spirit ye cannot enter the kingdom of God

[@danielabatabogdanov8586]

Why you say God created this ? It's you yourself

[@monocuco818]

The doctrine is found in the Bible. 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4 speak of Christ preaching the gospel to the dead. These will be judged, but must receive His gospel first. This is the work we are doing, which Christ began during the days in which His body was dead.

[@josiaszewdie5668]

Do NOT be deceived READ THE GOSPELS IN THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELVES and ask GOD TO REVEAL THE TRUTH TO YOU! Only JESUS SAVES NOT RELIGION!

[@00Fisher00]

Jesus established religion when He was here on Earth by calling men to do His work on Earth. This is laid out clearly in the New Testament.

[@monocuco818]

Jesus can only save you if you accept Him. You can only do this through belief and faith on His name, repent on His name, be baptized by fire and by water and then continue with continuing repentance and faith. If you do not these things then Christ's Grace cannot save you because you have rejected it.

[@africanchild5719]

God is not God of the dead but of the living...

[@00Fisher00]

Your thought is incomplete. In Luke 20:38, Jesus said, "For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him." God is the God of all, and those who have died are not lost to Him because their spirits continue and because of Jesus Christ, all will be resurrected. Again, we read in Romans 14:8-9, "For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living." That's why Jesus ensured that the dead were taught (see 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4) and why we do proxy work in temples for the dead.

[@johnsmith-qe2fd]

Mormon kids are mean, when i was in the boyscouts 30 years ago, the bishop said I couldn’t be in their troop unless I converted. I had to call my dad to come pick me up from his house, i was embarrassed and sad.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi @John smith, we're sad to hear about your experience. Mormons or LDS Church members, properly referred to as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, are Christian. One of our most basic beliefs and teachings is that every single individual on earth is a beloved son or daughter of God, worthy of love and respect. We strive to follow Jesus Christ's instruction to love one another as He loves us. We believe Jesus Christ is our Savior, we revere the Bible as the word of God, and we believe the Book of Mormon to be another testament of Jesus Christ. You or others interested can learn more about our beliefs here: www.comeuntochrist.org/beliefs

[@00Fisher00]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience. When I was a kid, I knew people my troop that weren't members of the Church, and as an adult I served for a while as a scoutmaster and a young man participated with us who also wasn't a member of the Church. There's never been a formal requirement, to my knowledge.

[@nbhatti51ify]

How many proxies a one person can make for how many dead people?

[@00Fisher00]

There's no limit; as research our family history we sometimes find many deceased relatives who have not had their ordinances performed. We attend to them individually. It's common for people to bring a single relative's name or a group.

[@_LSW]

So my understanding on baptism is that its a way of showing your love for Jesus because you want to have a declaration of letting go of the old stuff, starting a new chapter in your life with God and its for believing the Gospel and have repented. I don't think its cool that they have use a stand in for a dead person who has never been baptized before have them be starting at age 12. If the dead person when they were alive never wanted a baptism or never had one then don't give them one after they have died. It was there choice not yours before they were dead. There should be only baptism and that should be be for believing in the Gospel, have repented, and sharing your love for Jesus. And you should be able to get baptized in anything you want in any body of water.

[@churchofjesuschrist]

Hi there, thanks for your question. Jesus Christ taught that “except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). For those who have passed on without the ordinance of baptism, proxy baptism for the deceased is a free will offering performed by Latter-day Saints in temples around the world. According to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject such a baptism - the offering is freely given and must be freely received. See the link below for more information explaining the practice of baptisms for the dead: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_We hope that helps answer your question!

[@_LSW]

@@churchofjesuschrist Okay, but the person is already dead and it was their choice to get baptized or not have one. So basically you are making the choice for them already even tho they made the choice in their life before they died. Why go against someone else's choice tho. "For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of eternal life is in Jesus Christ Our Lord." Meaning I did not have to get baptized in order to get into Heaven because Jesus shed his blood for me so I don't have to sin anymore because Jesus's blood on the cross did that for me and that also means by him dying on the cross for my sins also gets me a free ticket in heaven without doing anything to earn it. Its called the Gospel go look it up actually learn something.

[@_LSW]

and is their personal relationship with God on what they think is best for them not for someone else to choose for them.

[@00Fisher00]

@@_LSW The choice is always up to them whether they accept the proxy baptism or not. If we did not perform proxy baptisms, that is when they actually would not have the choice. Many, many people have lived without even knowing about Jesus Christ; many people genuinely didn't have any opportunity to be baptized in the proper manner by someone with God's authority. In other cases, they may have had some opportunity, but we don't try to judge them. Instead, we render a service for them by proxy in case they do want to accept it. I hope that helps.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏

[@ReeisLive]

Then what's the point of Hell? Wouldn't everyone that is dead want to live again? And to live again you have to believe in Jesus Christ. So all the dead would choose to be baptized and resurrected sounds like an Egyptian practice

[@monocuco818]

It isn't exactly like that. You see when Christ was crucified, He told one of the thieves that they would go to "paradise." But that doesn't mean they went to "heaven." So Christ and this thief die, and they go to "paradise." BUT when Christ resurrects on the third day what does He say to Mary? "touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to the Father." So He went to paradise, which is a place for the spirits that were good and those who believed in christ. "Hell" or "prison" is this same spirit world, but contains the spirits of people who did evil in this world or who rejected Christ. 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4 teach us that when Christ went here, He preached the gospel to those who were dead, and in prison. In other words, the gospel was preached and is being taught to those who are dead, just like those who are alive. Which means that many people still have not heard the gospel and many have still rejected it. Christ is doing His work here as well as in the spirit world to bring ALL of His children to Him. In the Book of Mormon it talks about this, saying we can't assume that we can be sinful and not accept the gospel in this life and in the next we will just be completely different and ready to accept it. It will still be challenging, if not more challenging to accept the gospel. This is what the Book of Mormon says: Alma 34: 32-34 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, whic is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed. Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world." In other words, we are the same in this life, whether dead or alive. We need to believe in Christ now. But that doesn't mean we won't have the opportunity after this life to accept it.

[@c_lake]

In good standing lol the Bible says No one is good. Mark 10:17-22 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. ‘Good teacher,’ he asked, ‘what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘Why do you call me good?’ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good - except God alone.

[@00Fisher00]

Those are two different things, and neither is something to laugh about.

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

Nowhere in the bible does it say we have to baptize the dead, Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for him who are all alive. John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them, even so, the Son quickeneth who he will. This is Jesus' job and no other.

[@00Fisher00]

Members of the restored Church of Jesus Christ don't rely exclusively on the Bible, but in it we do find 1 Corinthians 15:29. Luke 20:38 in the KJV reads, "For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him." That means that work we do for the physically dead or alive is equivalently important. Christ Himself went to Spirit World while dead to ensure that the dead in Spirit Prison were taught. The work we do for the dead comes before their resurrection.

[@miemartine7771]

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

[@monocuco818]

Read 1 Peter 3 and 4. Christ Himself taught the dead, must care for them as much as He cares for us!