Baptists: Southern vs Primitive vs Free Will

[@ReArmApologetics]

Great video! As a Free Will Baptist I just wanted to say that we do indeed afirm Total Depravity as others have said. We are generally Reformed Arminians. We embrace the 5 Solas of the Reformation and Total Depravity of man, the General Atonement of Christ, Resistible Grace, Conditional Election, and Conditional Preservation of the Saints. Soli Deo Gloria!

[@Mulerider4Life]

We need more SBC comparisons to other denominations :)

[@janeyue7491]

We need more comparison with Primitive Baptist

[@calebfielding6352]

I am surprised he did not compare SBC to independent baptist since IFB churches came out of southern baptist churches, and its not exactly uncommon for a guy to pastor one then the other in their lifetime.

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

@@calebfielding6352 Not all OFB churches came out of SBC.

[@b213videoz]

SBC was formed to keep its sІаve-owner members happy. This video failed to tell you that.

[@samuelburkholder1316]

Glad I found this video Josh! Here in MO we have several primitive Baptist churches (usually small, secluded country churches) around us and I’ve always wondered what they believe.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Hey, glad you found it helpful!

[@SM-iw3pu]

which part of Missouri do you live in? When I visit the USA, I visit Nort New Garden PBC, Excelsior springs, MO, it's north of Kansas City.

[@philipmorgan5500]

The thing I like about this particular video is I can see my Baptist theological roots interwoven in those charts. Good job! 👍

[@dnaak]

Now may the Holy Spirit guide you to look even farther than your Baptist theological roots and find your Catholic theological roots. Even more foundational than the roots you find in your Baptist theology. The Trinity, Jesus Wholly God and Wholly Man, Jesus Son of God, Jesus materially existing vs being an image (Docetism) - these are just a few of the things that you believe but had to be fought theologically through the early Catholic Church. God bless you on your journey. As John Cardinal Newman, a staunch anti-Catholic before searching the history of Christianity prior to his conversion to Catholicism, once said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." Blessed be God. Blessed be His Holy Name. Blessed be Jesus Christ, True God and True Man. Blessed be the name of Jesus. Blessed be His Most Sacred Heart. Blessed Be His Most Precious Blood. Blessed be the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete. Blessed be God in His Angels and in his Saints. Amen.

[@hermes8258]

Wow - I like the way you simplify and chart! I wish my religious studies teacher in the 1980s at university had been so succinct and not just able but *willing* to do hard comparisons.

[@counterstrifekid]

as a Baptist, I think that Abstinence from Alcohol as part of the denomination is funny. Jesus quite literally made wine as one of his miracles and only is against drunkenness.

[@IluvYahweh]

The wine Jesus made is not comparable to today’s wine. Wine paste mixed with/ 3 parts water was a regular beverage in Jesus’ day. The water alone was not very healthy to drink. Let the H.S. be your guide, as for me, all I desire is Jesus, Jesus, Jesus and a drink of wine would alter my focus on Jesus.

[@alexlugibihl2915]

Eh its more so to clearly separate for the the whole all is lawful but don't cause others to stumble

[@JohnDoe-vf2es]

@@IluvYahweh Where in the text does it say this? In Deut 14 it says if an Israelite wasn’t able to make it to the temple to make a sacrifice, they could sell it and buy whatever they wanted, specifically including wine and “strong drink” and have a celebration. Psalm 104 says that God causes wine to gladden the hearts of men. How do you understand these passages?

[@brianrich7828]

@@IluvYahwehYeah, they were partying on grape juice. Not, wine has always been wine. Period.

[@IluvYahweh]

@@brianrich7828 If I were to drink today’s wine, I would be “buzzed” after one glass. For me, I choose not to partake in anything that will affect my decision making.

[@mydejaynes]

Amazing video!

[@brendaboykin3281]

Fantastic pace of dropping videos. Thanks, Joshua. 🌹🌹🌹

[@a.k.7840]

Short and to the point. Good job! My father's mother was a Free Will Baptist to the core. She and I tangled on whether abstaining from alcohol was Biblical.

[@randywheeler3914]

I'm a free will baptist...my church teaches that any alcohol consumption is a sin, however I believe the Bible teaches that getting drunk is a sin...either way I'm a former alcoholic so any amount of alcohol for me would be bad

[@paulwheeler3723]

@@randywheeler3914 although we’re no earthly relation, I’m glad to hear you’re my heavenly brother. I pray that you keep up the good fight for your sobriety and you be blessed beyond measure.

[@randywheeler3914]

@@paulwheeler3723 thanks brother

[@alexlugibihl2915]

I go to a Baptist church. And. I know many teach abstinence from alcohol to avoid causing anyone who may have struggled with alcoholism from struggling.

[@Jsmith2024]

This is a great format for the comparisons. Thanks

[@Karltheknight]

My Great-great-great-great-great-great-great Grandfather was a Free Will Baptist Minister from a small town in upstate New York during the 19th century.

[@sallyjom-cooper470]

These have been so wonderful thank you

[@jack.orn97]

Do a video on Independent Fundamental Baptists and similar denominations

[@DougFlair]

IFB are slightly difficult, in that they have no formal structure, and beliefs may vary from church to church. Typically KJV, Young Earth, Bible inerrant, men only pastors and deacons, baptism by immersion after belief, no alchohol, etc.

[@ronlanter6906]

Love your channel and content! I haven't seen anything from you about *"Particular"* Baptists, the *"Reformed"* Baptists. Have you done a video on that denomination or, if not, do you have plans too? I am a Particular Baptist and know that there's a few of us around. Thanks for sharing all the information on denomination!

[@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578]

I think he recently made a video. You may want to check again. If he hasn't, he probably will in the future.

[@ronlanter6906]

@@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578 Thanks! It doesn't seem like he has yet.

[@caman171]

no Baptists are "Reformed". those calling themslevs that are neither Baptist nor Reformed. while Particular Baptists (Calvinistic) do believe in individual predestination, they reject covenant theology that teaches salvation rubs thru family lines, hierarchical church govt, infant baptism, and sacramental theology, all of which are required if you are to be "Reformed". if any Baptist accepts any of these, he is no longer Baptist

[@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578]

@@caman171 I've heard that before, that in order to be reformed you need to be more than just a TULIP believer. So Reformed Baptists are really just TULIP Baptists, is that what you're saying?

[@caman171]

@@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578 yes pretty much. "Reformed" churches carry a lot of Catholic baggage with their creeds (the Nicene Creed affirms baptismal regeneration, the Chalcedonian calls Mary the "mother of God)), hierarchy, sacramentalism, infant baptism etc. They teach that children of "elect" parents, are by default "elect". no true Baptist has ever taught that you can be saved based on who your parents are. these so called "Reformed" Baptists are teaching that, so they are not real Baptists. they want to be Presbyterian so bad they cant stand it, but they cant swallow infant baptism. however, if they ever join another church, it will def be Presbyterian, and they generally will not associate with other Baptists, but have no issue fellowshipping Presbyterians. they claim their beliefs are original to the Particular Baptists but they are wrong. The London Baptist Confession, which is the confessions Particular Baptists espoused, makes it clear that the individual must have faith for themselves. in my opinion, the "Reformed" churches do believe salvation is "conditional" upon being born "in the covenant"

[@frankhutto7751]

Thanks for this concise comparison.

[@alanmunroe8332]

😊SECOND work of Grace😊 Elder Daniel Parker spoke of a THIRD DOSE😊

[@nelsonstiveens5140]

Que tal comparación entre los diferentes bautistas: independientes, generales, particulares, reformados, libre albedrío, bapticostals, séptimo día, landamarkianos, primitivos, etc

[@BufoZilla]

I wish I had these comparison charts

[@brianmcnichols8092]

Thanks! I had never seen a primitive Baptist church until I moved to Huntsville Alabama. They are fairly common here and in my limited observation seem to be predominantly African American churches.

[@janeyue7491]

Would make more sense if he compared Primitive Baptist with Calvinism.

[@missionsbibleministry]

Great video! I just want to clarify that Free Will Baptists DO affirm Total Depravity. The main contention is whether grace is resistible or not. Also we do not officially teach that 10% of the member's income must be the firm amount of our offerings. We affirm an amount according to how God hath prospered the believer and he/she is willing to cheerfully give.

[@stlouislord28]

@Johnny Rep I’ve concluded that 10% is not required based on my understanding of New Testament scripture. I settled on 5% cause I didn’t want to give $0 but you can find ways to serve in different ways than monetary contributions. Like the OP said, give what you are willing to cheerfully. Don’t let tithing stop you from joining a church

[@EDD519]

@@stlouislord28 Jesus fulfilled the old law, and titheing was the old law !

[@bethanyheyde805]

I’m a Freewill Baptist and found this video very informative. I will say when it comes to our worship style, sometimes it feels a little what I call “bapticostal” 😂

[@theintrovertmedia8543]

Ready to Harvest do you have a video about the Seventh Day Baptist Church?

[@jenningsrountree458]

First Baptist in Aiken had a female deacon. A higher up in the SOUTH CAROLINA is divorced but remarried to Barbara Nix, the daughter of Rev. PAUL NIX, a Souther Baptist.minister who refused to perform the wedding. Many Southern Baptists are divorced and do drink.alcohol although the church is generally against it. I am glad I grew up.Southern Baptist as I have a fairly good knowledge of the Bible, but I could not compete with you. JOSHUA.

[@Treyz44]

I have been a Baptist my whole life been to quite a few churches. I have never even heard of feet washing as a practice

[@alexlugibihl2915]

Bro im a baptist and trying to find a church is rough. Cause you dont know if theyre calvinist or arminiest initially, and im neither, or inbetween i guess. Ive been to atleast one of all of these, and ive felt God working and conviction in all of them. I just try to find one closer to my beliefs cause calvinists often have a group of people who just assume their sin they should pray away insrltead of taking step to avoid situations where theyd sin, and praying for wisdom.

[@paulwheeler3723]

I’ve just learned about sanctification, so my question is how if these denominations believe inerrancy of the Bible, how can they not believe in sanctification?

[@robertsullivan4773]

Been looking for this one. Strange Baptists aren't as scary as I thought as a young Catholic boy I was afraid of them lol.

[@williamcupples3681]

Good job!

[@JB-70]

Would you have a comparison with SBC and Cooperative Baptist Fellowship?

[@ivanlee1087]

Have you heard of the New Independent Fundamental Baptist?

[@Daughter_of_the_MostHigh]

what is the second work of grace sanctification? what does that mean?

[@phogeysquatch]

I'm a Missionary Baptist, but the closest thing to us described on this channel is probably an Independent Baptist.

[@mattg3884]

Are you a old fashioned missionary Baptist? That what I am and have wanted to see this channel go over our beliefs. Super rare to run across someone of my own view especially on KZbin.

[@BeniaminZaboj]

What is this "Missionary Baptist" in diffrence of typical ones?

[@paddry69]

I was raised in a Landmark Missionary church.

[@EDD519]

@@paddry69 the difference between a Baptist Missionary ,and a Missionary Baptist ?

[@darth-umbrex]

I grew up in an independent Baptist church closest to freewill Baptist I don't miss it in the least.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Yeah same for me. I am now Southern Baptist.

[@KeenanThomas-jb5tq]

When you say that the churches accept and/or reject xyz etc. Are we talking excommunication? Or can you do a KZbin "sort" on denominations that excommunicate? I thought Catholics were the only denomination that will physically or officially bar a person from service.

[@momomuller1774]

Have you heard of Old Timey Footwashing Baptists? They mainly exist in the South now. (Once saved always saved, can only be saved once you're the age of accountability are "lost", plus only God can save you (anywhere, not just in a church) and you don't get saved by just "accepting Christ as your lord and savior" or just writing your name down. No predestination, and you can be saved no matter what religion you subscribe to) We kinda sound like Primitive but there are a lotttt of differences.

[@brianrich7828]

No matter what religion you can be saved? Sounds like universalism. If that’s what you’re referring to then that’s extremely heterodoxical/unbiblical.

[@EDD519]

@@brianrich7828 like John 3;16 ?

[@thetraditionalist]

interesting comparison

[@bibletruthholinesschurch]

What is a missionary Baptist Church?

[@landonham8726]

In my experience many Missionary Baptist churches have evolved into SBC. Missionary Baptist tend to be more old fashioned, KJV, closed communion, each church or association funds it’s own missionaries as opposed to SBC funneling funds through the convention. I could be wrong, but this has been my experience.

[@janeyue7491]

Missionary baptist church is part of the southern baptist. I will never go back there again.

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Deaconesses are not female deacons anymore than mothers are female fathers. Please use the correct term.

[@ordainedworld6530]

Pretty accurate.

[@SteffonGreatness]

The crazy part is these groups can be split into groups. There other free will Baptist groups I know here locally. United Freewill & Unison Freewill Baptist.

[@SteffonGreatness]

They are very charismatic.

[@eg8580]

@@SteffonGreatness interesting, thanks for sharing

[@DarenMontes]

Primitive Baptists do no affirm all 5 points of Augustinianism/Calvinism, we have our own tulip and so do they, however 3 of the points are similar

[@Daughter_of_the_MostHigh]

so after watching many of your videos I conclude i am a mixture of Charismatic, Pentecostal, Baptist, But i do not agree that people are preordained to be saved, and I so believe that people can walk away from salvation. But I do not consider myself a part of any denomination, More so just a follower of Christ.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

It's interesting how you keep referring to Salvation can be lost as the defining characteristic of Arminianism. Arminius himself never addressed it, when the Five Articles of Remonstrance were written after he died the fifth article was one they original said they unsure on. By the Council of Dort it had become more agreed upon but even today there are people who identify as Arminian while believing in Eternal Security. Also there is evidence many early General Baptists believed in Universal Salvation and they're who Gerrard Winstanley first got it from.

[@steelertalk]

which baptist church have hymn books

[@janeyue7491]

Primitive Baptist sings from hymn books!

[@BeniaminZaboj]

Someone can tell me what are the most influencal and famous preacher/scholars of those Primitive Baptis and Free Will Baptist Factions? Can someone from their churches can help me out to cheeck them out?

[@jeffryblair6816]

Leroy Forlines, Robert Picirilli, Stephen Ashby

[@BeniaminZaboj]

@@jeffryblair6816 Those are Primitive Baptist or Free Will Baptists?

[@jeffryblair6816]

@@BeniaminZaboj Free Will

[@wjolly1824]

Primitive Baptist here: David Pyles, Lasserre Bradley Jr, Issac Guess, Zach Guess, to name a few.. I would start with David Pyles if you are new to it

[@BeniaminZaboj]

@@wjolly1824 Hey, do you have messenger? I have many question for conversation about your church and beliefs.

[@caman171]

this video says 6% of SNC pastors believe you can apostotize. if there are churches in the SBC who believe you can lose your salvation, they would be disfellowshipped, as the Baptist Faith and Message (the confession of the SBC) is required to be a member church

[@ReadyToHarvest]

It's actually a poll from Lifeway research, the SBC's own organization, which found 5% of SBC pastors say a person can lose their salvation: www.lifeway.com/en/articles/research-sbc-pastors-polled-on-calvinism-affect-on-convention

[@caman171]

@@ReadyToHarvest the wording can be confusing. Some say that those who fall away, were "head believers" not actually being saved to begin with. Terms are tricky and depends on who is defining them. I myself, a lifelong Southern Baptist, have never heard of an SBC church that teaches you can lose genuine salvation. Some call me an Arminian for believing in general atonement, and some call me Calvinist for believing eternal security, I consider myself neither, and this is the mainstream of SBCers. If a church truly believes salvation can be lost, why would they be in the SBC rather that the Free Will Baptist Association? I (like you) have studied the history and beliefs of most denominations and churches. Did you know there are many Primitive Baptists who reject TULIP and believe in general atonement? Not all PB's are the hardshell type. Can you tell me how you came up with the number of 310 for PB churches? Is this number for hardshell churches only? The Eastern District Association combined with the Southern District PB Association, Hiwassee PB Association, and the Original Tennessee PB Association have a combined total of over 100 churches and none of them believe in predestination or that you can be saved without hearing the Gospel

[@jameswhitley4101]

I had no idea that primitive baptists are antinomianists

[@brittneyriggs3343]

My grandparents are primitive baptists and their church supports missions and are definitely not antinomian. They practice strict church discipline for those not living holy lives according to scripture. I was really shocked at how this was represented but maybe their church is an anomaly?

[@janeyue7491]

Deuteronomy 7:7 ‘The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:‘ so the Holy Spirit leads me to the Primitive Baptist!

[@RhenishHelm]

Ah yes, but what about the Southern Primitive Free Will Baptists, hmm?

[@DanielFranco-nt9ze]

I am Daniel Franco Jr and i am a Baptist Christian a Reborn Cristian once your Baptized when you know right from wrong is when you can be Baptized because if your have a baby and your babies dies 4 years old that baby goes to Heaven because their is no pergatorio this is Pergatorio you can go to Heaven or Hell but if you become a Reborn Cristian your forgiven from your past life you start reading a Bible 5 pages a day and in time you will know that you will become a Reborn Baptist Christian but you have to be baptized if not you go to hell

[@kwpctek9190]

Why do we not not call Calvinism by it's real name? (Augustinian Determinism) The 25 -year old writer of The Institutes plagiarized Augustine 4019 times according to counts provided by scholars close to Dr. Leigton Flowers and Ken Wilson.

[@gregb6469]

I would question the use of the term 'plagiarize', since there were no copyright laws back then. A more accurate description would be that both Augustine and Calvin saw the same truths in the Bible. Would you accuse them of plagiarizing Scripture?

[@kwpctek9190]

@@gregb6469 He confesses it to be so. As for that pair getting much truth from the Bible, that gives me a good laugh. Imagine that, a puppet God so impotent that He can't extend free-will so men truly become culpable.

[@robclark3095]

@@kwpctek9190 The way a Calvininst pastor put it was this. Men have free-will, but only the free-will to sin. A big problem with Arminianism that I have is the doctrine of lost salvation. The way that Calvinist pastor put it was this. Salvation is God's act, not man's. How can you lose something that isn't yours to begin with? There are too many verses that make the Arminian doctrine of losing your salvation very unbiblical.

[@a.k.7840]

@@kwpctek9190 Arminianism is the favorite whipping boy of calvinism, yet it actually has its roots in calvinism! I consider the debate between those two to be an in house debate among members of the same sect.

[@kwpctek9190]

@@robclark3095 Read your Bible. When we are in Christ Romans 5v1 says"we *have* peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." Salvation by god's Grace is a gift and when gifts are given they are possessions. We are in total quicksand when the message of his reconciliation given to all men was heard (2Co5v19) and received at the moment we repented (that's not our works, it's metanoia = a change of gnosis). God is omniscient and knows exactly when we change our mind now believing that He alone is efficacious to save to the uttermost. He does the saving and we receive it. Gift, gift, gift, gift, gift, gift, gift, gift.. can I spell it any other way? Calvinism places man under a debt-based performance system (do, do, do.. to keep, keep, keep, otherwise your pastor, who also sins, and calvo freinds judge you as lost). Please come out from this cult of Calvinism. If you're saved, PTL!! live in it, walk in it, thankful every day. I suggest you absorb the big picture at Grace Ambassadors in something called "Chart lesson - Romans" so you can see what God has done through the ages. This is great for kinesthetic learners too.

[@gregb6469]

Primitive soteriology is fatalism. It goes beyond hyper-Calvinism.

[@joenettles5312]

Only a tiny contingent of those identified as PB teach fatalism, and they are dying fast understandably. Primitive Baptists teach that the purpose of God in eternally saving his elect is immutable, superintended by the Father, who placed his beloved elect from among fallen humanity in covenant bond with his Son, who willingly came to represent the elect perfectly in a sinless life, acceptable death, redeeming blood. The merits of that predetermined death of Christ will be vitally applied to each of the elect sometime during their lives by the monergistic work of the Holy Spirit in regeneration. Those will definitely be in heaven totally due to the love, grace, work, and sovereign purpose of the Triune Lord. While the elect, blessed objects of this redemptive work do not receive it as a result of any work, choice, or response on their parts, there are still choices abounding in their lives which do afresh their experience of salvation while living here below on Earth. Some refer to these deliverances as gospel, time, or temporal salvation. These blessings (which only the eternally saved and regenerated children can experience) are to an extent dependant on obedient choices and conscious efforts through their Spirit-given faith toward God. The greatest of these temporal deliverance (salvations) is being justified by faith under the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the resultant peace we experience with God in our hearts.

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

Quitters start out as fakers, that's my view. People disappoint me, but Jesus never fails.

[@ericschlaefer7834]

I wonder why he doesn't cover the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in his content

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

many people do not consider them a protestant denomination. Their theology about the trinity, virgin birth, afterlife, scriptures, etc are sufficiently different to put them in a different category.

[@a.k.7840]

They're considered to be a non-Christian cult by the majority of Christian churches. That's probably why they're not included.

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

@@a.k.7840 Would be interesting to hear his report on them though

[@a.k.7840]

@@wendyleeconnelly2939 depending on how much he covered, it might come off as more of a fantasy novel than as Biblical teaching.

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

@@a.k.7840 He's good at objective presentation... so it wouldn't come off the way it did in South Park

[@BCYT-14]

As a FWB, this is true. But I have seen women pastors!

[@jhoughjr1]

Gotta love baptist logic.

[@Robespierre-lI]

It's really screwy

[@willmooneyham6659]

Sbc doesn’t believe the Bible is inerrant

[@andyontheinternet5777]

really? I've never heard that before. Everyone I've ever known from the SBC believed in inerrancy.

[@willmooneyham6659]

@@andyontheinternet5777 they believe the word of God is inerrant but that we don’t have it in its true form. They have changed the Bible they believe a few times

[@andyontheinternet5777]

@@willmooneyham6659 What do you mean? Are you talking about textual issues with the source text for English translations?

[@willmooneyham6659]

@@andyontheinternet5777 yes

[@andyontheinternet5777]

@@willmooneyham6659 I can explain the text critical stuff in detail if you really want. It gets dry and academic, though. Let me summarize by saying there are several early sources used in modern translations with slight variations on non essential doctrines (mostly divergent spellings of names). You have no reason to doubt the reliability of any major English translation imo. The one exception is the New World Translation used by the Jehovah's Witnesses, which significantly varies from other translations in order to support their teachings (it's a mistranslation).

[@ReformationHomested]

Since Calvin believed in missions (his church sent numerous missionary’s to France and a couple to Brazil) and Calvin taught that repentance is a necessary result of faith, I don’t think it’s fair to call the Independent Baptists “Calvinist”. I think you could say that they accept the 5-points of Dordt on the surface level.

[@janeyue7491]

The Primitive Baptist doesn’t agree with the 5th point of Calvinist, so I wonder why people still associate them with calvinists.

[@UncleWally3]

With all respect and with no ill intent, why are so many Baptists faithful to Donald Trump?

[@IluvYahweh]

He beats any alternative that has run against him. More lined up with Christian values, but I believe I’m beginning to see him weakening on our values/beliefs. 😢

[@UncleWally3]

@@IluvYahweh Could you tell me with what Christian values Don Trump is aligned?

[@IluvYahweh]

1) against murdering innocent people in the womb “thou shalt not kill” 2) For freedom of religion “thou shalt worship the Lord thou God only”. The liberals are getting to the point that Christians will lose this freedom. 3) Less government control. Allows us as Christians more freedom to live out God’s word 4) He believes God created people male and female. I could go on. We’re not to judge anyone of their past. That’s between them and the Lord.

[@andyontheinternet5777]

He was a lot better than the guy we got now

[@janeyue7491]

Primitive baptist teaches salvation by grace. The other two teaches salvation by works.

[@samm3561]

You should educate yourself before making errant claims. Both Primitive Baptists and Southern Baptists believe in salvation by grace. The fundamental difference is that Southern Baptists believe in sharing the gospel with the lost and the Primitive Baptists typically preach to their churches and do not actively preach or share the gospel with unbelievers. As stated in section V of the SBC Baptist Faith and Message: “Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which He regenerates, justifies, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. It is consistent with the free agency of man, and comprehends all the means in connection with the end. It is the glorious display of God’s sovereign goodness, and is infinitely wise, holy, and unchangeable. It excludes boasting and promotes humility. All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end”.

[@janeyue7491]

I used to be a southern baptist, and I assure you that they teaches that you must do the ABC (Admit, Believe, and Confess) in order to ‘obtain eternal salvation.’ It wasn’t until a Primitive Baptist who has corrected me that those are evidence that he has saved His chosen people, the elect before the foundation of the world, and not the cause. So I do know that PB teaches sovereignty by grace, but SBC teaches by works.

[@eg8580]

@@janeyue7491 This helped me understand the PB view of 'works' kzbin.info/www/bejne/paG7dp9_bZZ2pcU , which is interesting.

[@mdpolkboy]

That is not correct

[@lindickison3055]

Not by works - lest you should boast....

[@setheasler9470]

Primitive Baptist are not Calvinist, they are hyperCalvinist. The Reformed tradition has separated and condemned hypercalvinism as heresy.

[@janeyue7491]

Primitive Baptists do not agree on the 5th point. It is persevered, not perseverance!

[@dwashington1333]

@@janeyue7491 its preservation for P in TULIP not perserverance

[@user-hg4nm6nf8g]

God is not interested in any denominational worshipers. God is interested in His children, people that worship the one true God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God does not care about man made rules and ideas.

[@polemeros]

The dizzying complexity of all the Protestant groups is enough to give one vertigo and a headache. Your diligence about the denominations will doubtless shorten your time in Purgatory.

[@trevorkinman1946]

You can't shorten something that doesn't exist

[@peachsangria8704]

Baptists were never Protestants

[@polemeros]

@@peachsangria8704 Dream on.

[@peachsangria8704]

@@polemeros learn something.

[@essafats5728]

@Sherrie 🌹 Lynn right! Our limited finite human brain can't handle it

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

I like churches with Bible as a middle name, stick with the basics.

[@1purapericulo]

Eww I don’t like feet washing

[@acekoala457]

Not a Protestant but that's the point

[@wjolly1824]

That's the point of it, Jesus did it with his disciples to show humility.. The God of Heaven was willing to wash our dirty feet and we should be willing to do the same for our other Brothers and sisters in Christ..

[@wjolly1824]

So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, “Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.” John 13:12-17.

[@shana8055]

Yo when couples do it at weddings….🫣 Like, I love the symbolism but couldn’t we do communion or something that doesn’t involve sweaty bare feet in public???