Southern Baptists, Cooperative Baptists, and Regular Baptists Compared

[@GregoryBirulkin]

Your subject matter and channel are so important! Keep it going and God bless! Amen

[@ronald3419]

Well done. I was in SBC churches in SC and NC for decades but about a dozen years ago I became part of a CBF leaning congregation. Your video hits it right on the SBC-CBF differences.

[@johngalt5166]

My father was a Southern Baptist pastor and member of the CSBC (California Southern Baptist Convention) state board, and I will say with like one or two exceptions both myself and my father believe just about everything stated as a Southern Baptist Doctrine in this video. However I will add that the church is mostly decentralized, meaning that there is a lot of wiggle room for what people believe and as long as a Church sticks to the General basis a minister or church body can emphasize different ideas, making it a very “location dependent” experience, for better or worse.

[@MidlandTexan]

aye. I grew up in a Methodist Episcopal / Baptist tradition, depending if we were in New Jersey with my mother's family or in lower Alabama with my father's family. As the UMC drifted to the left, I walked to the SBC.

[@grangermontag1824]

I already watched the denomination-specific videos on these 3, and I still learned something in this video

[@joeroszelle6647]

Really good videos. Been enjoying them. I wanted to ask if you would consider making a video on Missionary Baptist Churches. Such as the .. American Baptist Association, The,, Baptist Missionary Association, and the,, Faithway Missionary Baptist association. Thanks, And God bless.

[@zackattack366]

Would love a video on the NAB, North American Baptist. It is bi-national: USA and Canada. It has a fun origin story.

[@joshuaneace6597]

I know one that is dually affiliated in NAB and SBC.

[@zackattack366]

@@joshuaneace6597 fascinating didn’t know that

[@GermanShepherd1983]

I too would like to see a video on the NAB. It's a wonderful conference.

[@Mulerider4Life]

I would say there are more Calvinists in the SBC than people realize.

[@InvestmentJoy]

What's odd to me is pretty much all baptists I knew growing up were calvinist. Only as an adult did I meet baptists who were not solid 5 point calvinists. Now I go to a Baptist church and I have yet to meet a 5 point calvinist here.

[@Mulerider4Life]

@@InvestmentJoy oh wow! And also love your videos! Had no idea you watched this channel as well.

[@kelslo74]

Not really, we went to a SBC for a couple years. Getting too worldly for me.

[@Mulerider4Life]

@@kelslo74 Ehh depends on the church you go to I guess. Too many self righteous Reformed Baptists I have seen.

[@jameswhitley4101]

What I've percieved is that Calvinism is a minority in the SBC, but sizable enough to be technically a mainstream idea. But you'll be hard pressed to find someone who denies Perseverance of the Saints (better known in Baptist circles as Once Saved Always Saved). Most Southern Baptists exist somewhere in that range

[@justamannn8674]

Such a cool channel! Ty!

[@dennistoufexis5790]

Great work as usual! So informative and so well presented.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Thanks Dennis!

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thanx, Brother Joshua. 🌹🌹🌹

[@donnyopry5403]

Future video suggestion. The American Baptist Association ABA plus the landmark doctrine

[@jenningsrountree458]

I think First Baptist in Aiken is in both the SBC and the CBF.

[@Michael-bk5nz]

I am amazed you know all this stuff, I imagine you probably do hours of research before making a video, but you seem so authoritative that it seems like it is all off the top of your head

[@Toetalwar]

I wish more churches would put "regular" in their name

[@AF-tv6uf]

I wish more would put 'irregular' in their names. I'm like 'C'mon, be a rebel!'

[@iagoofdraiggwyn98]

@@AF-tv6uf heh, make it coooler. "Hetrodoxical"

[@mikeconnor4736]

I was a member of a GARBC church in Enfield Connecticut for 23 years and we were 5 point Calvinist the whole time...fyi.

[@ronkenney2929]

I also know of a GARBC that is Calvinist. But most probably are not..

[@mikeconnor4736]

@@ronkenney2929 we had a joke, not totally a joke but humorous and true, and it was this question, are Baptists calvinists? Answer is, the Smart Ones are LOL.

[@thetraditionalist]

Interesting comparsion once again

[@jordanhampton7144]

Thank you for this!

[@amrosh791]

By your definition of denomination in this video IFB deserves a spot on this comparison

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Oh, I'll definitely include them at some point, but these videos are always just 3 denominations. I can't compare all 20+ major Baptist denominations in the US in one video.

[@allisvanity...9161]

@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you for your informative videos. What sources do you recommend for learning about different Baptist denominations?

[@jpbalson]

Good information, though it’s incorrect to say that GARBC are not Calvinistic. It’s true that the majority aren’t, but some definitely are, and historically the term “Regular” originally meant Calvinist. If you want to read more I’d recommend “Are Baptists Calvinists?” By Kenneth Good

[@John3.36]

You should do a video on Independent Baptists.

[@davidfrischknecht8261]

I grew up in a GARB church.

[@davidstafford10]

So how is it even possible for the SBC to be okay with practicing freemasonry

[@dicknig1054]

Because they are heretics. Return to the Mother Church. ☦️✝️

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

@@dicknig1054 Mother of harlots more like it.

[@BeranM]

In the 18th and 19th centuries, a man would have to profess his belief in Jesus Christ (not just God) to become a member of the Grand Lodges of Sweden, Denmark, and Germany. I'm not aware of that every being requisite at any point in the history of American lodges. Much of it had to do with rifts between Ancient (Operative) masons and Modern (Speculative) masons. I know Anabaptists would be opposed to Freemasonry as oaths are involved. That would include the Blue Lodge degrees, the Scottish and York Rites, Shriners, Royal Arch, etc. People acting under the names of Christianity, Catholicism, or Freemasonry do plenty of good, positive things for people and society, but there are rotten apples operating within every institution. It's just the way the world works. Separate the wheat from the chaff. That's all you can do.

[@zachdavenport8509]

I don't think SBC has (at least anytime recently) endorsed freemasons. But the way SBC is set up, very little is required to be a member. SBC churches are not required to affirm the SBC doctrinal statement and the actual beliefs of the churches are not officially regulated for the most part. They are however required to give money to support SBC's missions efforts, seminaries, etc. which all do affirm the SBC doctrinal statement, so that keeps churches that oppose baptist doctrine from being members. That said, there are a few presbyterian churches in SBC. So likely all that it means for SBC to be "okay" with freemasonry is that no one has seen it as a big enough issue to bring up at the yearly convention and produce a formal statement on.

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

@@zachdavenport8509 If a saved Christian belongs to a Babylonish masonic lodge or any sort of oathbound secret society, that is disobedience and they need to come out from among them and be separate.

[@jay144k]

I would say that historically Garb has taken a strong stance on many of these things, but recently there are some people in the churches who have differing views on some positions here that I would consider secondary. Like alcohol use. While most garb churches take a stronge stance against it, I know many people in garb churches who have no problem with drinking in moderation. And while I only know a few who hold to all the points of Calvinism, it is fairly common to have a garb member hold to a few of the points. I would also say that while giving to the Church is definitely looked upon as a good thing. Tithing (which implies 10% giving) is generally not taught (or at least in the churches I have gone to). I also have never heard of Freemasonry even brought up in the church at all.

[@sweetpeach3649]

Some future video Ideas Alliance of Baptists World Missionary Society Church of God Christadelphian Church

[@daveb9342]

This Is Fun Stuff. I Like It. It's Like Doing A Word Search In The Comics Page Of A Newspaper Or The Crypto-Quotes.

[@tomanthony3943]

Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and Alliance of Baptist Churches both came from the SBC's conservative push in the 80s and 90s. CBF sought to fill a role of not taken many hard lines, so conservative, moderate and progressive Churches can all fit in. Alliance takes a much more progressive stance, requiring member Churches to be open and affirmating to the LGBTQ+ community and allowing women in all roles of ministry.

[@seansweeney8911]

A few thoughts on Mainline Protestantism: many such churches, while believing in God, deny the existence of certain things mentioned in the Bible: for example, that God created the world within a week, that Adam and Eve were living people etc. My question is, if they accept that there is a God in Heaven, how then can they possibly deny the truth of ‘lesser’ things, like those mentioned? For if there is a God ( and I believe there is ), surely all those other things should be, and are, true as well? The problem is that the likes of the United Church of Christ ( UCC ), Evangelical Lutheran Church in America ( ELCA ) and even this Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, are intent on pleasing the world, and not God. You either believe the Bible in Its entirety or needn’t believe it at all. Hopefully, the grand Southern Baptist Convention will not bow to these trends, most of its everyday congregants around the country certainly don’t want that. Make sure that good, sound ministers are presented to congregations, and keep the seminaries liberal free to accomplish this!

[@johngalt5166]

I’m a Southern Baptist and until the day the apostate Church comes, hopefully my church will stand strong.

[@m4641]

I agree with you on that one point. Either all of it matters or none of it matters. My opinion of course.

[@joefrescoln]

Belief in a creator God and full accent to the holy scriptures are different things, for one, because the holy scriptures require interpretation. Maybe you mean "How could someone believe in the God of the bible and yet not believe the bible?"

[@MAMoreno]

It's pretty simple: a literal reading of the opening chapters of Genesis has been proven to be irreconcilable with actual historical and scientific data. Therefore, the proper theological reading of the text (the one that doesn't require it to be thrown out by the faith community as mere folklore) is an allegorical reading that recognizes the symbolic meaning of the characters and setting. It is still holy scripture and a reliable source of sound doctrine, even though it cannot be read literally if it is to be read responsibly.

[@breannawilliamson9787]

There actually a lot of SBC churches that have female deacons. You might be thinking of elders.

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

Regular Baptists would be by far the soundest and most Biblically faithful of the 3. The CBF are flat out compromisers and could be barely called evangelical. The GARBC on the other hand are one of the better expressions of American evangelicalism. The SBC are a mixed multitude pretty much. Some good individual fellowships, some not so good but the worst have gone over to the CBF.

[@johngalt5166]

Ya my father is a pastor for a Southern Baptist Church, and I can say it is very decentralized with different beliefs highlighted depending on the church, however with like 1 or 2 exceptions my church would argue in favor of most of the things presented as Southern Baptist in this video

[@rubenaesparza]

Let's dig into the Mormons.

[@SariwangKamao]

Ah, Baptists. I grew up Baptist, then had a hedonistic semi-agnostic phase in my young adulthood, then converted to Orthodoxy

[@allisvanity...9161]

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44 ESV 1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1 ESV 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." Romans 10:9-11 ESV 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10 ESV

[@allisvanity...9161]

1 In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah, king of Israel, Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah. 3 And he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, according to all that David his father had done. 4 He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan). 5 He trusted in the Lord, the God of Israel, so that there was none like him among all the kings of Judah after him, nor among those who were before him. 6 For he held fast to the Lord. He did not depart from following him, but kept the commandments that the Lord commanded Moses. 7 And the Lord was with him; wherever he went out, he prospered. He rebelled against the king of Assyria and would not serve him. 8 He struck down the Philistines as far as Gaza and its territory, from watchtower to fortified city. -2 Kings 18:1-8 ESV 9 And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God." 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God." For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. -Revelation 19:10 ESV 3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. -1 Timothy 2:3-6 ESV

[@j.johnson8360]

I think its a generation thing.

[@RonPaulPeace]

That was also me. "Orthodox but didn't know it."

[@andrewlisalundstrom4347]

You need to add Converge Worldwide to this video.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

I have an upcoming video on Converge along with some comparisons! I tend to only do 3 denominations in each video.(There are over 20 major Baptist denominations in the US)

[@andrewlisalundstrom4347]

@@ReadyToHarvest I completely understand. I love your videos.

[@nathanweisser]

One of these is not like the other

[@tdsuddreth]

They actually have "REGULAR" in their logo? Lol. That's ok as long as they love Jesus.

[@unit2394]

CBF churches are the most liturgical Baptist churches I have seen. I have seen them often have vestments, paraments, acolytes, corporate confession, organs, large choirs. I have seen one with a split chancel. That is pretty much the best thing they have going for them. That and they accept other modes of Baptism and aren’t opposed to the term Sacrament.

[@dougsexton3217]

Just ran across this video... GA Regular BC - Regular = Calvinistic

[@rhythmnation2004]

I am Cooperative Baptist, but I was raised Southern Baptist. Our church definitely believes the virgin birth, literal death and resurrection of Jesus. Most baptisms are done by immersion but they offer sprinkling as a choice. We are definitely not cessationist.

[@phogeysquatch]

If they don't believe in Landmarkism, do they think their denomination was just started by some random dude? If that's the case, why would they put any stock in a church that Jesus didn't establish?

[@phogeysquatch]

@@johnmarquardt1991 No?

[@jameswhitley4101]

Unlike the traditional Apostolic denominations, like Catholics or Orthodox, Baptists don't believe there was meant to be a strict hirerarchy passed down from the early days, so their confidence isn't in apostolic succession. They are Protestants, and thus believe in Sola Scriptura-- truth and authority are hinged upon fidelity to Scripture alone. Protestants were convinced that the Catholic Church's tradition was no longer faithful to the teachings of Christ recorded in Scripture, so they started reforming and got kicked out of the Catholic Church for it. Baptists were English separatists, influenced by anabaptists, who split of from Anglicanism because they did not believe the Church of England rightly taught the Word of God. The Baptist denomination thus descends from Anglicanism, then Catholicism, and then on to the Early Church. The Gospel and the Word of God have been thus passed to them, and that is enough for them.

[@bobbytutton3270]

@@jameswhitley4101 Actually, many Baptists do not believe they are Protestants. Joshua - they might be an interesting video!

[@jdmbraceyourself695]

Landmark Baptist Bride believer

[@j.johnson8360]

The SBC isn’t a denomination. It’s a convention.

[@richardsaintjohn8391]

He knows that

[@bobbytutton3270]

Check the dictionary - there are two definitions of denomination - and if you saw the first moment of the video - Joshua explained the use of the word denomination.