Barbara Forrest: The Woman Texas Creationists Don't Like#1

[@wgbutler777]

Ughhh....there's two minutes of my life that I can never get back...

[@utubejvs3]

"So, at present, we are left with neo-Darwinian theory: that evolution has occurred, and has been directed mainly by natural selection, with random contributions from genetic drift, and perhaps the occasional hopeful monster. In this form, the theory is not scientific by Popper's standards. Indeed, Popper calls the theory of evolution not a scientific theory but 'a metaphysical research programme'." *Colin Patterson, Evolution (1978), p. 149.

[@utubejvs3]

19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.21 the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodiesRomans 8:19,21-22

[@RuddyIPA]

@eurodele How are things in the Bronze Age, what's the weather like?

[@limbopete]

Oh look- more quote mining. This sentence is a gem: "...and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an unproved theory" Once again, quote mining out of date works that lead to logic fallacies ( in this case equivocation) As for the second quote, i'm having some difficulty finding it. Can you cite a link for the page you took these quotes off of? Thanks a bunch.

[@CHAS1422]

BayerLexan Actually I should have said integral calculus. This is the study of summation of incremental changes. Derivitive calculus on the other hand, is a study of rates of change...Oh yeah, so is evolution! I guess they both apply. I also struggled with first year calculus but it suddenly clicked, and I began to understand. It helps to get a tutor, who also was once tutored by someone who was once tutored and so on...

[@majinspy]

@Bleazy225 You have first hand knowledge? I'm almost positive you don't, please share it.

[@QuietThought]

"Second, the 1st Amendment does not exclude God from public classrooms." This is correct. You may, as a citizen, pray or otherwise practice your religion in a public space as long as it does not interfere with other people going about their business. However, that is not the point of this clip. Teachers who are public employees violate the constitution when they promote religion to their students. Creationism is canon to a particular religious faction and a teacher cannot promote it in class.

[@utubejvs3]

"Just as pre-Darwinian biology was carried out by people whose faith was in the Creator, post-Darwinian biology is being carried out by people whose faith is in the deity of Darwin. They've seen their task as to elaborate his theory and to fil the gaps it,... In a way some aspects of Darwinism and of neo-Darwinism seem to me to have held back the progress of science." *Colin Patterson, The Listener. [Senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, London.]

[@TheRealMake-Make]

I love intelligent women with a Southern accent. Such a rarity...such a treat.

[@utubejvs3]

"The overriding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological research-paleontological, zoological and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology-has provided ever-increasing evidence for Darwinian ideas."-*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 327.

[@Forserean]

How can people say there is a division of church and state in the U.S.? Churches get tax exemption...

[@utubejvs3]

*Simpson, a leading evolutionist writer of the mid-20th century, said this: "Search for the cause of evolution has been abandoned. It is now clear that evolution has no single cause." *G.G. Simpson, Major Features, p. 118-119. He also made this statement: "It might be argued that the theory is quite unsubstantiated and has status only as a speculation." *George G. Simpson, Major Features, p. 118-119.

[@utubejvs3]

Today we are learning more and more about what it takes for life to form. Beyond the statistical improbabilities of evolution, we've learned that the single cell is not at all like a mud hut; but rather, more complex than a galaxy. In fact, for a dinosaur to evolve a single wing, all five systems in a cell would have to change identically at the same time-something that Darwin could never have imagined.

[@utubejvs3]

"In any case, creation scientists are correct in perceiving that in modern culture 'evolution' often involves far more than biology. The basic ideologies of the civilization, including its entire moral structure, are at issue. Evolution is sometimes the key mythological element in a philosophy that functions as a virtual religion." *George M. Marsden, "No Middle Ground," Nature, October 14 1983, p. 574.

[@TheHigherVoltage]

@2105Jack And how do you suggest science teachers do their job? "Ok class : today we'll discuss the scientific method, the importance and criteria of valid evidence, and why this method works so well in uncovering provable, testable truths that we can all understand, verify and build on. ...then tomorrow, we'll take a leap of faith, start ignoring evidence that doesn't fit our preconceived notions taken on faith, and decalre whatever we'd like to believe in 'truth'." Something like that?

[@utubejvs3]

"Evolution . . is not only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned by reputable scientists. Among paleontologists, scientists who study the fossil record, there is growing dissent from the prevailing view of Darwinism."-*James Gorman, "The Tortoise or the Hare?" Discover, October 1980, p. 88.

[@utubejvs3]

"The evolution of the animal and plant worlds is considered by all those entitled to judgment to be a fact for which no further proof is needed. But in spite of nearly a century of work and discussion there is still no unanimity in regard to the details of the means of evolution."-*Richard Goldschmidt, "Evolution, as Viewed by One Geneticist," in American Scientist, Vol. 409, January 1952, p. 84.

[@Epic878787]

I didn't say that all parents should actually do the teaching. I assume you misread my last message. I was saying parents should decide who teaches their children and what their children are taught in a democratic and specifically local process. Personally I don't believe that creationism should be taught in science class.

[@utubejvs3]

"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an unproved theory - is it then a science or a faith? Belief in the theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to belief in special creation - both are concepts which believers know to be true but neither, up to the present, has been capable of proof" - Introduction to The Origin of Species (London: J.M. Dent & Sons, Ltd., 1971)

[@QuietThought]

"First, the Constitution doesn't authorize the government to be in public education." The Constitution has been interpreted otherwise since Thomas Jefferson's day. Among the more direct applications of that policy, the Northwest Ordinance that established the process for surveying and forming territories into new states set aside land to be sold to finance public schools and universities.

[@CarlSagan6]

Thank you, Barb! God, we need more people like you to weed out all the frickin religious nuts

[@utubejvs3]

"Faith is: the substance of fossils hoped for, the evidence of links unseen." M.M.

[@utubejvs3]

..it remains a mystery how the undirected process of mutation, with natural selection, has resulted in the creation of thousands of new proteins with diverse and well-optimized functions. This problem is acute for tightly integrated molecular systems that consist of many interacting parts, such as ligands, receptors, and ...regulatory factors with which they interact. ... creating a molecular version of the evolutionary riddle of the chicken and the egg. Genomics and Human Genetics 2000, p. 64

[@zoobiewa]

Preferring one religion over others is not allowed. That's how the United States was set up and it's actually worked pretty well.

[@zoobiewa]

How would anyone have anything against something that doesn't exist? She has something against idiots who try to teach fairy tales to children.

[@CHAS1422]

The big bang concept is astronomy, & although it is disputed it doesn't raise the ire that evolution does. Biological evolution does'nt depend on a verifiable big bang theory. The theory addresses observations of biological morphology based on replication & trait inheritance. And yes, the concept has been consistently, & repeatedly tested. Paleontologists and geologists find more and more fossils that suggest an evolutionary past similar to the one proposed by Darwin.

[@senyahel]

Don't let you lack of understanding blind you. Your science has been wrong the majority of the time. It just takes us a long time to figure it out!

[@Epic878787]

Get government out of education and this problem goes away. To my knowledge there is nothing in the constitution that gives the federal government the right to levy taxes for nor provide nor regulate education. Now we are all happy.

[@mikejmcc1970]

happy to reap the rewards of our hard work and at the same time cursing us! If that isn't a display of morality on our part I don't know what is!

[@ShadeeFan]

you forgot: -the human tailbone -male nipples -an eye that is backwards, upside down, and with a built-in blind spot -wisdom teeth -appendices -junk DNA And the list goes on. Some "intelligent" designer. Soooooo many utterly useless and/or inefficient structures.

[@zoobiewa]

Then why do people turn away from god and realize it doesn't answer a thing? If what you say is true, that means that would mean that nobody would ever turn away from such a coherent, insightful belief system.

[@utubejvs3]

I personally hold the evolutionary position, but yet lament the fact that the majority of our Ph.D. graduates are frightfully ignorant of many of the serious problems These problems will not be solved unless we bring them to the attention of students Most students assume evolution is proved, the missing link is found, Actually quite the contrary is true and many recent discoveries . . have forced us to re-evaluate our assumptions."-*Director of a large graduate biology The Cutting Edge (1982

[@limbopete]

....and may the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch you with it's noodly appendage!

[@MultiFisherofmen]

The webster dictionary should have this womans picture and bigotry in the same space.

[@pchtermino1]

I want to teach creationism in school. Our first assignment is to learn about every god that has ever been. We then try to disprove them all. By the time I'm done I will have a class full of little atheists.

[@akosikuyzak]

I hope your students learn how stupid and indoctrinated you are to do that.

[@sinusbradycardia]

Good for you!

[@JustAboutMyFaith]

I'm sorry. But the Northwest Ordinance does not trump nor amend the Constitution. And interpretations are like opinions. Everyone has got one. But that doesn't mean every interpretation is right. And last but least, you are only half right about God & Creation in the classroom. Whereas both Creation and Intelligent Design are presently being taught in both Christian youth academies, as well as on some secular college campuses, all across America as we speak.

[@nick260682]

The problem is, it is science class. Therefore shouldn't they teach the views of scientists? By teaching creationism in science class they aren't representing the views of the scientific community, 99% of whom accept evolution, they are representing the views of religious people. Who aren't scientists. Therefore it has no place in science class.

[@limbopete]

"[Darwinian Macro-evolution" It's all the same type of evolution "mutations occurs though harmful" Try nylon synthesizing bacteria "We believe however each major ancestor of all species was created in their complete original form." And you simply ignore the entirety of the fossil record, which goes back to the precambrian. "God did not need to experiment with eons of death and mutations to create man" Well then he's really good at making it look like that's exactly what he did.

[@utubejvs3]

Today our duty is to destroy the myth of evolution, considered as a simple, understood and explained phenomenon which keeps rapidly unfolding before us. Biologists must be encouraged to think about the weaknesses and extrapolations that the theoreticians put forward or lay down as established truths. The deceit is sometimes unconscious, some people, owing to their sectarianism, [they] refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and falsity of their beliefs." *Pierre-Paul Grease, (1977),

[@limbopete]

"Humanity is in a pickle for one reason." That reason is the exact same type of thought process you are using right here. The problem is when people are 100% GODDAMN convinced that it would be better for everyone else to be more like them. You should try being legitimately respectful. When you say "It the God and Creator we have to acknowledge or reject if wish" what you are really saying is tantamount to "It's ok to be wrong, but i'm right". It's CONDESCENDING.

[@SanRafaelSwell]

Evolution is one of THE best well supported THEORIES in science. Yes, theories. In science, theory means far far far more than an educated guess. It is a formulated set of ideas supported by FACTS and OBSERVATIONS. Evolution is an observed fact, period.

[@lautz73]

@2105Jack ok then if we are going to teach all sides then we also need to teach about every creation story by every religion that exists now.

[@CHAS1422]

My comment was hyperbole. I agree we should encourage children to learn and use their minds. A field trip to thick sedimentary deposits and fossil bearing strata given by a geologist should be required for every student in America. Education will help. When they realize that these scientists are not out to 'disprove God', but, like detectives, are really using forensic concepts to discern past events, they may come to appreciate the effort.

[@SanRafaelSwell]

311lude is me, just so you know. One last thing. Correct, Hovind is in jail for the right reason, he broke the law. Enough said about that.

[@nick260682]

There are loads of fossils. More than enough. There is an astonishing amount of genetic evidence. The way animals are distributed around the world is evidence when you cross reference that with plate tectonics and the shifting of the land masses. Read a book that isn't the bible and that you can't buy on creationist websites and you can see for yourself the stunning simplicity, yet incredible intricacy of evolution. I recommend the ancestors tale by richard dawkins.

[@limbopete]

"...Thornton and DeSalle..." Thornton....Thornton...... wherever have I heard that name before? Oh wait- He's a PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY I LIVE BY! And my roommate happens to be taking a class with him right now. I sit in on them every once in a while. He's actually the one that turned me on to Ben Steins upcoming movie. If you knew ANYTHING about the man you would never quote him to try and argue AGAINST evolutionary science. He is one of the people most strongly outspoken against ID.

[@methinxaweezil]

...and science would be taught by the Discovery Institute.

[@JustAboutMyFaith]

First, the Constitution doesn't authorize the government to be in public education. Second, the 1st Amendment does not exclude God from public classrooms. It only prohibits the government from making a law mandating us to observe their religion over another. And last but not least, we woudn't have a Constitution if it wasn't for the Declaration of Independence. And it says our rights are inherent to us from our Creator. So it's not just religious to teach about our Creator. It's political too !

[@CHAS1422]

Epic878787 I have a better idea. Make biology class optional, like calculus. Some people have a mental block in understanding biology just like some people don't understand calculus. Imagine if parents decided the context of a higher math class, that would be a disaster. Evolution is like calculus in that it is the study of summations of incremental change. And like calculus, some people just don't get it, so they should be allowed to drop out!

[@zoobiewa]

Ever heard of an ethics and values class? That teaches moral thinking a lot better than a hypocritical, cherry-picking book.

[@utubejvs3]

He was an American paleontologist that died in the 70's. So? My point is that even among evolutionists there is much disagreement and speculation about processes. Now let me ask you as a Christian: Is Jesus Christ alive today? What is His role in Creation? If your answer is "he is not alive" then don't call yourself a follower of Christ. Your world view and presuppositions are opposed to mine but true science in not on your side any more that mine. We have the same facts.

[@utubejvs3]

Thornton and DeSalle, Genomics meets phylogenetics, Annual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics 2000, p. 64 Introduction to The Origin of Species (London: J.M. Dent & Sons, Ltd., 1971)

[@zoobiewa]

So being self-centered is better than having a divine connection? If god is so great then why would anybody stray? If people can stray then it's probably not that wondrous of an understanding. You first of all told me that if I only knew god that everything would make sense. So why do people stray? They don't want things to make sense anymore? You do understand that your bible quotes (or your biblical language, I don't know which it is) are essentially non-sensical to me?

[@ApesAmongUs]

Degrading is the only appropriate way to act towards people who don't accept evolution. There is no "making up your mind" involved here. All the evidence ever gathered supports one side and the other side has absolutely nothing. This isn't some subjective decision - it is simple reality vs people who refuse to accept it.

[@ApesAmongUs]

@2105Jack Who made her right? Reality made her right. The observable physical world.

[@aircrew705]

Want to bet this one doesn’t pray fifteen decades of the rosary every day?

[@MonKingIdiot]

The Theory of Gravity and the Theory of Relativity are religions as well. Newton and Einstein are prophets. I pray to the all might apple 5 times a day. This is sarcasm if ericmober couldn't tell. Apparently he doesn't know what religion is in the first place.

[@ShrinkingDad]

Greetings from the SCV

[@majinspy]

@777Knightlight777 Creationists are mocked because they don't have evidence for their assertions. Science has nothing to do with the ramifications of the truth...it only has to do with finding the truth. BTW, a scientific theory is something accepted in science. It isn't a "guess" as the word is used commonly. The parallel word would be "hypothesis". Evolution has mounds of evidence supporting it INCLUDING predictions of future findings and data.

[@utubejvs3]

Are you saying Michael Denton is ignorant and you are so much smarter that he is? Denton received his PhD in Biochemistry in 1973 from King's College London. So I guess on Neo Darwinians are smart or they more fanatical in their presuppositions?

[@utubejvs3]

from Shattering the Myths of Darwinism by Richard Milton (not a Creationist) "Darwin's original conception ...has received too many mortal blows from the ugly facts of scientific enquiry to remain viable. (p. 230) You can't HANDLE the Truth! as Jack Nicholson said as a Marine officer... You don't understand the implications of the quotes I have shared with you because you love darkness more than light. There is still hope for you if you seek the LIGHT.

[@limbopete]

Much better- your going for the gold, I can tell!

[@Lotus4115]

I looked at this in the wrong way. Did not pay close enough attention. She is right and I was wrong in my post. Please remove it.

[@utubejvs3]

You making an assumption that all flora are related through macroevolution. That is a flawed assumption to begin with. Similarities in structure are due to similarities in design/function, not evidence of molecules to men or even flora to fauna macroevolution. Want more evidence. Look in the mirror. Do you have eyes to see and ears to hear. Who put them there? Do you think the ONE that gave you those facalties lacks them?

[@limbopete]

"You are sincerely in my prayers for good.." Great! You pray for me and i'll THINK for YOU. In the meantime, however, I have the feeling you'll think twice before quote mining from sources that demonstrate the opposite of what you are trying to convey. I'm glad that I could be the one to highlight your dishonesty. You've been served. Cheers!

[@limbopete]

That wasn't much better..... i'd say 5 1/2. If you want your rhetoric to rate higher on the Inanity Scale you'll have to try harder.

[@utubejvs3]

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, 20Where is the wise man? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. Spicy?

[@utubejvs3]

Naomi do you say that out of pain? What led you to believe that? Yes, life at times seems to have "no God". But do you understand the human problem and our relationship with the Creator? God is very real to me but it was not always that way... I am breathing freely just fine and He is my breath, my Rock and my Savior, my LIVING HOPE.

[@utubejvs3]

Interesting that you should quote CS Lewis an avowed Atheist and Evolutionist that was compelled to research the claims of Christ and received Him as Savior. Read "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis. By the way when the catholic church accepted the world is flat the Bible proclaim the Earth is a sphere and it is hung in space on nothing! May the Grace of God bring His goodness to your soul.

[@utubejvs3]

then why do people turn away from god and realize it doesn't answer a thing? Why? You know why because all of us like sheep have gone astray turning into our own independent self centered ways. We want to do our own thing without an Authority over us. But God has laid on HIM the LAMB of GOD the sin of us all who turn to HIM in faith and turn our heart over to His care.

[@utubejvs3]

I have family that attend that denomination. But being a Christian first of means trusting in Jesus as being the authentic, Christ, The Messiah according to the promises that started in Genesis. You may go to church but your beliefs exclude the literal coming of the Messiah, the WORD that became flesh. The flood did occur and that is what created the fossils in sedimentary rock. The cambrian strata shows the suddeness of creation. In the last days men will willfully forget the flood.

[@gothicseed]

I like this!! A+

[@CHAS1422]

Revelation 7:1 1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) Yep, There's yer sience book! This discribes the shape AND the weather. Let's grow from picking on biology/geology to picking on meteorology! Or, should we chalk this up to "Metaphore"? Accept only verses that are vaguely plausable as literal, the absurd ones are "Metaphore".

[@Epic878787]

How about letting parents decide? Crazy, huh.

[@limbopete]

"God Himself will defend Israel when His Feet set on the Mount of Olives see Zechariah 14" Well hopefully they are not all dead by then. "Sin is our acting as if we know what it best." You should listen to yourself.

[@utubejvs3]

15For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: 16To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. 2 Corinthians 2:15-17 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse... As you say Pete, "You have been served..." No I do not hate you...

[@wightboy12345]

@METALmaggots65 Well, fact and theory. Documented evolution is fact. The well substantiated hypothesis of how evolution occurred in the past is theory, as much as gravity is theory.

[@CHAS1422]

And liars like ken ham continue to teach their children

[@limbopete]

"My point is that even among evolutionists there is much disagreement and speculation about processes." Any remotely current evolutionary debate (by evolutionary scientists) deals with the mechanisms for evolution, as opposed to whether or not it takes place. Evolution won scientific consensus long ago. Your quote mining is absurd. "If your answer is "he is not alive" then don't call yourself a follower of Christ." That is a No True Scotsman fallacy.

[@alexfernandohuenten1374]

exelent

[@flickerman68]

Correct. Succinct. To the point and on point.

[@limbopete]

Getting better. I think you have potential to medal..... You should throw in some stuff about hellfire, though. The Judges love a good hellfire rant. C'mon- spice it up a bit!

[@limbopete]

/Sarcasm How profound!

[@limbopete]

Hmm..... colorful, but you lose points for originality. I'd give that rant a 5 out of 10.

[@FHB71]

But you need to see the quality of what is being taught. Evolution is a scientific theory, so the highest form of knowledge in science. ID is, well, there is no word in science for it, one could call it a philosophy. There are not the least equally qualified to be be taught as equal theories, since ID just isn't one. I have no problem with teaching that in religious classes, where it belongs, but with doing it in science classes, you give a wrong impression on how science works.

[@utubejvs3]

I have been served? You think this is a joke? Your the judge and jury? I have been very honest with you Pete and sincere. I have tolerated your rude behavior because I know where you are coming from... I have been there and I do forgive you but you haven't even heard or seen the tip of the iceberg as they say. Take a look at this so I won't have to "misquote" the obvious: I suggest you do more research: Shattering the Myths of Darwinism by Richard Milton (an evolutionist)

[@utubejvs3]

And I suppose teaching that the big bang started from a dot from nothing is the TRUTH? Not living matter became life and begat complexity? That each species that mates evovled male and female exactly at the same time with out the Creator is the truth? College and education did not take away my ability to reason.

[@utubejvs3]

For GOD the Creator so loved the planet earth the has been judged and condemned that He in mercy sent His One and Only Son the Messiah of Israel to give those of the nations an op to believe, trust in Him and regain their stature of rightousness before a Holy GOD and given the free gift of eternal life Only Jesus Christ arose from the dead giving proof that not only He is Christ but that the Father is satisfied with His subtitutionary death on our behalf who will call upon Him in faith. TRUTH!

[@utubejvs3]

Pete it is not about me or you. The real question is: Is JESUS CHRIST LORD GOD and SAVIOR. Is he a lunatic, liar, devil or our HIS claims supported by fact and deeds. My life time study and experience has concluded the JESUS, Yeshua in Hebrew, was and is GOD in the flesh and SAVIOR of mankind. Read: "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis a former evolutionist and atheist. Study all the prophecies written of Christ before He was born ie Psalm 22, Isaiah 49 53. We will all stand before HIM.

[@utubejvs3]

Of course I care but you don't like the answers that give LIFE. I care for you but you can't sense it. GOD is working in my heart toward you but you want to remain in your own path. I am not your enemy but a real friend who will tell you the truth even if it may hurt.

[@utubejvs3]

So you claim to be a Christian? In what way are you a Christian? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Creator as proclaim in the Gospel of John chapter 1 and Hebrews ch 1. Was Christ according to Luke related by geneaology to ADAM the first man? or is this superstitious according to you.

[@utubejvs3]

Who is trying harder? for what? What most of you Neo Darwinians seem to lose sight of is this debate is not about brains nor saneness but rather presuppostions that both Creationist and Evolutionist have... You want science to remain stagnet but the truth is we are discovering more and more from both Creation and written revelation. We see the glory and power and intelligence but we also see chaos because of the curse of sin. You can not know God's heart until you look at Christ.

[@limbopete]

"Correct GOD is not a Democracy either." You sicken me.

[@utubejvs3]

I thought you had a level head but I guess I was wrong. Your emotional antics tickle me! I hope you will go and see Expelled so that you can witness why intelligent men question evolution and for good reason. Peace be unto you my earth brother...your Creator is watching you to see if you will pass the test... The Earth is a global sphere and you can go in circles if you don't look up! Have a nice day and enjoy your 'evolving' human life. -Johnny You are sincerely in my prayers for good...

[@limbopete]

"Atheism=Death of the soul and disinagration of the human character and personality" Eh? "Psalm 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my Rock;and let the God of my salvation be exalted." Mmmhmm. *pat on head*

[@utubejvs3]

It makes no sense to you now because you are cut off from God but once you turn to Christ the blinders come off. You can believe or not believe but reality is not changed by our opinions. The same GOD who created the LAWS of life invites you to humble yourself to return to the Creator who dearly loves you. Jesus is the Door to reconciliation with GOD. Follow Him and you will not be ashamed. I wish you GOD's peace and eternal health.

[@utubejvs3]

Pete I do understand how you feel and I do apologize for offending you but I am speaking the Truth. I do not believe in a theocracy today under any religion or church. When Christ returns war and destruction will end and men and nations will be judged. For there in One mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus. There is No other Name under heaven given to men whereby we must be saved. He alone is Risen from the grave; He is the Last Adam, The Eternal Son of GOD. But 1 GOD for Earth

[@utubejvs3]

It the God and Creator we have to acknowledge or reject if wish. God is just and He gives us the freedom to choose Pete. Consider the same God created the physical laws of the universe also created the spiritual laws. God in His Love and goodness wants what is best for us. Many things that seem intolerant save our lives like observing the law of gravity. Humanity is in a pickle for one reason. We walked away not HIM. JESUS is the Way back to LIFE. Taste and see that the LORD is good.