Barcrusher, Surtees, Extreme, Yellowfin, Stabicraft DOWNSIDES to PLATE BOATS

[@PeterMacGrergor]

I have a Makaira Gen 3 750 being built for me at the moment. Hopefully get it before Xmas. Allan Shaw has assured me it will be as quiet as a fibreglass boat. I have had two Tristrims so I will be able to compare. My last Extreme 745 GameKing had an 8m hull. It was reasonably quiet. Slept on it a couple of times. The Makaira isn't cheap but it does have a lifetime warranty on the hull for the first owner and then a 10 year warranty for the next owner. I was just looking at a Kingfisher 730 Cat online. Only a three year warranty on the hull.

[@BaitBallin]

Well done, absolute beast no doubt!!!!! My budget doesn't extend that far, but my new rig arrives tomorrow so stay tuned. Yeah haven't been on a makaira, but am definitely aware of them and their points of difference

[@SamDavis-d3v]

however its good to see someone is not completely biased about everythign

[@SamDavis-d3v]

found a solution… put the ballast flap on fill it with water and try and by the 670 exocet model wich has carpeted cabin

[@BaitBallin]

Yep Carpet all round def makes a difference

[@rossevans1774]

I put the attribute part of the noise of an alloy boat down to the fact they sit on top of the water like a cork. The heavier fiberglass boat sits in the water, more like a displacement hull.

[@BaitBallin]

Yeah definitely. But I must say the 6mm hulls, especially foam filled under floor are very quiet. The 5mm hulls are very noisy.

[@americian]

Noise cancelling headphones for overnighters 👍

[@BaitBallin]

Yep from earplugs!!! That was my back up plan for foam filling

[@kaineboyd8376]

Bang on with the noise it’s a huge difference. The gen3 makaira is breaking alloy rules look into them if you haven’t already

[@BaitBallin]

Yeah I have. But haven't experienced yet

[@Topseller99]

Should have kept the Alison. Those are better than the older Haines.

[@BaitBallin]

They are good, but pretty light. For my use case, the heavier the better.....

[@senator62]

Great insight... Ive owned Aluminuim boats most of my life with new 21ft Surtees & Senator boats. Prior to these I had a 21ft fibreglass scarab which was so much fun. I’m so used to the cons with these Alu boats that I don’t think twice. snd yes I’ve overnighted in my Surtees GF 650 which was noisy and I couldn’t sleep. Can’t wait to receive my new Haines Signiture 620f. And look forward to the Pros.

[@BaitBallin]

yeah absolutely, you get used to most things. I just got back from a cold rough arvo offshore and the boat was excellent, so the things I've mentioned aren't deal breakers for most people . yep can't go wrong with the signature! you will love it

[@Michael-gf2er]

Awesome information spot on with your experience 👍👍

[@BaitBallin]

Thanks Michael 👍

[@seanleonard2912]

Yes totally agree.

[@markuswilmes3694]

I’ve been a fibreglass man all my boat owning years apart from a 4.85 makocat which was a great boat surtees are the only ones I woujd even consider at for the way they’ve catered for the fisherman in their build

[@BaitBallin]

Not every Surtees is great, some good, some not good. But yes they agree they are well built and set up

[@steveblakey4510]

I have got a 2100 supercab coming in august

[@db92]

Hey man top video i have had glass boats my whole life and i bought a few plate boats i can't deal with them my question is what is the best glass boat about 6.5m ?

[@BaitBallin]

Hey man, new I like the 625 and 675 Haines. Second hand the 650 and 600 are the same hulls. Northbank 600 and 650 also good. Caribbean reef runner 6.4 also a good rig in that size range. Good luck

[@fishernick2447]

Just found this channel, sub’d. I like the honesty in your opinions mate keep em coming

[@BaitBallin]

welcome aboard! yep thats the idea. no BS and mediocre fishing skills ; )

[@davidmurn772]

Looking forward to the video of fishing in the rain today, I bet you made good use of the good-sized cabin.

[@double-oseven5725]

Just spent a horrid sea sick night tryin to sleep out on the reef...the solid 22ft fibro hull was bad enough noise wise on the calm night...hate to think bout plate...

[@BaitBallin]

Hahaha yeah absolutely!

[@kizzjd9578]

I agree with everything you said mate, well done 👌

[@BaitBallin]

thanks! can't cover every single brand and scenario, but generally I think it's on the mark

[@toranarama1]

I beach launch a lot so it's alloy for me, but yeah many downsides. My Ramco is surprisingly quiet, at rest and underway, not sure why. was even more quiet before I replaced tge timber floor with a fully welded checker plate. Now it's a little drummier but also more rigid and safe.

[@BaitBallin]

Yeah exactly. I love the toughness of them. Pull up on any beach, don't stress at jetty or launch and retrieve etc. One pissy, tiny nudge on a glass boat and it's gouged for ever. No matter how careful I have been with my previous glass rigs, they always got damaged and it hurt!

[@mjp5546]

I have spent many years in both and currently own a Formosa alloy and a Cruisecraft fiberglass. I would only use an alloy over a fiberglass if I needed to tow it hundreds of Ks or needed to take it offroad.

[@BaitBallin]

yep I toe my hundreds of KMs and have disabilities making it hard for me to manage boats. it's either this boat, easy boat or I won't be able to go anymore

[@ozhunter2505]

Being that I own HT 670 myself, I get what your saying about water noise but not having ever owned a glass boat, I can't really compare the two so it doesn't really bother me. As far as the stability issue when trawling/ traveling, I have the Bar Flap installed on mine and when you lock the water in it makes a big difference, especially in choppy conditions. The boat tends to chop through the water a bit more rather than over it. It really gives the boat a heavy solid feel. Might be worth test driving one with the Bar Flap installed and see what you think. Your welcome to try mine but I'm in Melbourne so don't know. Love your vids by the way. Keep them coming!

[@BaitBallin]

hey yeah, I had the barflap on my last 670 and tbh I just didn't like it, couldn't get used to the handling.... I mean I do hoenstly like to thrash my boat and launch it off big waves. purely for the fun factor! but yes point taken probably would improve stability under way like that

[@Camh1968]

Hi again. What extra lighting is needed on this boat and what type of lighting and where should they be placed / installed?

[@BaitBallin]

If you get all the lights I mentioned in that video you will be able to basically make day light! Only possible upgrade could be two light Bars facing forward

[@Camh1968]

Thank you. Your thoughts on installing underwater LED lights on the transom on this hull for night fishing?

[@Camh1968]

Hi Mark. I know this is off topic to this thread - but can you advise your thoughts on having studs embedded into the aluminium BC hull side - which are used for installing protection covers whilst parked up… Do these studs get in the way of fishing with legs or generate corrosion? Cameron

[@BaitBallin]

Hey man, they are totally fine but just get it done professionally for sure. I.e I'd be getting your cover made at an actual barcrusher dealer as they know how to do it properly.

[@Camh1968]

@@BaitBallin Thanks Man. Do these studs impede / contact our legs when leaning against the gunwale whilst fishing?

[@peterwhennen3211]

Great review, Loved it, thanks for the info, have been weighing up my options on a Trident 690 or a Fibreglass Revival 640 boat. But still not sure, a little confused what would be best and more comfortable to sleep in on a weekend away. I would appreciate any advice please. I am also interested in a soft top, because of towing and storage reasons only.

[@BaitBallin]

Yep nothing wrong with a revival 640! Tridents also still 'OK', but it's definitely take the revival out of those 2.

[@rustyrussell7613]

Check out Coralie boats and there reverse chines ?

[@BaitBallin]

Coraline? some brands can definately do it, the barcrusher and Surtees formula is deep vee, minimum reverse chine and not too wide to give softest ride and landings. yep even beam matters. many 2.5m, flared now boats ride really bad and get pushed around in the swell alot. suppose you really must try and experience any boat before buying

[@Camh1968]

Hi again. Thinking of excluding the drivers seat and support from build of the 670C. I would envisage that standing up to steer this boat would occur most of the time? This would free up a lot is working space in this area. Your thoughts?

[@BaitBallin]

Nah will ruin resale value of the boat..... Just use as is

[@Camh1968]

Thanks. Did you use your seat much when driving the 670C? Is it better to drive this boat whilst standing? Cameron

[@WiliamRae]

Easy get drunk too sleep 😂

[@BaitBallin]

Yep absolutely

[@lachlanoneil8938]

My spray plates started to break off but I did ride it hard

[@BaitBallin]

really? shite..... will have to watch them

[@mr.annoying9453]

what do you think of polycraft?

[@BaitBallin]

Decent estuary and bay boats. Have known a few to warp though....

[@Camh1968]

Hello. I am about to order a new BC 670C. Can you provide some advice on what options to include and what to avoid? Use for mainly offshore work with just 2 people. Cameron

[@BaitBallin]

Go for the Esky seats, a single 12 or 16 inch screen. Anchor winch good idea, trim tabs essential. Premium bait station also very nice. Personally I like the fuel tank upgrade also. Beyond those things it's all a bit optional. Like extra lighting, barflap,

[@Camh1968]

Many thanks. Which brand screen do you recommend?

[@matthewlindsay4701]

Earplugs work for me

[@BaitBallin]

yep getting a rear cover made up soon then will give it a go. WITH earplugs! 😀

[@joshprowse9795]

How often do you get to Batemans bay for fishing?

[@BaitBallin]

once month and right now ; )

[@joshprowse9795]

@@BaitBallin have to get out on my boat with you one trip!

[@BaitBallin]

absolutely!

[@aaronclausen654]

Love your videos Bait Ballin. Any opinion on the Midnight Express 43? I'm looking at the quad 450r engine package, will it get me out over Haulover?

[@BaitBallin]

hahha unfortunately our boats in Aus aren't designed generally to take so much HP and the best we have is narooma bar. but I'm definitely looking into 400hp boats at the moment

[@79cruiser]

Another great informative vid. I noticed the water noise on your vids and am wondering if it is a Barcrusher trait. I have an older Quintrex cuddy cabin and it has foam inserts and this keeps it a lot quieter. So are all plate boats noisy? Yellowfin comment they are foam filled and this reduces the noise. Thanks for the other small tips on your Barcrusher and the Stabi. All worthy points to consider. Cheers Graeme

[@BaitBallin]

no problems! yeah foam filling would definitely help to reduce the noise. tbh, I am really talking about the 1% issues here in what is otherwise a brilliant boat. but they are just things for people to be aware of that website and salesman will never tell you

[@79cruiser]

@@BaitBallin Yeah, i realise that you are happy with the 670HT and it is great to hear about the little things that you may not realise until you own the boat.

[@martinconway7794]

Love your vids mate, would like to hear your views on Extreme boats. Cheers

[@BaitBallin]

hi Martin, the reason I don't talk about them is that I don't have personal on water experience with them. they are without doubt the BEST looking plate alloy on the market, must be near or at the top quality wise also. the 745 and 795 game king are my absolute favourite extreme models. I'd love a 795 with twin 200s! they are definitely a top shelf plate boat, but with that comes a top shelf price also ; )

[@BaitBallin]

there is definitely a chance you could see me in a 795 extreme in the future, if I decide to sneak one more trailer boat in 😀

[@prideof4]

What kind of warranty do barcrusher offer vs surtees 10year? Did you consider an Extreme and if not why not?

[@BaitBallin]

cant remember warranty off top of my head, yes I did consider extreme. very nice, but value for money wasn't there tbh in comparison

[@jasonkennythsmith8553]

After riding in a backcrusher and game king you definitely get what you pay for

[@ThomasCoombs]

First love the vids

[@dantolo817]

Yeah great point I have a 615wr and yep love it heaps but no exactly what that water rippling sound is all about Aluminium is never going to be as quite as fibre glass I no that but sometimes I think Wow is my boat running over debris in the water

[@BaitBallin]

yeah seriously annoying especially when trying to chill out at anchor etc....ohwell can't have it all hey!

[@jewyhunter_]

plate boats like extreme and noble boats do have big reverse chines even double on a noble . This gives the boats better lift in the water Dryer ride and stability but it will tend to bang more . The surtees bar crushers have a water ballast system to solve that issue with small reverse chines .this allows the boat to sit lower in the water column wet ride maybe yes but cuts through the water column better with a sharp vee entry to the transom .The Noble is a beast of ride but downfall made in China. Even a edencraft formula 233 don’t have reverse chines very tender off take off but cuts through chop and takes corners really low to the water .Also if you did have a water ballast system which you could activate you might solve that issue .Also most of your shitty plate pressed boats like Mclay quintrex or some plate boats don’t have more than a 15 to 18 degree dead rise .noble has a 24 degree dead rise extreme is 21 degree and surtees are 20 degree stabicraft 20 degree yellowfin 19 degree .edencraft 24 degree deadrise .

[@BaitBallin]

yeah totally agree with all that! my statements are quite general, absolutely many glass boats are just seriously deep vee and that's about it. went out In an Eden craft once and it was so unstable I literally couldn't stop spewing (it was a rough day), just wouldn't stop rocking. Yep and reverse chine hulls absolutely bang more! BC and Surtees have chosen this formula and it does work very well all things considered.

[@jewyhunter_]

To answer your question on why most plate boats don’t have reverse chines . A lot of plate boats don’t have deadrise . Which means there’s no need for chines. You notice extreme and noble need it for their deep vee due to their deadrise. But I totally agree with the trying to sleep in my boat overnight on the water 😂 that water noise does my head in solve it with ear plugs .

[@BaitBallin]

yeah I'm going to give it a go soon. will definitely buy ear plugs now!

[@jimchass68]

You bought the wrong plate boat. Had a Mclay and had none of those issues.

[@BaitBallin]

Mclay are only moderate deadrise and very basic inside. good boats but definitely not on the same league.

[@mclongkock6678]

Mate I'm about to buy a 571 mclay. Can u give me some feedback on them? Thanks

[@ME-qq2dc]

Small chines are nothing to do with it being ally, it's more about the design, same as toe holds on Stabicraft has nothing to do with it being made from ally. Profile boats have them, again it's about design. Foam filling cuts the noise in ally boats greatly too.

[@BaitBallin]

yep understand..... barcrusher doesn't foam fill due to foam rotting inside the hull from moisture. no idea if real or not

[@ME-qq2dc]

@@BaitBallin I think it all depends if true closed cell foam is used or not. Plenty of ally boat builders use it, stabi is optional, sailfish cats is standard plus many many more. If it was truly an issue it would be hard to hide.

[@ME-qq2dc]

@@BaitBallin By the way I did own a 560C Barcrusher.

[@BaitBallin]

yeah agree! hard to know total facts on that one....

[@madara12regio]

Kingfisher alum boat is better

[@youhen01]

Bar Crusher as a company are grubs. They straight up stole the Surtees design. The founders used to import Surtees, stole the design and began building their own rip-off.

[@BaitBallin]

yeah I've heard the story, I can't comment on it without personally knowing details. but yes, I can certainly see what it looks like. putting that asside, otherwise they have been very good to deal with. in my last search, Yellowfin dealers were the most pushy and the ones who seemed to put down other brands alot instead of proving their own product. true story.

[@youhen01]

At least on a Surtees you can close the lid on the ballast tube to give it a better ride trolling

[@BaitBallin]

can also do on a barcrusher.... I didn't think it did much tbh so didn't option it this time round...

[@BaitBallin]

maybe I need to dig up the facts and do a video on it ; )

[@jewyhunter_]

Lol there better than Bar crushers so it doesn’t matter 😂

[@stevenrusan1772]

These cons are reason not to buy this boat in my opinion, plenty of plate boat brands out there with wide reverse chines, foam filled hulls for quietness and floatation and up swept, flared hulls

[@BaitBallin]

it's their design angle. no chines equals very soft ride through rough chop and soft landigs off waves. chine boats ride noticbly harder. I guess my point overall is no boat isnlitet perfect. it's about ride and handling characteristics each individual wants. Surtees and barcrusher without flare are also amazing boats in a following sea, NO broaching ever just absolute confidence.

[@CaptDavesSportfishing]

a lot of your water noise, and I noticed it as a alloy owner. Yours isnt a foam filled hull, obviously. I hear it in all that are not. My 26 footer is all foam filled and is so quiet comparitively. Many down your way, I believe are foam filling for export reasons. "Stabi" for one. At least to the USA. Dont know about other builders or other countries.

[@BaitBallin]

yep BC dont foam fill for certain reasons but the noise is definitely annoying. I mean I only notice it when trying to relax in river

[@CaptDavesSportfishing]

@@BaitBallin my boats about as quiet as a glass boat. Your ballast tank may have something to do with them not trying it. I notice the Surtees seem very loud to me too. At first many thought the foam would corrode the plate. But, the people who built mine have been doing it for 30 years, with no issues. And my boats 15 yrs old and no issues. Well, just think. No builder in N. America is doing ballast tanks. So, it could be one or the other. Enjoy your videos...all the way here in Florida USA 👍

[@BaitBallin]

yes you might be right there... the ballast tank is an absolute game changer tbh... the noise is minor in the scheme of things but quiet would be nice

[@jewyhunter_]

@@CaptDavesSportfishing Australian and New Zealand waters are prone to bigger seas with bigger swell than the USA on most occasions. The ballast system is a game changer to stability in big sea.Stabicraft mastered it with a pontoon .Your comparing a 26 foot boat to a 22 foot different league .

[@BaitBallin]

i think I remember BC saying they don't foam fill due to the foam rotting or something over time from condensation etc. plus their floatation is achieved by the actual individually boxed air chambers. so that side of things works, just the noise factor

[@gozbil]

The number one reason I won’t buy a plate boat, the constant bloop bloop sound at rest 🤬

[@BaitBallin]

yep I can totally understand it

[@lukawilliams4822]

lol I hear bloop bloop in my friggen sleep

[@Hectic_cxnt]

What's the monthly and yearly costs to run a plate boat?

[@BaitBallin]

hey, just like any other trailer boat.... insurance, servicing...fuel will depend on usage. then it's all the holidays that go along with using the boat! but it's all worth it. I must say I have had zero things fail or go wrong with my past two plate boats

[@ThomasCoombs]

First love the vids