S2#6. HH50 Catamran Tour - Top End Luxury Performance Cruiser for Couples....

[@petermoeck4402]

best of both worlds right now...

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes your right there Peter!

[@rumblechick73]

Rocking up one of the keels would have me getting off in a heartbeat...of course, that presumes my heart was still beating by then!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes, not for the faint hearted!

[@g.y.p.s.y.]

nice!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Glad you liked it!

[@Christian_Tango_Christ]

Without a doubt the finest 50' Catamaran. My dream boat, I'm actually thinking about selling my home in The Florida Keys to buy one and start a cruising charter business in The Caribbean.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Wow what an exciting adventure! Follow your dreams Christian!!!

[@gazzporto4063]

As an Aussie couple in tropical Queensland we faced the same dilemma as many others getting the right balance between our aspirations matched with an appropriate choice of catamaran. We have a HH50 being delivered in the first half of next year and we didn’t choose it because it could fly a hull…though one day with a crack crew we might give it a go ! But more because that tells us it is strong. And equally importantly in soft tropical winds we can sail at good speeds and NO engines ! We love the craftsmanship and finish. But equally important all the stuff you can’t see…plumbing, beautifully labelled and run cables, separate AC and DC tech spaces…inside very hatch is a well finished space. Easier to maintain…. I could go on and on why we reckon it suits us but that will bore your readers ! Long legs and beautiful. The yacht that is !

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Lucky you Gazz!!! Like we said this is really a top shelf boat so look forward to hearing your adventures! How far up the coast are you - we were Mackay based? Unlikely to be home for 12 months now though... Eli and John

[@gazzporto4063]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Kelly and I live in Port Douglas. After picking up Synergy in Brisbane a lazy shakedown cruise up the coast to home Port. Past Mackay!! Then look at options for heading south during cyclone season before off to the pacific. Happy to hook up at some time as I see the parallels! Gaz

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hope it’s going well guys. Where are you now with your boat? Did you make it to the South Pacific?

[@BostonClipper]

Nice design elements.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes a touch of class Boston!

[@terrykeever3280]

Enjoyed seeing this CAT. Not for me even if I could afford it, but it was very interesting to see the technology and craftmanship.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for watching and for the comment Terry.

[@3dhawaiirealestate812]

Loved it👍🏼👍🏼

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks! Just seen this comment...

[@kingdommindset1462]

Dreams!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

But you've gotta keep them alive!!!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

But you've gotta keep them alive!!!

[@MK-gr9qz]

Really nice boat👏🏻

[@SGudur]

This is an awesome Cat.. Buy this one or a Lagoon 80.. You will love that too..

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Wow - a Lagoon 80 wold be bit big for us, I would have thought... And yes - the HH50 is spectacular!

[@WillN2Go1]

Neat boat. Great tour. Thanks. It's exciting to know that there are cats that can sail with a hull in the air - without flipping (Maybe they have a list of all the people who've done this or will be able to soon do this, and those are the only people who can tour the boat. They wouldn't even tell me how to get an appointment.) The hulls seem a little wide for a performance cat. (The beam is two feet tighter than similar performance cats. I always wondered if Gunboats were the width they were because of narrow gap between those two sheds in La Grand Motte.) I was wondering about its light wind and passage performance. Thanks for answering that question! (I would've otherwise guessed it'd be similar to a Leopard.) It is super light, for its size 2t lighter than similar length performance cats. The hull windows are spectacular. Brilliant design.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Glad you liked it... Thanks for the support!

[@jacksbackable]

Definitely impressive! I personally, don’t like the China Link! Certainly not check, is it value for money, guess that depends on your perspective. The draft restrictions is a downer, speed is undoubtedly spectacular. Great review, thanks for sharing! Have a Look @ The Balance Catamarans! 👀😎🐬⚓️🏖🌴☀️🇦🇺

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

We did a balance review too - lovely performance cat too with so many smart features!

[@billhanna8838]

Who doesn't want to fly a hull . Bit worried about that huge Perspex port arft in the stern - Never been pooped ?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Not as far as we know, I think the average couple would be happy to not fly a hull but you Bill may be more adventurous at hear! Thanks for watching!

[@jamesaron1967]

The cockpit/saloon integrated lounging space feature was pioneered by Neel yachts, which is called by that company a 'cockloon'. Of course, Neel is not in the same league as HH in performance potential and especially the quality department. Good to see other companies adopting the layout.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for watching and the comments James. Good ideas are usually duplicated by other brands in time...

[@ROCKNAKSYACHTSALESINC]

Nice job Eli & John! It was a pleasure to meet you both in person. Hope to see you again soon.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Scott! can you explain the bow thrusters vs water jets pls?

[@ROCKNAKSYACHTSALESINC]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Hi John, just posted in Douglas's message. Scott

[@skeeter483129]

Should try a HH 44 OC.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Brian

[@AORD72]

Beautiful looking boat. But minimum draft is 1.65 meters, which I guess will limit anchorage options. The rear cabin windows are amazing. And the salon windows look they allow excellent view of the scenery at anchorage. A lot of view blocking junk around the mast, but a lot better than most boats.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes the rudder depths are deep so you need to make sure you don't hit the bottom or dry out... All the other features are spectacular!

[@niconico3907]

They should build retractable rudders to reduce draft.

[@trueconspiracies7945]

Thanks for showing the HH50. I've been looking at this cat for some time. While the cost is an issue, this looks to be a top pick for sure.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for the comment. Very top shelf!

[@SGudur]

But, it is worth for the money paid..

[@williamurbaniak222]

The main attraction of this boat is to enjoy champagne sailing in lighter wind. Most others will be motoring.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

You are 100% right, William!

[@nomenestomen3452]

Thanks for pointing out the flying hull on performance catamarans, other KZbinrs didn't take that into account. I am very curious if a certain couple who started sailing 6 years ago and recently bought the HH44 are aware of this.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Interesting question - I am sure they will but if you don't want to fly a hull, you just keep the boat more conservatively rigged. There was an OUtremer that capsized recently which is the risk in the lighter hulled boats...

[@TheSailingFamily]

Every catamaran will either fly a hull or break a mast/daggerboard/rudder. When you really (REALLY) push your boat, do you want the rig to come crashing down on you or do you want it built strong enough to not break? That's what HH builds.

[@kirkb3473]

Another fantastic boat that’s hard to find something wrong with. This is one man’s opinion but I think one of the strengths of the boat (it’s enormous open cockpit that flows to the saloon) is also its weak point. To me we stood on this boat and that one long bench seating and table reminded me of a church pew. When would a couple cruising ever actually use this space? Also who wants to be seated looking the wrong direction towards the helm station? You don’t…you want to be looking out over the stern at that beautiful anchorage you are in. Stunningly fantastic boat, but this is where it lost its appeal for me, as for how a couple would actually use the boat.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hear what you are saying Kirk. But it is stunning for sure!

[@psy-op]

First time seeing you guys. Sorry to hear about your leopard, is there a vid about the fire? I am not a sailor, but I love watching cat videos Is there ever any safe flying of the hulls, say when the wind is directly behind ?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Welcome to sailing then Psy! You will only fly a hull when the wind is coming Friday m the side (to create the lift) and then of course I is not far or hard to go a little further by accident and cap size…. To do it you need to know what you are doing and have good crew on board and everyone be alert - no beers and cigs out yet back! So for us it is not the way we want to sail with that much stress / excitement!!!

[@calvingarrett3245]

Hello both of you good to see you're out boat shopping kind of like window shopping. I'm sure they can build that boat with no fly hull if you wanted it like that. And I would be worried about capsizing to myself. I don't know anything about boats just what I hear and see on KZbin one day I would like to learn before I'm too old but I would have to learn on a smaller boat before I would purchase a cat or a tri hull. Some of us are not fortunate like most to be able to have a decent boat even a starter boat wish me luck. Both of you take care and be safe God bless you wish you well on finding the right boat watching from Roseville California USA Ray Garrett

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Ray, If there is boat club nearby you can learn how to "sail" on dinghies and that way you will understand the way to set the sails and how to beat upwind, tack, and sail downwind and then when you Get onto a cruising boat, you sail it immediately and then the new techniques are the manouvring under engine, into marinas and dropping the anchor which is relatively easy! So don't delay, get out and sail on anything and you can do it.... Even sailing a windsurfer will teach you how to sail but that is more complex that sailing a boat as you use the lean of the mast to change direction. Hope to see you out there one day! Eli and John

[@calvingarrett3245]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 thank you for the advice that sounds like a good idea I'm 60 years old now but never too old to learn that I've always loved being around both when I can one day I'll be out there God bless and all thank you for the reply always good to hear from you be safe you and your wife enjoy life while you can I hope this covid thing is over with soon watching from Roseville California USA Ray Garrett

[@gbsailing9436]

Nice review, thank you both! It seems I'll be putting in for the Lotto again this week!!! I just watched the recent YT video of the latest Prestige 580. It has the forward cockpit you are after. Very nice and probably more in the price range.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks GB, we are hoping to do a Privelige tour in France early next year...

[@johnhoag2171]

The oc 50 is the one for you. Overbuilt a bit but nice to have if you need it. Like to see a breakdown of prices of the different boats. What is the turn around time to getting one of these babies!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

I think it is 2-3 years from memory. They are not as bad as most cause they have enormous factory space to build many at once.

[@alcibiadesmarcialneto922]

I sure know you’re aware about catamarans triangle. So, if you want performance, comfort and price I think you should run to a monohull!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Well, monohulls are also always a compromise too (racing vs cruisers/ long keel, flat bottomed, lifting keels etc) and unless you go 60 foot or so, getting regular speeds over 15 knots would be rare so performance is always a relative term. Again depends on what you want and where you want to sail as monos are better in certain situations - "you pay your money and you make your choice"!

[@mangowalter8239]

Oh my! Speed and weight are very important but this boat would literally scare me 😳 She’s so light and so fast that I’m afraid I would be sailing with the anchor dragging behind me to slow her down! Lol 😂 Kevlar/carbon are awesome products and very strong, lightweight components but from the MSRP cost, you are paying dearly for this structure benefit. I love the craftsmanship and the layout is superb but not a fan of trying to make those beds up against the hull. Beautiful Catamaran but too fast for me 😉

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Mango, great insights again! Yes, those beds in boats that you have to kneel on to make are a right pain (and very common)!

[@jamesaron1967]

The high speeds are a _potential_ performance aspect of the yacht. Prospective owners don't have to sail at maximum capabilities all the time. It's good to know the performance option is there in case one ever wants to use it, compared to other boats that don't have the higher end performance capability at all.

[@colinfay1211]

@Barefoot Doctors Sailing - If your considering the Explocat, perhaps also checkout Mumby - kzbin.info/aero/PL7kd0Ilb2S4lGA30lMs1uk4wyC_FpCx3P

[@harryatkinson9757]

Have you had a look at the OC44?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Not yet - there wasn't one at the show for us to see.

[@harryatkinson9757]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 They have only just started production, none floating yet but they look like a great option at a better price point than the 50s and 55s.

[@kodiak7]

I’m looking at the oc44

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Lucky you! Spectacular boats and are really well built! Let us know if you tie down one and the delivery date.

[@FighterFred]

Had a Tornado a long time ago, doing 30 knots and flying. But that's not recommended for a cruising cat. Nice boat but with that kind of money you can get a large, used and proven monohull with all equipment.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yep you are right, you can buy a lot of boat in a monohull!!

[@laurieespi4828]

Thanks for an excellent vid! Just one question, Where are the engine room access? Thanks again.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Laurie, engine access from aft cockpit just behind cabin area. Pretty standard position for cats.

[@laurieespi4828]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Cheers for that guys! Maybe you guys could do a review on the new Catana OC catamaran.

[@marktaylor484]

Excellent as usual, any further updates as to the course of your fire? I note that SV Sunrise (Russ and Margy) have sold their L50.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Mark, glad to hear Russ and Marty have sold Sunrise and firm d outcome yet but evidence seems to be pointing toward simple non boat cause...

[@marktaylor484]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 such as...?

[@Dr.gobshite]

80% of the time your at anchor, the heavier cats like the Leopard 50 would be much more comfy. I love the look of the Lamborghini but Im not the type to own one.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

You are right that it is about what and how you want to sail. the hh is for particular type of person

[@WillN2Go1]

That is the essential catamaran question. I ordered a performance cat - If I don't sail a lot more passages, then I will have bought the wrong boat. Only 80% at anchor? I heard it was 90% - Maybe you are a performance cat sailor at heart.

[@putterpants]

For sure it’s a what is the best boat for me situation, however not all days are equal. The day you use the performance capability to manage or avoid dangerous conditions probably matter more than the day you are lounging in a secluded anchorage.

[@finfanfifteen9659]

Well, it looks like the Sunreef brand is what y'all are looking for. The HH boats are gorgeous and Scott R. has done some awesome videos on showcasing them. Now to put me pennies together to afford one.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

@@finfanfifteen9659 Thanks FinFan! We are still going to check out the Explocat 52 and others in Europe that weren't at the show and looking to tick as many of our boxes on our wish list as we can....

[@NJ-Cathie]

At some point can you do a video on sunscreen and sailing? You both are amazing at not getting burned up. Do share all your secrets!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Catherine for the suggestion. We will keep it in mind for the future for you!

[@douglasmontgomery6315]

With insurance like it is, can you imagine insuring a 2-3 million vessel ! Did they mention the OC44 that is on the production schedule? Also, what is the "water jet" option vs the thrusters? Thanks

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Scott Rocknak said he answered you here but perhaps it didn't get posted... I presume water jets are plumbed in so you can seal the area for the watertight void without needing to access it... But I am only guessing.

[@brettdonovan]

Are you looking at the Explocat 52?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes we are hoping to go to their factory when we are in France over this winter and check out the Explocat 52 properly!

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

Its a sailing equivalent of a Ferrari 4 seat GT... Too hot for people who dont want to pretend to or actually race... Impressive interior design and style esp the 55 with the forward cockpit but pretty sure that whole baseline and uncertainty over beaching would see you moving on to other options... 🧐 Strength, stability, pace and grace but has to be do-able and without waiting forever.⛵ Look forward to your next adventure... We've been hit by Snow and 98Mph high winds curtisy of storm Arwen...

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Sorry for your hard times at present. Those episodes of bad weather were my reason for emigrating from Scotland to Aus...

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Just unseasonable bad weather for me awkward as i have flue jabs but for tens of thousands in the NE and wales the winds took trees still part in leaf and power lines out...blocked roads more damage than the beast from the East polar storm. I live high up, a long way from the coast but I know what what a force 11 can do. 🌊🌀🌡️🏔️ Now they are flapping about the new strain of Covid...they thought it came from SA but most recent cases in the UK have no connections or history of travel which means its already in circulation here and Europe...and SA. Lol Heatwaves droughts fires floods and plagues of mice, rabbits, brambles and prickly pear. Choose your enemy 😉 😁... good choice mind you on a days like today.🏖️v☃️

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Wow Clive stay safe and warm!

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 9 days on and they still havent got the power..therefore water .internet and mobile phone masts back on in parts of the N of England and Scotland.

[@crystallimerick4787]

That Lagoon 55 has everything you need. But is it too big?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Chrystal We have sail for a few days on one normal everyday stuff is fine but it is a lot of boat to cover when docking if there is a strong blow!

[@simonroot6979]

Any chance there are reviews of the Privilege 580 or the Outremer 55 in the works?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Simon, there was not a 55 or Series 5 Prilevege at the show but we have arranged to view the new Privileges series 5s when we get to France next year. No Outremer 55's on our plans but we may be able to see one in the Grande Motte show next April as that is where they are made...

[@mariusgrobler4235]

Lovely boat but all things considered in that size i would much rather buy a Balance 523 even if price is same...

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for your support and comments Marius. Still lots more to see too!

[@edfrawley4356]

Just curious, Is max performance on the menu for the Barefoot Dr's? Would they consider what seems to be the ultimate in performance in the Rapido 60 Trimaran? Or are they more into a comfortable ride and a gentler but slower lifestyle? Your tour of the HH seems to hint that you are looking for some performance but you seem to really appreciate the comfortable lifestyle. No wonder buying a new boat is so darn hard. lol As long as you keep on making videos of your search its all good. We are enjoying the journey.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hi Ed, thanks for the comment and we are looking for ourselves but we are not wanting to go really fast unless it is comfortable and easy. We are likely to review some cats/tris that are heading towards the extreme (wet and hard work) that we will not go for but if we do not see them, we will not know and we hope that giving the tours gives everyone a better idea of the pros and cons of each boat. As we have said, each person puts their priorities differently and that is why there are so boat out there and we are now really having to look at how important different features are for us as boats seem to be good in one area but you lose something else - that compromise that always bang on about!!! I would not see us in a Rapido but I would still love to get on board one and have a good look and even sail on one as it would be thrilling ride for a day... I think that for 3000 mile crossing, I may prefer the slower easier sail - but having not sailed on one, I will not prejudge. Regards, John

[@GuyCruls]

water jets v. bow thrusters - what's the difference?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hi Guy, the recent episode discussed jet thrusters - these use water pushed out through a narrow tube. It avoids the big hole in the bow and the propeller in the water. More reliable, less maintenance and safer.

[@skeeter483129]

How about the HH 44?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Brian. That is a lovely boat but misses many features that we found to. be very important - shallow deaf and teachability - check out our episodes S3#1 and 4

[@dc1544]

Wow that is expensive. For that price I would go silent 55 or 64. no gas buying unless you use a generator. you both have tough choices ahead.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

The choice is getting harder DC!

[@toddrose5638]

Lol, it is a show 👍🏻

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

This is a standing joke when we have seen other channels calling themselves a "show". We consider a show something that you put on and act out while we try to show things in our life as they are without being artificial.... At the end of the day it all comes down to your understanding of the term "show" cause if a show is just "showing" what you do, then it is a show - but if a show is a performance that you "put on" and then end when the camera stops, it is not a show... For us, the term "show" it is just a standing joke!

[@djopdam199]

Speed equals safety but flying a hull doesn't make speed safer.......AHHHH PHYSICS

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes indeed - obviously the right amount of sail and staying within those safer margins are the key...

[@crystallimerick4787]

Nice performance but definitely not your style. Keep shopping guys. Love the videos.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks again for your comment and insight!

[@crystallimerick4787]

That Lagoon 55 has everything you need.

[@crystallimerick4787]

That Lagoon 55 has everything you need.

[@BohemianBeatster]

Why does a boat that cost so much money not have proper side tables/shelfs in the bedroom for drinks, etc.?

[@ganzonfamily]

This is a performance cruising catamaran and is designed to travel at speeds over 20knots. To do achieve this, the boat needs a narrow hull and must be light. I think the width of the cabin at the waterline is only 1.7meters, just enough for a queen-sized bed but no side-tables as what you have seen in the video. As they say: every boat design has their pros and cons. Hope this helps ☺️

[@BohemianBeatster]

@@ganzonfamily Thank you for your professional answer.

[@shanebaldwin3917]

what about neel 51

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

None at the show but we are hoping to check them out in France over the winter or spring

[@johanackermann5547]

Wow expensive!!!!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

I guess it isn’t if you think it is worth it to you, still deciding on that one Johan!

[@AhmadAlAjeel]

Oh no.. its a sail drive 🤦 your more likely to hit something and see a gaping hole in the hull and higher service cost and higher service intervals. I dont know why they didn't just go with shaft drives.

[@kirkb3473]

You can choose if you want sail drives or shaft drives. It’s an option offered by a few high end manufacturers of performance cats. There are so few out there though you sort of need to know to ask the question.

[@walterwinn2842]

Not a big fan of the high helm positions

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yeah hear what you are saying, some prefer to be lower floor level where you are not popped up high!

[@tt-mj2rm]

HH catamarans was gunboat into thay had problems with quality and no Warranty , you would have had to pay out off pocket to fix your boat 😤 😒

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Interesting….

[@MrCoyote928]

Which boat do you think 🤔 is the best so far?

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

We are torn because the Seawind wins for the dagger boards, the balance wins for the protected steering station and the HH wins for the space, Leopard wins for the front cockpit... We (and you) have to decide which features are more important. More boats still to check out too! Which do you like the best Danny and Judy?

[@MrCoyote928]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 The Leopard 45 L with the bigger engines and a Highfield Sport 390 /40 HP dingy.

[@harrisonandrew]

Holy Dooley, $3.1M 🤢

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yep!

[@bill2292]

Stop teasing us and tell us what you bought!! I say you bought another Leopard 50, but my wife says you downsized to a 45 (she's usually right). All these other boats have sex appeal, but are second rate cruisers.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Bill, the wait time on L50s is now about 2024 so we will not be able to get one of those and most of these other boats have at least 2 years to wait as well so we are really going to have to get an interim boat (probably) - a smaller one or a second hand one... We will see if your wife's intuition and fortune telling is good or not, won't we! Thanks for the comment

[@captainpaddy1524]

I closely looked at HH Catamarans. However, they are built in China. That's a non-starter.

[@Eddie_-_]

Why? Two of the top 5 boats currently are built in Asia. Personally I trust Asian production much more than any British, American or French. Think cars… Having said that, Outremer build fabulous boats.

[@captainpaddy1524]

@@Eddie_-_ It is a philosophical issue: A portion of the purchase price will go to the Chinese government in taxes. Do you really want to support that oppressive regime?

[@Eddie_-_]

@@captainpaddy1524 delicate problem. But if I have to follow that logic I need to be very selective with all purchases.

[@kirkb3473]

Just keep in mind there is a 25% duty to be paid over top of the list price if you flag this boat as an American vessel. Ways around it, but that should be a consideration.