HH50sc, it's fast, it's sleek, but is it a good boat for cruising?

[@sailinghaldis]

Guys, lovely episode. You never cease to amaze me. Camera work, sound and content all spot on. They were a very impressive couple and reassuring to those of us who are getting started. 😊

[@TheSailingFamily]

Another great episode. Thanks for your thoughts on the HH50!

[@rboston33]

Excellent episode

[@77space-vt8wi]

2-27-24. Good episode. Your dagger board carbon HH50SC is unique and absolutely magnificent. HH obviously listen to you. Jason and Nikki are the beneficiaries with their electric Hybrid HH44OC (hull #3).

[@HeidiandFranny]

These boats are so amazing. Thanks for more content.

[@pirateracer69]

This gentleman is the strong silent type, a good thing, she appears to enjoy an audience. LOL

[@lenwhatever4187]

With induction cooktops, my experience is that most people use them at a higher setting than needed. Anything water based once it gets to boiling it can be turned way down. So long as it is still bubbling the liquid is very close to 100C, going from a power setting of 3 at 100C to a setting of 10 at 100C will not cook it faster unless you are purposely trying to drive out moisture (and burn it). Also, if a magnet doesn't stick to the bottom of your pot, it is not suitable for an induction cooker. Most will turn themselves off if the pot is not the right one... those that don't will burnout sooner or later.

[@user-mj6sl9qv8j]

I hear a lot of people talking about mono v cat as a choice. for most its about budget - all said and done when you double the hull, you double the cost. from buying it to running it. and a huge up front cost for a decent performance cat. Even not using it - the depreciation, marinas, maintenance, insurance must be well over 50k+ a year.

[@ashleykerlin]

Catherine is great! Completely engaged as an equal partner in that couple. With so many sailing couples, the wife seems relegated to being the deckhand, the anchor wench. And the bloke dominates every technical aspect of the conversation. Catherine is all over the boat's system management, electrical load balancing, sail plan. She's brilliant. And Todd is a lovely calm and measured guy. A lovely couple living the life together. But if Catherine ever wants a new sailing partner, my hand′s up!

[@svfairisle]

Yes they work well together and sail that boat like demons!

[@ApakukiNayacakalou]

LOL!

[@lungarotta]

People who navigate can be divided into two cathegories: the ones who like speed and the ones who like slow sailing. If you belong to the first then a fast catamaran is an obvious choice. But they are bound to be never satisfied... I was striken by the biography of Steve & Linda Dashew: they passed from one boat to a bigger one every couple of years or so (and the first was already quite large according to my taste), on the basis that the bigger the boat the faster she is, and that you need a fast boat to escape bad weather. (I really question this concept of "escaping bad weather" but it's too long to talk about it here now). The logical consequence of this was that after an incredible number of new and bigger boats they turned to a monstrous (both for the size and the look) motor boat. This obsession for speed (both in life and sailing) to me shows a lack of relationship with the sea and the present: your mind is always projected towards the future, the place you want to reach and the journey is just something to attain your goal as fast as possible. To me sailing is like walking or cycling: I choose to walk in nature because it's the only way you can really be in contact with it, enjoying every step and everything you meet along the way. The destination has a relative importance as the journey itself is the real goal. If I need to reach a destination quickly then I take a car but then the hours spent driving are just lost hours, lost life, like when we are motoring in a busy motorway. A slow old boat is the kind of transport which allows you to exit from this curse of always thinking about future and so not enjoying the present. And of course she must be strong enought to give you a sense of security even during bad weather.

[@gregmorgan8900]

I promote you to full guru status. Well done.

[@thatwhit1]

That’s a lovely thoughtful comment!

[@rumbepack]

Good comment but is fundamentally flawed for the simple fact that sailing fast is simply fun and enjoyable also a fast boat almost certainly can move in light air which means less motoring.

[@lungarotta]

@@rumbepack It's not a matter of being flawed or not, both statements are right, it all depends on your preferences, on what is more important to you, on what you want to do with a boat. That is why I started my comment saying "People who navigate can be divided into two cathegories". I belong to one cathegory and you belong to the other, both enjoy sailing in one's own way. (🙂

[@solaireastora5394]

​@@lungarottayour statement regarding relationships with the sea implies too much that the speed party is wrong, people should sail how they want to sail, neither way is wrong or right, it's all just preferences

[@mountaindweller9118]

Great interview of an awesome boat and owners! Not sure I would personally use 100K daggerboards as curb feelers though! 😆 I'll be interested to see actual payload capacity on the 44. Could be a challenge to keep it light if cruising full time. Cheers.

[@barbroevanderlindquist4128]

Hope you are all rigth! Ruff, tuff time in the area!😳

[@rolfsvensson5777]

Anything under 50 feet~ A hobby horse!

[@dc1544]

HH makes some of the best cats on the market. I watched Wynn's on a HH55 and I was blown away how fast they could go in 12 knots of wind at 29 degree angle and it was smooth and not bashing about. I do think the HH44 will not be as smooth as a 50 or 55 but will be way better than any 44-48 cats that are way heavier. Are you looking at a catamaran for the future?

[@svfairisle]

No we have the boat we want to sail around the world in. I can see the attraction of cats but on the whole we are happy with a monohull and Fair Isle is perfect for us.

[@CarlMims]

Great video, thanks for taking the time to create it. He refers to load pins that read into the B&G. Can you point me to what he was talking about?

[@svfairisle]

I'm not sure exactly what system they use on this boat to dynamically measure the tension of the rig there are various gauges. Cyclops is what they use on a lot of race boats, so it might be that... yachtracing.life/keep-an-eye-on-rig-and-line-loads-with-cyclops-link/

[@alistairtillen3512]

Love your videos but did feel a bit sorry for the husband 😬

[@grantmoore8889]

Beautiful boats HH

[@Div3r]

That oven and cooktop looked the bee's knees do you know what make they were? The fact they were designed for marine use was interesting.

[@malgraham351]

Think you have seen the light. The previous video really didn't say it was a racing cat but more a performance cruiser with racing pedigree

[@iMcWatch]

you mention Jimmy Cornell's boat, his boat was specifically set up for the elcano chalange and as such he was relying more on hydrogeneration. The boat only had 1.3kW of solar so not enough if the boatspeed was low, but at higher speeds could generate more power than needed. the HH44 is set up better in that it can have up to 5kW of solar and that together with the hydrogeneration is a much better setup. if you look at the Windelo for example, they are totally electric, no hybrid engines like the HH44, however you can have one or two generators fitted if you want. it also can have up to 5kW of solar, possibly more on the larger versions and you can opt for additional wind power (although wind power not really that good, as you would anker where there are less wind and swell and if you do passages you try not to sail upwind, more solar is always better)

[@svfairisle]

Yes I agree, he had nowhere near enough solar

[@TheSailingFamily]

But the Windelo still has a generator, so not all that different than the HH44 (Marketing claims aside). Both are actually considered Hybrid boats. One is a Serial Hybrid and one is a Parallel Hybrid. The only difference is that Windelo can only propel the boat using electricity where the HH44 has dual redundancy options.

[@iMcWatch]

@@TheSailingFamily redundancy is the buzzword these days when it comes to electric drives. Aren’t you a bit biased to the HH though? Nothing wrong with that, you should support the company you work for. Most monohulls only have one diesel motor, so no redundancy. In my view it is what you are comfortable with both the HH and the Windelo has redundancy in different ways, the two just have a different philosophies to propulsion

[@bigguy467]

Did you see the Polish made 100% Electric, with Solar Panels built into the entire Hull. Looking at the Boat from 100 feet away, the entire thing looks Black. It's about 60 feet and never runs out of electricity. They have an emergency smaller Diesel engine on board incase of breakdown or no sun for 10 days....., but normally not needed. It was recently at the Boat show in Dubai.

[@svfairisle]

Sounds cool

[@lordjoni187]

Catamaran is the best but currently the NEEL 65 is my favorite

[@syncacct8576]

Just put in Oceanvolt engines and a generators and more batteries to balance the weight on both hulls

[@Traktruk]

I thought there was an update or addition to the previous video as you have already put this out previously. Why upload again? Strange

[@svfairisle]

We do this quite often. The episode has a small section of the interview but then we put out the whole interview separately. We can never put more than a few minutes in an episode because we always want a mixture of subjects and the majority of viewers don't want to see the extended version, but then of course some do, so this is for them.

[@Traktruk]

I guess it would help to say “extended version “ or something.

[@Kingsoly]

So carbon is less flexible that Fiber and epoxy do they have any issues when docking i.e. bumping the dock - less forgiving that Fglass?

[@svfairisle]

It would be a worry for me I think as a bash on the dock could prove very expensive. The dagger boards arn't as big of an issue as I thought though it seems as Todd & Catherine have found they don't need to be too precious with them as they are so strong and the knock they did have could just be faired out with normal fiberglass filler. Because it's solid the strength isn't compromised by having a bit of a chunk out of it.

[@kianaukai9995]

Carbon fiber actually tends to have pretty favorable strength curves in terms of flexibility when comparing it with fiberglass, most would probably consider it a bit more forgiving all things considered. As far as bumping the dock goes.. if you're worried about hitting a dock at the speeds required to put a hole in a solid carbon HH hull, you should probably get some practice in with a smaller less expensive boat.

[@svfairisle]

@@kianaukai9995 It may be true that a certain section of carbon fibre might have favourable ductility compared to a glass layup given the carbon would be thinner for any given strength demands. The issue is if you do incur damage ( which can be totally not you fault, like when we were smashed against the customs dock in Greece last year because a super yacht came past at 20 knots!) damage to a glass hull is relatively easy and cheap to repair a carbon one is not.

[@solaireastora5394]

​@@svfairisletrue but if you have a carbon boat I think you have the money for someone to do some vac bag work

[@bisa34]

Is the HH 50 suitable for who aim at sailing the Med and not arround the world, Those typically doing 2000 nautical miles per year on a seasonal basis ? And place significant importance on easy maneuvering and handling single handed even in a marina ? And why not going for a Kinetic 54 for more performance but also substantial additional confort for 15% price increase compared to HH 50. Thank you 😛

[@TheSailingFamily]

I think it's more like 50% more? If you buy a Kinetic 54 then consider the HH55!

[@kianaukai9995]

The Kinetic 54 is a less performant boat than the HH50 with the max rig when accounting for everything. The other thing to consider is that HH has a lot of boats in the water and big players like Morelli and Melvin involved, Kinetic does not.

[@MichaelSchrade]

It could be that the requirement for easy single handed manoeuvring is a conflict of objectives with a forward cockpit. Just a thought.

[@paulbennett7743]

I owned a HC48 for about years and a Catana 42 for a little less time. The Catana was by far the clear winner in terms of cruising comfort, practicality, speed, maintenance and cost of ownership. Just my experience, not trying to start an argument. I only sold it to buy the 47'ft version

[@svfairisle]

But where did you travel with the Catana? If we were stooging around a little bit of coast having friends aboard I might think a cat was better to, it might even have been more comfortable these last few years in the Med (it wouldn’t have been cheaper with marina prices for cats though) Going forward from here the HC wins every time for me. Who knows if we decide to stop in 10 years and just cruise one spot a Cat might make sense.

[@paulbennett7743]

I don’t think I have stooged anywhere - not in the last 20 years anyway. I am not going to give you a laundry list of locations where I have transited in both vessels but rest assured my observation had very little to do with coastal weekend sailing or stooging around the med.

[@shalaconballard9912]

The biggest problem with catamarans are in the fact their owners like these guys get a false sense of security. The cat just does not have enough hull in the water to make them stable. Those light sails that they come with is actually a safety so that the sail will rip out rather than the boat flipping over in high winds .

[@firstlast1047]

When you say "...enough hull in the water..." are you referring to ballast? I have engaged in over 48 years of sailing. I have NEVER heard of any naval architect, boat designer, sailmaker, propose a sail to deliberately fail in high winds for the purpose of preventing capsizing.

[@lockeddown9779]

​@@firstlast1047 What I derive from "...enough hull in the water...", is that catamarans are planing (semi displacement) gaining its stability via the two hulls vs monohulls being full displacement with variations between heavy and light, obtaining its stability via the keel and ballast. Monohulls will heel over in strong winds, gusts and spill the wind, relieving the loads on the sails. Catamarans will absorb all the same forces and require stress gauges to monitor the loads of the sails and rigging, which can be catastrophic if caught by surprise. So in areas of high latitude, beyond 50 degrees N or S, is where monohulls remain prevalent.

[@carltontweedle5724]

I ken I will get slammed for this, but you are not getting younger. So I think you should think of two hulls, sorry I think FAIR ISLE is a dream boat. You have made her one of the best live a boards in the world. Sorry I ken you love her as anyone who watches your channel.

[@sailingsomeday5975]

Soon the Wynns will be able to answer your question with the little sister

[@leecoleman822]

🅰️

[@robertw.1499]

Not difficult to say who’s got the trousers on in this couples relationship. Catherine: „I have a rule….“ or „… my boat….“ No „we“ or „our“ 😂 Just a small comment 🤪

[@bigguy467]

I noticed that too.

[@markstokes3685]

An aggressive beard

[@ashleykerlin]

Oh dear. A strong woman in a couple…

[@MrJudg3]

1:41 First interruption 3:30 Second interruption 3:55 Third interruption 9:36 Fourth interruption ... Poor lad.

[@ashleykerlin]

How dare a woman be an active participant in a technical conversation. Shut up and let the men talk! They understand this stuff.

[@ashleykerlin]

Oh please! Selective much? Let's look a little more carefully shall we? 2:20 Todd interrupts Catherine 3:30 is banter not interrupting 4:40 you missed this time Catherine did interrupt Todd 5:30 Steve interrupts Todd 6:20 Judy interrupts Catherine 9:56 Todd interrupts Catherine 10:17 Steve asks about drogue looking at Todd because technical topic! 11:30 Steve asks about weight and Todd looks to Catherine - clearly she was the one who did all the research on this. 12:10 Steve interrupts Catherine 15:26 Catherine interrupts Todd 17:40 Steve interrupts Todd 18:30 Steve interrupts Todd again And so on. Welcome to 2-way and 4-way conversation. Perhaps you are too used to be the only one talking?

[@Phantomedic]

She just won't let him speak!!!! Stop interrupting him!!!! Ugh

[@colbysheridan6728]

Agreed

[@ashleykerlin]

Oh rubbish! Catherine is great. Completely engaged as an equal partner in that couple.