Barra vs 2JZ: Which One is Actually Better?

[@Dustrunnersauto]

I should’ve clarified better that the Barra block is definitely stronger, but the 2JZ block isn’t far behind as far as peak power potential. The 2JZ is cast with a harder material, as tested and shown by the guys at Motive Video, but that doesn’t mean it can handle more peak power. If you guys enjoyed the video, please SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON. It helps the channel out a huge amount and helps KZbin put the video in front of more people. Thanks for watching 😬

[@Explorerman1293]

Love that Barra, definitely a hidden gem in the US. And yo I've been watching your similar videos for a while and would love to see you do an episode on the new civic Si engine (L15b7). Keep up the great work!

[@matden5595]

Do a 3sge vid

[@prayerwarriorintraining2023]

Barra da wirkd!

[@Barryhick186]

You said the 2jz is made of better material and is using a Siamese bore. But the Barra is still stronger?. That bullet Barra isn't using a stock iron block btw it's using a billet block, To run high 6s. Against 2jzs doing 5s with iron blocks. I'm a fan of both engines but you're over hyping the Barra.

[@corporalpunishment1133]

The Barra's big advantage is displacement and roller cams me thinks. Roller cams give you more flow for the same duration because the valves can be opened and closed faster. It's also why the head is so much taller. 👍🇦🇺

[@Lewislpalm]

The beauty of the Barra is that you can get one for $500 from a wrecker. The JZ is a fantastic motor but you can build a 700hp Barra for less then you'd spend on simply acquiring a 2JZ.

[@Sohcdaddy]

I saw one for sale in Campbelltown for 300 bucks 🤘😂

[@lachlanmartin5573]

Yep and a n/a 2jz out here is somewhere in the ballpark of $1500 which is mad and I think the 2jz-gte is around $5000-$6000

[@jamesrobertson3853]

This is what I wanted to know if you do a price comparison in Australia the Barra must win right if you do a price comparison in America I don't know can you import a barra and make the same amount of horsepower for less than a 2JZ that's something that they have to figure out so it's not about what's better it's what's the least expensive which makes the same amount of horsepower in relation to the different locations

[@lachlanmartin5573]

@@jamesrobertson3853 there is a drag team in Sweden that imported a barra and shoved it into a Volvo. But an answer to your question the barra is a little bit more cost effective. AUD$500 for a Barra, AUD$5904 for FedEx shipping (Engine weights approximately 240kg and the shipping rate to U.S. is AUD$24.6/KG.)(you may find it cheaper elsewhere FedEx was the only one I could find with actual pricing instead of quotes) so that takes it to AUD$6400 compared to importing a 2JZGTE w/VVT-I from Japan AUD$7360. There isn't a great load of difference but you are going to save nearly AUD$1000.

[@Lewislpalm]

@@jamesrobertson3853 mate the market for importing Barras should be booming. I'm surprised that it isn't. We have millions of them, they are in every taxi and basic run about sedan. It's our version of the Crown Victoria.

[@TVperson1]

Ford's management is pretty dumb, why didn't they just offer a Mustang with a Barra? Could have saved the Australian car industry.

[@TVperson1]

@@JAME-SON First of all, it's spelt "they" not "thay", did you fail kindergarten or something? Second, ford should have imported the Australian built Barra to the US and put it in the Mustang. How don't you get this? Here's a link to help you out dsf.net.au/teaching-reading-for-older-students-adults/

[@rapidfiremuzik_official]

@@TVperson1 | imagine if someone like FPV or better (Dyno-mite Performance) got involved with the Engine builds and were sent stateside for those 'Stangs....Prob be more Stangs on the road than there already is in Brisbane 🤣🤣

[@christate3523]

Because then it would compete directly with the V8, stock or modded. A FBO tuned Barra with a bigger, stock replacement turbo would wipe the floor with a FBO mustang

[@AU10ZC]

The thing would have been a lead tipped arrow. Same as the modular V8 falcons. Now if the Barra was an alloy block...........

[@MrMarton7]

It would've done fuck all, Holden went down as well as ford, it was all about the trade laws and importing in materials and maintaining employees in the age of automation. Japan, China and Korea were smashing it with fully automated robotic systems and cheap as chips materials imported via strong trade relationships with other nations which Australia just could not compete with. On top of this the Falcon's were designed like the Mustangs of yesteryear where you have all different models at all different price ranges and all different power outputs. You'd have people who want the V8's (the xr8), the straight six but that performance style (the xr6), the luxury for all your business endeavours (Fairlane and Fairmont), the everyday driver who just wants a good reliable car (the XT) and lastly those who want the most performance ford could offer (The FPV range). This whole system meant everyone could get their perfect falcon and made their cars unique opposed to factory made standard off the shelf shit that Asian countries were making for next to nothing. Unfortunately that novelty wore off, the whole way the Australian car market worked no longer aligned with how Australia made cars. Breaking up the manufacturing facilities to only make engines to export to America couldn't have saved the Australian car industry in the same way that exporting Monaro's to the UK underneath Pontiac didn't save Holden.

[@matthewsainsbury681]

A destroked barra just made 2202hp at the back wheels at summernats 33

[@DhirC35]

3.7l?

[@GIGABACHI]

We need a link or something, Mate...otherwise its Vaporware. 👌

[@matthewsainsbury681]

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[@matthewsainsbury681]

Still looking for the 2200 run, this was the day before

[@matthewsainsbury681]

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[@chrisbruton5937]

As an Australian I am very proud of our in house designed and manufactured barra engine, petty ford Australia went to shit and that's that. I disagree with the exposure to US market with development of aftermarket though us convicts downunder have some of the smartest people on the planet in this area and the resent 2000 plus hp at the recent summernats is proof of this... Give the barra the same timeline as the 2j and we will see what happens👍🍻 Oh and both engines are awesome just that we made ours. Not bad for a bunch of convicts🤗

[@jeremiahpike6372]

I think he was looking at aftermarket support from an American viewpoint. Since the motor wasn't released in the U.S. there are very few American aftermarket companies that produce parts for it. Of course Americans can always order parts out of Australia but availability of aftermarket parts sitting on the shelf is a big difference when your car is broken. This is the main reason the LS gm engines are so popular in the U.S. Tons of aftermarket parts sitting on shelves waiting to be sold right here in the U.S.

[@apachelives]

Back when we used to make things in this country.

[@babyj6143]

How u doin

[@broncomikey6681]

As an American, I wish Ford Australia never closed their doors, or any of the other manufacturers down there. I would have been first in line if Ford imported the Falcon here. That engine would have been great in half ton pickup trucks too.

[@potaka79]

@@broncomikey6681 Oh you mean a ute, yeah it would have been amazing.

[@Izzy-oo5rm]

Ive seen some barras do over 900 000kms and majority of them have done ATLEAST 500 000kms but never seen a 2JZ with those figures (I could be wrong). I love them both but when reliability comes into the conversation the barra wins that one.

[@lilcapjester]

My mates intech 4.0l has done over 1 million klms, amazing engines

[@CatsFerDays]

I daily an is300 since 215k miles, sitting at 312k rn. No major motor problems, seals are the only issue I’ve had so far

[@jamespython5147]

My 1995 EF Falcon is at 425,000. Done 3 head gaskets though. Blame the cheap thermostats!

[@danielchilinski2110]

My Barra should be in my garage in Utah in the next month

[@justincowan4520]

How hard was it to locate and import? Realllllyyy want to swap this engine in a us car. What is your swap for?

[@danielchilinski2110]

While yes they are cheap in Australia they are a little more pricey to get imported and through customs here in the US. I went through dominator Motorsports for mine

[@danielchilinski2110]

Utes and trucks are different things. We had similar Utes in the use from the 50s-80s in the form of the El Camino and for ranchero

[@justincowan4520]

I call Utes car trucks 😂 bad ass machines though!

[@chipollinovafunculo8578]

@@AFTRD3TH oh yeah 1k+🤔

[@onedayiwillmakesomecontent]

Oh yeah barras are everywhere mate! Got one in the missus' car, one on a stand in the shed, bloody tripped over one going to the pub the other day! Fair dinkum! Lol

[@joelsrailwayadventures.2966]

Same lol🤣

[@AKK5I]

Not sure if this guys a being a cunny funt but the missus drives Territory (which has a Barra), I have a red top XR6T that I'm working on in the shed, and the last time I caught a taxi to the pub (cause nowadays it's all uber), it was a falcon black cabs that I tripped over getting out of 😂

[@ryanhunt7264]

GM built it vetter

[@nordic5490]

@@AKK5I me the same.

[@ardengrosfeld442]

I read this in an Australian accent

[@reyneke123]

Bara was also available in South Africa in the Ford Terretory NA 4.0 and Territory ST 4.0 Turbo.😉

[@jennyhenningham4100]

A lot of Barras now being imported into South Africa. Not enough Territorys there to supply the engines the big horsepower brigade want! Conversely Ford Fairmont GTs are being exported from South Africa to Australia; export version of the Falcon GT originals of which now fetch eye watering prices.

[@guilliman1990]

Barra is one of the best motors ever made it's an utter beast. Near unbreakable if cared for. There's a reason that modified street cars are running easy 400kw power figures.

[@adamhsr]

There's literally tens of stock internal supras running 500plus rwkw. Was even onenpushing 670rwkw

[@vlt873]

@@adamhsr a later barra can do that too. With 4 litres of displacement and an undersquare design the Barra makes huge torque compared to a 2J. Make no mistake, making 1000hp from 3 litres requires a big turbo and big revs, lag is a given you can't avoid that.The stock gt3582r from the BA-BF will support more power than the twins on a Supra before they went to the GT3576 in the FG. The 2J is also expensive to buy, the Getrag V160 6 speed costs more than a 2J itself and the A340 auto is only a 4 speed. The Barra has better options for gearboxes too.

[@adamhsr]

@@vlt873 the gearbox comes with the car. And so does it's big diff. Silly to count them as additional. The supra gearbox is much better than the Ford's. I know fpvs autos fucking up at the 500rwkw mark after some time. There's like 1200hp supras still running the getrag. Also the big diff is also great on the supra.

[@n1njaweedman]

@@adamhsr the autos were bad but the manual tremec tr6060 and t56 gearboxes paired with the barra are near invincible.

[@AdamTait-hy2qh]

@@adamhsr kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXirY4WNbt9og6c

[@MitchDenham]

During development, the codename for the Barra was 'The Gull' 'cause it shits on everything else 👌

[@yjkader]

This is true, it is also true that Barra is named after the 'Barramundi' fish, which is known for its fighting spirit, speed and agility.

[@aternateus5835]

Hahahah

[@falconpowerful2362]

Yep, “Flies high and shits on practically everything”. I remember reading that around the time that the BA was just coming out.

[@AndrewEG]

Dingo was the code name for the NA I6 and Gull was the turbo I6 code name :)

[@mustbefast9923]

Nice

[@DhirC35]

I like the barra motor more because it has bigger cams available for it And i like a very rough idle

[@danpmatz]

Big lob =nice chop

[@MV60]

Cams, springs, intercooler and plumbing, intake relocation mods = easy power after a tune. Bigger turbo isn't initially required as it's already pretty large. Downside is the land boats they're fitted in.

[@berrybum74]

Check our “ghost cam” for Barra

[@MV60]

@@berrybum74 A feature that is mostly show as you can't run it for long or it damages the engine and cats. Check out zac baldy.

[@jameswhiteman6901]

I can fit any cam to any engine dik.?.

[@archygrey9093]

Most of the taxies here in Australia use Barras and its not unusual for them to have over 1,000,000 km on the clock. Mine has more than 300,000 km and still sounds and feels like new despite never been opened up.

[@pharith7883]

Mate time to buy a Toyota corola u wasting to much fuel in the counrty

[@archygrey9093]

@@pharith7883 4L barras aren't fuel hogs unless you thrash them. And I've used a corola in the past and fuel usage is not that much lower. Also the barra will last much longer, it does most of its work at low rpm and is generally stress free. I do alot of highway driving for hours on end at 110 kmh and the barra will generally rev at 2100 rpm. The corola has less km on the clock but is already burning oil

[@s4ss.m8]

​@@pharith7883my XT with a full exhaust, intake and tune gets 9.9L per 100ks at 100ks an hour on a highway, it jumps to 14.5 in town/city though.

[@s4ss.m8]

And it's very nearly at 385,000Ks it's getting a turbo setup until it dies and I either rebuild the motor or just find myself an FG Turbo block

[@apachelives]

Here in Australia $350 USD gets you a good Bara with a free rest of the car* * Fuel cap not included, wheels not matched for burnout spec

[@wadeshinners437]

apachelives have you ever tried breaking a fuel cap off of a b series falcon?

[@apachelives]

@@wadeshinners437 Haha no? Difficult?

[@ScottKenny1978]

😆😆😆

[@THEedcbb3]

@@wadeshinners437 that is a suspiciously suspicious selling point lol

[@wadeshinners437]

apachelives me and my mates tryed it out and required being belted by a floor jack, being stood on while open and absolutely flogged with a scissor jack before breaking off

[@kaumohlamonyane272]

I am from South Africa and we have a few dirt cheap Barra engines on the market.

[@captainzoll3303]

I always forget that you guys get our aussie cars in SA.

[@mikeymike8594]

Yup! Saw some going for R8500. They the NA ones though, i think.

[@craigjones9244]

Buy them mate its the same motor they don't have to be turboed just put a set of pistons and rods in get yourself a turbo and your away👍🏻

[@twistentiger5610]

@@captainzoll3303 I lived in Africa before moving to Australia. Never seen an Aussie car

[@captainzoll3303]

@@twistentiger5610 in south africa though?

[@doodlebob-t1t]

england: dumps a bunch of convicts on an overgrown island convicts: hehe 4L 6 cylinder make 2000 horsepower

[@Name-yp3pi]

Barely makes 2000 lol

[@doodlebob-t1t]

@@Name-yp3pi type up 2000hp barra, they exist

[@Name-yp3pi]

@@doodlebob-t1t yeh ik I was just saying

[@Name-yp3pi]

@@doodlebob-t1t even tho right now they do make up to 2200hp. 2jz makes up to 4000hp but it’s pricey

[@doodlebob-t1t]

@@Name-yp3pi anything past 600hp is major overkill anyways, but barras are also 11 years younger then 2JZs, theres still alot of potential and parts for barras. 2JZs are expensive, getting worn out and hard to replace.

[@atomicmillenial9728]

It really depends on the application. A mate of mine had a tidy '93 Supra with an NA 2J. It was quick, but my shitty old ex-council AU Falcon ute (with the Barra's predecessor, the SOHC Intech) would consistently blow the doors off it from a standing start. Not every 2J is a GTE, not every Barra is a turbo motor.

[@1S1KC0DM4N]

Well the Barra is a more torquey motor so it’s no surprise it walked on a GE with only 210lb ft (assuming it was stock)

[@kaneclark7171]

All the ports are there for the turbo just like how Nissan makes engine that are (det) everyone knows if the engine number ends with (DE) it can have a turbo easy just plug and play, ford did the same thing all the 2006+ barra engines have same size rods and pistons as the green top engine and has all ports to be drilled out for turbo!

[@vortecmacs]

Pfff, if it’ll fit a Cummins it’ll fit a Barra.

[@johnpodo]

I had seen one of the US built muscle(cant recall what it is) car swapped out V8 for 1,200HP turbocharged Barra engine. Very streetable, reliable and no issues so far after several years. A great testament to the Ford engineers in Australia.

[@splint3048]

I did my apprenticeship with Ford in the late eighties and was in the engine lab for a few months. The first of the overhead cam inline sixes were coming through at the time which evolved into what we see here. There were a couple of engineers in the lab around that time who quietly had the guys build up and tune one to see how much they could get out of it, I understand they got close to 1000hp out of it.

[@dylandesmond]

1000hp in a barra is nothing these days they're pushing past 3000hp on cast blocks now, and over 4000hp on billet blocks

[@dylanjones2226]

@@dylandesmond the fastest drag car barra pushes 2200 where did you get these numbers?

[@dylandesmond]

@@dylanjones2226 look up bullet race engineering they make billet barras, my 14.3mm headstuds haven't moved yet and I'm just at 2000hp dynoed on a cast block with a 16mm girdle and stock caps, I'll be upgrading them as they're the last part in my whole motor that hasn't been replaced. That's on a v15 vortech. They were hitting 2200hp on cast blocks 2 years ago... technology has improved a lot since

[@dylandesmond]

@@dylanjones2226 and that was 2 years ago on a destroked 3.7L at only 8500rpm on a 10500rpm setup

[@dylandesmond]

@@dylanjones2226 when bullet first released their barras they were rated to 3000hp, people have blown them around 4500hp on the dyno

[@legoman911]

I am a barra owner, love the engine, but I still have to say the 2JZ is an tough as nails due to an awesome design by Toyota

[@patrickjohnson6448]

Design for the jz was Yamaha, 2jz is very similar to 1jz ( few changes ) so credit for design should go to Yamaha

[@kenthang3729]

@@patrickjohnson6448 Yamaha designed the Head for the 1JZGTE and revision headwork for the 2JZGTE (which is a smaller percentage of assistance). That's why 1JZGTE covers have Yamaha stamped on them but the 2JZGTE does not. The bottom half of the engine, over-engineered oil-pump, pistons, rods, crankshaft, metallurgy, quality control, siamese bore, water/oil galleries and everything else not part of the head is all Toyota's engineering which is also very creditable in a larger % than Yamaha.

[@guycha0s380]

No

[@brainumb6078]

Those Barra engine can do well over a million ks there in taxis lol

[@isiahwoodskerser9894]

Mine is at 3000 ks

[@danielherschell3688]

Sitting on 500km

[@swingking08]

Neighbours says his is at over 2mil lol sceptical but possible hahah

[@Thatcressidaguy]

100%!

[@DigitalJunki3Gaming]

@@swingking08 i heard it stops counting at 999.999k

[@booker_buddy6952]

The barra has a couple versions, gas block and stock standard, gas block has stronger pistons and con rods and cam, due to lpg ( liquid petroleum gas) being very explosive which was the same motor used in the XR6T (xr 6 turbo) the difference was the top, green top being gas, silver being standard and red top was xr6t, so to build a decent car in aus, start off with a ba dedicated gas (lpg only) put that motor into your petrol car, and for about 2,500 $ AUD (Australian doller) you can actually have a quick car that could run a 12 pushing at 350 kw (469.358 hp) without having to spend top dollar, hope this all made sense to everyone

[@MajRatbag]

I've got a 2011 Territory with 211,000 km on the clock, that's only just run in for a Barra. I'm a Kiwi but I gotta hand it to the Ozzies, they did themselves proud with this engine, good on ya Oz :)

[@jimskfczingerboxes2609]

Even if ur a Holden fan you still gotta love the Barra

[@shaynewilliams8045]

Jim’s KFC zinger boxes nope hates barras

[@potaka79]

@@shaynewilliams8045 pissfunny 🤣🤣

[@MrWilliam.Stewart]

What is Holden? Oh that's right the deceased name plate for GM in Australia. Apparently Holden passed away 10 years ago, didn't stop GM funneling millions of Australian tax payer dollars back to the US just before they turned off the life support though. Way back when, before GM interference, Holden was a iconic manufacturing company in Australia.

[@jimskfczingerboxes2609]

William Stewart even with ur pointless facts it’s still better then ford

[@bugproductions9050]

I am a Holden fan and the barra is a pearler of an engine.

[@jmyd83]

The Aussie's brought a Barra over and Swapped it into a Fox body Mustang for Drag Week

[@GIGABACHI]

And it was AWESOME.👌😎

[@markbremmer8642]

Yes they did. He first one had problems. Luckily they had another engine available and made one from the two. I watched that series.

[@barra245t2]

@@markbremmer8642 yeah that's Benny's custom works and skid factory.

[@Abb0nz1]

#8secondcresta

[@VA-ng2ve]

@@markbremmer8642 The problem he had with the Barra in the Cresta was a dropped valve. That was a complete fluke.

[@rampage351]

Check out the limited edition Ford Falcon FGX XR6 Sprint. This was the last barra turbo falcon. It has 435hp (424 lb torque) and overboosts to 496hp (479 lb torque). 0 - 60mph in 4.6 second. Not bad for a 4 door family sedan.

[@Levi-qb2uf]

On a proper drag strip it's 4.1 seconds, pretty good for a heavy family car without launch control.

[@rampage351]

@@Levi-qb2uf Wow that's even better. Absolutely. 😁👍

[@robmackay973]

they have launch control

[@lukeday87]

My old man bought one, the thing was a weapon, couldnt believe it when he sold it

[@stevenrex7571]

Also the barra’s are a newer motor, so not only are they common as dog shit in Australia, they’re all In fairly good knick, especially if you lift one from a FG Falcon

[@doodlebob-t1t]

also almost all of them are sitting in unmolested family cars

[@HeanieBlat]

I got a turbo on my one

[@Tommyblueeyes]

@@HeanieBlat that's basically what they mean here....

[@kaneclark7171]

Come to Adelaide then say that again 🤣🤣 fords are thrashed out to the Max even family cars, you don't think old mate gets pissed off with kids yelling in the back and some dickhead doing 40 in a 60 zone

[@JosephCowen-ru7up]

Did you say a newer motor ? This motor started life in 1961 as the 144ci Falcon motor , evolving to the 170ci Super Pursuit motor then the 188 ci , 200ci and 250ci 2V motor after that came the 3.3 and 4.1 litre which are just metric 200 and 250 but adding Canted Valve V8 Cleveland style heads that finally came in alloy and EFI , then in 1987 they slapped a OHC head on the 200 and 250 but called them their real displacements 3.2 litre and 4.0 litre , then the next evolution is the Barra with DOHC head and finally a turbo. All one engine line back to the 144ci in 1961. To prove a point , a Barra crank will fit in a 1961 144ci six , same bellhousing , flywheel , starter and the list goes on , even same bore spacing , long way from a new engine.

[@calebgarland1093]

What he didn't mention is that the barra is actually LIGHTER by over 30kg, despite having a whole litre of displacement over the 2jz. Though the real lack of comparison in this video, is that the barra engine was literally designed for taxis that are renowned for doing millions of kms. As a apposed to a sport coupe, designed for performance..... Not to mention you can literally make an extra 200rwkw with just an intake and exhaust

[@joytech23]

One of the best reasons for owning a Barra over a 2JZ is the power delivery, It makes a lot of low RPM power and torque, and peak power/torque over a huge chunk of the RPM range. That quality makes it a fantastic swap for a larger vehicle like a pickup. If only it was modernised a bit it would have probably been a good fit for the F250.

[@Milo-mc6dd]

4 years ago i imported a Barra and put it in my 3000gt. Since the day i put it in its been running at 660hp and i drive it a lot. 10k+ miles a year

[@pottnah6152]

Pics I literally want to do the exact same thing

[@A_lesson_in_Hate]

Nice video, I made over 600hp with the standard turbo and unopened engine with simple bolt ons on my barra, 2j is a proven performer but you just can't do that with the factory turbos that's why a lot of people love it bang for buck.

[@coreycarpenter2489]

I live in Australia and love the Barra. I agree with the conclusion and happy we have an engine that competes with some of the other great engines out there.

[@camver100]

FYI : aftermarket support is huge in Australia - to the point where seeing a 900-1000hp Barra isn’t exciting anymore. It’s only in the US where aftermarket support is low.

[@MrFathead]

The main reason you can get a barra so cheap at the wreckers is that they find it hard to actually sell them. The engine in stock form regularly does over a million kilometers in a taxi and they very rarely break, which means people very rarely need to buy them. This and the fact they are very common engines here means a lot of them end up in the wreckers. The wreckers are forced to just sell them for whatever money they can get just to make room otherwise they would be storing nothing but barras haha.

[@barra245t2]

I live in n.z and am lucky enough to have a xr6 turbo falcon,factory 6spd manual.👌.big heavy sedans(1800kg)that eat RB's,JZ's and LS's

[@shapy1188]

Good luck with eating 2jz .. youll behunted by hunter mate.... ive been in barra and 2z... barra i nowhere clos 😅😅😅😅 just becaise u have barra doesnt mean ur faster sound like a kid... neve surpass 2jz

[@Chavster-wf8db]

Akag Man Uhhhh I kinda have no clue on what you were trying to say.

[@shapy1188]

@@Chavster-wf8db well that tells me u cant read for shit and go learn how to read... simple

[@cameronnoble5540]

@@shapy1188 no, you just can't type mate. Barras are dominating pretty much every 6cyl drag class that they are in, you're just a stupid fanboy... simple

[@barra245t2]

@@shapy1188 I had a 2j soarer when I was a kid,now I'm older and have kids,I have a turbo Barra family car..have you ever owned either to have a valid opinion?

[@robertarchbold8658]

Great video! you actually did your research so you got yourself a sub. I have a barra making 620hp to the wheels and have only replaced the vavle springs. Incredible things

[@samuelmcgough4935]

Even though I'm a holden person I believe that the Barra was Australia's best engine built

[@wakjob961]

Would absolutely take a 2020 Mustang with a Barra. Bring back the Ford 3.3L 200cid...but Barra! And turbo'd!

[@illgtr]

contact dominator motorsports they have stock in usa

[@aiden6843]

You might want to see what Adam LZ is doing with his burnt out 2020 shelby, he's putting a Barra in and eventually aiming for 1400 HP supposedly.

[@stevesalkas9128]

221 2v😅

[@tommclean8940]

I have a Barra swaped r33 4 door but I live in nz

[@sparkdestroyer3184]

Legend

[@lukeday87]

Awesome, i love that its a 4 door r33 too it seems kinda fitting!

[@lllllukeify]

Im from australia.... so that means the barra is definately better than the 2j....easily

[@QKvox]

Same here, the awesome thing is that my English teacher from last year has an FG Falcon XR6 and she is also a bit of a car enthusiast which is awesome but i totally agree with you

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

better ... NO The barra has weak links as does the RB26 has. So it cannot produce the same power level as the 2JZ before it breaks.

[@warrenbuffet1910]

No its not lol

[@someoneelse4492]

Just phenomenal that the Barra wasn't exported to other countries for use in other cars. Speaks volumes about how the Australian car industry was treated over the years.

[@lukepeita6454]

There are quite a few Barra engine's out there making 1400hp with the right turbo and upgrades 😳

[@dxm6580]

$500 to $800 for a barra, $6000 to $9000 for a 2jz, barra can be cheaper but usualy has a car attatched

[@TheZuprachannel]

I’m the owner of the supra in the beginning of the video. Good choice the car makes 1,019 on a stock block👍🏻

[@Legend-lc9bv]

You're a legend man

[@TheZuprachannel]

Haha I wish 🤣

[@Legend-lc9bv]

@@TheZuprachannel anyone that owns a 1000hp is a legend in my book

[@Enthusiastlist]

@@Legend-lc9bv Expand your library.

[@Legend-lc9bv]

@@Enthusiastlist I know cars you never heard of it is expanded but I love supras

[@jason35177]

I have the Falcon G6ET. Has 263,000km and still going strong. It has the ZF 6spd auto behind it too, which is great for drag racing. Mines near stock and still smokes a lot of cars 👌

[@Byefriendo]

An important thing to note with the barra is that the bottom ends varied a lot between the motors. The early NA BA barra's are good for maybe 350-400whp on stock bottom end, which is still a lot but they are the super cheap ones. The FG stock Turbo barra's are relatively pricey nowadays.

[@smartey2612]

Without a doubt the Ford Falcon FG X XR6 Sprint will become a modern GT-HO.

[@Chabobox1]

I don't think it will be a modern gt ho because they have different purposed and have a fair amount of differences. But undoubtedly the xr6 sprint is really cool and is already a collectable that will keep going up in value.

[@JohnSmith-nz4bn]

Actually feeling proud of our little down under backwater right now. You know we also supercharged the Coyote engine and dropped it in the Ford Falcon too. Called Miami. 335kW with a final variant of 351kW. That last figure was minimum as it could produce more than 400kW for short periods. An internal nickname for the Barra was "seagull" as it shit on everything.

[@aussiejonno]

The barra is only popular here in Australia because we can't just slap a turbo on some car we own due to strict government regulations and since these came turbo it's easier to mod a car that came turbo from the factory, p.s. i own a fg turbo ute and that's why i sold my holden ls1

[@markatkinson2699]

you said it it depends on where you live, in australia these things are dirt cheap and i mean DIRT cheap and aftermarket support here is pretty good up to around 1000kw - after that shit gets harder 2jz is available everywhere but they are getting expensive because everyone knows how good they are (expensive compared to a barra) overall the 2j is better but i think theres still loads of potential in the barra that hasnt been tapped, if they were available in USA people would be going bonkers over them that said there have been a few barras imported into USA already and you can find one if you really do your research and its something different and a lot of people want something different

[@Iridiumcosmos]

Mark Atkinson You can get 2K HP out of a Barra with half of the thing stock. Something the 2J can’t even do. Not to mention the 2J doesn’t remain much reliable after 850 HP. Blew my mind when I heard about the Barra’s potential.

[@kenthang3729]

@@Iridiumcosmos I agree the barra is strong but I can't ignore the statement of the 2k hp barra (Maria Passos’ RIPSS XR6 Turbo) being half stock. The only thing barely stock was the block, it was even de-stroked. BUT the Barra block seems to definitely support more power than the 2JZGTE can, due to obviously the fact that it's a larger displacement. Barra's are only good for drag racing. I dare say it would be good for track and maybe drifting, the 2JZ is already quite heavy for in swapped cars, causing the nose to be quite front weight bias, I can't imagine how much a Barra would have an effect on the front.. so in the end, the 2JZGTE is more balanced and therefor overall better only by just a little bit. Barra is definitely better in the Drag racing application.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@kenthang3729 2J is just as good as the Barra in drag racing just slightly less in supporting power. I wouldn’t say it’s a balanced motor at all. It’s heavy to the point where you can’t even use it well on the track.

[@Rysgarage]

Theres quite a few barras in USA atm since drag week 2019 the aussis built barra has had a big following in the us now but us aussie put barras and 2jz's in everything in aus and with huge powered barra converted cars of all sizes and makes we fit them into anything.....

[@darrengeorge2308]

2jz don’t like burnouts The BARRA loves it and has been proven to be a reliable Dailey driver with 700hp BARRA all the way mate And yes I’m Aussie

[@1S1KC0DM4N]

You sure about that? My stock SC300 with a 2JZ-GE with 218k on it sure loves burnouts. Spins it’s tires even when I’m not trying. Maybe you should stop shilling and saying dumb shit

[@lgsus4209]

Im from Texas never seen a barra engine but now i would like to swap it on my s13 but I don't know anything about that engine or if anyone has done the swap

[@lgsus4209]

@Disobey Negatively thanks

[@stocky9803]

barras hate burnouts lmao - everyone ive seen at a comp has shit the bed

[@adamscott2219]

As an Australian I’m so glad you are talking about the “Barra” engine and comparing it to such a great engine as the 2JZ. The engine that became the “Barra” started life in the 1960s here from an American import in the Falcon that went through many local development phases ending up with this engine. Over the years it’s development was influenced by the Chrysler 265ci Hemi, Toyota 2JZ, Nissan RB30 and the BMW straight 6 series of engines. Sadly production and development of this engine ceased in 2016 as the whole Australian automotive production industry went belly up. Everything you’ve said was accurate in my opinion and this engine will live on in the drag and modified car scene for the foreseeable future here due to its incredible “bang for buck” factor. I recently bought a nice black 2006 XR6 Falcon with the aspirated version of the “Barra” and a ZF 6 speed. It has a mere 61,000 Klms on the clock and I just love it. Maybe I’ll fit a turbo in the future but at the moment given it’s my daily right now I rather value my drivers license. Really enjoyed your video keep up the good work. 😊👍

[@tinhinnh]

I watched Yogi Barra as a kid and now listen to 2JayZ

[@Antichrist-667]

You can buy a 1000hp xr6 turbo with a full built Barra in it for 20k over here in Australia! I paid 11k for my bf xr6 turbo barra with a built bottom end and have 578rwhp with a stock turbo.

[@marcot.8250]

You should take a look at GM 250" inline 6, as found in the Brazilian Chevrolet Opala. Some of these engines are making 2,200 hp with stock block and heads, all with an old OHV 2 valve design. Recently 1320 video came to Brazil to see them - the fastest stick shift Chevys in the world. BTW, I remember that 18 years ago, a guy was running one of these with turbo and 700 hp on original rods and pistons lol

[@Cjbarker2]

Anthony Suarez Fitment issues and weight savings. Mostly fitment. 6 cylinders in the length of 3-4 makes it way easier to build something FWD.

[@barra245t2]

Is that the vortex 4200

[@ScottKenny1978]

@Anthony Suarez you also run into trouble with the crankshaft twisting at big power in I6s. V6 have much shorter crank so it is less likely to twist at the same power levels.

[@alexjohnward]

Australia made a fwd straight six once!

[@bad_status4596]

@@alexjohnward what's that because I can't remember 🤔

[@thephaze3]

The green top barras (stock LPG motors) have forged pistons and rods, good for quite a bit more than the 600hp safe limit of the non LPG motors stock. Just food for thought

[@logical_volcel]

the 600-700 hp is not true on all barra turbos, the first turbo motor (the 240t) used basically stock rods and crank comapred to the na motor and could hold 300-400hp before sending rods through the block, the later ba and bf barra turbos are quite a bit better but can only hold somewhere about 500ish reliably, the fg and onwards turbo mtors (the 270T, 310T, 325T) are able to hold the 600-700hp, not all barra turbos are built equally but otherwise great info

[@jimclarke1108]

Exactly, 325 kw Barra factory, same as the LS 6.2 GTS

[@guyslifee3215]

I made over 400rwkw on a 03 ba engine with only valve springs Got a fg gas engine in a different car now making 450rwkw lol

[@Granty4510]

Mate he is talking reliable power 450hp is pushing the ba T engine, they are garbage, the sohc is the better version Barra and older. The bf mk2 to Fg engine yeah you might be safe at 600hp, You are on borrowed time. The engine is that bad they have to destroke the over hyped tractor engine.

[@Elguapo93]

I have 07 bf xr6 turbo after 06 they have typhoon bottom end.. I believe you'd get more than 500hp.. stock turbo alone is good for 350rwkws..

[@jimclarke1108]

@@Granty4510 no!

[@twitchb1584]

This was a video of pros and cons, not which is better, and at the end of the day you can hate Ford or Toyota, but you cant deny that these engines are pieces of art Edit: very educational video, definitely just subbed

[@eddieotero2726]

It really doesn't make sense that an "American" car company doesn't make their straight 6 available in America

[@CooperHolt3318]

Eddie Otero It’s made by Ford Australia, so they are technically the same brand just a different branch of products

[@splint3048]

Fords are built in many countries but each division of the company has restrictions on where they can sell so that they are not cutting into each others market space. If it was open slather then there would be a lot of issues such as stocking global spare parts range at every location, the cost of crash and emissions compliance for every country, advertising costs for numerous different products, technical training, special tools, the list goes on and on. Nice for the buyer but a major headache for the manufacturer.

[@oscarzt1652]

2:50 sorry but no 320hp was the actual engine output and 280hp was the gentlemans agreement

[@josephfoster3819]

That's what I was thinking. It had to be under 300hp

[@Akens888]

JSpec was 280hp 320hp was the export version. There are a few differences between engines too as the Jspec had faster spooling ceramic turbos with a MAP sensor and the Export had steel turbos with a MAF sensor.

[@alfredchalakkal733]

It is cheap. Like very very cheap. Mate of mine bought a barra of a bf xr6 (na) with 150ks for $160, with all the accessories.

[@Dustrunnersauto]

That’s so cheap! 🤯

[@captainzoll3303]

160? you could buy an entire good condition VCT Intech AU for $100 with less K's on it!

[@RecreationAutomotiveGarage]

Is there different between NA and turbo internal and block?

[@Mo_tism]

Can confirm, picked 2 up fully dressed for $500 with harnesses and ECUs for my Cressida and landcruiser.

[@blubase06]

Damn this is text book definition of dirt cheap

[@jordanhemmings181]

I’ve owned both and love them both but I have to say barra makes power just a reliable and easier than a JZ especially if e85 is readily available in ur country.

[@declancarter5831]

The Barra engines are actually a family of not only inline 6 engines, but V8s as well made by Ford Australia.

[@cams290]

The Barra is only the inline 6. Boss was the 5.4 V8 and Miami was the supercharged 5.0

[@declancarter5831]

@@cams290 You might want to do a quick search mate and I think you will find I'm correct.

[@aleksandartan7057]

Gordon Barfield, an engineer of Ford Australia is the bloke responsible for nicknaming the turbocharged variant of the Barra ‘Gull’ as in seagull, because they knew that it was going to shit on everything.

[@SimanSlivar]

I loved my supra but after 800 it really became hard to drive on the street after 1200 its damned close self ball punching levels. A barra you could have fun at massive power levels vs the 2j.

[@sidesweepr6289]

Proudly own 7 barras including xr6 turbo. Love them never let me down ☺️

[@petrospago3515]

i have to disagree on one thing so far i see many 2jz break down and blow up but i havent see any barra blow up or break down so which engine is stronger again 😂

[@TLE1977A]

All barras have dual VCT just that after the BF 2006 model they made the intake and exhaust independently controlled. Pre 2006 they worked together. Only a software update. An after marlet pcm can make any barra intake and exhaust cams run independently.

[@rodneymcgiveron]

There's the mighty Barra inline 6 , then the rest...end of story.. Here's the undeniable fact . get in an Australian Ford Falcon N/A or Turbo , drive it and you'll be shocked how strong the engine really is at any revs . It's not just about peak horsepower ...it's the eminently easy way it does the job .

[@Mr_Roboto]

There's something fantastic about driving a car with a motor that has more than 3L displacement. I got my Vette and was astonished at the torque at 900rpm compared to my mini that has no torque until I'm at 4000 rpm and have boost.

[@petercarew4190]

I bought a Barra for AU$170 about a year ago with only 125,000 kms and it is under the bench in my workshop as a spare for my sons BF falcon. Just today I looked at a ECOLPI engine in a taxi that had done more than 1million Kms. I'm very proud and yet also saddened about what happened to our car industry.

[@pdelmo79]

They used the Ford falcons as taxi's. With the barra seen them do over 1mil km on original engine

[@Steindog1967]

Yup, My 2004 Territory is at 874000km & still going strong, Never seen a 2jz even close to 400000km

[@robertking3130]

Most taxis I saw were fitted with the factory LPG fuel system.

[@1S1KC0DM4N]

@@Steindog1967, lmao you obviously aren’t very experienced with 2Js. Mine is personally at just under 230k miles or 370k km and doing just fine. Know plenty of people with 2Js with over 300k miles. Stupidly easy to work on and maintain and don’t like to break. Mine sure doesn’t anyway.

[@guillaumed8107]

@@Steindog1967 5years ? 140 kms by days all days? seriously?

[@Steindog1967]

@@guillaumed8107 Get your calculator out son, 2004-2020 is 16 years, Territory is now @ 1.1mill km

[@berenscott8999]

One thing to note is the longevity of the Barra. It's a long life engine known for lasting a long time. The AU falcon's were pretty much your stock taxi's back in the day, and known for going over a million kilometers in distance. Running on LPG, they were a great car. Only really replaced by Toyota Hybrids, which had a better fuel economy. I'm running an FG Falcon, it's awesome. And these cars are becoming rare and sought after.

[@achilleaustin4477]

Au falcon has an intech in it not a Barra, similar but weaker rotating assembly, block and head plus it’s a single cam motor

[@roadtrain5666]

street barra absolute torque monster stock mild tune 500lb/ft a 2600rpm Melbourne Australia

[@onedayiwillmakesomecontent]

Yep same time, mines nizpro tuned, lowly 287kw at the wheels and 770nm torques lol. Very basic mods, stock plumbing and intercooler. 9.8L/100km

[@jasyamaha]

I've got 2 Barra's atm, one in a wagon, one in an SUV. One is going to the wreckers this week as I don't need it. 320k good compression. They are so plentiful here we just give them away. Great, simple, big lump of an engine. I've been running LPG on my cars for decades. I get 100 km for about $8.50 or half the cost of petrol. Just love it, gas powered Barra

[@chrisnolan6838]

my brothers xr6t barra makes 700hp unopened, very simple to make big power.

[@Xtreme_Speed_Shop]

Installing a Barra in a 70 Amc Rebel right now for X275 racing here in the states, cant wait!

[@aaronhunt4009]

I live in Australia and own a run of the mill ford bf mk2 xt falcon with a stock standard barra190. They are a beautiful engin with bag loads of grunt just driving around city I would hardly need to go over 2000 rpm and with out putting my foot down at traffic lights just standard pick up without trying to drag anyone it is quicker then a lot of newer lighter cars. My biggest gripe is driving around the city it is a bit thirsty but when at highway speeds it's quite good on fuel. When you put your foot down it comes to life iv over taken cars on steep hills that have been doing 70kph and my car has gone up to 120kph just like that without even breaking the 4000rpm mark. I have also driven the turbocharged barra engines and they are quite scary what the can do in a 1800kg car

[@allandriver2066]

There's plenty of top end aftermarket gear available for the Barra, you just have to do your research and and get your parts from OS.........just like the rest of the world does.......the difference between US builders and AUS/NZ builders is that if we can't buy it online and have it delivered in 2 days.....We Built Ourselves!!!!! S

[@brianfrost303]

In Australia you could build four 800hp barras for the cost of a similar 2jz and they'd be more reliable.

[@nathantaylor4043]

2jz block is stronger you can get more power, rather go with the jz

[@brianfrost303]

@@nathantaylor4043 it's a generally accepted fact that the barra block is stronger and as a platform more overall power potential. Don't get me wrong, both are amazing engines.. but facts are facts.

[@ZipDungbeetle]

There are a lot of builders here in Australia who are getting two thousand horsepower from the Barra with stock heads, cams, springs and crankshaft. Good luck getting that from a 2JZ without things flying out from it at a rapid rate. There are hundreds of videos showing this with better performance gains being made all the time without expensive aftermarket parts. The factory internals are capable of incredible performance. There is even a billet aluminum block being made now which is indestructible and will produce in excess of three thousand horsepower at over ten thousand RPM. There are big block V8 twin turbo builds of approaching twice the displacement not getting those figures. A full sized family 4 door Falcon FPV F6 Typhoon sedan running 7 second quarter mile times, all with stock internal components other than oil pump, head bolts, pistons, rods and bolts with consummate ease. Head porting isn't necessary on the already massive inlet ports, but with further R&D this engineering marvel will remain one of the greatest engines of all time, which remains our proprietary home grown technology.

[@MrMightyZ]

Barra is an awesomely surprising motor and a mighty machine but I would only say that to the very best of my knowledge the 2JZ is one of the most durable motors that humankind has ever devised and like it’s cousin the 1UZ, one of the other reasons for its longevity besides its strength is immediately evident as soon as you rev it and that would be its supernatural smoothness. Those Nippon boys engineered the heck out of these motors. I do not care about horsepower but since I was a kid watching the General Lee and other awesome cars thrash around the screen of my TV I grew up and was endlessly disappointed at how easily I could break Ford, GM and Chrysler drivetrains. But once I learned about the “golden age of Japanese over engineering” of the 90’s I realised I’d finally found cars that you could actually thrash like them Duke boys thrashed the General, day in and day out and they could actually take it. I prize strength over everything else (esp because I ain’t rich) so that’s why I’d pick 2JZ and why I love my 250hp V8 more than any of the 300-400hp V8s I owned. Barra is very cool though.

[@c4.z1]

But the Barra motor is the fastest in delivering power and at low power. Didn't you hear the video?

[@c4.z1]

The 2JZ engine is really powerful, but the Barra engine is stronger than it for many reasons, including the speed of power transmission at low revs, and its only problem is that it is very large and does not match on some vehicles

[@mr.a5147]

Great to see Geelong mentioned as the birthplace and home of the Barra 6, also worth noting that literally everyone at Ford Australia wanted to see the Barra and ideally the four door Falcon sedan that housed it exported. Sadly Dearborn and Ford management in general is a complete joke, Ford US have been doing everything in their power to ramp down their manufacturing in every form in Australia. They successfully carried out that goal 2016.

[@madmick3794]

Owned both, 2JZ is just a headache, the Barra and those engines before it in Australia are tough and simple but can make power easily. They even make a Petrol, Petrol/Gas (LPG) and LPG only factory optional engines.

[@KJ-qw1qm]

Proud owner of a 2014 XR6 EcoLpi. EcoLpi uses LPG injection and higher compression vs petrol. LPG Taxis usually did 800K km usually without issues.

[@rangeend5773]

Who was responsible for stopped the Barra from exporting to America/ the rest of the world?

[@tacosombrero1233]

Range End legit America because they stopped making the falcon in the 60s and Australia took over so there loss is our gain

[@chanzcesr]

importing the barra to america would of killed off the 6's and v8's ford were selling over there.

[@thedrvn]

2j could win solely on availability and aftermarket parts. Last year I bought a 2j none turbo with 65000 miles for £400. Let alone the size of the barra! It's bloody massive

[@johnherbold6539]

You can buy a barra for like 150$ because it was on hundred of thousands of fords for nearly two decades. 2j isn’t much better and weighs 500 pounds with its iron reinforced block

[@thedrvn]

@@johnherbold6539 your trying to draw comparisons that just are not there in Europe anyway. A Google search shows zero Barra packaged cars for sale anywhere in Europe. However a Google search for cars with 2j's is more than I can count. Weight wise the barra fully loaded with ancillaries sits around 255/260kg Vs the 2jz at around 220/230

[@Mo_tism]

They’r surprisingly not that much bigger. I pulled the 1jzvvti out of my Cressida that now has a built NA Barra in it and it’s still got similar clearance in the places that matter

[@craigmandall9420]

Well if that's all that you're taking into account, then the barra wins hands down. They cost almost nothing here and the aftermarket support in Aus/NZ is great

[@thedrvn]

@@craigmandall9420 And in that very outcome it loses making the 2J the winner also. Great chat

[@Mercer93]

Thanks for the video cuz i met for first time the Ford Barra, intersting engine. Greetings from Dominican Republic..

[@thomas316]

The Barra is a better engine but doesn't have the same range of aftermarket bits.

[@AndrewEG]

What aftermarket bits do you think is needed to achieve 1000hp?

[@paulsz6194]

fancy coil pack covers & valve/rocker covers..

[@matinirudolph8420]

Living in NZ is pretty awesome man, we have all the JDMs and Aussie Ford and Holden's...too much choice to be fair

[@changereception7750]

I think the powerful Barras you speak of have been destroked to about 3.7 or 3.8ltrs.

[@potaka79]

Barra the world..

[@justin3131ify]

"Most barra engines are vvt"? Actually it's vct in the falcon and every barra 6 cylinder has vct.

[@Samqdf]

Isn't VVT and VCT two different terms for what is essentially the same thing? That being constantly variable angle camshaft control? Open to correction here

[@nordic5490]

@@Samqdf vvt = variable valve timing

[@Samqdf]

@@nordic5490 Yes I know, with my description I was being more specific as to the type of variable valve timing that they both seemingly use which is through the constantly change of angle between the cam pulleys and cams. Much unlike VTEC that uses different cam lobes.

[@phukup87]

Well done mate you know your stuff and are very reasonable. Just one thing, yes you can get a na barra here for 350usd but they are useless unless you want to build it. A barra turbo is 4300usd and good for 700rwhp stock bottom end.

[@ohzinazad4138]

My 10 anniversary edition aristo is on the way from japan :D

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

The Barra’s basically the Ford Falcon thriftpower straight six from 1960 after 60 years of updates (still has the same bore centre spacing), to the point it has an alloy DOHC multivalve crossflow head with VVT, etc, etc. I wonder if it still has the cam in block passage & empty pockets for the lifters & empty pushrod passages in the block too? Or were all those superfluous bits deleted from the later block castings designed for the OHC heads.

[@nzwotb2525]

I live in New Zealand a ford falcon crashed down a bank just up the road from my place early last year and it was to hard to recover so just left down their and after 1 week of sitting down there the barra engine had been cut out and stolen not surprising the car is really just a shell now

[@waynejakamarra6403]

Hahaha..!! Did somebody just walked up to that ditch with an angle grinder? Or an Oxy torch? To him it was a gold mine....

[@Enigma-Sapiens]

I'm American and I love the Barra, our Aussie brothers did it right! I just wish I could afford to buy one and get it shipped to me.

[@ozzesty7314]

My barra has 330,000km still goes strong. Maybe if the world new how great the Barra engine was Ford might bring it back.

[@robertking3130]

I bet they don't, Ford have blinkers for anything not made in the northern hemisphere.

[@rods6405]

@@robertking3130 Spot On!