Barrier Invocation Infernalist - Casting spells with no cast time or movement penalty

[@swift8819]

Thank you very much for this build, with yesterdays patch my demon build got nerfed and was looking for inspirations for a new build. Went with this and its doing really well, subscribed!

[@Deranged_Engineering]

My pleasure, and thanks for the sub!

[@Caterpie56]

Came here from Imnphil's video, I'm inspired to try to make a scuffed amalgamation of these builds in ssf and die a bunch in T1 maps since my gear will be trash. Thanks!

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Haha, love to hear it! Let me know how it goes! In ssf, since you probably won't have access to the uniques for a while, just having Eternal Youth and a good life flask can work in a pinch. That'll get you a somewhat decent ES recovery rate for sustained casting. You'll probably also have less life/ES and energy gain jewels so you'll need to lower your fire res to take enough damage. Either that, or top up your infernal flame multiple times with a curse before using Barrier Invocation. It'll be rough, but probably doable. Best of luck!

[@MrRaja]

Ghostwrith is an absolute must and ming is also quite important early on to reduce life further so the little recoup can sustain demon stacks. After that just stack es...

[@Sorza-m8i]

Great build, Ive been using a recharge ES based version of this, definitely not as tanky but I've been clearing t15-16 maps just fine. I've been able to drop impetus and fit in more damage. Downside is you roughly need to wait 1 second between casts instead of instant spamming. Imnphil, also corrected me, it can't crit, It can ignite you if the hit is too high though.

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Thanks! Getting enough energy gain from jewels to drop impetus (or get more max fire res) was on my to-do list haha. Nice to know this type of build holds up in T15s. I actually contemplated recharge as well btw, but figured I'd never get enough ES to self trigger while using Prayers for Rain. How did you manage to make it work?

[@Sorza-m8i]

@@Deranged_Engineering I'm using all rare items, so I'm at 10k ES with 1600 life, 85fr with rest capped. With sapphire jewels I'm at 160% energy gain modifier. For mapping grim feast is enough to keep up the speed, just needs to slow down on bosses. Ive got 330% recharge delay modifier, with 3.7k ES per second so once it starts its full quickly. I solved the self ignite problem with a 60% reduced ignite ES base, and I'm using an against the darkness with reduced ignite / max FR. My weapon swap is a curse set up with phoenix shield. It just uses a 2 stack barrier and lets me block for a short period.

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@Sorza-m8i Ah I see, so grim feast for recovery while mapping and recharge for recovery against bosses. That is now the third way I've seen recovery be solved on this type of build; dope to see! It's also interesting to hear that the self damage can crit. I personally haven't noticed that, but I've definitely noticed the ignites. I'm running reduced ignite duration in my chest as well for the same reason.

[@Sorza-m8i]

@@Deranged_Engineering Sorry, turns out I was wrong about that. It's based on the Hit and ailment threshold. I'm thinking my ES was so high that I'd just be igniting myself. I can try to make a short video to show the ES based version of this build maybe

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@Sorza-m8i No worries, but yeah that does makes more sense. I would definitely be interested in a showcase!

[@agnoztic]

i just dash or roll in demon form never walking much except breach... also checking the dmg / the demon flame stacks could increase the comet dps to 200-300k at 200 stacks without crit

[@Ouch002]

I thought spells from barrier invocation didn’t use infernal flame and used energy instead?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Energy does not replace Mana/Infernal Flame cost, but that's not that weird of an assumption to make for sure. Otherwise, invocation Skills seem a little useless when you first look at them. "All that effort and you still have to cast manually?" or something along those lines. The thing that energy does replace is cast speed. You essentially get to instant-cast a bunch of copies of a spell of your choosing at the cost of having to charge it between uses.

[@FaeizVanderago]

imagine if can cast fireball that fast...

[@MrRaja]

​@@FaeizVanderagoyou can and it's not PC friendly 😂

[@F.B.I-USA]

one thing the calculator has not taken into account if you pick Altered Flesh Ascendency node or Cloak of Flame chest with increasing your resist to 90%

[@Deranged_Engineering]

I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but Altered Flesh and Cloak of Flame don't interact with the loop in any way. As such, they are not included in the calculator.

[@F.B.I-USA]

@ ahhh gotcha I thought it helped

[@Dororsx]

How do I throw a barrier like this? I have to throw hypothermia, flask and barrier, all the time that rotation.😢😢

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hey! Sorry to hear you're having trouble. It sounds like at least one of the following is happening: 1. Your maximum Infernal Flame is too high for the cost of your Comet 2. Your energy gain modifier is not high enough Have you filled in the google sheet? If you have, it should tell you all you need to know to make sure that the loop functions properly.

[@Dororsx]

@ how i increased the energy modifer? Mi flame is 801.

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@Dororsx You can increase your energy gain modifier with any of the following: 1. gem levels of Barrier Invocation 2. quality of Barrier Invocation 3. Sapphire jewels 4. Impetus support 5. nodes on the skill tree (up to 55% if you have all of them)

[@Dororsx]

@@Deranged_Engineering Thank you very much bro, now it's working, I really appreciate it, now I just have to stop dying myself. Yes, I pressed it for a long time.😂😂😂😂😂

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@Dororsx My pleasure, man! I may or may not have something in the works with regards to holding down the button btw. Stay tuned hehe

[@0x1337root]

Hey, If we take zealoth node for gettin rid of ES recovery delay and take chaos innoc for gettin rid of life management. I mean just for necessity of ES management. After all of that, we take all of the ES recovery rate nodes which capped at 360% and also Max Energy shiled nodes. With these tweaks, I just wonder are our pyromantic pact ES cost bigger or lower than our ES recovery?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hey! I'm afraid I'm not following what you're saying entirely. - Zealot's Oath mechanically works a lot worse than Ligurium Talisman (I explain this at 4:22). It also has nothing to do with ES recharge delay, other than disabling recharge in its entirety. - Chaos Inoculation would require the removal of Atziri's Disdain, which is providing roughly one third of the ES of this build (you could technically replace it with a very good ES helmet, but I'm poor). CI also has counter-synergy with half of the ascendancy nodes we're using (max life = 1 means no extra spirit and ES from Beidat's Will/Hand). - There are only two ES recovery rate nodes on the entire tree (which I admittedly have not taken, so thanks for the idea haha), so you're probably conflating recovery and recharge, the latter of which this build doesn't use. All that said, I'll attempt to answer your question anyway. It is extremely difficult to recover more ES per second than pyromantic pact damages us for. Hypothetically, you could probably do it, but it'd be prohibitively expensive to buy the items necessary. This is why I don't hold down the button for Barrier Invocation, but rather use it about once or twice per second. If I've misunderstood anything you've said above, please clarify. Ideas on how to improve the build are always welcome!

[@saf-inity]

Great video man! Quick question about ES and Life regen rate. How do you have yours so high with "ok" jewels? Is there something I am missing to increase these rates? For example, my total ES recovery/sec is 372, but I have almost the entire passive tree and "ok-ish" jewels too but I haven't noticed anything that actually adds rate.

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Thanks! 372 does seem low. You should easily be hitting double that number. I explain regen at 4:22 in the video so I'd begin by checking to see if you're using all the items/passives described there. The main ones are Ligurium Talisman, Rise of the Phoenix and Coward's Legacy. You also need at least one of the life reservation ascendancy notables (Beidat's Hand/Will/Gaze) in order for Coward's Legacy to work. Hope this helps!

[@saf-inity]

@@Deranged_Engineering Thank you for the reply! I am following your setup and my gems have energy shield recovery rate, but that doesn't seem to raise that total ES recovery rate value at all. Only increasing max shield does. I anointed Desperate Times and it raised my ES regen rate to 454.8 and my total ES is sitting at 5351. Do you have any other ideas what else I may be missing or is it literally just my ES total is too little? (I am not running your unique helm cuz my rare one has 115% ES)

[@Gg3816]

So I have 920 Flame and comet costs 224 mana. How I can raise it's cost. Also I only have 3 sockets on gem

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hey! So at 224 mana, I'm assuming your comet is at level 21 after increases to level from gear/tree etc and you're not using spell echo. That would mean your links are currently Barrier Invocation > Comet > Capacitor > Impetus. Feel free to correct me if you're using something different. It's honestly pretty difficult to get it up and running without the 5-link, but there are a couple things you could try: - raise the level of comet, either with gear or a higher level gem - lower your mana (Infernal Flame replaces mana so increases and reductions to mana also apply to Infernal Flame) - lower your intelligence (this lowers your mana too, but make sure you're still meeting requirements obviously) - drop impetus for spell echo and get more energy gain from jewels to compensate at 920 Infernal Flame, you need to have the cost of your comet be between 307 and 459. This would probably require level 24 or 25 comet, so lowering mana/int seems like the most realistic option. Hope this helps!

[@Gg3816]

@@Deranged_Engineering hi thx for the reply. I'm kinda new to the poe in general. So I have Comet lvl 23 with capacitor and echo. mana cost for comet is 287. I did adjust my int a bit, so I have 867 flames now. But after I got 100% invocation next comet cast gives me only 52%. What am I missing here?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@Gg3816 If your energy is only at 52% after casting, that means that you need to do one or multiple of these things: - increase your life+es - increase your #% energy gain (higher level or more quality on barrier invocation, more/better jewels, more nodes on the tree or add impetus support) - lower your fire resistance (cheapest but also scariest option) I also just uploaded a google sheet that can help troubleshoot the numbers. Give it a try, and let me know if it doesn't work out.

[@WTFtactics]

Since Energy shield regeneration is now counting towards health in this build, what contributes to shield regeneration directly? I feel like my shield isn't regenerating fast enough

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hey! I think you meant recharge, not regeneration. Regeneration normally applies to life, but applies to ES instead thanks to our amulet. To answer your question, the ES recovery in this build is coming mainly from two sources. About one third of it comes from regeneration and the remainder two thirds come from flask recovery. Both added up together, I have about 3500 ES recovery per second on my character at the moment.

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Guide is up on Maxroll: maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/bv5cb0vm

[@Magnix-u7c]

Jewel status for the skill tree? nice vid, you explain perfectly well!!

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Thanks! My jewels are still super bad, but I'm broke after buying a Perfect Jeweller's Orb. I'll buy better ones once I get some more currency. As for what you want on them, these until you have enough (check the google sheet for energy gain and ES, make sure your recoup is a bit higher than the damage bypass on Atziri's Disdain): - Meta skills gain #% increased energy - #% of damage taken recouped as life - #% increased maximum energy shield And then these for damage: - #% increased critical strike chance/critical strike damage (for spells) - #% increased spell/cold/triggered spell damage You could also opt for +# to maximum fire resistance if you feel like it.

[@sao24631]

Hi, nice build, Have a question, does Amulet will trigger life recovery by damage taken recouped as life to energy shield recovery? Thanks!

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hey, thanks! Unfortunately Ligurium Talisman only applies to regeneration, not to recoup, so the answer to your question is no.

[@pinkdragon6299]

CWDT Scion Reborn, finally. I hope GGG will introduce more cold gems like ice spear into the game later, because the comet destroys not only the graphics card, but also the ears.

[@B2STShock]

And eyes

[@thealchemist3575]

Ice spear is coming with Huntress.

[@mejokin]

I'm trying to get this to work but i dont really understand how u get 600+ lifereg on energy shield with this setup it cant only be that like 8ish % life reg right? even with the shield giving you like 6% alone i just dont understand that insane amount. can u explain it for me one more time? Im new to poe... 😅

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hey! No worries haha. The shield is providing 3% of life regenerated per second with an additional 3% if we're low life. Due to a combination of the belt we're wearing and our ascendancy passives, we are always low life so the shield provides 6%. There's a node on the tree that I have allocated on my amulet that provides an additional 1.5% and the vitality support gem provides 1% as well. This all adds up to 8.5%. Normally, this would be 8.5% of our life, but because of the line on our amulet that reads "life regeneration is applied to Energy Shield instead" the 8.5% is based on our ES which is obviously much higher. In the video, I have 7222 ES so I'm regenerating 7222*0.085=613.87 ES per second. Hope that clears it up!

[@zRegicideTVz]

what Jewel do I need go get for faster ES regen?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Unfortunately, that is not a stat you can get on jewels. There is "#% increased life regeneration rate" on Rubies but that stat does not apply to ES regen unless you're using Zealot's Oath. What you can do instead is allocate "Soul Bloom" which will give you "15% increased Energy Shield recovery rate". Hope this helps!

[@zRegicideTVz]

@@Deranged_Engineering ty for the info.

[@zRegicideTVz]

@@Deranged_Engineering Do you happen to have a discord by any chance? I'd like to pick your brain a bit, my char set up is kinda weird :( not working correctly somehow

[@marcelkwiecinski1429]

i have 1.4k health 6.8k es and 859 demonflame but it wont work idk why maybe u got some advice or something

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hey! I'd love to help, but I need to know more about your character in order to do so. You could also try the google sheet, I just uploaded to see if that helps you figure out what's wrong. I'd be happy to help if that doesn't work out, though.

[@marcelkwiecinski1429]

@Deranged_Engineering i have no high shield Recover only 500 per sec. But i have all nodes in the passive tree, how do u get so much recover :D

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@marcelkwiecinski1429 The regeneration scales with your max energy shield so getting higher max energy shield will improve your recovery. I get 6% from Rise of the Phoenix, 1% from vitality support on grim feast and 1.5% from Desperate Times which is my anoint. The rest of the recovery is from my life flask while using Eternal Youth.

[@juliodidier11]

by casting the barrier, how do you manage to get the energy full again? is it still working after the nerfs?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Barrier Invocation gets energy from hit damage to energy shield. The Pyromantic Pact node from the Infernalist damages you for 100% of your life and ES as fire damage after reaching full Infernal Flame. This damage (after being reduced by fire resistance) gets you enough energy (after being multiplied by energy gain modifiers) to max out Barrier Invocation again. Skill triggered by Barrier Invocation still cost mana (Infernal Flame in this case) so I just have a high enough Infernal Flame cost on Comet to max out my Infernal Flame with one activation of Barrier Invocation, thus allowing me to activate it again immediately. As for the nerfs, this video was recorded after the nerfs happened, so it still works. The only thing the nerfs did to this build was increasing the energy cost of Comet from ~160 to 300. So with 900 energy, it gets triggered thrice per activation as you can see in the video.

[@juliodidier11]

@@Deranged_Engineering I did excatly what you show on the video but for me its not working, its actually getting around 25% energy when reaching full flame. I bought several meta energy jewels and so on. This does not seem to be working... but thanks anyway, worth the shot of course

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@juliodidier11 Not enough energy after reaching full Infernal Flame means you have one or multiple of the following problems: 1. Not enough life+ES 2. Not enough energy gain 3. Too much fire resistance I have uploaded a google sheet that helps with working out these numbers. I explained how to use it in the other video on this channel. Hope this helps!

[@vanssi10]

Would you mind posting a maxroll or website gear with tree?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Just updated the description with a guide on Maxroll 👍

[@itsmachetemike]

What's recommended minimum level? Currently level 50 and bored with my build lol

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Hi! You can try it at that level, but you probably need your fire resistance to be really low in order to make it work. For what it's worth though, I played it successfully from the start of maps.

[@itsmachetemike]

@@Deranged_Engineering Anything you'd prioritize achieving first with available passive points for say level 50~55?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

@@itsmachetemike I don't know what your tree looks like but here's a list of nodes in order of importance: 1. Eternal Youth is super important 2. Enough recoup nodes to have your life recoup % be higher than the % damage bypass on your Atziri's Disdain 3. The two energy gain clusters (one is close to Eternal Youth and the other is close to Chaos Inoculation) 4. Anything that gives Energy Shield 5. Anything that increases damage/crit/exposure effectiveness Hope this helps!

[@itsmachetemike]

Thanks for the info​@@Deranged_Engineering

[@럭셔리봉]

The build is awesome. I have a question as I watch the video. I'm curious about the Jewel option

[@Sulamanjansulttaani]

I use barrier invocation with titan, 20k es and i just facetank everything, proccing barrier invocation comet that way :D The real retaliation build

[@CuongNguyen-nm6vx]

How can it be done with other chars!?

[@Sulamanjansulttaani]

@CuongNguyen-nm6vx Im pretty sure it can! The way i do it is i take the top and top right lightning damage nodes with triggered spell / energy gain nodes. Rest nodes are pretty much only energy shield and energy shield recharge speed as you need it to regen fast since you need to tank damage to deal damage. For jewels i got more ES, ES charge speed and energy gain. I use the ring that converts cold to lightning damage. Lightning does more dmg and cold has antisynergy because when mobs are frozen they arent attacking you (which you want). Also you need jewels with % of energy shield as stun treshold. Freezing is harder to fix than stun (your other nemesis), i mainly use freezing charm and be aware of freezing enemies. With 20k es freezing doesnt always end up in death tho, but it still is usually the way i die if i die. Nothing in the titan tree makes this build only work for him. Titan gets more ES from hulking from, thats why i chose him. Witch, sorc, monk, ranger are all good options im sure. Merc has a long way to climb to the top nodes, i think he will run out of nodes or not get big enough ES, or easily atleast. Spirit gems i use barrier invocation, archmage and blink. Can play without blink but since we need to take dmg to deal dmg its a great way to escape from nonsters and also to move faster. Blinking in middle of packs for fast charges is also something i do with it.

[@dodge5629]

Fun hammer inc

[@karansolanki2165]

Using Comet? GGG wants ur number

[@visserin]

madara build

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Except there's more than two this time hahaha Comet with Spell Echo kind of is the Madara Special, isn't it 😂

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Just leaving this here as well for increased visibility: People seem to be having trouble getting the numbers where they need to be so I've made a google sheet that helps you balance them: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wZlcMtBwrH4OpFXlNBxHDhfT5u4sUjEec9wW3f6mjnQ/edit?gid=0#gid=0 The sheet is set to view only so to use it, just click the link, click on "File" and then on "Make a copy". that'll give you an editable copy of the file. the basic functionality of the sheet is for you to input values from your in-game character into the yellow boxes. The sheet will then tell you how high other values on your character need to be for the build to function properly. I be uploaded another video that goes into more detail about it.

[@curveofsound]

I do love spreadsheets. I use it for all my games, lol. Thanks. This is an interesting interaction for sure.

[@salamdrik]

So how u Level Up to that level 90?

[@Deranged_Engineering]

Minions or chaos skills are probably the smoothest ways to level the character. I personally respecced to this build early on into maps, but you can probably respec as soon as you get Comet, provided you have good gear.