Baruch SPINOZA | Why Is God Indifferent to Our Choices ? | Free Will

#spinoza : In this episode, i explore the concept of #god freedom in spinoza 's #philosophy , exploring the layers of meaning behind his unique perspective. and god #freewill . Spinoza's revolutionary idea that God and the world are inseparable.
Introduction to the concepts of substance and attributes in Spinoza's philosophy.
Spinoza's rejection of a human-like God, emphasizing God's perfection and infinite nature.
The contradiction of attributing emotions and desires to a perfect God.
Spinoza challenges the reductionist view of God.
Distinction between "natura naturans" (active) and "natura naturata" (passive) in Spinoza's philosophy.
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➡️ video Description:
Thought-provoking journey and philosophical insights of Baruch Spinoza.
i explore Spinoza's unique perspective on the relationship between God and nature.
Spinoza challenges conventional notions of freedom, free will, and the very essence of existence. We unravel his ideas about the divine, where God is not a distant, judgmental being but an integral part of the universe, intricately connected to nature.
Discover the concept of freedom in Spinoza's philosophy - a freedom that lies in understanding oneself and aligning with one's true nature. We explore how knowing our potential and purpose may be the path to liberating ourselves from the #deterministic forces that govern physical existence.
Join us in contemplative conversations that dive deep into Spinoza's wisdom. Together, we ponder life's fundamental questions, aiming to become more aware of our own existence and the world around us and the idea that understanding your own potential and identity is the key to achieving this freedom.
If you're interested in exploring Spinoza's philosophy, seeking personal growth, and contemplating the intricate relationship between God and nature, this podcast is for you. So, tune in, reflect, and embark on this enlightening philosophical journey.
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Key Points:
0:01 - Spinoza's Challenge to Conventional God:
5:08 - Spinoza's Challenge to Religious Authorities:
The vested interest of religious authorities in maintaining an anthropomorphic God.
10:05 - God and the World as One:
16:03 - Human Limitations:
Humans can only recognize two attributes, extension (matter) and thought (mind).
21:53 - "Natura Naturans" and "Natura Naturata":
26:25 - Unity and Inseparability:
Spinoza's identification of God with nature without being an atheist.
28:49 - Matter and Mind:
Spinoza's view that matter and mind are two perspectives of the same substance.
The use of "God or nature" signifies a change of perspective regarding God.
29:33 - Spinoza's Concept of Freedom:
Spinoza's concept of "free necessity" defines freedom as aligning with one's nature.
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[@chineseboxer108]

We must become stewards of LIFE itself, in all its forms.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

indeed

[@jeannedouglas9912]

What a crazy coil name, Spinoza! Spinning oz before the wizard of oz was put to film.

[@faccebookk3704]

substantial identity of The Thought and The Being

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

thank you , welcome

[@asmameklati2722]

Excellent illustration ❤

[@kimyunmi452]

Glad this video is back

[@Anders01]

I think Spinoza was correct! Even in the Bible it says: "I the Lord do not change" and Brahman in Hinduism is changeless and the origin of all things. Personally I see reality as Indra's net without the "jewels". That's an infinite complete graph. And the manifested reality can be seen as a changeless subgraph of Indra's net with infinite intelligence. Time is produced because infinity can never be reached.

[@IvanKaramazov-zv6mn]

Yet religions drastically failed to explain as coherent like Spinoza. We owe a great deal to him.

[@sanathansatya1667]

@@IvanKaramazov-zv6mn Religion is based on beliefs laid by the proponents. Even metaphorical explanations will lead to dogmas in the followers. Religion in its attempt to address illogical minds is creating chaos at a higher philosophical level .

[@user-se3bw8ku8i]

you row, row, row your boat gently down the stream. merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, GOD is but a DREAM !!!

[@jeannedouglas9912]

Yet there is a spirit of love and truth.

[@virgilioblanco]

This presentation is good for discussions of history, the discussion of or about GOD and HIS CREATION it centers on GOD'S WILL aka "LIFE" and HIS "RATIONAL CREATURES" "MAN" and GOD'S gift, "FREE WILL", enter the freedom to oppose HIS DIVINITY, thus the "Fallen Angel". Most of Humanity chose the persuasions of the latter. Hence the functions of the manipulations of the written word and assurance of the erasura of the accomplishments of the Egyptians "Schools" of HIGHER Learning" based on the "REVENGE" against BLACK people, the ORIGINAL HUMAN Creation.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

thank you welcome to the channel

[@medsadokkrifa1096]

Good podcast as usual, thank you

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

Thanks for listening

[@Zippy1940]

Effective and illuminating illustration of the distinction between substance, attributes, and modes. The monism shines through this visual crutch.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

Thank you, @Zippy1940 ! I'm glad you found it helpful , Monism indeed takes center stage, and I appreciate your engagement with the content,.welcome to channel

[@user-mi9nc9dn7c]

Good Podcast about Spinoza thanks

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

Thanks for listening

[@steveflorida8699]

If an intelligent eternal Being has universal imagination and cosmic creativity, then that self-contained Being might desire to create Imperfect beings/humans. Giving the perfect eternal Being/God, a self challenge, to enlighten and have the imperfect humans to embrace and be like God. Therefore, divine God has a will --- a spiritual will for humans to attain the higher ways of heavenly paradise.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

hope you enjoy the podcast

[@exaucemayunga22]

It's crazy how I've always had these thoughts as a Christian, which led me to become an atheist, without even having heard of Spinoza or his argument😮

[@dharmapalsharma2679]

🌺🌺🌺 तत्व / Substance 🌺🌺🌺

[@medmed-db2dg]

good ride

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

you are welcome

[@mutthuselvam7610]

Thanks

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

Welcome @mutthuselvam7610

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

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[@zeroonetime]

God I.S. the Will. Willing the Information System. Infinity Squared.

[@doctorjoy7333]

Thank you 😊 autobiography of a yogi 😊

[@hemdanissan9289]

מדהים איך שפינוזה קובע וממציא אלוהים אחרים, שסותרים את התנך. קובע שלאלוהים אין רצון, בשעה שכל התנך תפקידו לתאר את רצונו של אלוהים ואת הקשר שלו עם בני האדם

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

Spinoza's concept of God as a unified substance that encompasses everything in existence might seem divergent from the anthropomorphic deity depicted in traditional religious texts. However, Spinoza's aim is not to negate the Tanakh but to offer a philosophical reinterpretation that reconciles reason with faith. In his view, God's "will" is not akin to human volition but rather unfolds through the natural laws governing the universe.

[@hemdanissan9289]

@@Mindful_Philosophy It is true that the laws of nature and creation are the expression of God's will, but as a Jew, Spinoza learned the Bible, and in the Bible, the founding fathers of the nation of Israel, and the prophets, reveal to us the will of God, not only in nature, but specifically what God expects from human beings as individuals, and as a nation. I find it very strange that Spinoza speaks of the attributes of God while simply ignoring the prophesies of the Bible, and the dialogue between God and humans. God revealed Himself to Abraham and Moses for a purpose. Of course God has a will.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

@hemdanissan9289 in Spnoza's view, God's will is not anthropomorphized or contingent upon individual human interactions as depicted in biblical narratives. FORHIM God's will is expressed through the immutable laws of nature, which govern the universe in a rational and deterministic manner. Spioza's departure from the anthropomorphic conception of God found in traditional religious texts allows for a deeeper exploration of the natural order and the underlying principles that govrn existence. Rather than focusing on specific divine commands or prophecies. welcome to the channel

[@doring4579]

🙂🌎⏳🙏♥️

[@dharmapalsharma2679]

🌺🧐😂😂😂 All the Divine Fun…😂😂😂🌺

[@yousefnadjarzadeh]

God has not created any human being in his own image, what he has created, self-aware and intelligent, is the air that surrounds the earth, and man or any other creature owes his self-awareness and intelligence to this air. in which they are all immersed, and that self-aware, intelligent creator who created the entire universe is nothing or anyone but the unique, incomparable space of the sky.

[@dharmapalsharma2679]

🌺🌺🌺Most apt description highlighting the Divine Beauty of Islam ☪️ and Vedanta 🕉️… May be it’s all as Divinely Ordained 🌺🔯🕎✝️☯️☪️🕉️☮️🌺

[@user-ky5dy5hl4d]

Why god is indifferent to our choices? Because there is no god and that is the best explanation why god does not give a hoot.

[@user-jt5ot4hy9q]

If God doesn't/can't have desires, why/how did he desire to create the world? It seems we're always working with incomplete and unclear definitions to construe what we're talking about.

[@MrJamesdryable]

Is it possible that existence always was? No governor?

[@dharmapalsharma2679]

🌺🌺🌺 All this as Divinely Ordained 🌺☯️✝️🕎🔯⚛️🕉️☪️☮️🌺

[@user-qp2xy5zs7r]

Is it God or Nature or is it God or Reason?

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

God OR = Nature

[@dharmapalsharma2679]

🧐 Spinoza 🧐 Amazing Attribute of the Almighty…. Just as everyone of us was is will be…or…even Otherwise 😂 And all as may be Divinely Ordained 🌺☪️🕉️🔯⚛️🕎✝️☯️☮️🌺

[@ace_ofchaos9292]

I always find it funny when people believe the devil gave man free will because of the tree of knowledge. The main issue is God told Adam and Eve they were to not eat the fruit. You can’t have temptation without choice. As for the tree of knowledge I think the name is self exclamatory. Knowledge is neither benevolent or malevolent, its what you do with the knowledge that matters.

[@exaucemayunga22]

God wanted them to stay ignorant. If they were indeed ignorant, that means they didn't know that eating the fruit was wrong.

[@ace_ofchaos9292]

​@@exaucemayunga22 The issue with your claim is that not all knowlage is good. Not to mention the reason kids are eased into adulthood is because studies have shown children who are exposed to sex and other adult things early often grow up tramatized. One perfect example of knowlage not being inheranly good is Socialism in general. It has never worked, people who claim it's never been truely tried are delusional and its caused more suffering than any other ideology in human history. Heres an example, ever have your own parents tell you NOT to do something only to do it anyways? I bet at least once you've disobeyed them. As people grow up they begin to understand the reasons why their parents tell them not to do things. Children are stupid and I bet adam and eve had the brains of children.

[@Reso-pn7kr]

@@exaucemayunga22 "God wanted them to stay ignorant. If they were indeed ignorant, that means they didn't know that eating the fruit was wrong." As to why Christ said if a man is born blind he is not guilty of sin. upon the cross: "forgive them father, for they know not what they do"

[@Reso-pn7kr]

@@exaucemayunga22 PS, Perhaps the context is God desired man not to have to suffer the consequence of knowing the pains of sin, which is death of the spirit mind body and soul. Hell in of ones consciousnesses, void of grace and peace and wellness within and family community or nation. The whole world. Every see it that way before?

[@exaucemayunga22]

@Reso-pn7kr if God is all powerful, how can he not get what he want?

[@user-qp2xy5zs7r]

What up wit it, the new answers are the questions we ask!

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

?

[@MrSky21448]

Find your inner God first, then talk. Does your cell inside your body recognize you as God? Our body is living inside this earth or universe. So now, think again.

[@miloradvranjesevic5136]

Nihil est in iñtelectu quod non fuerit in sensu nisi intelectus ipše .

[@user-cy1oq5zb5u]

Who knows the mind of an omniscient and all powerful god? All who presume to know the mind of a god are delusional.

[@TheGariego]

Spinoza seems to have a partially Catholic view of things but gets off somewhat when he says God IS the universe and does not create deliberately. He's close then veers off into the weeds.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

;-)

[@marcussord5290]

I simply find the use of ‘He’ and like pronouns awkwardly placed in Spinoza’s dialectic.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

@marcussord5290 Thank you for your feedback. We'll consider

[@hemdanissan9289]

Of course God has a will, a desire and He revealed his will through the Bible. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands[b] of those who love me and keep my commandments. 7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain. 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. 13 “You shall not murder.[c] 14 “You shall not commit adultery. 15 “You shall not steal. 16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 17 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”

[@gerryhanly3194]

You are assuming that the Bible is the word of God and not the writings of ancient minds who didn't know what they were talking about.

[@hemdanissan9289]

@@gerryhanly3194 Do you think you can simply erase the word of God, the Bible, and still presume you can describe philosophically what God is about? No. God is described in the Bible. There is no other God, or a "philosophical" invented God. God has given us the Bible and traditions and prophets so that we know who is God and what he wants from us.

[@gerryhanly3194]

Hemda, what about all the Gods people believed in before the Bible God like Odin, Thor, Apollo, Olokun, Amun-Ra, etc etc all of whom have been consigned to the graveyard of mythology which is where the Monotheistic God also belongs.

[@hemdanissan9289]

@@gerryhanly3194 The Bible spends a great deal of time talking about the other false Gods, that people worshipped. They were false!! You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully,16so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,17or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air,18or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.19And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.20But as for you, the LORD took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.

[@hemdanissan9289]

@@gerryhanly3194 , their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets. 27 Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us. 28 But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah. 29 Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the Lord.

[@PastafarianPriest]

I too was enamored of Spinoza for years until I realized that he knew nothing of real life. He died a forty-four-year-old virgin.

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

may be virgin mean more pure ...

[@IvanKaramazov-zv6mn]

Why should he have cared about sleeping around with women when he could dedicate his life on writing Ethics? I would trade half my life to become a genius if I could to produce a great work for humanity. Perhaps, the world need more virgins like Newton and Spinoza than people like Casanova.

[@PastafarianPriest]

@@IvanKaramazov-zv6mn Not "sleeping around," silly. Baruch, who was indeed an unparalleled genius as some of us have noted (and whom I still love), never knew the joys of sex. He never knew the responsibilities of marriage and fatherhood. There's an old expression, which I believe comes from the Zohar: "A man without a woman is half-a-man."

[@IvanKaramazov-zv6mn]

@@PastafarianPriest Alright, your OP made it seem like you were degrading him based on his chastity. But still, I doubt he'd be able to finish his work if he had a family to look after, or even if, as masterfully as he had.

[@PastafarianPriest]

@@IvanKaramazov-zv6mn That's a fair point. Thanks so much.

[@hemdanissan9289]

This podcast is heresy and apostacy

[@Mindful_Philosophy]

Respectfully, this channel focuses on philosophy and philosophers, aiming to provide educational content. It explores various perspectives, including those of philosophers who both believe and do not believe in God. While it may challenge certain religious beliefs, its intent is to foster critical thinking and understanding rather than promote heresy or apostasy. Thank you for sharing your concerns