Customer NOT responding to COURT and still has NOT paid huge bill. CCJ time?

[@john-paulthompson4932]

You run a business not a charity. You have been more than fair. Press the button.

[@STANLIZ4]

He is making a case to justify you selling too, not all lost!

[@EverydayLife621]

Its not that simple, as someone who has delt with DCBL (and won evey time), its easy to get it set aside in court - mediation should be your 1st aim. - especially if it's not in your area, as you will need to attend where ever it is in the country.

[@ChrisHolmes1953]

Don’t pussyfoot around asking what we the viewers think you should do. Be decisive and stop waffling on which doesn’t come across as very professional, it’s clear you need to potentially hit the customer with the CCJ so just serve him notice by email and hard copy by recorded delivery that if full payment is not received within 7 working days of the letter date you will instruct the issue of a CCJ.

[@colinmorley2966]

Press the button, people like this gentleman put honest people like you out of business. And couldn't care less.

[@BurpTheKitten]

Been there, done that. Hit the button. He then has 30 days to clear it before it hits his credit rating. If he doesn't you have enforcement options.

[@EverydayLife621]

.. but you can have it setaside for £300 ish? if you go before a district judge in your locality to explain why.

[@KeithSanders-t7k]

You have been very patient and he is making a fool of you so CCJ it must be.

[@bikerphil9634]

Press that bloody button he's had long enough to cough up

[@elizabethhitler]

Press the button. After suffering the same kind of tardiness in payments by several customers over the first few years of business, I finally found that a detailed estimate in writing, followed by a 50% deposit with order, balance prior to delivery/collection, sorted the wheat from the tares. if they cant or wont pay a big deposit, they certainly wont want to pay the full bill. Its a sort of Darwin Award for potential customers. A fairly regular phone call with updates on progress helps them to realise that things are moving on and the balance will be due soon. A CCJ soon focuses their attention too!

[@tonytasker489]

Get the ccj, then apply to the High Court to retrieve your money. They'll send in the High Court bailiffs. And they don't mess about.

[@Jason-zh7wo]

Press the button, 11k bill youve been waiting for months giving him plenty of time to pay 👍👍

[@JohnHanson-r1z]

My Mrs used to do the books for my motorcycle tuning shop. She never messed about if they didn’t pay used to say CCJ and got the money. You can’t afford not to get paid for the work you do especially in this day and age

[@garry1450]

Press the bloody button lee, he's had plenty warnings and chances,if his boss didn't give him his wages at end off the week he would do the same, it's a business mate

[@phenogen8125]

You need to get payment up front for all parts at the very least to prevent further fiasco mitigation.

[@PhilG999]

Time to press the button! You've been FAR more patient than *I* would have been!

[@user-Wildthing]

launch the ccj . Get your day in court and recover your costs as well . Move that 10k engine away from the door to somewhere secure from tea leaves .

[@davideckford2415]

Hit that button Lee you’ve been very patient and fair with him

[@GRUMPY0254]

Go for it. Get a CCJ. Put a marker down that you are not going to tolerate not being recompensed for your expertise.

[@EverydayLife621]

Its not that simple, as someone who has delt with DCBL (and won evey time), its easy to get it set aside in court - mediation should be your 1st aim.

[@GRUMPY0254]

@EverydayLife621 I understood that once a judge had ruled it is only a matter of enforcement.

[@paulspickernell6875]

Yep it’s CCJ time

[@woollamiainternationalfilm5285]

Do it Lee. You guys are rock solid so have no qualms. This dude is stuffing you around.

[@BryanHolmes-j4r]

Go for it Lee

[@chiefrocka8604]

11 grand …11 GRAND 😂 NO WONDER HE DONT WANNA PAY IT THE CARS NOT WORTH 11 GRAND 😂

[@stigg333]

Don't forget the max for a CCJ is £10000.00? Press the button and get it moving as he is never going to pay! Glad your going to keep the Lambo and enjoy it!

[@Goldie644]

You've given him more than enough opportunity to pay, so go for the CCJ

[@EverydayLife621]

Its not that simple, as someone who has delt with DCBL (and won evey time), its easy to get it set aside in court - mediation should be your 1st aim.

[@Goldie644]

Mediation doesn't work when one party doesn't respond

[@classicrestouk]

From experience (against my company) the process to retrieve funds is as follows: 1. High court judgement - if successful, a CCJ will be issued against the claimant. Step 2. If they dont pay, you send the case to the supreme court. If this is successful, they will issue a writ against the claimant. At that stage, you pass it onto a recovery team (the supreme court writ cannot be refused entry unless the claimant applied for a stay of the writ in time)

[@abzzeus]

you've got the process nearly right but names wrong: CCJ is County Court Judgement, which you can either send to either the bailiffs or (over £800) transfer to the High Court for enforcement purposes. Once at the High Court a writ is issued at which point, the defendant gets 7 days to respond to the Enforcement team, then gets a visit to pay up - "can't pay / We'll take it away" (The Supreme Court ain't involved)

[@classicrestouk]

@abzzeus maybe it's different when it's b2b?

[@abzzeus]

@@classicrestouk nope the legal process is the same as they always refer to claimant/defendant

[@itsverygreen532]

@@classicrestouk No. The Supreme Court hears very few cases, sits in London and only gets invovled in the very highest level legal decisions about our constitution and interprtation of the law when the appeals court judges have been unable to reach a unaminous decision on a matter of law. CCJs are just handled by the county court (well, actually an office block) and rubber stamped by a special division of the High Court that is in reality just another office block. The only stuff that ends up in the Supreme Court is stuff that has been to the Crown Court, has been granted leave to appeal, gone through the appeals court, and again been granted leave to appeal to the supreme court ... it typically takes around £500k+ in legal costs before it gets there ...

[@classicrestouk]

@itsverygreen532 the reason I believed what I stated, I have a ccj against my company for a disputed telecoms bill. Somehow I received a supreme court judgement - unless this has been forged in an attempt to put pressure on me to pay? Total bill was £1200 which was disputed. Now they want £3k

[@Chris12211]

Unfortunately I think it’s time for you to press the button on this one. You’ve given more than enough time, you’ve chased it and made it clear what the customer owe’s you. With the amount of debt they’ve racked up and the fact they haven’t responded to the court, I think this is now your only option. As you say, you have bills to pay as well. As for the channel, really enjoy the content you put out, really open and honest. As for the technical stuff, you manage to do it in such a way, that even the less mechanically minded people can understand. I think the way you guys are so open and transparent about everything as well adds to the appeal.

[@SX939]

He is becoming a "Dead Beat" and that is a toll on your fine business. I would go for the CCJ, why should your business suffer!

[@ErnieBarnett]

press that button you ain't running a charity Lee he's had plenty of time to pay up .

[@paulnolan1352]

Cheers Lee, he hasn’t got the money to pay you by the looks of it. Getting the Courts involved is only going to work if he’s solvent and has recoverable assets. Keep going and learn from each experience.🤙

[@keithfletcher6123]

Haha … “I can’t work in all the crap” (roll back 2 years … happy as a 🐷 in 💩 in the old shambles … 😂)

[@smug1uk]

Getting a CCJ against your customer is no guarantee he will pay, you will most likely need to go to the next stage which is to get the court to send the bailiffs in.

[@danielkearns3600]

I went up on my prices at shop to stay on the curve of inflation and have made way more money this year with less headaches with slightly less work and cut out new customers to take care of current ones and happy i made the changes.

[@johnfoster3286]

Even with a CCJ there is no guarantee you will get the money, he might go bankrupt or find another way of wriggling out of the debt.

[@abzzeus]

Get the CCJ , transfer it to the high court for enforcement purposes, tell them you have the engine which is worth X - which those the High Court Enforcement can seize. They'll then sell it at auction for you - legally. Gets it out of your place & raises some cash

[@davidmairs6233]

Press the button Lee simple you can't let feelings stand in the way , he's obviously not going to pay as you've given him more than enough time .

[@peterjackson846]

CCJ time, do it !

[@itsverygreen532]

been in business for 25 years ... I always split them up into can't pay and won't pay ... If they won't pay an invoice because they don't see you as a priority, a small claims court can help get them to pay up. If they *can't* pay, you are just wasting your time and making their life harder, but it still won't get paid. If you can use the CCJ as a route to seizing the goods and selling them to cover your costs and return any surplus to the customer, that may still be worthwhile though.

[@BadWiltshireDrivers]

Press the button. You are a business not a charity!

[@Nicknofish]

You have seen the light. Neat and tidy and productive. V nice 👌

[@stumartin2644]

business is business....the only thing is if you go down the CCJ route, he won't get any notification of the matter going to court. But, it's your money, CCJ ... go for it

[@cliverkay]

Been there , Got the T shirt . Push the button !!

[@jeffHall-w1i]

Request the CCJ and be prepared to have the court appoint a High Court Bailiff to enforce the debt.

[@peterlitton-r5t]

I have been self employed all my ilife in my own auto electrical firm, I have taken many customers to court large and small debts., always successful. Don't hesitate press that button. Good luck.

[@arzemagic]

Push the button immediately

[@cudwieser3952]

get the ccj. Pass it to your solicitor and get the court on your side. You've been too kind before. Once it becomes clear you're not a soft touch and stand by your work you'll start to get more of the right customers. There'll always be chancers but few will tempt a nibble if the know you won't put up with BS.It's nice to be nice, but vital to be honest.

[@ataxpayer723]

A solicitor will be of no use They just end out a letter, and charge you two hundred quid. Get the CCJ, then let the court bailiffs do their thing. Be prepared for this clown to say "I though that the amount included delivery"

[@grahambrown4176]

Press the button, it's your business & the customer accepted the estimate

[@cwgwyer]

Get a CCJ. it puts the ball in his court. If he pays within 1 month, then he can apply to get it cancelled. After that he's struck with it and then you can decide if you what to go down the enforcement route

[@K_Grude]

Get the judgement. There is a a demand for these engines, and you will eventually get your money. You will never be completely whole considering the amount of time that will have gone by, but on paper you will. The stress and work that you are putting into collection will be at an end. You're right, it is just business, nothing personal.

[@andypandy955]

Business is business get your money. Don't feel bad it's not your fault.

[@davelister7183]

press the button

[@pauljsims]

Press the button Lee, he’s had enough time to pay and hasn’t. You’re a business not a charity or a storage centre. Your owed the money for services rendered, so you must get paid.

[@franciscook5819]

Re. the unpaid bill, you need to do the following 1) explicitly tell the engine owner that you have no choice but to get a CCJ, and that will, unfortunately, ruin his credit rating 2) if they don't pay (they should be able to get a loan if needed) within a week, then schedule the crown court hearing as soon as possible 3) when you win the case, immediately got to the bailiffs and pay the fee to have collection enforcement (this used to be about £30 but I'm sure it's much more now) so that, without further bother to you, the debt, legal expenses and bailiffs fees will be collected on your behalf. The courts usually allow 30 days for payment so the bailiffs will only act once that period has expired. As for the engine? Get the owner to sign a bill of sale for the scrap cost or (if they are nearby) tell them you will deliver it for free (it's a small cost to you) just to get it out of the door.

[@ataxpayer723]

It's good to see that the classic and performance side of the business is growing. The new tidy "clean room" is obviously helping the reputation and workflow. Over Xmas do you have any plans to work on the upstairs area, and finish the painting around the workshop? Plus any thoughts on starting your own line of Barum Performance parts, that can generate cash flow.

[@richardhorton4563]

Take it through the high court. Their sheriffs have more authority and will be like a dog with a bone. Much more chance of getting your money and costs back. Also remember you can charge daily compound interest at 8% above the bank base rate. Good luck with it, love the channel, get driving that Lambo .

[@rogerhowell9987]

That ornament of V8 liners will be growing cobwebs soon!

[@clivestinton5217]

Lee, life is about Karma, what goes around ....... You, Isac and John ultimately have good Karma with your transparency and desire to deliver excellent results / the best service for your customers. That will always deliver good financial results as long as you face head on the commercial reality / challenges any credible business will, unfortunately, have to incur when dealing with customers. The court process is there for a reason so do not feel shy to use it when you have made every attempt to avoid it in the customers best interest already. Go for what the customer has made inevitable and sleep well whilst the process takes it time to work out.

[@davidedgar2818]

Please enjoy your holidays more with your family.🌟 You don't need to stuff your schedule with doing vids and editing. I love your machining vids and appreciate that you have a family too. Those kids only grow up once. My mind is that I can wait till whenever is right for your content.

[@onlyme8001]

Press the button. I always tell customers those numbers are VAT not a registered charity reg number.

[@EricaMTB]

I doubt that he wants to get the Land Rover running or it will get nicked.

[@johnmontgomery4937]

Press the Green Button, it will also send a signal to other possible defaulters your not to be messed with!

[@danielbrown4133]

As Michael Corleone said in The Godfather - "It's not personal, it's business". PRESS THE BUTTON! Bugger him Lee.

[@catkiller7]

Time for CCJ, he has had enough time to correspond in a decent manner to get a resolution, time has passed to be nice.

[@andythorne1261]

a tidy work place is a safe place, on the v6 what is the car worth your 11k wont be the end of, expenditure buy the car and take control of the situation, with no engine its worth what it weighs,

[@anonymouscyclist1233]

Go for the CCJ, Hopefully that will get him to pay up. You've been more than fair.

[@josephbrownjr3564]

I absolutely agree exclamation point because at the end of the day it is just business and if you're worried about feeling bad you've given him a year to get things under way and he's not going to respond to you nicely now he's got to respond to the magistrate. Hit the button make it happen and cry over one beer about feeling bad what you did and move on

[@kennethcharest5293]

Do it. It is owed to you.

[@paulherbert3802]

Stop asking the internet what you should do, you’ve made that mistake before, it’s your business you should know what you need to do.

[@roberttaylor5764]

Under the Garage Keepers Act here in Canada you can just send the Landrover engine to an Auction House for sale with a reserve price

[@peterstokes8631]

Yes, time to get on with it.

[@wulliest]

CCJ, then apply for High Court writ. Hopefully the HCEO’s have a film crew with them.

[@GunsgodcountryTrump]

You’ve been very fair. Don’t feel bad about initiating the CCJ.

[@johnmackenzie7487]

You can take a lien on his engine in order to sell it off and recover/defray your costs. I don't know how you go about it or how long you have to give him before disposing of his goods, but your solicitor would advise.

[@daledavies2334]

On the Lambo, yup, enjoy it. If I had the money my choice would be an Espada. On the Ungenius V6, go for the CCJ. You need to be able to get on with business.

[@Maxwelhouser66]

CCJ

[@bazza7777]

Sell it on to get some money back

[@6383180sjr]

No doubt about it at all Lee. The engine owner has shown that he has no intention of voluntarily paying for the work you’ve done so CCJ is the only realistic option you have left. Force them to either pay for the engine or give you the authority to sell it on to recover your costs.

[@MegaReddevil71]

Press the button

[@black5f]

Can't believe a LR rebuild is 11k. Press the go button. Someone I know, a kind of a relation, very proudly showed me their couple of year old Jag, I think with a similar engine? He said it was a good one he found, it was only 41k and just had a new engine fitted, not a recon, a replacement new, good for another 30 to 40k or so ha ha? I nearly fell over. I had a LR, a 96, I put 150k on her, over 200 when I sold her, 22 years I had her, never failed, never any engine work, just radiator, water pump, alternator, some pipes that's all.

[@davecooke914]

Hit the button lee he has had loads of time to pay you 👍👍

[@johncrofts4393]

Definitely go for the CCJ

[@stephenfoley5292]

GREEN BUTTON.....NOW!!

[@1900Refurb-ul8sn]

I can't believe it's been a year since you changed the shop already, well worth it though Lee. I'd contact the customer one more time asking how they propose to settle the problem, issuing a CCJ is a serious long term and life affecting financial black marker, hoping the customer will propose something beneficial to both parties. Don't know how long the CCJ is active before it self cancels, use that date as the back stop date, or a few days earlier and keep it active if the customer proposal fails. We all have bad luck sometimes don't we, I wonder why he agreed the work and seems to now negated the agreement, maybe something that could affect all of us anytime. ❤ from Yorkshire.

[@fatwalletboy2]

Do the CCJ .no messing about.

[@donaldhalls2189]

Only £ 4000, it cost me $ 4000 AU to have a transmission in,😂 hope you go forward with legal process, £ 7000 in parts isn't chicken feed ,thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones

[@bobuncle8704]

I’d say press the button. The only thing I might do is send the customer that’s your intention if you haven’t heard from them in, say, 5 business days. Yes, you’ve given them lots of time, but the CCJ has other impacts outside of the debt. Things like, it could impact their credit score, and their ability to get loans in the future.

[@minigpracing3068]

You could offer to reduce the price to remove all the storage fees, with a specific date to pay and pickup. But I would probably file the court papers at the same time.

[@marcwonnacott3286]

He’s had enough time Lee. Press the button.

[@geertlenting7837]

CCJ it is Lee, you have a business to run, you have bills to pay and so on.

[@tonywoodford9164]

Not in in the run to Christmas. Have some heart. End of January yes do it. Doing the right thing is hard

[@ecossearthur]

Not a charity and your not a bank.. Press the button..

[@henktulp4400]

Maybe give the owner a full overview of what are the developments that led to this stage and give him a FINAL 7 days to pay and collect; at the same time making it VERY clear this absolutely is his VERY last straw…..

[@panslow4381]

Press!

[@andywalker9495]

Hit the button, no excuse for what they have done.

[@chartersclose]

Just because you issue a CCJ doesnt mean you will get your money if they say i can afford £10 a week thats your lot.

[@richarddavey7884]

Push the button mate, the guys taken the piss and left you with nowhere else to go. Good luck

[@stevenbutler2030]

CCJ you have no choice 💯👍

[@alamocannon3791]

Hit the button, You know it makes sense..

[@whitacrebespoke]

Hit the button. From my own experience earlier in the year it will take the court about 3 months for them to do much.

[@alandillon4956]

Good on you Lee. CCJ all day long. On so tired of people just trying to take your hard earned services and material. Just thieves. Enjoy the Lambo life is the journey not the destination.

[@martinstone3656]

Have you checked the Land Rover guys is still alive? People do die you know 😅😅

[@jamest5149]

Might be worth sending the non-paying customer a record delivery letter,,explain the court’s decision bit you will hold off enforcing the ccj for 14 days if full and cleared payment is received by a specified date or even a payment schedule (full payment before releasing the engine), giving a little window of opportunity isn’t going to cost you anything and the opportunity to avoid a ccj with a bit of time may help get the customer to respond . Another option is to get them to sign over the engine ownership to you so you can sell it instead of them getting a CCJ, that way you are not sitting on it for 2 years with all the money thats gone into it being tied up.

[@tonymarshharveytron1970]

Hello Lee, Just a suggestion for your next video. You haven't mentioned the Rover V8 lately, Are you intending to fit solid cam followers and adjustable rockers or push rods? Would this be a good subject for the viewrs, as you could explain the reasoning behind the process. You could also mention the relevence of the rocker ratio, and when setting the tappets that it is more accurate to use a dial micrometer, particularly on bedded in valve trains as the rockers tend to wear a slight cup over time. Just a thought, Kind regards, Tony Marsh, ( Holsworthy ).

[@kimweedon8056]

When you receive a engine get them to sign a contract that says that when we tel you it’s ready to be picked up and payed for .They have 20 working to pick up or it will be dreamed abandoned and will be sold as per the signed agreement.

[@kimweedon8056]

20 working days ?