Bash coming Natively to Windows 10!

[@FrankFloresRGVZGM]

Knowing Microsoft, they're going to force you to run apt-get upgrade every day.

[@b009z]

😂

[@bomkarram]

👍 I believe importing bash natively to windows doesn't target linux developers, but it targets the developers who currently are moving to MAC OS X, so they don't have a developing reason to move, anymore.

[@b009z]

Clever

[@hyxer87]

+Abdulrahman Alamoudi (‫بومكَرّم‬‎) agree

[@PeterGeras]

+Abdulrahman Alamoudi (‫بومكَرّم‬‎) I actually considered a mac when buying my newest laptop, as opposed to my usual windows ubuntu dual boot. Still stuck with what I know and love though, and this news just made it that much sweeter.

[@AbdullahZakir]

Exactly!

[@OscarMarquez]

As a developer I will prefer pure Linux, but this is good for companies with Windows Servers. Now they don't need to have Linux servers, only Windows running Linux inside. M$ can use Linux because it's OPEN, but Linux can't so M$ is taking advantage of that.

[@o0Donuts0o]

Also R€d Hat and $u$e. They also make money. Don't forget that.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+Oscar Marquez First, it's not Linux. Microsoft are not using *any* Linux code. In fact they are ditching Linux for their private proprietary NT kernel. What they are doing is trying to port parts of the GNU operating system. Microsoft do not have a free hand with GNU software. It is under the GNU GPL licence and Microsoft will have to abide by the terms of that licence in distributing source code with their systems. They also cannot incorporate or link to code under the GNU GPL without also releasing their code under a compatible free software licence. People working in the free software world have never had access to Microsoft's source code. What has been needed to be done has been reverse engineered, but for the vast, vast majority of free software, Microsoft code has absolutely no relevance. GNU/Linux is its own system.

[@OscarMarquez]

Abiezer Coppe they could use Linux code, not so sure they aren't using

[@abiezercoppe8886]

Oscar Marquez No, they are using a user-mode system. That means they are using their NT kernel instead of Linux. Therefore no Linux, since that's what it is, the kernel. You can be sure of that, since that's what is happening.

[@SusanAmberBruce]

This is cool as it's going to help computer restoration and reuse

[@TheSulross]

This is huge - is a long time fantasy being realized. I work from a Windows PC even though the software I develop is intended to run on Linux servers. Microsoft Outlook, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Visio are crucial applications that we use for the other things that involve software development other than writing code. So we all get Windows works stations. I hate installing and using VMs on my own PC - this always turns into a management nightmare to deal with - no time for administrating my own VMs. Plus I hate running IDEs in a VM. VMs in the cloud are find, but not VMs on my own PC - I just absolutely hate them with an extreme passion. Cygwin and Mingw don't cut the mustard - full of issues and imperfections and hugely incomplete. This actual Ubuntu Linux running on Windows through a subsystem and using the native file system directly is THE only way that is reasonable to do this, and it's impact for developers working on Windows will be huge.

[@AntounSawires]

+TheSulross That's exactly what Microsoft is going for their trying to bridge the gap between Windows and Linux Developers. I never thought the Microsoft would pull such a bold move, but on a business stand point it's a fantastic move one that can really push Windows 10 into high scale development.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+Antoun Sawires Sorry, but they're not trying to "bridge the gap", but desperately try to hold onto their monopoly position that they realise they are losing. They haven't actually "integrated" anything much at all anyway. You see a few things that work and assume it all does ... far from it. MS will have severe difficulties ever actually integrating free software (under the GNU GPL) with their system whilst hanging on to their software secrets and monopolist attitudes. You mention a "business move" ... and that's it. You've hit the nail on the head, this has nothing to do with the interests of users or customers, but everything to do with MS trying to hang onto its monopoly.

[@TheSulross]

+untseac well, yes, there's more to software development as a process and profession than just the use of a development tool stack. Our company is standardized on Exchange. I've used some sort of Outlook "equivalent" on every other kind of platform and device and they all are a distinct compromise from using an Outlook client on Windows. To do all the things I need to do (besides just reading emails, occasionally replying, or getting meeting alerts) with Exchange I can only successfully do that (i.e., without frustrations and compromise) from Outlook on Windows. As to Visio, that is just an absolute mandatory tool for me and there is no other application of that genre on another platform that even remotely would give me cause for switching. Though these days I I write more documentation in Markdown, I still need to create more formal structured documents too - Word is a capable tool and its formats a kind of easy universal exchange medium. Excel is a great multi-purpose tool.

[@rpcruz]

+TheSulross "Microsoft Outlook, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Visio" the 2010 versions run fine on Linux under playonlinux. We have found the 2010 versions are enough for our users.

[@phonyfelony3935]

so What about Openbox on windows :D?

[@ubuntulinux7278]

I loved Linux and i still love Linux no matter what distro it is Fedora ,Puppy ,Mint ,Ubuntu ,Gentoo ,Pardus ,Pisi ...

[@TheShneek]

This is great not enough for me to develop in Windows but I feel it is now more of a contender as a web developer OS.

[@zjz19900621]

POSIX subsystem was always on Windows. Unfortunately, that project was killed in Win8.

[@SridharSathya]

YES.Idon't have to struggle with power she'll anymore.

[@o0Donuts0o]

Verb noun too hard for you sweetie?

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+Sridhar Sathya You will, since this GNU Bash cannot actually interact with Windows programmes.

[@MoreChannelNoise]

It could be bad for linux users, from what I understand they are making a linux subsystem to run on windows, The great thing about linux for me was there was much less chance of getting a virus, if the two operating systems start to share code this might change.

[@b009z]

I'm not overly sure on that, Linux itself still shouldn't be targeting, though I understand what you're saying. Interesting point though.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+MoreChannelNoise This is *literally* not Linux. Microsoft, despite the deliberately loose language is not using Linux at all.

[@theroundduckman]

+MoreChannelNoise *GNU subsystem FTFY.

[@theroundduckman]

***** But it isn't Linux, just a few syscall translations. That's like saying that we're running the NT Kernel on Wine.

[@theroundduckman]

***** It's still erroneous, it's not real Linux, and if you were to compare GNU/Linux, with that, and GNU itself (GNU Mach kernel), they would be pretty much the same thing, the only differences are drivers, or other kernel-involved stuff.

[@djsensacion7]

This is Microsoft saying " Hey developers we have bash too !" and nothing else. MS is getting crushed in the developer/server market and adopting a more Linux like environment would help attract more developers/IT back, The other snippet from all this was the MS adoption on LXD, which MS wants from Ubuntu to get better performance than running VM's... Microsoft is up to something... And I don't like it.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+Miguel Sensacion Microsoft is panicking because they've lost control of the developer stack ... and this move admits that fact.

[@volleyballschlaeger]

+Abiezer Coppe they lost because wine was too slow. imagine everybody would be using win98 programs everywhere today and visual basic 6.0. it could have become true if wine had been better in the past.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

volleyballschlaeger What has this got to do with Wine? This is about Microsoft control and profits. They see both going down the pan in a few years so they are desperately trying to stay "relevant". No-one needs their NT kernel and I predict that their effort will fail.

[@minordetails8059]

Considering how much data Microsoft grabs from PCs running Windows in the name of "making Cortana smarter", would you trust your id_rsa (private key) on Microsoft Windows? I certainly wouldn't.

[@MrBranh0913]

If they can get Docker to work, that would be amazing. But I doubt that'll happen

[@roflcopter645]

+Brandon H, docker themselves are working on it too.

[@kostantinos201199]

Antoun ...quick tip for your videos. If you are using audacity try removing the background noise from your videos its annoying a little bit and distracting

[@darkrta]

Now microsoft has to bring windows binary support to linux.

[@ComputersRULE]

heck yeah

[@ashkore7857]

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+Finley Horsefield Except they can't. There is nothing to buy. The GNU operating system (remember, this is GNU and GNU Bash, not the Linux kernel which they are replacing with the NT kernel), is free software. It's why they are able to do this , but it also indicates that Microsoft are panicking over their loss of control over the development stack. This is Microsoft waving the white flag, and retreating to their increasingly irrelevant kernel.

[@o0Donuts0o]

+Abiezer Coppe for years the freetards cried Microsoft is against us. Now Microsoft opens the doors and let's you in and you cry some more. Linux's biggest hurdle are the people that use it.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+o0Donuts0o Well, you show your true colours by using the word "freetard" and then assuming that you know what I think and have done in the past ... ie a classic straw man argument. Microsoft has not "opened its doors" or "let me in", what a patronising way to put it by the way. Microsoft, as with Adobe and many others, is a profit driven capitalist corporation. They literally have no interest in promoting anything, unless it gives them power over and profit from the user. I've never asked to be "let in" by them. Frankly, I very, very rarely comment on Microsoft, they mean nothing in my everyday life, I simply don't think of them, why would I? However, there are some interesting parts of this story to comment upon. One. This is not "Linux", literally so. MS are not using the kernel (called Linux) and are simply using parts of the GNU operating system. For this reason, it is erroneous to call Bash the "Linux command line", it is nothing of the sort, Linux has no command line. It is right to question why Microsoft are moving in this way, and no, it's not because they are "opening up", it is because they are losing their market dominance and effective monopoly in certain areas. One major area is with young developers using newer programming languages. Microsoft has fallen seriously behind, they are losing these developers to GNU/Linux and are worried about it. This is the reason, the *only* reason that they are trying to kludge some of the GNU operating system into Windows on top of their NT kernel. The only reason, not because they're "opening up" or suddenly become "nice". This move is not done in friendship by Microsoft, but it is a desperate attempt to reset their battle-lines against free software, they're losing and like any empire that is losing a war, they have to work out how to survive and what they are capable of holding on to. Their new battle lines are drawn up around the NT kernel. So, do I uniquely hate Microsoft? No. I despise most corporations, but as I have to live in this society I have to work out which ones I can tolerate to live, and which ones I reject. I reject non-free software, therefore I don't use MS software.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

***** Undoubtedly true as well.

[@IvanJarBaq]

Any possibility that we'll see Android Apps coming to Linux as well?

[@AntounSawires]

+Iván Jara Well you can run Android apps on Linux already with Arc Welder through chrome.

[@LeorFlor]

+Iván Jara Try Genymotion. It only requires Virtualbox pre-installed. After put Android running on Geny, download the apk for Play Store and install it. Not much is needed in terms of specs, Use the toolds from Android SDK can be a much more optimal solution and I recommend that one for being slightly better.

[@nasanasax3757]

Nice and interesting ; but what is next Linux get sued for using bash ? bash was not invented by ubuntu so who else did they ask for permission to use bash ? 5-10 year and Microsoft will clams they created Linux ?

[@LeorFlor]

+nasa nasax You are taking about Microsoft, not Apple. And there's no need to ask for permission to use Bash, Microsoft/Canonical keep their source available so there's no infringement there, btw, it was created 32 yeas ago for GNU (not Linux).

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+nasa nasax GNU Bash has nothing to do with Linux, and in fact, Microsoft are not using or porting Linux at all. Linux is an operating system kernel, most commonly used in GNU/Linux. MS are porting some GNU programmes from the GNU operating system, they are not using Linux at all, but their own NT kernel. As Leor Flor points out, GNU Bash was not developed by Ubuntu, or for Linux as such, but by the GNU project for the GNU operating system. www.gnu.org Microsoft will have to abide by the GNU GPL licence, and I am sure that there are plenty of people watching closely.

[@theroundduckman]

+Abiezer Coppe Linux is an operating system kernel, most commonly used in Android. FTFY, sadly.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

RoundDuckMan Heh, yes, I suppose that is true ... Android indeed. GNU/Linux is probably the best known implementation though, as most people haven't much of a cluewhat Android is anyway (other than a thing on their telephone that isn't Apple).

[@aceltz6838]

I WANT

[@orfygage]

Bash is a GNU utility. Linux isn't coming to Windows, GNU is. Stallman's ears must be blowing smoke reading all that "Linux coming to Windows" stuff.

[@gemsstr7933]

+orfygage Ohhh, is that the whole "its GNU linux not linux" thing? - That linux and GNU are really separate? Alot of people are suspicius that this is windows' first step to intrude upon linux.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+ReasonIs WorthIt GNU and Linux are not the same thing. MS is not using Linux at all, in any way, literally. They are in fact deliberately *not* using Linux but their own secret proprietary NT kernel. This whole thing simply shows how brainless it was to try to label the whole GNU/Linux system as "Linux".

[@gemsstr7933]

+Abiezer Coppe ahhh I get it. Thanks for clearing that up!

[@abiezercoppe8886]

ReasonIs WorthIt Actually, something further. None of what MS are doing here is particularly new anyway. For years they had Windows Services for Unix using user-mode (basically what is happening here) that could run Unix shells, commands etc. All of this is simply MS marketing.

[@SupaKoopaTroopa64]

This makes me angry. Now all my friends will be telling me to switch to NSA/Windows.

[@o0Donuts0o]

No, they will tell you to grow up and maybe people will take you seriously. Get off the bandwagon sheep.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+Supa Koopa Troopa 64 You can just ignore them, or tell them about free software. www.fsf.org Nothing new really.

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+o0Donuts0o "Grow up"? Sorry, are you trying to tell him that it's childish not to use MS Windows? Ridiculous person.

[@morbidmanatee5550]

Apple.

[@tell1998]

so i got a question, is Microsoft trying to make Windows open source and also trying to keep it close source? lol. but for real one thing the reason why Microsoft is trying to do this I think because all their Developers went to Linux then when they added Bash to Windows they figure all the Linux Developers go back to Windows so they can spy on the Linux users. Or try to make it all good with the creator's of Ubuntu then stab them right in the back so they can buy their company like a back stabbing best friend. lol

[@abiezercoppe8886]

+TheLamerLinux Microsoft are just trying to stop being irrelevant to many developers. I predict they'll fail because who wants a load of half-baked "tools" rather than the real thing?

[@user78405]

finally Windows is now a complete UNIX os....DOS is dead

[@photon_4422]

DR.NEGA nope

[@photon_4422]

Microsoft is just trying to get more people to use windows, this isn't actual bash, its just taking commands from Linux and converting them to windows commands

[@abiezercoppe8886]

People do know that this is nothing new? Don't you? Microsoft had Unix services running for years using user-mode. Look up "Windows Services for Unix". They even ran shells such as Korn and C-shell. Frankly, you're all being taken in by some clever marketing. Move along, nothing to see other than Microsoft floundering around after the developers it's lost to free software systems such as GNU/Linux.

[@angelojulioth3616]

April Fools' huh?

[@MrBranh0913]

+Angelo Julioth If I didn't see this announcement 2 days ago, I would have thought the same thing

[@angelojulioth3616]

Brandon H Well, this is a cool feature, I mainly use Linux to use the console and the package management, but some people from the linux community are going to be mad.