Bass Station II vs. OP-Z (Sequencing AFX Mode)

[@truecuckoo]

Disable outgoing MIDI in the Bass Station by pressing option then shift then put the Mod wheel in up position, then put OSC1 into triangle then function three times then C F F#.. worked in version 2.3.6.6.7653a I’ll buy a Bass Station 2 because of AFX mode... and also because of this video ❤️

[@RedMeansRecording]

bwahaha, i was reading through this comment thinking it was serious for a second and was getting bewildered. ace bamboozle.

[@NyndeLOL]

Silly Cuckoo :D

[@gianlucacali2635]

FATALITY!

[@spacedrifter1004]

wat?

[@truecuckoo]

Man it sounds afxwesome! That intro!

[@dqvid]

The bossa/lounge "happy birthday to you" over json edit is fucking priceless. Your grooves are breathtaking. Your OP-fu is humbling. Pure joy!

[@ThinkerThunker]

The MPC One works flawlessly sending or receiving midi from the BS II, or any other synth that I've tried. No special setup, just run a MIDI cable, pick your channel and you're done.

[@FernandoDCDuarte]

Loved all your BS2 videos! I've just ordered the Limited Edition AFK BS2... Can't wait to get my hands on it!

[@OscillatorSink]

The OP-Z looks like such a Q-T next to the big brute Bass Station 2 😍

[@zamplify]

That AFX mode is a game changer for the Bass Station II.

[@drstupid1]

Great video. Not many decent videos using afx mode but this is great. I know you had issues but mate i couldn't hear anything bad going on! Brilliant stuff

[@JoshBrand]

red means JsonFormatError

[@willinwoods]

Wickeeeed! Man, that op-z is full of control powers.

[@gregonater]

I wonder if further updates will make it is easier to sequence external gear with less issues. I don't have an OP-Z, or much gear that I could even sequence, but the idea of sequencing external gear with the OP-Z is super attractive to me as it seems INCREDIBLY fun to use punch in effects from the OP-Z in a set.

[@gregonater]

ecmhands Did you watch the video? Lol I mean without having to use JSON if there was full control in the app.

[@wurlinnawurl]

@@gregonater you don't normally need to do all this.. is just because he is using this afx mode and switching channels, if you just set the synth to the opz midi channel you want it to play your golden. This is much more deeper stuff he is doing.

[@gregonater]

the spirit and kja Maybe I should have worded my comment better. The point is, there is functionality and controls in the OP-Z that aren’t available through the UI so it would be nice if it was implemented in a nicer way and it seems as if this would be very possible.

[@wurlinnawurl]

@@gregonater oh I see, yes I agree, it's really a but rediculous they expect us to go in the code to make some fairly basic changes.

[@eamas0]

This is insane-ly good :D Great video again!

[@atomboyd]

@Jeremy my guess is that BSII is sending to channel 0 or omni? Check out Page 21 of BSii manual www.analoguehaven.com/novation/bassstationii/usersguide.pdf shows that the mod wheel is sending NRPN instead of cc's too actually. Rabbit hole!

[@RedMeansRecording]

ahhhh good tip!

[@MrMcNizzle]

i would love to see more content with the bass station ii - cheers

[@RedMeansRecording]

i have some coming :)

[@jerem680]

One of your best groove 👍👍👍👍

[@Faldrian]

Wow, that sounds great! Also nice that you can use the synth remote controlled by your programmed tracks in op-z :)

[@melissamairon]

Thanks to this video, I realized how much I really love music! And I want to do it! Thank! 🇷🇺

[@MichaalHell]

Great vid Jeremy. Definetly got thinking about getting a bassstation. About your problem. Have you tried turning of midi for that track? On the module track, press shift + track. A track that is lit will send and receive midi and a track that is not lit will not.

[@RedMeansRecording]

i haven't good idea also, wait until superbooth. there may be a new bass station.

[@maxtox3]

@@RedMeansRecording But novation is famous not for the release of new products, but for the support of the already released products :)

[@rocketsciencemusic5398]

@@maxtox3 idk, they've updated the current bass station a lot recently but I'm sure these are either feature tests or to add hype around the bass station. it's an old synth that, I'm sure, could be improved in many ways. Might take some stuff from the peak too. which would be nice.

[@MichaalHell]

Just to iterate on your problem. I think what is happening is that bassstation is sending midi data on channel 1. OP-Z midi in is fixed on channel 1-16, so kick track is channel 1 and video track is 16. Midi cc’s are fixed at 1-16. So midi cc 1 is synth param1/pitch (on drum tracks) and 16 is volume.

[@jimspectre]

is multiple usb-c variants needed to get midi i/o? usb-c to usb mini-b for op-1, usb-c to usb3/2, usb-c to osb-c to usb type b? op-z usb-c to usb does not seem to work with type B adapter that bs2 need

[@Andonchoto]

Its not about sounding like Afx, its about using the tools to export Your vision as Yourself.

[@brushsuka]

Great little set up well done . Must be good to have Brains

[@kyohk1]

I've had similar instances with dealing with other hardware I have interconnected. I had a little DIY FM synth that would reset all the values of the arp every time I would hit play and it was so maddening. Took some manual diving and a ton of reading on how the cc and NRPN systems worked but eventually found a menu that I could turn off cc received and voila I could finally record those delicious arps in my DAW. I guess the play function was sending a secret cc message to my synth causing its arp to take a dump. Sorry, I know it doesn't help just relating with the struggle. Awesome little hack for that IDM sound, and only the best in luck cracking the code.

[@yannih682]

I'm curious if the Bass Station has some CC controls that are set to Channel 1 by default. I have a Nektar Impact Keyboard and found that the knobs were trying to control CC because it had like defaulting mapping to it. I had to read into the manual a bit more to realize that I needed to alter the channel it was sending to. Basically the Nektar keyboard immediately wanted to control Channel one when plugging it in, even though the OPZ had already been configured to not do that >,> Not sure if this is what may have been happening with the knobs controlling the kick track

[@mattstaples]

The OPZ has so much going on! With regards to the Bass Station midi output is there not a setting on that to prevent any MIDI or CC messages being output via USB?

[@truecuckoo]

Matt Staples Yeah should be something.

[@inventanew]

the performance was sick

[@FuZZbaLLbee]

Can this can be done with the Novation monostation? I know the monostation can swap a patch per sequence step in the device it self

[@RedMeansRecording]

Yes the monostation just does this

[@Benlyrical]

Brilliant tutorials I understand all except how you left the cc settings and channel numbers in app I can see what's highlighted in transport but you kind off tale off what you left the settings in op z app manythanks

[@austinbru]

Omg the .json fix was fucking EPICCCCCC - I could not for the life of me figure out how to stop the OP-Z program changing my BSII

[@RedMeansRecording]

yay, glad we worked it out!

[@lucaschwarz6996]

Hey man! Can you point out why digitale was not capable to do this? I don’t own one but I am curious why this could not be covered by it. Would be so cool to know :)

[@n4nyhwwnv327]

It's very good. Sorry for a bit dumb question. but how do you think. Is it possible for no only OP Z and Novation Bass station to do this kind of sequencing thing but for OP Z and Afx Station(it was released not so long ago)too? Since they both( Bass Station II and Afx station) are released by novation. I'm newbee to a world of synth sequencing. All you do in this video is relatively simple, yet it is really cool to know for sure. Because if it's really simple then it's good idea to use this setup for making music of course. Thanks in advance, Great job, really.

[@NikTheDusky]

For those weird MIDI problems controlling stuff you don't want to be controlled you could try to monitor the raw MIDI data with an application like MIDI-OX (which is stone old and Windows only, oof (but still works perfectly fine)) or Renoise's MIDI monitor. This will give you at least a hindsight of what is happening under the hood as you can see every single command that is being sent and maybe you could figure out if it's some option on the side of the Bass Station that you have to disable or if it's just a bug in the OP-Z firmware.

[@CrisBlyth]

Awesome !! @9.34 it sounds like 'Pop Music' by M :)

[@mondriantestpattern2613]

SO much yes dude!!!!

[@casinomann]

I'm trying to set up my Mikrokorg with my OP-Z, but I'm not sure if I need to change settings or anything. Should I be able to both play the OPZ synths on the MK and sequence the MK sounds on the OPZ?

[@RedMeansRecording]

I think so. Check out the guides on the TE website for info.

[@znxster]

EPIC RAP BA... wait :-) You recommended a couple of channels a while back, one of which was "hicut cake", were you get "recipes", all the right ingredients to make a cake. Reminded me a lot of what they do but you added in the cooking notes

[@RedMeansRecording]

WHO ONE WHOS NEXT

[@joephray2652]

Always a treat! 👍👍

[@LFOVCF]

Stunning sequence! Guess what I'm doing this afternoon? Haha

[@jean-pierrejoubert6140]

About the problem, did you try looking in the other JSON files to see if there’s some errant MIDI setting? It’s a long shot, but maybe?

[@bigcrunch1971]

Cool vid. Still think tthe OP1 looks easier to use. I am new tho.

[@sfxElrick]

@red means recording: regarding the problem with the drum track receiving cc parameter change (P1 and volume in your example), do you have the same problem when using the OP-Z without the app ? i experienced similar problem when using op-z as midi master while using the app. It seem the op-z is confused at some point because you have the app controlling it and the device should act as master for your other devices at the same time. I don't know if i'm clear. Maybe your synth also send midi messages ?

[@sfxElrick]

you may also connect the OP-Z and your synth to your computer and use MIDI patch bay to route the op-z to your synth, the point is to be able to catch midi messages with MIDI Monitor (for example) to see what's happen.

[@RedMeansRecording]

honestly, the whole point here was avoiding the computer. i'm not sure about the issue with the app, that's in an interesting idea.

[@sfxElrick]

@@RedMeansRecording yes of course, but in that case you have a strange behaviour, so the computer is just used for debugging purpose.

[@dammers89]

I've had the same issue with midi whilst using the app at the same time. Frustratingly the control track midi settings aren't that clear, but turning off midi in the control track fixed the issue for me!

[@BigBadWolf..............]

Red means musical beeps and blops.

[@JeffCfreeradiorevolution]

So does Teenage Engineering 😂

[@florianinside5666]

Hello Jeremy, where did that Pad-Sound come from, beginning at 9:30? I can‘t believe everything came right out the BSII 🤯 P.S.: Awesome usage of AFX-Mode 😏

[@night_speed]

I still don't understand how this works. If each key is a different patch how are you able to get any kind of a decent melody?

[@nonfungibletrauma]

Sounding kinda LFO more than AFX. Awesome!!

[@midierror]

totally frikkin badass from 0.00000001 seconds onwards

[@Alkatross]

I thought that JSON was pretty glamorous.

[@1db1db1db]

i just got a mother 32 so ive been sequencing it with an op-z. at first i was getting problems with the kick track's midi going to it because it was channel 1. an easy fix, or so i thought at the time, was to move all the kick samples to the FX track and use them there because personally im not into using music/ samples (id rather make them myself). yesterday i thought about maybe just changing the midi channels but this made me realize that wouldnt be easier than what i did lol edit: sequencing not sewencing 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@feteti]

the best move is probably just changing the mother's midi receive channel to one of 5-8 (the OPZ synth channel tracks). I'm using the OPZ to sequence 4 separate hardware synths on the 4 synth tracks and that works like a charm

[@1db1db1db]

​@@fetetiyou can use the module track as a straight midi out too! so maybe you could use one of those synth tracks just for the op-z

[@kbcarte420]

Octocat is starting to make sense. You have a background in code?

[@RedMeansRecording]

Only slightly. Never really professionally.

[@kbcarte420]

@@RedMeansRecording Not to pry, but what's your experience with it? Also, love your vids. Still kinda partial to the OG OP-1 edits though.

[@CrisBlyth]

holy shit, that was really amazing.. :).. why did it end.. :(

[@night_speed]

Did you say "grapes" instead of great at one point? I do that all the time, thought I was the only one.

[@Rooftopaccessorizer]

Now the bass station is gonna go up in price hahah

[@RevoltronTV]

Sequencer + Bass Station II = Circuit Monostation, no?

[@drstupid1]

No afx mode on mono station though

[@RedMeansRecording]

no, but you can change patches per step, which is kinda the same.

[@houmangf]

And don't forget about 2 lfos and 2 envs and sub and noise osc!

[@G3Dem]

Yes!

[@punctkomma]

Great, now I need to buy a Bass Station...

[@cemolcay]

god! op-z is pretty hackable, sweet!

[@dwilliams4142]

Hard to stay in my chair. So fun!

[@jasoncaldwell0613]

THATS TRUE!!!!!

[@kellymerrill5294]

All cool, but I’m still dumbfounded at the price of the OP-Z, TE lost my respect. That afx mode is genius!

[@HOLODECK-MUSIC-PROJECT]

Machine gun preacher 😜

[@yashoagadjani1179]

Early bird

[@Lurieh]

catches the earworm

[@ВладимирСергеев-ц6ч]

Give me gift please

[@BarnacleButtock]

Yeah but like is it 50% knowing what you're doing or just 25%