Batman's First Real Conversation with The Joker I Batman: The Winning Card comic dub

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

wow, and i came from a joker brainrot meme video and even there, he shares the same weakness as in this, he doesn't know how to handle not being considered funny

[@francisweller839]

Here, in this moment, they fundamentally cannot communicate because they perceive value through two different lenses. Batman is the epitome of what you do in the dark. Everything matters, including, and sometimes especially, what you do when you are alone. Your morality must be hard and true, totally unflinching in order for you to put yourself in the situation‘s. he does and not lose yourself (or at least that’s his worldview). Joker sees everything in terms of audience reaction. In order for something to be funny, there is the one who tells the joke, and the one who receives it, even in writing. In this short conversation he makes multiple references to an audience, to observers that they are performing for. Joker needs to be seen, not for some sense of ego (although that probably also plays apart), but because what you do in the dark doesn’t matter. He is solely concerned with challenging how other people see the world, imposing his own nihilistic view onto them, or using them as a prop to further his worldview. There are so many reasons why these two can’t have a diplomatic solution to their rivalry, but this is one of those reasons. Batman always speaks from a place of moral absolutism, that whatever your moral code is cannot shift one iota if people are watching or if you are alone, can never bend to an outside will in order to keep him moral in the face of such a harsh world. For Joker, what you do unseen is irrelevant. The harshness of the world isn’t a flaw to be fixed, it’s a point to be made, and you can’t make a point without other people to observe you, to make the point stick. Obviously there’s so much more going on here, but I always felt like this was a staunch underlying difference between them.

[@mittens-ghost-cat]

This is amazing