Battle Breakdown - The Expanse Season 6 Episode 5

[@solarpixiejournals]

I was bummed that Kirino led the strike, she was kinda cool. I decided to rewatch "Triple Point" S3E5... That totally makes sense now why she lead that strike. She told her Executive Officer, when he questioned her decision for sending the message to Souther. He reminded her it could get her charged with treason if sending the message turns out to be the wrong choice. She reminded him 74 ships are converging for a fight that is evenly matched and would likely kill them all, benefiting nobody. She said "War is an inherently unstable interaction of three things -intense emotion, politics and luck" that time she felt it would better to not fight the battle.She was risking her career. She knew the battle would be a stalemate. I am guessing this time she decided that it might get her killed, but if she is lucky it could end the war. Of course she is going to command the mission.

[@dragoninthewest1]

Remember that Ty Franck worked for George RR Martin at one point. Sometimes people just die

[@themc.kennyshow6585]

I agree. She seemed very competent, wise and someone to definitely have at Avasaralas side.

[@timhare9867]

With only one episode left I think this acted as a good send of to her character.

[@solarpixiejournals]

@@timhare9867 I think so too.

[@davegrenier1160]

She and Klaes Ashford were two of my favorite characters in the whole series. Both made terrific impressions of character with little air time. Kudos to the actors in those roles.

[@SAarumDoK]

That was quick ! RIP Sandrine Kirino, you will be missed.

[@devinthierault]

War is quick, especially for the heroes

[@petrowegynyolc7108]

...but not by the RSRGs for sure.

[@DreamerFromBeyond]

Her Family will live on as the Padishah Emperor, rulers of the Imperium and the Known Universe!

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Excellent analysis! RIP Admiral Kirino. Sharp mind, steeley courage, measured heart.

[@nomdeguerre7265]

Courageous, dedicated....and dead as a door-nail.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@nomdeguerre7265 Too soon, Pat. Too soon.

[@nomdeguerre7265]

@@AngeloBarovierSD Yes, the actress performance was lovely. But the series needed a quick and dramatic way to introduce the ring station rail guns and the character had no story arc in the texts…. When her lines went a bit one dimensional in 4 I figured she was dead.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@nomdeguerre7265 I mean, cool, but don't harsh my buzz, man.

[@Quadratical]

3:27 Furthermore, as is stated later in the episode by Holden, the ring station is known to react badly to nuclear torpedoes fired in its vicinity.

[@500Prozac]

The main reason hey used the Plasma warheads cause they cant use nukes, if they do the alien station will see that as a threat and might destroy the solar system

[@dark_ops1651]

Nice catch! I believe they say that later on i. the episode as well.

[@devinthierault]

Also Medina is way to valuable to get destroyed because of its design.

[@dark_ops1651]

@@devinthierault it is the most impressive ship ever built in the system after all.

[@thursdaythought7201]

@@devinthierault I don't think the UN/MCR care about that at this point. Winning the war is more important than saving Medina and the best way I can think of to win the war is mass torpedo Medina and the railguns. Of course the writers are more clever than me so I'll probably be proven wrong.

[@spacecadet2172]

@500Prozac False. The “security systems” of the ring station were all shut down by protomiller at the end of season 3. The ring station is completely inert now and does not respond to any kind of action in any way anymore.

[@chatterycasque9594]

It was badass to see the ships decelerating at such insane speeds as they turned inside the ring space.

[@spacecadet2172]

especially for martians, who are so weak against g forces compared to earthers. Only the strongest and best martian marines can even stand on the surface of earth without crying and throwing up.

[@will2brown50]

@@spacecadet2172 Martians aren't that adversely effected. The throwing up isn't due to gravity it's due to the alienness of an open sky. And martians overcome that fairly quickly once they live there. Draper overcomes it within a few minutes.

[@gpaje]

Martians taken out by their own intellectual designs, built by Ex-Martian Laconians, that's got to hurt. Luckily it was only 6 stealth ships and not their main fleet, but as mentioned, they should have sent a probe in first. Sucks that Kirino was leading the charge, I rather liked her.

[@Fulou]

4:40 I remember something along the lines of the behemoth actually being fitted, but they were pretty sure the mountings would tear the ship apart under fire so it was mostly for show.

[@OnYourSquare]

I love how the MCRN MISSILES pulled a "Tokyo Drift" to angle themselves toward the Ring Gate for entry.

[@krillnyetheshrimpguy6152]

You mean ships lol

[@OnYourSquare]

@@krillnyetheshrimpguy6152 No the missiles. The MCRN ships followed a swarm of MCRN missiles to the ring space. Approaching from the side, the missiles fired their drives, to draw fire and eventually destroy the station. The missiles that made it through, then hit a hard "Need for Speed", 90° turn to enter the ring, followed by the 4 MCRN ships. But the shot, shows the missiles hitting the turn, eventually followed the ship.

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

@@OnYourSquare Wut, no. They floated 8 torpedoes toward the ring to surprise the sentries and overwhelmed their PDCs. The missiles were closely followed by a Martian fleet of 6 ships which changed their vector to enter the ring in a maneuver called "Sick AF drift". Then they coasted headed toward Medina and asked for surrender but then Medina launched torps and the railguns fired several salvos. The Martians didn't get another salvo off as far as we could see. So there were only 8 torps in the beginning. None entered the ring.

[@OnYourSquare]

@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming Hey, you may be right. The Roci and the other Mickey Corvette class, are missile shaped. It may have simply been a ship. Still it was an awesome scene. Vin Diesel and the others would be proud to know, that 200 years in the future, the Tokyo Drift lives on.

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

@@OnYourSquare Ye, the scale of these ships is a bit hard to grasp in this scene. They are all as big or bigger than international passenger planes.

[@thomasmain5986]

I presume that only ships that are immediately outside the ring gate can be targeted by the rail guns. Anything inside the ring gates is dead meat, so perhaps a stealth recon drone might have been a good idea, to find out what was inside the ring gates.

[@dark_ops1651]

Or like a probe that could dip in and dip out very quickly

[@marvinamann4969]

In retrospect absolutely would have made sense. But given the tactical situation, it was an understandable decision to directly attack. They relied on the surprise effect, giving the enemy only seconds since first shots fired and being inside the ring ready to destroy medina. Sending a recon drone would have delayed the attack significantly, increasing warning time. Of course, with the railguns, the few seconds the free navy had even with this surprise attack was still sufficiant. But without the railguns, a recon mission would have given away an adventage.

[@thomasmain5986]

@@dark_ops1651 As the Martian and Earth Battleships protecting the Ring Gate were struck from behind by Medina Station, during the last battle at the Ring Gate. A little recon would have been a essential part of the plan, the martian commander had shown admirable caution, prior to this battle, then threw that all away with a rash attack, pretty much out of character for her, this is one thing The Expanse hates, inconsistent actions by the characters for the exigencies of the plot.

[@will2brown50]

@@deadline8416 They had no idea of the rail guns. They had no indication that Laconia was capable of building ships already, let alone producing the most powerful railguns ever built.

[@Seth90]

yeah... the lack of proper reconnaissance on part of the MCRN was really shocking to me... Just a perfect example of the importance of the 'Five Ps'

[@brooklyn560]

4:28 more like the ops knew any rail gun big enough to care about would wreck the power systems at best ( launching a torpedo shut the whole place down) or torn apart the station at worst (rail gun generate serious forces on a structure never meant to handle it)

[@TeslaAI]

You’d think they’d send a probe through the ring to get a little intel before doing a Leroy Jenkins.

[@dark_ops1651]

I thought that too, but somebody else said that with the intel that they had, it made more sense to just wing it so that they could use the element of surprise. Using a probe would have given them away much quicker.

[@ronin3381]

Too risky. If the Free Navy discovered the probe it might have tipped them off about the attack.

[@Draalnexa]

The use of plasma (and the boarding plan following it) was due to necessity. They didn't want to use nukes. Last time a nuke was detonated within the ring, sol almost got wiped out.

[@schnookiecakes]

You forgot to mention that you cannot fire a nuke torpedo inside the ring since the ring station prohibits it like on season 3.

[@dark_ops1651]

That’s correct! Another commenter made me realize that too. Nice catch 👍

[@themightyjagrafess8596]

I’m not sure that’s still the case, I thought miller lifted all restrictions

[@will2brown50]

Yeah that's no longer the case. In one of the later books the ring station gets hit by probably the most powerful weapon ever built and it doesn't do shit

[@jaffarebellion292]

@@will2brown50 But the characters don't know that. It's better to err on the side of "don't blow up the Sol system.

[@spacecadet2172]

4:25 it’s mentioned in the books that the engineering challenges of attaching railguns to the behemoth/medina were difficult to overcome. The behemoth was never designed to be a warship, and the powerful thrust caused by the railguns firing is very difficult to compensate for without both the proper drive and the proper structure of the ship to withstand the forces. When the belters experimented with railgun emplacements on the behemoth, in testing they were constantly just shorn right off the superstructure of the ship. The infinite inertia presented by the ring station provided a much better solution.

[@OceanHedgehog]

RIP Kirino, my favorite minor character.

[@dhinastark3610]

Nice to have one more good KZbinr cover expanse. Such an underrated show .. and this is so quick lol.. just watched the episode!!! Welcome to expanse FAM🔥❤️❤️❤️🤣

[@edbouhl3100]

“Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.”

[@dark_ops1651]

Unless it’s in the darkness 😉

[@Daiphiron]

in the Books the Behemoth was armed with torpedo bays and several railguns. However, they feared to use them because the ship would probably break from firing them. Sam removed them to enable the spin of the station once more ...

[@theobouvier1637]

Kinda neat seeing my render of the Heavy frigate in that fleet layout ! First time seeing it used in the wild... Also worth noting that, while the closest FN sentry was a Bashi Bazouk-type skiff, if you look closely, it seems that the second one was one of the stolen Heavies...

[@davisje011]

What it's like to try and raid when you're 20 levels low.

[@Obsidian-Nebula]

If You're saying They've been siting in those skiffs during the battle is it possible that They launched them and some are still alive ? Although there's just one episode instead of 10 so maybe there's no time for more story..

[@dark_ops1651]

I'd really like to think that. But I think that they are actually all dead :(

[@bureau31]

A small nitpick of this battle: How can 6 railguns take out 6 ships simultaneously when the guns are mounted on a sphere. I can't make it work geometrically.

[@Debbiebabe69]

railguns arnt 17th century 34 pounder long pieces that take a minute to load a shell... Light railguns (Rocinate) can fire more than one slug a second. Even heavy railguns have been shown (such as on the Donnagers) to only need a couple of seconds to reload.

[@Super_Tristan1005]

the heavy railguns are attached to medina/behemoth, you can see them facing forward on the ship/station on the lighter segments of the hull. they have a very restricted firing arc forward.

[@thedachmo]

Great video 👍 Nice to see some more decent Expanse content out there

[@marcc1830]

I am kind of surprise there is not a Donnager class ship with the strike fleet. Maybe they want a stealth fleet to strike Medina. Did they get damage at Ceres when the water tank exploded? In hindsight it's a good thing, those things don't grow on trees.

[@themc.kennyshow6585]

As well, the other ships are faster, more maneuverable and more inconspicuous. It seems like it was supposed to be a stealthy, surprise attack. Moreover, it would have given them a good insight into the firepower of the Free navy without putting such a HVT in the way.

[@dark_ops1651]

@@themc.kennyshow6585 Also, there may just not be enough Donnager class battleships to go around at this time. The inners are getting stretched pretty thin.

[@themc.kennyshow6585]

@@dark_ops1651 that's a fact. Mars haemd 9 Donna gers at the start of the UNvMCR war. The Dinnager herself already got destroyed by Protegen. I don't think a single Dinnager was lost during the war. But they did lose another one during S5 ep10.

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

@@themc.kennyshow6585 I think they did lose some donnagers during the war. They made new ones for S6 but I think they still have less than the starting 10.

[@florianN132]

Where does this Orion-Class Name for those heavy frigates come from?? I've read it several times now, BUT as far as I know, these haven't been officially named yet...

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

The battle was shorter than the video. Just one question were did you get the class of the heavy frigate all j have seen their class remains un identified. The medina has railguns, they are bolted to the outer Hull, just like the torpedo tubes,

[@dark_ops1651]

Yeah I searched for a while to find nothing. But I realized some youtube videos I was watching used the term “Orion Class” for the heavy frigate, and also a guy who made a minecraft model of the Heavy Frigate used the same term. I explained it a little bit in the intro of my other video which I suggest you check out 😄

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@@dark_ops1651 I did see the other video

[@Carnicemenatan]

What music do you use in this video?

[@philipbraun4644]

I'd like to know as well, sounds really awesome.

[@dark_ops1651]

I’m so glad you asked haha. The music is called “Dust” and I found it in this mix: kzbin.info/www/bejne/en7GZ2dnYtBseJo

[@Carnicemenatan]

@@dark_ops1651 Thank you very much ;)

[@jamesholden5065]

I like to think that her skiff detached from the ship and she survived

[@kedrednael]

The ring station is a static target with known location. They don't even have radar about what is going on outside the ring space. So shouldn't it be as easy as taking out a moon? Couldn't they just shower some bricks straight into the ring, that would hit the ring station. Surely relatively slow bricks won't damage or anger the ring station, but it could take out 4 or 5 of the 6 railguns.

[@kedrednael]

@@BaconShelf Yeah I mean they target the protomolecule ring station with the bricks. Could leave Medina unscaved.

[@raeivaj]

@@kedrednael remember that the ring station itself is somewhat sentient and responds aggressively against threats. It could easily vaporise the Sol system, as it almost did in season 3. Also, if the bricks are slow enough, they could get also be shattered by the 5 railguns.

[@kedrednael]

@@raeivaj Yeah I just read that the distance between the gates and ring station is 500,000km. That's further than between the earth and moon! So if the incoming bricks went only 1 km/s, (to minimize chances that sol system would be vaporized) then they would have six days to intercept the bricks.

[@raeivaj]

@@kedrednael I would say that the best option probably is a *gigantic* swarm of torpedoes, pointing them only to the cannons of the rail guns (to evade issues with the ring station) and it's done. However, to me it seems an incredible coincide that just in that very episode they also introduce a new kind of "super badass" armor.

[@JeroenDStout]

@@kedrednael The gigantic distance between the ring station and the gates adds to the question how effective those railguns could be, because even light takes over a second to travel that far, meaning ships flying there could randomise their trajectories and circumnavigate the centre in combat situations.

[@AdmiralSpaceballs]

i chose to believe Kirino is a play and a reference to house Corrino from Dune

[@a-skepticalman6984]

From my memory of the books, the Behemoth didn't have the rail-guns mounted as there was a problem with the power supply

[@PSC4.1]

The only way to snipe a rail gun is with well placed torpedoes using the same method as before shooting them off then activating them when they are close, the other way which is still quite dangerous is to get in close with another railgun and blow apart all of the railgun hardpoints which would be the hardest thing to do.

[@LeReVid]

Great video man! keep it up!, Any idea what is the theme song used on the background?

[@dark_ops1651]

Its called "Dust", and its found in this mix: kzbin.info/www/bejne/en7GZ2dnYtBseJo 😄

[@LeReVid]

@@dark_ops1651 awsome thanks!

[@notdeaded1416]

The rail guns were not Free Navy built. They came from Laconia. It’s in the books.

[@TestName286]

How long did laconia exist, and how long did it take to build one of these things? It seems like there's a big time gap that's just not explained in the show

[@notdeaded1416]

@@TestName286 the rail guns were fairly quick since the Laconians installed them, but we’re talking a year or two. . There is quite a bit of time from from the end of season five to the start of season 6 that passes fighting Inaros. With only 6 episodes they couldn’t really show the passage of time like in the books. Years will pass afterwards before the laconians emerge once again (spoilers).

[@Debbiebabe69]

Laconians = rebel Martians right?

[@jessc3007]

I'm generally a fan of the Expanse but I don't really enjoy this plot point much. Not even so much the martian defeat here, although that has it's issues, like 1. why didn't they scout and 2. why did they not dodge the rail gun rounds, whatever, we'll accept they were uncharacteristically incompetent and taken by surprise. However I'm kind of stumped as to how are these rail guns an effective defensive measure..? They're stationary. One could pop through the ring-gate with a fleet of rail gun armed ships, immediately fire at the station's guns, then either take evasive maneuvers or simply retreat through the ring. The rail guns on the station would then be destroyed by your barrage and are no longer an issue.

[@MrAnthonyDraft]

Didn't there were railguns installed, a probe was sent, since they did get a video feed, but were too focused on Medina. In the show, they say that the ring station in essence has infinite inertia, so it stays in the same place after each shot, which, presumably means fewer calculations and more shots can be taken, plus, multiple railguns can target one gate. I am sure the battle or prep for it was longer in the books, but the show... shows the main action that is taking place and the revelation of a new problem for the joint fleet. Also, there is this whole new revelation that a certain mass of travel threshold makes ships go *poof*

[@thegreatchimp]

It's better explained in the novel: -they're of super heavy calibre, so much more powerful even than what's on a Donnager. Possibly as heavy as the Orbital UNN guns. -They're mounted on an indestructible object. They would need to be hit directly to be destroyed -Any ships passing through the ring gates are temporarily bottlenecked, easily targeted

[@freelancenerd4804]

Good video! Thanks! I love this show and from the books I can’t figure where they are ending it……..?

[@thedachmo]

End of Book 6 (Babylon's Ashes), with a bit of the novella, Strange Dogs.

[@TheDude50447]

How they never picked up on the massive energy production needed to power these monstrous guns is beyond me. They should light up most sensor arrays like a christmas tree even when not charging or firing but just by running the reactors in a combat ready state like we saw.

[@Debbiebabe69]

not even Star Trek sensors can detect energy surges the other side of a friggin wormhole.....

[@TheDude50447]

@@Debbiebabe69 I was talking about after they entered the ring.

[@doxielain2231]

In the books, Laconians are crewing the rail guns

[@anekdoche7055]

imagine the expance as an mmo, amazing

[@thiennguyenba8001]

i don't see MCRN win any battle

[@zariumsheridan3488]

Even skinnies in mickey ships know how to dodge railgun slugs )) Dusters can't pilot their own ships. Well, except for Alex. but his ded... (in the show).

[@NeilsonBuntowa]

Right. MCRN are just so wasted.

[@ronin3381]

Because they only show us the battles that go wrong for them. Most of their victories happen off-screen.

[@dark_ops1651]

This is the sad reality.

[@tiberiuscodius5828]

Yeah it would have been nice to see some of their victories during the UN-MCR war. They were handily winning the war by the time it ended so we know they were doing well. In a small sense, the MCRN has fallen victim to the Worf effect, where they are defeated in order to emphasize the severe threat of their enemies. If it was the Nathan Hale that lost to the Protogen Stealth ships instead of the Donnie in S1, the Stealth ships wouldn't have seemed nearly as scary. The same is true here with the Laconian railguns

[@Telemaniakus]

I'd really like a PC game based on this movie, simulator or strategy similar to hommeworld...

[@dark_ops1651]

There's a great-looking game called 'Falling Frontier' coming out this year. You should check it out!

[@Telemaniakus]

@@dark_ops1651 yep,i waiting for...

[@purefoldnz3070]

How are they going to wrap up the entire series and alien subplot in one episode? lol

[@BradyJarvis]

Title should be S6E5 right? Keep it up, I like your videos.

[@dark_ops1651]

I had some problems and I had to re-upload haha. Nice to interact with some early viewers :D

[@graceiii1231]

SCHWAY SCHWAY

[@dark_ops1651]

I love you 🥺❤️

[@graceiii1231]

@@dark_ops1651 i love you more 🥺❤️

[@comicsgatekeeper9746]

This season definattly feels like the showrunners listened to the people who complained about last season being too slow with not enough action

[@Akcd11r2002]

This scene was really a let down. There is an automatic collision alarm from the ships computer, but no automated evasive maneuver from the MCRN ships that are full of advanced AI??? This would have gone down better if the MCRN ships had automatically dodged the rail gun rounds and managed to launch a MASSIVE amount of torpedoes at medina, which medina manged to defend against ALL of them with hundreds of PDCs/missiles (comparable to the donnager). Then the MCRN could have been taken out by a swarm attack from medina and the ring station railguns. Showing the MCRN ships automatically dodging railguns using their advanced AI would have also illustrated how terrible the belters were when the pella was chasing the Roci dodging by hand with manual controls.And showing medina able to defend itself from a massive attack would really be a game changer for belter tactics and capabilities. What we got was one of the most tactically cautious and forward thinking commanders in the sol system being used as cannon fodder... they really did a disservice to her character as far as im concerned.

[@jpeg-man]

If i understand correctly, the point of having bigger more powerful railguns in the expanse is mostly projectile speed. Once your projectile is fast enough, it becomes impossible to dodge until a certain range. More powerful railguns have a longer no-dodge range. The thing about those massive railguns is that they basically become impossible or very difficult to dodge while you are in ring space, and since you cannot see into the ring, it carries a large element of surprise. So basically you cannot effectively shoot at it from outside the ring, and the moment you get in the ring, you get vaporized. The big problem with this setup is that it cannot move at all, so you could target it with your own railguns and PDCs easily. However, id be careful about not hitting the ring station, that thing does not take kindly to getting attacked.

[@strykervalkyrion]

You can't dodge a ship mounted rail gun round within 1000km. These are giant rail guns which have even greater range. The ships can certainly dodge rail gun rounds as long as they are outside effective range but within the effective range the speed of the projectile is so fast that the moment the rail gun fires to the moment of impact is almost instantaneous. Even if the sensors could detect and try to dodge, the ship wouldn't accelerate fast enough with the gas thrusters to perform a roll. You're thinking in blockbuster soft sci-fi where the science is less important than the theatrics

[@JeroenDStout]

I absolutely agree. Its a good story beat but from a military pov it makes no real sense to me. It makes no sense that you'd fly in a straight line in a situation where you could be shot down; and the scene suggests that the station was seen firing 5 seconds before impacts started. I felt this was a scene where the shows normal sense of realism was suspended in order to make a cinematic moment happen.

[@Akcd11r2002]

@@JeroenDStout you bring up a good point, it would have made even more sense for the MCRN ships to have been zig zagging the whole time as soon as they broke through the other side of the ring. Had the rail guns STILL managed to take them out, well… that would be really saying something for the fire control systems on those rail guns. Either it was THAT good or Laconia had backdoor access to the flight control of the approaching MCRN strike group and could anticipate the algorithm. Imagine the scene afterward back in the xenobia when everyone is wondering if the belters managed to reverse engineer the MCRN AI or MAYBE there was something else or SOMEONE ELSE in play that was figuring out MCRN tech… So many ways this could have been made better, and it’s obvious that they are either losing or sacrificing their creativity as the dollar signs dry up due to the show ending…

[@JeroenDStout]

Yeah! I like all these options. Even the things people say like the railguns were unexpected while firing at higher frequencies and velocities are fair but the show doesn't raise these questions or shows how this plays out in the way it is shot. Like the stakes could directly on-screen be made higher; do these railguns have extremely good AI control so they predict evasive actions (as you say)? Is there a backdoor into the MCRN ships? Are they firing flachettes? Are they simply 100× faster than regular railguns? Or did the Martian ships get within CQB because they were about to launch drop pods (as this video suggests) and this lead to them not correctly analysing the system? They could even just have fired at Medina only to have all their missiles be effortlessly shot down by the railguns, which then started firing on them; with the Martians withdrawing as they realised they could not evade these shots for a long period of time. That'd make the situation tense, have some evasive actions, high-G juice shots, etc., and make the ring station clearly unapproachable unless risking direct death. Instead its just... Kirino kind-of forgot about the existence of railguns.

[@bambusbjorn3508]

well ... "Battle"

[@Szycha8412]

good clip

[@thegreatchimp]

I found the effects on this battle really poor. Especially when you compare it to the Donnagers rail guns smashing the stealth frigates in S1. Its also too fast. Probably rushed production.

[@NeilsonBuntowa]

Tsk. Such a wasted character. They could have her till the last episode with the full might of MCRN.

[@minjianglin9379]

The battle was rather fast. And if i didnt watch your video i would have missed a lot of details. Expanse space battles for seasons under Amazon just seem too fast you can hardly blink or miss something. I just feel its bad cinematography. I preferred how space battle was handled like in the ring station assault, where you get some close up shots of the action, so its obvious what is happening. Sure space battles are supposed to be fast, but you can still have closeups of different angles of the action at the same time, like zooming in on them to make it obvious the MCRN ships were taken out by rail gun slugs.

[@六工業のカービィ]

All of these factions are weak. In terra invicta we can see xenoscums using violet lasers, advanced alien magnetic rails and missiles mostly. Bullet PDs(point-defence) are garbage. If a lot of missiles are fired from a substantial distance, there's little hope for the target. Laser PDs can hit from very afar-off, also being able to slaughter all of this outdated stuff.