Battle of the Mini Calibers: 22 Mag / 22 TCM / 5.7x28 Review

[@dakotabob10]

I had a mini stroke which effected my right hand and I have become quite recoil sensitive. I have never shot 22 TCM but I love 5.7 x 28 mm and 22 magnum. I have PSA Rock 5.7, a Keltec PMR 30 and Walther WMP. I love shooting all three. I have found 22 magnum to be very reliable. If anybody reading this is recoil sensitive, I would highly recommend these rounds.

[@coreylanter874]

Psa is releasing a new series of dagger and rock compact and rock Modular’s like the dagger showed them on shot show

[@derictripp9245]

Try the smith $ wesson 5.7 it has almost no recoil for the power it transfers its a gas operated pistol plus if you have trouble pulling the slid back it's so much easier !

[@digitalpunk5365]

I’ve lost use of most of my left hand and the fiveseven is perfect for me

[@davidgoodnow269]

Something I was surprised Sootch did not mention is that if the three, the Rock Island .22 TCM is the only one that is really reloadable at home. The .22 WMR is a rimfire. There is a way to reload it, but most people don't know that method exists and the tool is not available except by ordering from a custom precision machine shop. The 5.7 FN operates at 50,000 p.s.i. and requires staked primers; that has to be done at the manufacturer and cannot be redone. The .22 TCM brass can be made, usually _is_ made, by necking down.223 Remington /5.56 brass. Bullets for it are easily available because it uses bullets intended for old varmint and small game cartridges of similar velocity, like the .218 Bee, Super Bee, and .221 Remington Fireball. Second point, while only Rock Island Armory makes factory pistols for the .22 TSM, they sell conversions for existing 1911 owners. There are barrel makers like Lake City that make custom barrels for other .45's, like Glock and Springfield XD-M. Also, there is a version of the .22 TCM, .22 TCM v.2, that fits in 9mm Luger magazines. Custom barrels for that are widely available for every common 9mm handgun. The difference is that with the shorter case and shorter overall length, it cannot load heavier 45- and 50-grain bullets like the full size, and it has a little bit less powder capacity so its velocity matches the 5.7 FN so those two are equal in performance.

[@jimschaefer9290]

@@davidgoodnow269…22tcm brass is not 9mm necked down….it is based on 5.56/223 brass.

[@riccochet704]

I would like to see 22 TCM in a PCC format with a 7-10" barrel. That fireball tells me there is a good bit of unburned powder being expelled and flashed off, which means there is room for velocity improvements with added barrel length. Wouldn't be surprised if it picked up 200-400 more FPS. All that being said, 5.7x28 may be gaining in popularity, but the cost of ammo isn't reflecting that. And it's not very good for defensive purposes. The reason it's used it in combat is for P90 platforms where sustained, controlled full auto use can put a lot of rounds on target quickly. And the NATO ammo, which isn't available on the civilian market, is hotter with penetrator tips. Which makes me write off 5.7 completely.

[@user-jetmachinist]

22 TCM is a beast !!

[@thewiseman6866]

Trying to find 22 TCM is hard, you could probably find an honest politician before you find 22 TCM Awesome video

[@sumakwelvictoria5635]

Nah. An honest politician is the rarest thing in the world! If any are found - they die early. Just like those african presidents that rejected covid vaccines!

[@Swampytheroot]

Amen

[@maxdangle1]

You ever heard of the internet?

[@davidgoodnow269]

*That's why it uses 9mm Luger brass. Anyone with a reloading press can neck fired 9mm brass down to make .22 TCM cases.* There's even a .22 TCM v.2 that is limited to 9mm Luger length--you could think of it as a 7.65 Luger necked down to 5.56--and custom barrels for that are widely available for a little more than $100. So if you already have a Glock, or an XD, or a S&W, firing 9mm and want to try .22 TCM, it's easy; buy a Lyman Hand Press and the case dies, a priming tool, and a powder scale, and you're set to begin for about $150 even if you've never reloaded before! R.I.A. sells the dies, I think they're made by RCBS. *Keep in mind, the .22 TCM and .22 TCM v.2 can be formed by the same dies, but the v.2 uses a shorter case and shorter overall length limiting it to 40-grain bullets and less powder. It's equal to the 5.7 FN, instead of the higher velocity you see in this video.*

[@herrcobblermachen]

I've never had a problem. All my local shops have it. During the pandemic it was a godsend bc no one else really has one. Was in my lgs this week and it was sitting out with the shotgun shells and not behind the counter with everything else. Had it in 50 and 100rd boxes, but it's like 50cent a shot so..

[@bluepunk182]

THIS is the video we've needed on these rounds. THANK YOU, Don!!!

[@bobhill3941]

Yes it was, very informative, I'd still go with .22 mag for availability and cost. (Both ammunition and guns)

[@thatsmytwocents4372]

Yes, thank you Sir !!!

[@lazybear236]

Not only is 22 TCM great, but it's cheaper than all 5.7.

[@sinclairpages]

I bought my first 22 TCM in both pistol and rile version, when they were fairly new. Love the round. I got my first 5.7x28 FN as a Secret Service trade in. Love it. Very accurate.

[@JimYeats]

The 22 TCM has so much more potential than the 5.7 for compatibility in lots of platforms as well as excellent performance and better reloading options.

[@johndeere1951a]

Thank you for showing respect to small caliber ✌️ Love .22wmr. Been shooting it since 1965, woodchuck hunting. Today I have Walther WMP and CZ 457 Lux .22wmr. Cracking round 💥☮️🇺🇲✌️

[@misterlarry5821]

My RIA single stack 9mm/22TCM combo 1911 is still the most fun to shoot and an absolute tack driver in both calibers. Time to buy some more 22TCM ammo! Thanks for the great video!

[@heyitsvonage2768]

thing is a LASER POINTER

[@atoperator1776]

Been running .22 mag for last 7 yrs and would bet my life on it but I'm a huge fan of 5.7 and RIA has the only TCM I've seen any way you sli e it their all great rounds and extremely effective

[@oldcynical2845]

Jurras(the majority of shooters have no idea they can thank him for developing the hallow point round) at supervel showed us the way 45+ yrs ago.A lighter bullet traveling at warp speed.

[@armedrebellion47]

I'm impressed with the 22 TCM

[@jbloun911]

💩🔥

[@jimschaefer9290]

I shot mine this weekend…EAA fs p conversion….functioned flawlessly….muzzle blast impressive.

[@jamesd1106]

I picked up a revolver that has a cylinder for 22lr and 22mag.. Love it!!

[@epps1217]

I like the 22mag in my 3" eight shot Taurus 942 revolver. It's fun. Just came across a RIA TCM, 17round commander. I couldn't say no!

[@jameshouck440]

This guy never disappoints with pure quality content, automatic thumbs, and God bless us all amen

[@sammyprestwood3182]

That TCM looks like it dose an amazing job I haven't seen any of those at Dunham's sports yet thanks for the video scooch

[@dustinpribble1546]

TCM has been around quite a while, if they don't have it they may not pick it up.... I'd suggest looking around. Cabelas has the ammo.... the only place I know to get the firearm is gun broker and like websites. They're +/-$750

[@dustinpribble1546]

The 22tcm 1911 originally came with a conversion kit to shoot 9mm or 22tcm also... something to look out for if u buy 1

[@davidgoodnow269]

If you already have a 1911, Rock Island Armory sells a .22 TCM conversion kit. If you have a Glock, Smith & Wesson, or Springfield XD, there are custom barrel makers like Lake City that sell conversion barrels. Make sure you know if you are buying a barrel for .22 TCM or for .22 TCM v.2 because the first is for .45 A.C.P. frames and the second is for 9mm Luger pistols! .22 TCM v.2 matches the 5.7 FN performance with the same bullet weights, at lower pressure. The original .22 TCM is significantly more powerful, intended to match the Chinese PLA 5.8×22 military pistol cartridge. Created for the Philippines Navy and Coast Guard, who get shot at by the Chinese military on the daily. [O.K., not on the daily _lately,_ but when the TCM was designed. Then again, it may still be happening since Duarte was succeeded by Marcos, Jr. and I'm just out of the loop.] Also . . . forgive the cut-and-paste from a different comment reply: Something I was surprised Sootch did not mention is that if the three, the Rock Island .22 TCM is the only one that is really reloadable at home. The .22 WMR is a rimfire. There is a way to reload it, but most people don't know that method exists and the tool is not available except by ordering from a custom precision machine shop. The 5.7 FN operates at 50,000 p.s.i. and requires staked primers; that has to be done at the manufacturer and cannot be redone. The .22 TCM brass can be made, usually _is_ made, by necking down 9mm Luger brass. Bullets for it are easily available because it uses bullets intended for old varmint and small game cartridges of similar velocity, like the .218 Bee, Super Bee, and .221 Remington Fireball. Second point, while only Rock Island Armory makes factory pistols for the .22 TSM, they sell conversions for existing 1911 owners. There are barrel makers like Lake City that make custom barrels for other .45's, like Glock and Springfield XD-M. Also, there is a version of the .22 TCM, .22 TCM v.2, that fits in 9mm Luger magazines. Custom barrels for that are widely available for every common 9mm handgun. The difference is that with the shorter case and shorter overall length, it cannot load heavier 45- and 50-grain bullets like the full size, and it has a little bit less powder capacity so its velocity matches the 5.7 FN so those two are equal in performance.

[@astroidother3609]

Mini dragon 22TCM is my winner all day long. Love that fireball

[@joehelvey5794]

First time I ever heard the report from that tcm round I was next to a guy at an indoor range and it was absolutely as loud if not louder than a 10" sbr in 5.56! It definitely turned so.e heads lol

[@Jaybird-oo3ih]

Like the expansion of the 5.7 round. Speer gold dot expands very well also out of a 16” barrel

[@bluepunk182]

I like all of those round, but prefer my 22 TCM for the option of the bolt action. It's ballistically similar to the 22 hornet out of the bolt action, and after I had my barrel free floated, I can get sub moa if I do my job...the trigger holds it back a bit, will likely try to lighten it up a bit.

[@Swampytheroot]

I have a Glock 19 with 22TCM & a PSA 5.7 They're both fireballs and ridiculously loud. They're also both fun and exceptionally effective for what they are.

[@ireallychosethisname]

just found your channel, love how analytical and data based your videos are. Very cool.

[@thereindeertherabbitthebat592]

🤘⚡22tcm baby!!!! Great video, thanks for sharing it 👍

[@wes326]

.22 Mag did better than I expected. Thanks for sharing.

[@tbjtbj4786]

The 22mag has been a popular hog hunting round in fl for years. Especially traped hogs. All most everyone i know that traps uses a 22 mag most in hand guns. I have been using the federal fmj load for over 30 years It works wonders out of a single6

[@wes326]

@@tbjtbj4786 I guy I knew in Florida used a .22 Mag rifle for hogs. Said he used to shoot them in the head or lower rib cage. We used to hunt near Kenansville, south of St Cloud.

[@tbjtbj4786]

@@wes326 i am up in the panhandle hunted alot near tates hell back when it was buckeye and around lake Seminole in Jackson County around the swamps on the fl side and on the little island in it and Apalachicola River. You would be surprised how many hogs get on the little island in those rivers

[@tbjtbj4786]

@@wes326 as far as the shots on the traped hogs head shots. I never had a problem with the fmj I would take a lung or heart shot on the lose ones. On those I like the 50gr hp But I really prefer a 45 colt or 44 for the ones running around

[@davidgoodnow269]

@@tbjtbj4786 Damn straight! A .22 rifle like the old Marlin and Winchester .22 WMR lever guns is a _fine_ walking-around rifle, especially if you leave enough room so you can load a CCI shotshell for snakes! But a _boar_ decides to eat your legs, you're going to want a 1911, Glock 20 or 21, and some spare magazines for his kin! Nice call!

[@davidfernandes920]

Interesting, I think the 5.7x28 is the option I would choose.

[@austin92789]

Thanks for another informative and entertaining video Sootch. Something about the look of that WMP and the fireballs from the .22 magnum just seems right! I’m also hoping the price of that 5.7x28 continues to drop!

[@joaopedrobaggio4475]

If i could choose only 2 semi-auto pistols to defend my life and my property, my choices would be the Beretta 92FS in 9x19mm and a Glock 21 in 45 ACP.

[@richardwaid4718]

Just wasted powder that’s not contributing to velocity- looks cooler a night😮

[@richardwaid4718]

The chronograph tells the story, the 22 TCM is clearly the most lethal of the ammunition tested. Maybe Sootch could get a box of Elite Ammunition T6B 5.7x28 and show his subscribers the real capabilities of the 5.7 currently going for $3 a rd. But just like the 460 Rowland these aren’t for plinking. I’ve shot them out of a FN57 and a PS90 and they’re no joke.

[@19Raven66]

I really appreciate all the time you put into it and I hope you get something out of it as much as I do, love watching your videos. Thank you.!!! and the bloopers are funny.

[@michaelmcmillan2776]

Golden age for sure so many offerings

[@Alfeco-dm7uk]

There are multiple bullet weights and manufacturers for each cartridge, however for this example we will compare the CCI Mini-Mag plated round nose for 22 LR and CCI Maxi-Mag jacketed hollow point (JHP) for 22 WMR, both firing a 40-grain bullet. For its size, the 22 LR has a very respectable muzzle velocity of 1,235 fps, however it simply cannot keep up with the larger and higher velocity 22 Magnum at 1,875 fps.

[@Giixxersquid]

The 22 magnum and the 5.7 did the best job at unloading its energy on the target in my opinion. Personally I would pick the Walther WMP over the 5.7. Love the fact that the low calibers are getting a lot more love these days. My friends always talk trash cause I love 22 so I loaded 2 backpacks with 5000 rounds 22lr and 45ACP and had them put each on and asked which they would rather carry in a SHTF event 😂

[@bobhill3941]

I was watching an episode of "sons of guns" sometime in the late 00s and they did an episode where they built a 3D printed clamshell of a FN P90 and put the guts of a 10/22 in it with bayonet and suppressor. They were inspired by Max Brooks' (son of Mel Brooks) book world war z and he shot it against a standard Armilite chambered in .556 against "zombies" and he chose the ".22 P90" for ease of use, no recoil, handling and-as you alluded to-ease of carrying a ton of ammo and it's availability. It was .22lr, but I think this still fits. I always associate the 5.7x28 with playing the first Splinter Cell on Nintendo GameCube because the FN FiveseveN was Sam Fisher's gun! Happy Easter. Forgotten Weapons did a video on an Armilite clone chambered for that caliber too.

[@sumakwelvictoria5635]

Masochists would love the 5000 rounds 45 acp. They will be moaning from point A to point B. I'd take the 22LR. Hahahahaha.

[@miketaylor5954]

I really like the 22 Mag I have a Walther WMP also have a Ruger LCRX in 22 mag & a Henry lever action 22 Mag , like the 9mm round lots of weapon options with just 2 calibers .

[@twp616]

I don't have experience with any of these rounds, other than the .22 Magnum. It is a great small game cartridge in either a rifle or a handgun. I have a Winchester 9422 rifle and a Ruger Single Six in .22 Magnum. Both have taken countless numbers of varmints and small game. Including even large hogs and coyotes.

[@bobhill3941]

Very impressive, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm glad you were satisfied.

[@philipgamboa6134]

Great. Nice to see you again🙏👍💪

[@jimchambers7548]

I've been saying it my entire life. Size doesn't matter if ya have a good tool😅. Great video 👍👍

[@JeffWard-jz1gr]

really enjoy your video , i notice you use many different types of hearing protection. i was wondering which of the earbud type you think gives you the best protection and also if you would consider doing a video on hearing protection in the future , its a very important part of safe shooting and since there are so many styles of hearing protection it might be helpful to all of us to give some thought to how we protect our hearing and what we recommend to new shooters

[@vortexx_dre]

Great review. Give me the FN 5.7 or Rugger 5.7 ANYDAY OVER THOSE OTHER ROUNDS!!!

[@9unslin9er]

Armscor needs to promote conversion barrels for the Glock 40 and 34. .22TCM and 9R respectively. I would buy one in a heartbeat. If Mec-Gar would make a steel mag with mag catch for Glocks, we would be looking at 20+ round capacity for either gun. Here's looking at you, KKM and LWD.

[@dans6387]

They have one now. July 2024

[@trevorsanchez2470]

Great informational video about these 3 calibers. Thankyou sir for posting this video. Now I really want a .22 TCM pistol lol. That’s a badsss round

[@mesauer]

One very nice attribute for the TCM is caliber versatility. My double stack RIA shoots 22 tcm, 9mm and 38 Super. I just added a Sig Sauer 1911 barrel ($39 plus link/pin). Drop in fit and RIA eats all three rounds!

[@reidboggs4344]

The main issue with it however is that Armscor doesn’t make one with threaded barrel options. Imagine putting a 5.56 cannon this.

[@davidgoodnow269]

Nice buy!

[@mesauer]

@@davidgoodnow269 I think CDNN still has the sig 38 super barrels, but they have increased in price to $49. These barrels WILL NOT fit regular 1911. They will fit most all the 1911s made for ramped barrel though. The 1911 also needs to have 9mm cut slide. I have a Para Ordnance 40 SW. I want to see if the 38 super barrel will work in a .40/10mm slide. It might. The 22 TCM is obnoxiously loud. Very similar to 30 carbine in a revolver. Double hearing protection required. I use amplified muffs over 29dB foam plugs.

[@davidgoodnow269]

@@mesauer Good point on ear protection! Thanks too for both tips, price and compatibility, on the barrel!

[@justinpennington7682]

Wish someone would make a modern 7.62x25

[@markyoung2981]

Thank you for your time and effort posting this very interesting information.

[@3wheelmannc860]

Good stuff. I still prefer the .22 Mag is still my fav and the price is much better. The Walther WMP has nailed it in semi-auto pistol imo. I really like the 5.7, but I just cannot pull the trigger due to the ammo prices...the best prices I have seen ammo is just under $30 for a box of 50 for plinking...sadness.

[@cocoloco2711]

Same here. Love everything I see about 5.7, but can't justify owning one due to high ammo prices.

[@mattdeaver6850]

I have a Ruger Fifty-Seven and absolutely love it, but I almost always shoot .22 instead. A full .22 magazine is the same price as one 5.7 round

[@Numb7989]

That TCM in the opening shots had a huge fireball, i wonder if it was in a rifle and had some more dwell time to get that projectile moving how much better it would perform.

[@Sensorium19]

Up toward 2800FPS out of rifle length barrels is what I have heard. Do not quote me, though.

[@ChrisG1392]

What's the point of that though? Might as well just go 5.56 at that point.

[@Numb7989]

@@ChrisG1392 people have been using 22lr forever \_( ‘-‘)_/ just was wondering is all

[@hakimcameldriver]

In a rifle length barrel a tcm is the equivalent of a 22k hornet. A 40gr at 2800-3000 fps. Wirks great on foxes for fur or other critters you would use a hornet on, it is easier to reload than a hornet as you can cut down 223 brass to make it..

[@sumakwelvictoria5635]

@@ChrisG1392 22 tcm lighter than 5.56mm still. And although not designed for intermediate ranges - saw a guy hit a rabbit or something 350 yards not meters with just iron sights if I remember correctly.

[@timsmith9645]

Awesome video thanks for sharing sootch00

[@64samsky]

All of my 22 revolvers that have 22 Magnum conversion cylinders are now set up with the 22 Mag. 22 long rifle in a pistol does not have enough oomph for me.

[@Codevil.]

Hell yea bud ! I do 22tcm9R conversion in G117

[@garysnyder6020]

I'll stay with the .22 magnum ,thank you.

[@onlyfords69]

Love my 22TCM

[@Tennessee_est1983]

I love my 22 magnums! Thanks for another great video! Keep up the great work!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@kolejohnson73]

I've owned them all, the tcm is my favorite reloadable small caliber. 22 mag is great but gotten very expensive.

[@JoeYT23]

👍 22 TCM...

[@wizkaqueefa9003]

​@@PhilJLF Still, .22 TCM max loads reach 200+ FPS higher velocity than the fastest 5.7x28. 40gr .22TCM reach 2,800 FPS out of 16" carbine, a 16" brl 5.7x28 =2,450-2,500 FPS

[@davidkloss2883]

​@@PhilJLFbasic loads, 1:1 the TCM beats it. Armscor only makes the 1 basic load for the TCM. If another company worked the load hotter then you could compare different rounds.

[@JohnnyBravo02]

@@wizkaqueefa9003you’re talking about FPS but not other and arguably more important factors like expansion

[@harrycallahan5112]

​@wizkaqueefa9003 he's talkin REAL 5.7 loads and wicked bullet design as in like elite ammo and vanguard not the watered down overpriced crap on shelves .. Which elite has a few that are 2400 fps out of a pistol ...now throw that in same 16" barrel

[@harrycallahan5112]

​@@davidkloss2883and yet not 1 other load exists for the tcm...tcm hasn't even natod ..youd think other countries would be investing in the development of tcm loading and design ...hmm

[@williamobrien6340]

Thanks for another great video. I'm wondering if some people are going to wonder if that is a high-velocity blacktip that looks like the 5.56 black tip I wonder what's inside of that fiocchi

[@mattdeaver6850]

The SS190 " Black Tip" Projectile is designated as Armor Piercing (AP) ammunition, designed to penetrate body armor. The SS190 bullet has a steel penetrator and an aluminum core.

[@bobjones-bt9bh]

these necked calibers are the bomb. 357 Sig as well if you want it a bit heavier. TCM tho seems like a true killer

[@randallscott-key802]

Armscor makes .22TCM9R conversion barrels for both Glock 17 and 19 with RSA. They also sell the entire .22TCM9R top end conversion for the G17. They're still selling the MAPP FS and MS conversion barrels - .22TCM9R, and the FS version is a near drop-in fit to the CZ75B steel frame! Do a search, you'll find it!

[@ronarmstrong8935]

I’ve been looking for any of these. I can’t find them anywhere

[@147CombatMedic]

Looks like I need to add TCM to my collection someday... 🤔

[@mitchculpepper738]

The 22 TCM uses necked down 9mm brass. This makes it the most affordable way to get 2,000+ fps out of a 5” barrel. The muzzle blast is only matched by its performance!

[@lazybear236]

No. It's derived from 223 not 9mm. Ask RIA.

[@terrell48]

Rock Island also makes a 1911 in 22 mag called the XT model, its a great pistol, I have one, in addition there are other types of 22 WMR ammo including tipped ones that might give you better performance than what you used. There also was a bolt action tifle a couple years back in that 22 TCM cartridge I thought of buying and wish I had but not sure if any being made any longer.

[@user-xk5so7wb2t]

love 5.7 the 3' flame coming out of the barrel is past Crazy!

[@drumhailer547]

All very effective rounds 🎉

[@kiloindiadelta]

What I want is a 22TCM conversion kits for PCCs. Imagine shooting that round on an 8" CMMG Banshee or the likes.

[@AndyViant]

22 mag was the only one without a hollow point, given the lead soft point on the 22 tcm and the nylon tip on the 5.7. Given the range of ammo available for the 22 mag something more suitable for defence would give a much better wound channel and higher velocity. The extra shards from the 22 mag could potentially do extra damage, but less hydrostatic shock. It's great to see more 5.7 coming on to the market and I hope they come back into fashion for bolt action varmint rifles.

[@jamesd4013]

Love my PSA Rock Great video

[@JesterJocular]

And Tisas has a 5.7 pistol on the way as well. I love my Rock and WMP!

[@sumakwelvictoria5635]

I know 22 tcm is not designed for intermediate ranges but I would like intermediate range comparison with the three. 5.7 is reputed to be good at 200 and more. 22 mag I don't know how far it can go but there are rifles that use it so it definitely has some capability. 22 tcm. Found one guy on youtube that hit a rabbit or something 350 yards away. And he just used the iron sights.

[@dandyjones1185]

Thank you! Now, if we can get a modern pistol that fires a .30 Carbine cartridge...

[@Stribog1337]

This review ought to be good, I’m at the video’s start still. 22 magnum was really unworthy in my country, because there were few models that used it, and all the ammo was imported. Sadly, I was interested in it. Early this year,because of the newly elected Gungrabbist in chief, people just stopped giving a damn to this caliber, and it seems like it vanished from the market (plus imports were suspended iirc). Then they started manufacturing the 22mag nationally, now it’s a thing again and I’m very interested 😂 Ok let’s watch the video

[@JimYeats]

I just purchased the BCA 22 Mag upper in 10.5”. Waiting for it to come in the mail.

[@henrychang3153]

22tcm flies 200 fps more than a 5.7but i hope that RIA will produce a solid tip as an option to the soft hallow point .

[@PeeJayBrownJr]

Great info and review!

[@paulpetty3331]

Great review as always.....

[@jamesrowe7538]

I haven't read any comments yet. The 40 gr 5.7 is target practice only imo. Use the 27 gr for protection!. They go upwards of 2300fps and tumble like a nightmare. The jhp's will create a 5 inch tunnel internally...pure nastiness. These rounds are harder to find but worth it in a situation

[@kirkchartier7141]

**An excellent review Sir!!! **one thing that would have made it better is if you would have listed the bullets the velocities, and penetration on a chart. **Smith & Wesson also makes a 22 magnum as well as their 5.7 **The 22 TCM 9R has a Glock conversion which includes a lighter weight slide. **Ruger also has a 5.7 and somebody else brought out one that I can't remember who it is right off the top of my head, **Can't remember if it's Rock Island or PSA

[@jdk_360]

22 tcm has the least options but is arguably the best. I really don’t want a Rock Island 1911 in that caliber. I wish we had other choices.

[@bobbreit5244]

That TCM sure has a different crackle to it. It sounds like it means business

[@InexorWoW]

5.7x28mm vs 9mm is coming down to a similar argument between 5.56 and 7.62 Nato. I imagine the same arguments were levied when 5.56 came out in the civilian market as "not as powerful but still capable, more capacity, lower recoil, lighter, etc".

[@fishersofmen4727]

more like 5.56 vs 7.62x39

[@dans6387]

One thing I would have liked to hear is how each gun platform felt in the hand. Many folks say that the 5.7 grip is very long for a small hand. Whereas the 1911 is a standard size if you're already used to that frame size. My hand, for example, wraps around a Beretta 92 like it was molded for my hand. A 1911 feels narrow and squarish but I still like the platform. Wondering what others feel about that.

[@einarhornraiser9019]

I'd do a thoroughly embarrassing happy dance if I found 9x19 for 20 cents per round! I'm in Georgia and .36 - .39 cpr is still about the best you're gonna find for 9mm around here.

[@AllTheDips]

I just bought 9mm for 22 cents a round x1000… the internet is your friend

[@einarhornraiser9019]

@@AllTheDips May I ask where from? And what was the shipping like?

[@davidgoodnow269]

Something I was surprised Sootch did not mention is that of the three, the Rock Island .22 TCM is the only one that is really reloadable at home. The .22 WMR is a rimfire. There is a way to reload it, but most people don't know that method exists and the tool is not available except by ordering from a custom precision machine shop. The 5.7 FN operates at 50,000 p.s.i. and requires staked primers; that has to be done at the manufacturer and cannot be redone. The .22 TCM brass can be made, usually _is_ made, by necking down 9mm Luger brass. Bullets for it are easily available because it uses bullets intended for old varmint and small game cartridges of similar velocity, like the .218 Bee, Super Bee, and .221 Remington Fireball. Second point, while only Rock Island Armory makes factory pistols for the .22 TSM, they sell conversions for existing 1911 owners. There are barrel makers like Lake City that make custom barrels for other .45's, like Glock and Springfield XD-M. Also, there is a version of the .22 TCM, .22 TCM v.2, that fits in 9mm Luger magazines. Custom barrels for that are widely available for every common 9mm handgun. The difference is that with the shorter case and shorter overall length, it cannot load heavier 45- and 50-grain bullets like the full size, and it has a little bit less powder capacity so its velocity matches the 5.7 FN so those two are equal in performance.

[@randallscott-key802]

I wish someone had told me the 5.7 can't be hand loaded before I spent the last decade doing just that. I've loaded thousands of rounds, using every kind and weight of bullet - 27gr. FN pulls, AE 40gr. pulls, Vmax blue tips from Midway, Barnes TSX 45gr. all copper, 30gr. and .36gr. varmint grenades, hornady and Nosler 35 and 40 grain poly tip, Speer 40gr. SP, Speer 33gr JHP, NTX 35 gr. - now being loaded by Fiocchi. Gee....if I had but known I couldn't load 5.7 I wouldn't have wasted all those years doing it! The only rounds with staked primers is the SS198LF, and I've pulled those and bumped them up 200 fps over stock, and done exactly the same using SS195LF 27gr. pulls without staked primers. Never, ever had a primer back out, even pushing 45gr. Barnes at 1,900fps, and Vmax 40 gr. at 2,060fps.

[@davidgoodnow269]

@@randallscott-key802 That's much better than the information I've read in handloading forums. I know it _can_ be handloaded, but everything I've read says pressure in handloads has to be kept 5,000 below factory. So, factory loads can be reached out close in pistols by better choice of powder; to exceed them required the expense of purchasing factory ammunition, pulling the bullet, dumping the powder, and working your own load up--once per case! Too much trouble, compared with other options like the .22 TCM and .22 Reed Express, unless you already own a 5.7 pistol and just want to try to better factory load performance. Just out of curiosity, what kind of case life do you get?

[@FocusedHands]

5.7 is what id go with!

[@MrScar665]

I would love to see how 7.62x25 holds up to these cartriges. I believe it can still stand it's ground

[@Starcraft98marine]

Need more companies making it. It is a favorite of mine but unfortunately doesn’t have a lot of firearms for my taste

[@gmac8852]

Would love a shield in that caliber

[@MrScar665]

@@Starcraft98marine I shot m57 few weeks ago. That thing goes fast

[@MrScar665]

@@gmac8852 I would love a modern polymer doublestack 7.62x25 hammer fired pistol. There is still surpluss of those rounds in eastern bloc

[@gmac8852]

@@MrScar665 That round deserves some modern pistols. I believe that it would have probably cut down the number of newer rounds if more people would have gotten to know it.

[@Jake-Jake]

besides the high price of the TCM and the 57 ammo, but try finding any locally, hens teeth, that's why I went with the walther and the 22 mag, cost and availability...poorman's 57 x 28...I think the 57's downfall was that they kept the ammo propriety for too long

[@onelineshirtcompany9754]

Thanks for the great videos

[@jackconway4692]

I like them all and will look 👀 to collect ❤

[@mikereese15]

I wish 9mm was .20/round around here. Even online with shipping its much more. Great comparison Sootch

[@maxxmartini]

Great informative video....

[@evolution2k6]

Good review! I really like the 22TCM round however it jammed way too much on the 1911 so I just couldn't trust any longer. It was fun to shoot (when it wasn't jamming).

[@sumakwelvictoria5635]

Gun probably wasn't fired past break in period. If you still have the gun. Fire above 600 rounds from it. If it still jams - then it is the firearm. Call customer service.

[@davidgoodnow269]

Hell, I'd call R.I.A. customer service now! I have three friends who shoot .22 TCM, no complaints from any of them! The bottle-neck case prevents most jams common to 1911's, just like 7.62 Tokarev when you convert to that from .38 Super! Are you limp-wristing your pistol? That causes the grip safety to interfere and jam all the time, except with light-weight .45's like the aluminum-frame Officer's Model. I'm the only person I know that cannot get through five rounds from a Ruger Mark II without a jam, too!

[@MichaelRobibaro]

Needs different extractor spring

[@TheMcpvideo]

I have a 22 Magnum and 5.7 would definitely like to get a 22 TCM👍

[@victorjohnson7512]

I wish TCM-22 came with a 50gr fmj. CCI makes a 50gr fmj in 22 WMR.

[@jeremymcauliff8485]

Just snagged a WMP. No doubt it's less powerful when compared to .22 TCM and 5.7x28. It's also a fraction of the cost per round.

[@Sensorium19]

Not relevant for most people's interest, but since 5.7 civilian legal ammo has been downloaded so much, the 22 tcm is the only one of these rounds that consistently penetrates III3 armor. The 5.7 will work vs. some IIIA armors, but differences in manufacturing make it very inconsistent in results. If you get below a 5" barrel none of them will penetrate consistently, mind you.

[@jamesrowe7538]

Which is why you buy the 27gr 5.7 and bypass the 40gr. These penetrate so well they're illegal in some nato countries such as Australia

[@derictripp9245]

It almost seam the second shot that went threw both blocks from the camera it looks as if it could have traveled a small part of the other cavity! I'd feel I'd rather see this done with fresh blocks for each shot but I'm sure it would get expensive to do so !

[@dominickypon9957]

I believe Glock has a 22tcm conversion kit for the 19. In the future i plan to get the 22tcm bolt rifle and the 22tcm 1911 as it is also comes with a 9mm barrel. Maybe even the Glock19 with tcm kit.

[@poppinc8145]

2:20 No, the 5.7x28mm isn't used by 40 countries yet because NATO only just adopted it in March 2021. That's partly why so many companies have been making guns for it recently. It's going to take time before most NATO members and others adopt it.

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

The 5.7x28mm cartridge is over 30 years old and has been used by over 40 countries. That doesn't mean that it is a major cartridge in any of these countries. The FN P90 has been typically used by specialized security forces, like the Secret Service in the US or the Policia Federal in Mexico. What is false is that "it has been used in combat in over 40 countries". It simply has not. 5.7x28mm has been used in very few conflicts and not as a major cartridge. For example, the P90 has been used in the Libyan civil war, as Muammar Gaddafi's military forces had them and the anti-Gaddafi forced captured them. However, the AK-47 was still their main rifle.

[@poppinc8145]

@@charliefoxtrot5001 Although there's been many nations that have used the P90 over the decades, I still don't buy that it's anywhere near 40 countries. It was a niche round that just began its journey to be mainstream in 2021 when became STANAG.

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

@@poppinc8145 This one says 43 countries: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90. And, yes, 5.7x28mm is a niche round that isn't going anywhere.

[@badas45]

Very cool

[@Jorge-hj2tp]

Great video, sootch00! Could you make a video of the 5.7 ×28 vs 7.62 ×25 next? I just think those 2 wildcat rounds are interesting since they can both penatratesome some levels of body armor. Thank you.

[@signsofthetimes6451]

I miss my 22 tcm .. I wish I never sold it

[@lindgruen3118]

Muzzle flash galore.

[@ginjabrad]

Great video, Definitely need to compare the 7.5 FK Brno next tho

[@iowa_lot_to_travel9471]

1600 dollars for the polymer version and 40 s&w or 10mm conversion. 7500 for the metal version

[@d30gaijin]

The silliness of people pushing the .22TCM. It's a dead cartridge but some folks just don't know it yet.