Battleborn to blunderborn

[@matman000000]

"From the makers of Borderlands"? I guess "from the makers of Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines" just doesn't have the same flair.

[@vintendio]

Because obviously that's the same team development *facepalm*

[@sinjunmorris701]

Even at 700+ this is an underrated comment.

[@XenittX]

I like duke nukem forever :(

[@yinbrown6212]

Vintendo It’s bc those games were shit lmao

[@ayush112000]

gearbox used the funds they got for aliens colonial marines to fund the development of borderlands 2

[@TheCalComics]

And today the servers went offline. Just like its birth, it died without even a whisper from the world. Rest easy, Battleborn. Your failures end here.

[@Jim90117]

Literally learned of its existence today, jeez. F

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

I’m glad it’s gone

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

Finally, it's suffering ends.

[@francismakoni1526]

F

[@InVinoVeratas]

I spit on its grave, and Randy Pitchford. I wish Randy would disappear like this game.

[@strassboom2612]

Overwatch: *Shoots Lawbreakers in the head* Overwatch: *Shoots Battleborn in the head* Overwatch: *Points barrel at its own temple*

[@lonerogue7800]

The accuracy

[@EmilSinclairDM]

TF2: Taunt-kills Overwatch.

[@EmilSinclairDM]

@Waxy mix If it’s dead, why is it one of the 10 most played games on steam right now?

[@pphead9960]

@Waxy mix last October TF2 got its highest peak in its history of over 130,000 people. Consistently it gets about 65-70k everyday. TF2 is far from dead. It might not have nearly had many players as what Overwatch has, but it still has a metric shit-ton of passionate fans.

[@pphead9960]

@Waxy mix The people that say that are the fans that make up that 70k people of the player base. I wouldn’t say that TF2 is dancing on Overwatch corpse, but if I had to pick I would pick TF2 because I think it’s a better game.

[@mikedawolf95]

Somewhere in 2016, Concord is being discussed and development is being.

[@Blahsheep]

I'm wondering if Crowcat could even make a video on Concord cuz it failed so hard it didn't even last a week lmao

[@happyman3802]

R.I.P Battleborn 2016-2016

[@PPunktAlex]

Did it really die when it never lived in the first place?

[@SLRok]

it lived for like a few weeks before overwatch came out.

[@Di0nysys]

"What is dead may never die."

[@UCHARTEDVENOM]

>implying it was ever alive

[@akosv96]

It woke up dead

[@LAST_STAND_FAN]

With Lawbreakers, it was funny to watch it fail. With Battleborn, it was just sad.

[@planescaped]

I dunno, Battleborn kinda had it coming as well...

[@cabrondemente1]

I suppose watching Cliffy B fail is more fun than his games.

[@ncrranger6327]

@@cabrondemente1 LMAO

[@jozinek876]

I think Lawbreakers looked decent, but Cliffy B's arrogant marketing didn't help as well as the market being over saturated. Battleborn also looked nice and I was intrigued to play it, only problem is that it's literally a carbon copy of OW.

[@babytricep437]

Sea Lettuce That’s the EXACT opposite reason why.

[@therulerofsquids531]

the music makes it so much sadder than it really is omg

[@ruo7336]

TheRulerOfSquids trust me, to the developers who poured years and years of stress hard work money and time into a product the world rejected and forgotten... this is beyond sad..

[@susman1116]

TheRulerOfSquids I know it's genuinely really sad to watch!

[@h0verman]

crowbcat tends to use specific music to set a video in a certain direction

[@goodstuff8271]

I normally laugh at this guys videos but this is so sad especially when he told the guy how much they put into this game

[@kn00tcn]

why would i/we want/need a new borderlands?

[@Astar24653]

Its crazy how many games overwatched shoved out of the industry, just to fumble the bag and end itself on its own.

[@nerfret]

TF2 >

[@matthewosterman9030]

And now marvel rivals is out with a newer version of a hero shooter that actually raises the bar

[@confucheese]

Should be called Stillborn.

[@roelin360]

Omg! XDDD

[@eldorado6008]

Damn son, don't be so savage in front of the kiddies.

[@nobletohru]

More like Unborn

[@navad5965]

Frederick Abel omg brutal hahaha :D gotta say tho i did quitr enjoy the game. Ty humblebundle

[@triogals]

the same joke has been made plenty of times since the release of this video 2016

[@icompilehitogatatrainpsas7639]

"We want it to look like anime!" [Looks nothing like anime]

[@estheay3611]

Leftist Gamerism you know there are hundreds of different styles of anime, right? Not all anime shows are drawn, edited, or produced in the exact same way every time. Some anime, like Nichijou and JoJo’s Bizzare Adventure, have over-the-top and/or cartoonish elements, while others have much more realistic elements.

[@ammagon4519]

@@estheay3611 I mean, Crunchyroll was going to make their own anime, and by the art style itself, it doesn't really look like an anime, but yeah I get your point.

[@charliejones5953]

it looks gay so it's basically the same thing

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

It looks like a comic book pretending to be anime but the crew in charge had never seen one in their lives.

[@KenLinx]

@@estheay3611 They specifically said they took inspiration from "Japanese anime" and Battleborn literally has no discernible aspects of anime.

[@symetric__2145]

Battleborn:"i will totally out sell overwatch!" *dies its sad and desperate death* Battleborn:"maybe if i go free to play?" Paladins:"u wot m8?"

[@Brian3642]

Symetric_ _ That awkward moment when Paladins, the potato version of Overwatch has more players than Battleborne

[@User-qx4kg]

Well paladins isn't potato version of overwatch. It has card system, ability to buy items and new characters added every month . Yeah some characters has similarities, but overwatch also has similarities with tf2

[@arootube]

Paladins is Overwatch with cards, items, and mounts. Why can't anyone just accept that and keep playing?

[@youknowyoufuckedupright3058]

420 likes

[@Fr1ght3nD]

Now it is F2P

[@captain_starducks5048]

If it wasn’t for borderlands 2 gearbox will just be another shovelware developer

[@VladissimoTheMocker]

Wrong definition of 'shovelware' but yeah, without Borderlands trilogy GBX is literally nothing😂

[@redleader_5]

They made the hl1 dlc, those games are fire

[@youtubesucks3882]

@@redleader_5 That was over 20 years ago lmfao bruh

[@therealMrA]

I'd argue even Borderlands 2 is generally overrated but that might just be me. Juvenile humor isn't a substitute for good writing in my book. Handsome Jack was a cool villain but that's about all that really impressed me writing-wise

[@youreokayboah2128]

@@therealMrA Well whether you liked the game or not. Borderlands 2 did MUCH better in sales compared to the first game.

[@Cactusman129]

battleborn is that game your grandma buys you when you ask for overwatch for christmas

[@dozedimples]

i hate you for making me snort

[@CuongTheAsian]

T... th... t-this is the perfect way to put Battleborn in comparison to Overwatch...!

[@quietazn]

Cactusman129 fucking top kek

[@Echolyktuz]

Cactusman129 Battleborn is that game that you present as resign form at the job.

[@malemuffin64]

AmericanGinger speak american

[@trush0t1]

Just came back when I learned they are shutting down this game in 2021. RIP Battleborn. I never played it.

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

It only lasted about 3 years on life care and it’s finally dying.

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

when your mom types p on your phone • 27 years ago not when they are dead.

[@DaleHusband]

2021? Why not in 2017, when it was clear even then this game was a flop?

[@shirakou1]

Wow they actually have servers up for this game still?

[@davidbray5982]

Haha, yeah that should be written on the battleborn tombstone: RIP BattleBorn 2016 - 2021 "I never played it" so sad

[@ragemonkey117]

these videos have no chill. and i love it.

[@Codex_0613]

just blatant truth

[@bigounce2651]

CrowbCat VideogameDunkey ZeroPunctuation The holy trinity of savagery and truth

[@floridaman9590]

Arashi Vallerioda Where's the third one? TRI-Nity.

[@SE_Lin]

+E Double Wow you're so smart

[@agnel47]

Crowbcat is literally Max Payne.

[@parkrangermoon2334]

I’ll never forget running into one of the devs a month before the servers shut down. It was heartbreaking how sad he was

[@jordangarcia465]

well, hopefully they learned the lesson of trying to release a game right alongside a game of similar genre that they'd compete with, along other things..they realistically only have themselves to blame here

[@ano_nym]

@@jordangarcia465 as far as I know they were first. It was just a case of extremely poor timing by happenstance.

[@lunadrea]

ngl i loved that game each character was so cool I had to drop it because no one played it anymore :(

[@BetterBenTV]

@@jordangarcia465 if you ever played battleborn and overwatch you would know that the matches feel wastly different and aside from being character based fps have very little in common.

[@EsteemedReptile]

@@BetterBenTV Ok....then why did it die on arrival?

[@bluebaby30]

Oh yeah, it came out.

[@RandomAssaultPodcast]

Captain Rainbow

[@AlexLaletin]

+Mr. Skeltal Radiator 2

[@RandomAssaultPodcast]

Gone Home...oh wait that's not a video game, sorry

[@CLfreaksho]

wouldn't be surprised, considering who made it

[@012egis]

borderlands

[@MysticMimikyu355]

Fun Fact: Battleborn failed so bad that in my local game store it's priced at about 8 euro

[@st3gosaurus]

Tbh I wouldn't even get it if it was free

[@crybb-]

i saw it at the dollar store yesterday.. LOL

[@trey5wop199]

stegosaurus lmao I actually got it for free

[@MysticMimikyu355]

Long okay

[@MysticMimikyu355]

Long Are you using gay as an insult? against *me* of all people

[@Scallycowell]

“It’s gonna be bigger than Borderlands!” >Battleborne hits the discount rack instantly >Borderlands Telltale game

[@GDRunny]

Telltale: shuts down and delists all their games from steam seriously why i really wanted to play poker night even in death they're cunts

[@inolongerusethisaccount4004]

@@GDRunny no poker night 3 :(

[@sw4g465]

@@GDRunny and now to get a steam key for it you have to sell an arm and a leg because of a tf2 crossover

[@nichoalaz6235]

If there’s one thing I’ve learned from the video game industry within the last 5 years it’s that hype never pays off.

[@Knapperoni]

Very rarely the hype delivers, but it pretty much never happens in recent years

[@WrangleMcDangle]

elden ring steps in

[@TravisHi_YT]

The hype cycle is what keeps most of the industry afloat. It's been like this for decades now. Fortunately it's getting easier to make and publish games.

[@chrisburns5532]

@@WrangleMcDangle although it suffers from frame compilation stutter and the developers don't seem to be interested in fixing it. so still a bit of a let down.

[@samuelhunter4631]

​@@WrangleMcDangle Fr, Elden Ring actually managed to surpass the hype

[@Quantumfarts]

If they hadn't released it right beside overwatch it probably would have done fine. But instead the decided to commit suicide by trying to go against blizzard.

[@Gfious]

Had they done it like paladins and make it, say, f2p, they probably could have been around for longer. Blizzard can turn any shitty game into a pot of gold (hearthstone), so you can't compete with a Blizzard game by making a similar game and sell it for a similar price.

[@PoeticFox]

if they had released it after overwatch then many would have called it a clone or other such stuff it should have come out before like maybe by three months

[@blank003]

Quantumfarts so sad,that both of them didn't fail.

[@TraneFirst]

Stop spreading false informations, Blizzard decided to release Overwatch sooner to kill Battleborn

[@dom4591]

Ur actually right. Battleborn is actually quite differnt than overwatch when it comes to how you play the game, the time of launch is what killed it.

[@K505B]

You gotta feel sorry for battleborn, that first reveal trailer had me intrigued. *shamelessly goes back to playing overwatch*

[@aegisfate117]

I COULD DO THIS ALL DAY

[@Nilithic]

>playing overmeme both games are shit

[@sunburst8810]

+Nilithic hello my friend! I too browse "the 4chan" top kek!

[@Nilithic]

NuttiesBC +haysooz Hello there, my fellow redditors

[@Alimentasable]

well memed friendo, now go back to /vg/

[@haxorinator8219]

The main reason Overwatch won. Blizzard has better butt designers.

[@Hallihallo6]

and it got overhyped by kids and blizzard fanboys, which is obviously much bigger than the gearbox or 2k fanbase bad marketing and a similar game design and playstyle to a much bigger game developer makes games like this die, their timing was just bad since paladins copied so much from overwatch and is doing decent nowadays xD

[@samharradence5689]

Haxor inator Oh hell yea

[@slurmitshighlyaddictive5641]

this guys is seriously saying that blizzard fanboys can magically keep a game running so strong, at the end of the day overwatch is fun and battleborn wasnt all that fun. Plus that art style is so gross

[@kira-dk2mx]

Overwatch does look fun to play, even to a singleplayer only guy like me. And Tracer's booty did increase the game's porn section so that counts too, I guess.

[@notmuch9454]

A lot better i.imgur.com/W8mJZU8.jpg

[@DeadEndScreamer]

0:19 - A difference between Battleborn and Concord is that someone actually dressed up as Battleborn characters.

[@downfall2970]

History repeats itself

[@ashishhembrom3905]

​@@downfall2970 i think he was meaning different.

[@mattygp1138]

A new game exists Paid people: THIS IS GONNA BE THE BIGGEST GAME OF ALL TIME

[@insensitive919]

They literally would bribe them with free consoles and crap, until people were like "um wait a minute". Now they are much less obvious about it, it's all about access because being early on [next product] is the best way to grow a brand name.

[@shunderomonamero3533]

WE WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS A JAPANESE ANIME

[@SneedyZyklon]

Shadow KittenBiscuit read the mango

[@brashlybold8805]

Shadow KittenBiscuit Should've taken a page from Seinfeld's book.

[@urchinnxp3385]

It's the crossover Ova of Overwatch, TF2 and Paladins

[@QuentinofVirginia]

Gearbox was literally making an NTR anime where they're the ones that gets cucked and the guy doing the cucking is Blizzard. Literally pottery.

[@Echolyktuz]

Shadow KittenBiscuit On Prom Night.

[@KeroKaminaX]

i can't believe they're finally shutting down the servers for this game in 2021

[@caprimann87]

theres still 2 people playing it

[@Danielgil28893-x]

Why now? Why not 3 years ago?

[@tulagundam]

Seeing the game im sad it didnt succed, looks good :"c not only that but i love the design of marquis (or however is called the fancy lookin' sniper robot, i really like it)

[@Deadsea_1993]

Those 10 people will miss it

[@ChapuleTaylor]

@@SourChicken1856 *sucked

[@amediumhorse]

Paladins and TF2: Laughs in free

[@mooganify]

TF2: laughs at Paladins

[@jofre9386]

@@mooganify everyone: laughs at Paladind

[@sowatome849]

I prefer paladins over tf2 but they really fcked up with all the bugs.

[@strikemanpop]

@@sowatome849 >imagine playing a game with 400 bugs Comment made by: "we made a character glitch an entire meme"

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

TF2 > Paladins. TF2 is a game I would rather play as a free to play game.

[@casedistorted]

2:50 that guy is the worst interviewer, 12 questions in one without giving the guy a chance to speak

[@dominus9664]

It wasn't even that hard to understand, unless you're abit screwed in the head to process what he's trying to ask.

[@nam6128]

3:02 the way he asks the questions 😂

[@sigma_delta]

idk, but i think almost every esports interviewer are f*king idiot

[@ThisBirdHasFlown]

@@sigma_delta Nice grammar, genius.

[@dr.deadpool5959]

*Borderlands: You could not live with your failure and where did that bring you, back to me.*

[@fbi855]

I see you everywhere lol

[@shufflin321]

Omg that is so truuuuueeee

[@neros1277]

*Borderlands 3 released as epic exclusive* Steam: and yet again you could not live with your failure and where did that bring you, back to me

[@Nietabs]

I like to imagine Borderlands said that as he is in a Life support. Gearbox keeping borderlands alive for them money

[@Nietabs]

Borderlands is good, I'm not saying it's bad. I got one to my PS3 that my dad bought, I must say. It really is good, me and my sister played it on Coop campaign because we have 2 controllers

[@mannyskerret1695]

"I hope people like the game!" That fucking killed me

[@filipegamercraft]

Bro i almost cryed on that part seriously😕

[@Jaydee011]

that wasn’t even funny it was pretty sad

[@vapingfury4460]

Y'know when the beta came out I played I tried it out and I thought it was fun so I bought it. It seemed pretty interesting as it had campaign and multiplayer and different classes but the day it came out there were only 3 people queuing up for multiplayer for the next couple of days it was just the same couple of people queuing, so then I went into steam and changed the region to include Asia as well and I only got 6 people I spent more than an hour trying to get into a game. The lobby needs 8 players to start the game :(

[@destedone5634]

the games staff could have had the decency to play with you guys for the first couple weeks atleast but even they didnt want to play the game.

[@chinchy111]

Frens forever

[@peterpop-off]

😂

[@ashtonf2m]

Saw this game at Five Below.

[@darudesandstorm7251]

ashtonf2m me too

[@absoluteunit4142]

lmao same

[@Golemoid]

it's 0 bucks now

[@NeverMindMan]

Same here, and I actually bought it... and later traded it in and got jack shit out of it.

[@jaji1718]

Bruh 😷

[@jackdaone6469]

“All units, be advised: Feminism is awesome!” Is that an actual line from the game!?

[@harrymason4300]

Yes. Gearbox is probably one of those companies shills feminism but secretly treats women horribly like Nike and Google.

[@jackdaone6469]

What in the goddamned fuck!?

[@fakenamerealchungus9851]

kingmark210 thanks for the context hahaha. Like I’m a big supporter of feminism and I’ve learned loads from it, but hearing the quote out of context makes me choke

[@YimYumLoL]

A lot of people don’t get this bc this line is ripped out of context, after killing a girl he will say that as he’s saying that he’s glad feminism is awesome so he can kill them

[@DickBanton]

@@YimYumLoL That's even worse than what I was thinking before!

[@Fl0yd-]

The game was so bad rule34 wouldn’t make any porn about it.

[@Nipotazzi]

NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE

[@CrashNSplash]

Hol up.

[@jaheim123]

Only overwatch

[@josephanthonymejia-reyes7458]

Some.

[@VAPORCHROME]

I don't know about *that* one

[@zlt3po]

Can't wait for Crowbcat to drop the sequel to this vid now that Concord has happened

[@FeatheredBiped23]

Colourful style=anime style

[@classicassassin9417]

Soul King Brook garbage style

[@nohints]

There are definitely many anime styles. And none of them look like Battleborn.

[@TerminatedAccount.]

anime=trash

[@cernos7230]

@@funtourhawk FALSE, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO LAWBREAKERS AHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[@cernos7230]

@@TerminatedAccount. False, citation required

[@PerkinsVR]

i didnt even know this game existed

[@josem.garibay5478]

SgtPerkins lol, same thing I said 😂

[@jerodwolf5582]

SgtPerkins it practically doesn't exist anymore

[@ThatGuy89002]

SgtPerkins it its actually a great game,i dare to say that id better than Overwatch

[@ThatGuy89002]

Jerod Wolf Nope,you're wrong it still has an decent player base

[@kurikuraconkuritas]

Leo Lima Overwatch is just pure joy. and the character designs are fucking gorgeous.

[@DrFettuccineRavioli]

From the creators of Alien: Colonial Marines

[@bruheffect6335]

Daytona Beach yeah it seems like that would be a better way to market the game kappa

[@sarsona_3611]

Daytona Beach I actually still have that game.

[@quantumedbox4341]

also duke nukem forever. lol

[@GoldInk-ds5up]

It seems like everything made by Randy Bitchford is destined to fail

[@scaryclouds1403]

PrimeInk9734 TIL borderlands failed /s

[@IgnacioRoca]

As a game dev this video causes sadness, anxiety and existential dread.

[@insensitive919]

Gearbox has like one successful franchise among a 20 year stretch of scandals and failures, and the marketing and timing of this specific game was not something that a smart person would have gone with. Just be smarter than a plank of wood, and you'll be a better dev than Gearbox ever was. Grats.

[@IgnacioRoca]

@@insensitive919 I guess, but the game was genuinely fun and a good idea with good execution. It just shows that marketing and brand name will always prevail in the multiplayer space over actual quality. I know Gearbox is famous for engaging in tom-fuckery of the bad kind but it's never really the people making the game that do that stuff. It is dreadful to see so many creatives pour their talent and experience into a project for years just for it to come out good and be spoilt by external factors and realities of the gaming industry.

[@DankCannon]

@@IgnacioRoca dude whats even scarier is our children might fuck it up by going into business in that industry while not caring about the previous tomfuckery. Like what are the scandals going to look like for future generations lmao

[@chrisburns5532]

@@IgnacioRoca and perhaps don't make game types that are already saturated in the market. how many shooters do you need.

[@yol_n]

@@insensitive919 that's how it goes

[@Noja8787]

The entire Battleborn playerbase disliked this video.

[@SlumpDrunko]

What, all 3 of them?

[@012egis]

thats the joke

[@datboijdope]

That was the joke... -__-

[@Nokitron]

delet this

[@Milkra]

But this video has 100 dislikes more than the playerbase, wtf?

[@joseelizondo6587]

it's so sad when you put all your effort and passion in a project and it just don't succeed, just look at the face of the devs when they talk about battleborn, poor guys.

[@Yoshikage8008]

Jose Elizondo I'm blaming the poor marketing and plus gearbox is a horrible Cash Cow

[@jackwinterheld4335]

Because Blizzard released Overwatch around the same time, and Overwatch continues to destroy anyone who dares to come across. There is no small time in this segment of the industry.

[@mariusmglestue1234]

Nothing sad about it, appearantly gearbox swindled sega for money when they mad Aliens: colonial marines. they used only a portion of the budget to pay for another studio to make the game while investing the money sega gave into making borderlands 2.

[@dujuan9646]

Jack Winterheld because overwatch had a lot of originality to it. Battleborn didn't.

[@julias.9449]

They just had to make it at the start Free to play.

[@internetjuror4438]

They tried to make it look like Anime? Looks nothing like Cory in the House!

[@internetjuror4438]

***** You mean Cory in the House isnt Japanese Anime?! What about Toy Story?

[@jedispartancoolman]

WEEEEB

[@internetjuror4438]

Sorry, I cant hear you over the sound of my katana collection

[@jedispartancoolman]

XD

[@H4ppyGoHeadshot]

Gigguk reference! I found you! >:3

[@newspapereditorials]

The music just makes this the funniest shit I've ever seen. Makes it even funnier that it's also in the official trailer.

[@raulpardo4210]

Exactly what I was thinking, lol. The music sucks. 🤣

[@Chichimee]

@@raulpardo4210 tasteless philistine

[@kanabis134]

@@Chichimee for not liking the garbage fire of a music m83 write?

[@EndOfSmallSanctuary97]

@@raulpardo4210 The game and it's marketing sucked, but the music is great. M18 have some great music.

[@Irraptured]

These videos are so satisfying

[@CunningCondor]

You sadist.

[@htf5555]

Schadenfreude

[@Floridamangaming729]

Especially when you buy the right game.

[@zeroghost115]

@@Floridamangaming729 you bought battleborn? Cool. Overwatch is a trash game for trash people. Every hero in the game is brain dead easy and requires no strategy

[@MrGil-i]

@@zeroghost115 you just replied to a 5 month old comment but ok

[@soktherat777]

After what they pulled with Duke Nukem, Aliens Colonial Marines, and the "unscheduled" dlc for Borderlands 2 that was probably funded by the insane sales of Colonial Marines, and was also not covered by the season pass, I feel like Gearbox finally got what they deserved.

[@MrMoopBoop]

Zachary Mumme very old, but what dlc was it?

[@k.-flynn]

moop the headhunter packs

[@ImpoliteSoundSystem]

Headhunter packs were literally 3 bucks each and the Borderlands games were amazing all around with insanely high quality DLC. If you say Gearbox "got what they deserved" for the Colonial Marines misstep you are nothing but an idiot.

[@k.-flynn]

captainstabbin it wasn't a misstep dude it was theft. And the art style for the borderlands series (black cartoon lines) was stolen from an mtv short "Codehunters". There are entire shots lifted from that thing. I love borderlands but gearbox is a really shitty company.

[@ImpoliteSoundSystem]

Gearbox openly said that they were influenced by Codehunters for their first Borderlands game and there were was no offense or copyright infringement or else there would've been a lawsuit. Something like this literally happens every single week in the world of books, games and movies/tv shows. You can easily find other examples of stuff like this happening, and it's not even always a bad thing, because it can draw attention to the original. You cannot cherry-pick this example to be bad but be okay with others.

[@tyman3331]

Does anybody remember Duke Nukem forever? It was such a piece of shit that I thought gearbox will go bankrupt after it. But no, later they made infamously bad Alien Colonial Marines. How come they are still afloat?!

[@Venomnik0]

Borderlands

[@kaktotak8267]

And Borderlands is not even a well designed game anyway. It was just the first in its niche.

[@Wieprzek]

Not really. Borderlands is a very good game imo. Don't get me wrong, im playin Overwatch a lot at the moment, but the money and time i invested in BL2 were really well spent.

[@kaktotak8267]

Wieprzek Borderlands is a very lousy shooter. The combat is very repetitive. It doesn't have a lot of interesting gear. It doesn't _actually_ have a lot of weapon variety. Any Far Cry game is miles above it in this regard. The only things it has going for it are loot and humour. Like I said, it was practically the first single player looter shooter and it's the most well known in its niche.

[@elperronimo]

+Kakto Tak I guess that's your opinion. I thought it was very fun and had a ton of replayability, but yeah it did get repetitive if you played solo all the time.

[@300IQPrower]

This game had so much potential, passion, and talent put into it. Then Randy worked his magic…

[@youreokayboah2128]

Potential? Nah, they looked so similar to OW buddy lmao.

[@midorifox]

@@youreokayboah2128 potental lawsuit material

[@EnviousGreen]

Anyone who actually played both games knew how different they really were. They were both hero shooters with some similar character designs. The experience of playing both games was very different. It was neat that Battleborn actually had a campaign. Still bummed OW couldn’t even pull that off after 7 years and a sequel. I’ll be honest I enjoyed both.

[@Discoveryman29]

I believe it was the character's ass that make OW more attractive

[@ZeroTheHunter]

​@@EnviousGreen im a bit late to the discussion but yeah, both games only share superficial similarities. I loved playing BB and i was there when the servers went down. It was really fun and if this random people hating on BB would have played the game, they would knew the quotes are pure sattire and the game was leggit good. Battleborn got killed like titan fall 2 was. By overshadowing.

[@EntireEntru]

Counterstrike keep going keep going keep going keep going is how I will now describe every fps game.

[@lampenpam]

Don't forget to call the style anime

[@PureFlakes]

Remember Wolfenstien 3D? That game was like Counterstrike Nazis Nazis Nazis Nazis

[@sksthrowaway2270]

He was trying really hard not to say that it sucked balls

[@Pyke64]

Alien Isolation was like Counterstrike without the shooting

[@JackSparrow-ub5di]

+lampenpam it's Japanese anime

[@360cent]

gearbox fucked up by releasing this game close to overwatch.

[@uCalm]

Yeah but it wouldn't of had this much of a loss. If they put it out when they first wanted to it would of only had Far Cry Primal to compete with and would of done way better in sales.

[@fishandham1]

found the battleborn player

[@fishandham1]

SSn00ne did you buy the origins edition ?? ahahahahah you can get the base game for $70 and the game is worth every cent

[@Dregomz02]

i have bought origins edition for 39euros so where are your $70?

[@fishandham1]

$70 australian and you can only get it online

[@cindyart6732]

It's just ironic how they ditched Borderlands for this game when in reality people still playing borderlands 2

[@christophermendez4322]

Cindy Art i mean I understand why, they don’t just want to be the people who made borderlands, they wanted to try something different

[@miiguel6605]

@@tommcdaniel9554 WOW that was probably the best thing I ever read that makes sense.

[@capitaldcolon1795]

Gabe literally invented a money printer. Also Valve is the most sucessfull company when you put staff and profit in relation. Billion Dollar company with less than 500 enployees.

[@leonfrancis3418]

@@tommcdaniel9554 Apple's taken that route too. Why invest in hardware, removing the notch, or adding 120hz refresh screens when you can wind down research and development, and focus your efforts on an app store that makes 40% of your revenue for nothing.

[@BUBBA808]

I love the borderlands series! Borderlands 2 is easily the best out of the 4

[@peacemaster8117]

Back here to commemorate the death of Battleborn 2, aka Concord.

[@PerkinsVR]

"it's literally counter-strike" what the fuck, man

[@notprosperBEATS]

SgtPerkins Ikr XD

[@9pmInTokyo]

The gaming media culture is so cringey. My God.

[@Jo_Mama710]

Sanjuro Then why are you here?

[@Master-Bait]

Sanjuro *''GAYMUR CULTURE" is cancer killing video game as an entertainment form.

[@charlierose7153]

Jesus Christ I didn't realise the son of God was such an avid gamer

[@Echolyktuz]

Sanjuro We didn't had this shit in the magazine era. Take me back to those glorious days!

[@kyotheman69]

why i don't watch to much press news and pre order games

[@J_C_CH]

1:00 "it destroys the stuff we did for Borderlands" Meanwhile, the first Borderlands servers are still going over a decade later, whereas this game didn't even last five years.

[@timon8116]

It looks like a Walmart version of overwatch

[@cheesesteakphilly]

It had some good coop play though....that is if your teammates actually played as a team, which was rare.

[@grayman1993]

Bahahaha xD

[@thememeguy2195]

Great Value Overwatch

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

Walmart is a great place to buy, doesn't deserve this defamation

[@CunningCondor]

And Overwatch was an Apple version of TF2

[@grayman1993]

"all units be advised : feminism is awesome" please kill me.

[@siddharthakvr5154]

*stab*

[@prinniesforeveryone321]

@play gray and still gay

[@cjcathead2468]

@play gray the voice acting is still awkward and the dialog feels like it belongs in fortnite.

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

@play gray That context didn't really make it any less cringe.

[@thedonkey6704]

@play gray where have I seen you before

[@ArtsyFoxo]

"All units, be advised. Feminism is Awesome!" Nah son. Fuck this game.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

He says after you kill a female character, dipshit.

[@ArtsyFoxo]

+Calvin_Coolage That line has no place in a game like this my dude.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

+GrayFoxxGaming I wasn't defending it, I was giving it context. It's an awful line.

[@ArtsyFoxo]

+Calvin_Coolage Callin' someone a "dipshit" sure as hell seems like you're defending it.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

+GrayFoxxGaming Fair enough.

[@Caspeaon]

saying the sentence "its like counter strike without the rounds" should be illegal to say

[@lilcursebreaker5571]

“I hope people like the game!” Honestly makes me so sad and uneasy because he seemed so excited and proud 😪

[@milboxr9772]

He's a well known dick, it's fine

[@olliej.2776]

How to make a feminist videogame: have female characters, treat them respectfully How not to make a feminist videogame: ALL UNITS BE ADVISED FEMINISM IS AWESOME

[@brotherblood1180]

you completely missed the point of the joke dumbass he says feminism is awesome because he as a man is able to kill a woman it wasnt even a real pro feminism joke did you even play the game?

[@brotherblood1180]

@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess are you for real right now?

[@nibbaman1855]

@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess So this is what happens when you take LSD, Meth and Bath salts at the same time.

[@brown9671]

Wrong (Sponsored by feminism)

[@brown9671]

brother blood no one played the game

[@sammalone3369]

2:56 dude is literally English kanye west

[@sirspookybones1118]

Kanye East it seems

[@Deadsea_1993]

Lol I see it now

[@Dgero]

Sir SpookyBones Hoho

[@jackhoff1216]

kanye westminster

[@TheAnonymousIndividual]

Who? I don't see the Englishman you're talking about...... OH, that Brownie? Lol, he isn't English. An Englishman is Anglo-Saxon, he's a foreigner that was born in a Land that isn't his. Being born in a Country /=/ Being that Ethnicity that originates in that Country. I'm Italian and Irish, if I meet a Girl who has the same Ethnic background as me and we decide to move to China and have Kids there, those Kids aren't Chinese.

[@GabeHowardd]

Came here after Concord to remember the real Concord

[@batmeme9349]

battleborn > deadlock

[@ohnospaghetti-o6123]

I saw battleborn for £4.99. I actually feel sorry for these guys, because they really seemed like they invested themselves into it.

[@SubZXD]

Exactly! Always sad when developers put their heart and soul into a game and it flops

[@Starkillerscat]

Chris SubZ I also felt that way until I heard "Feminism is awesome" line.

[@treedog4692]

Feminism is awesome! no pity from me

[@Starkillerscat]

Bob Dylan May the higher dimentional beings have mercy upon your soul

[@asujeto-7179]

That character say that when he kill a female enemy.

[@Larry]

After years of unethical shit, Gearbox deserved to get fucked over with Overwatch, sorry Bloodborne, Sorry, Battleborn. The shoddy car crash that was Duke Nukem Forever, The scamming with Alien: Colonial Marines and stealing art and screwing over the artist for the look of Borderlands.

[@joshua7529]

Hey, it's really him! Hello! Is Battleborn really that God awful? I don't have the game myself, but I am aware of what Gearbox has done in the past.

[@wyrmlight7446]

Huh, how are you not Verified? You should get onto KZbin about that!

[@Larry]

Sean F I really should.

[@joshua7529]

Nevermind, a friend let me borrow his copy. I found it mediocre and boring, just like Borderlands 2.

[@wyrmlight7446]

It's not that big of a deal, I just had to go to your Channel to make sure it was really you lol. I love your videos so it was great seeing you speak some truth about Gearbox on anther one of my favorite channels.

[@legotrillermoth]

"japanese anime" as opposed to turkish anime or czechoslovokian anime

[@joseaca]

chinese cartoons

[@Oli_Dann]

Yes, there's different types of anime. Korean anime for example.

[@gurriato]

Korean animation is not anime. Loanwords often change their original meanings: vigilante has a different meaning in English than it has in Spanish, hip means butt in Japanese, smart means stylish or slim, etc. The word anime outside of Japan, including English speaking countries, means Japanese animation exclusively, so "Japanese anime" is redundant.

[@LightAndDarkMdness02]

joseaca Saw the next episode of Corey in the House yet?

[@eloelodzimejl]

Mole is my favorite czechoslovakian anime 😂

[@chinna5373]

Still lasted longer than Concord.

[@MillRunner]

"All units be advised: Feminism is awesome!" They didn't even fucking try.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

ManlyChicken The character only says that after you kill a female character in multiplayer. It's supposed to be an insult/joke. It is, however, still a terrible line.

[@dabloodsploder4280]

Calvin_Coolage never played oscar mike but it sounds like kind of the thing foxtrot would say in a kinda badass voice

[@AyataHiragi]

That character actually is pretty awesome, the only awesome thing about this game, a lot of his lines got removed n retaken because they deemed them too "mean" for the game.

[@nfsking2000]

It's meant as an insult as others pointed out. Sıme anti-feminists on the internet are... interesting people.

[@MrRaziza]

nfsking2000 And the feminists aren't..? At least some of the edgy anti-feminists look normal.. but the blue hair she-whales take the "interesting" trophy by far.

[@Andres33AU]

My question is why Paladins, another game very similar to Overwatch, succeeded where as Battleborn failed. Is it the free-to-play aspect? Perhaps it's a lot more polished?

[@raziele.1105]

Well yes it's because of the f2p aspect

[@shadow50011]

Free, better balance, not casualized by Blizzard ala OW/HotS/Hearthstone, and while being more moba-like fps aim is more important than Overwatch.

[@shadow50011]

come here and shake that pussy Yes it is. If it's casualized many players find it too easy and the game dies in 2-3 years. Aka everything on console.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Ivanoff Gorvoviche Slavoslavavich So then Overwatch should die in a few years?

[@Calvin_Coolage]

One of the biggest problems that Battleborn had is that 2k can't into effective advertising. Of the few ads they put, none of them gave you any idea what the game even was. This is why people are saying Battleborn is an Overwatch clone, when in reality the two games are nothing alike. If they had made more effective advertising efforts, I think the game could have been a moderate success with a small, but dedicated playerbase. Now it's a ghost town, and it sucks, because there's a good game to found in Battleborn.

[@ronanepic2457]

the sad part is that battleborn isn't even bad, it just picked the wrong time to come out.

[@erick_ac]

Ronan osachoff The game needed to come like 10 years ago then

[@ronanepic2457]

Erick Aguilera it came out right next to overwatch, gearbox didn't have half of the marketing power that overwatch did. Oh aslo paladins exists.

[@kentatakao6863]

Ronan osachoff No, Battleborn is pretty bad.

[@rockCity777]

I played the beta. I didn't love the game, but I could see a lot of people liking it. I'm sad that the game died, because I probably would have come back to it some time after Overwatch.

[@kentatakao6863]

I was obsessing over Battleborn, and I defended it from so many stupid Overwatch fans, but when I first played it in the open beta, I decided to just forget about the game.

[@RobotniksPromotion]

rewatching this after concord flopped.

[@observer4916]

Just battle my born up

[@elperronimo]

ayo fam what hairstyle u want

[@BatmanisBatman]

Say no more

[@nightshadecataclysm]

gimme that 7 kill streak

[@masquerade3979]

Gimme that sweaty forehead of Randy Pitchford

[@As_Expected_of_Pieck]

just hobby-grade my shit up

[@Lakanus]

2:10 wait is this real

[@Sombino]

Pretty sure. Yes,

[@him9952]

Im so confused, who copied who though

[@renkarem2738]

Gearbox copied Blizzard 100% sure. Gearbox was the company that developed Aliens: Colonial Marines and Evolve, games that died due to microtransactions and fake trailers/shitty gameplay. Not even surprised. They are pieces of shit. No way Blizzard would copy them.

[@simonetarenzi3831]

Holy shit that's.. almost sad.

[@billbobjamjamjr]

+Tfw no camera evolve was made by ex lfd devs. and the similarities are an unlucky coincidence

[@bearyboy9088]

Overwatch killed a lot of games

[@PSS395]

Too many seemingly similar shooter released in a too narrow time frame and cannibalization will happened. That's a fact. Last year Titanfall 2 was killed by Battlefield 1 and it still make me salty. Battleborn and Lawbreaker though? Not quite

[@mysticblade35]

Yeah still mad about Titanfall 2. Stupid of Respawn to pick that release window, evil of EA to sandwich it between COD and Battlefield, with what felt like zero advertising to boot.

[@GoldnPea]

It killed TF2 though, i was impressed that it happened I never knew that a game that lasts for a year killed a 10 year old game

[@PSS395]

Legend Island TF2 committed suicide a long time before Overwatch was even a thing though. I followed Star_ and Jerma back in the day, I know.

[@ruad2642]

Jerma still plays TF2, star_ became a toxic idiot.

[@MacenW]

This is one of my favorite edited videos on KZbin

[@FellTheSky]

Call me lunatic but its like someone went ahead and sold the game concept to 3 different companies. (battleborn - overwatch - paladins). And they went ahead and rushed the development trying at the same time to make it slightly different.

[@junilog]

FellTheSky i know this is over a month ago but paladins was way different before overwatch released. It was like moba but from a first person perspective (not just mmofps), it has huge maps similar to the ones in dota and LoL. After overwatch's release and success, they revamped the whole game which looks like a plain copy of overwatch

[@megafrankenstien8049]

FellTheSky it's the video game illuminati ran by pong

[@tristanreid9969]

they started making paladins before they started making overwatch so if anything overwatch copied paladins

[@junilog]

Tristan Reid have u ever seen paladins in 2013? it was literally nowhere near it is now. After overwatch released they changed the game to what it is now. Im not a fanboy (in fact i hate both of them) but if someone is copying another's work, it's absolutely paladins

[@tristanreid9969]

Thanks for this information friend! Much appreciated.

[@HiyaItsHailey]

>When a newly released game is beaten by *battlefield hardline* in twitch stream numbers

[@garrickslings6113]

It's actually kinda sad

[@Domcvast]

During the Alpha the game was well balanced. At the Beta it was the shittiest balancing I'd ever tried. So no they fucked it up themselves

[@Echolyktuz]

Errer Errers Except, well, if there's actually skill and progression involved. Which sadly most, if not ALL OF THEM, fail to achieve the latter. I mean, seriously, keep on playing just to earn credits for shitty boxes that only contain cosmetic items in them? WHERE'S MY FUCKING MOTIVATION!?! Don't just throw me a fucking bone, leave at least some meat in it, for fucks sake!

[@df938]

Domcvast they fixed everything since launch

[@CouchCit]

Garrick Slings It's very sad. If it wasn't for Overwatch this game proly would've had some staying power

[@Comuzzy]

Garrick Slings Yeah, really sad for the Borderlands team...

[@RMBII91]

2:05 Vault Boy tells us all we need to know about Battleborn.

[@Stalemoldymeme]

This is what happens when you wrestle with Jeff...

[@localfatgirl8369]

they weren't 2016-2016

[@epicguy5005]

my nama jeff Kaplan

[@Wrathinside]

Fuck Jeff.

[@SLZABBJNGO]

Wrestle with Jeff... you meet death

[@Alex-gv2jc]

prepare for deff

[@ariestheram5693]

All units, be advised: ｆｅｍｉｎｉｓｍ　ｉｓ　ａｗｅｓｏｍｅ

[@vladtepes2667]

Call them mortally challenged

[@dereenaldoambun9158]

@@vladtepes2667 Lol I'm dead.

[@vladtepes2667]

@@dereenaldoambun9158 As am i

[@kankeydong2500]

@@vladtepes2667 A y y y y

[@god5620]

Aries The Ram was that really a like from the game?

[@yungzed]

they are selling copies at fivebelow now lol

[@lolioliol360]

If you gave ME five bucks I wouldn't play it.

[@damantejones5947]

yung zed now its free on pc xbox and ps4

[@JoeMama-tp6cq]

Damante Jones Still wouldn't play it. They would have to pay me to. 😂

[@brodonamus]

Joe Mama I would, fuk u mean

[@gluechoomoo9059]

STOP JUST STOP SO WHAT I LIKED IT THIS HAPPEND TO ONE OF MY FAVORITE SHOOTERS LAWBREAKERS

[@MarkTheCat]

I can’t believe that people at Sony saw what happened to Battleborn and Law Breakers and still decided to proceed with Concord

[@ITSGOOD2BKING]

I remember I foreshadowed this and my friend bought this at full 60 dollar price, mocking me and my was-potato PC that i wasn’t getting the same experience playing this game :)

[@TheGrizzlo503]

Man, seeing Randy be super optimistic while the result of the game's failure is playing simultaneously just bummed me out. You could tell he was proud of it. Kinda freaks me out because I want to design games but at the same time I don't want to feel like a failure with a crushed spirit. The internet is fucking ruthless whether you deserve it or not.

[@Velrikk]

One of the things is that you can never start believing that your game is the greatest thing ever, because it will must surely won't, they released it too close with Overwatch (dug their own grave), also, design-wise, the game is just dumb (tryhard humour that isn't natural as Borderlands, weird and uninteresting looking characters, micro-transactions, etc.) I will become a Game Designer in the future as well, and this game taught me a lesson, if you are making something that looks like another game, make sure that what your game has different about it is actually interesting.

[@pastmistakes524]

BlackFrost another important thing, is to know your audience and what makes them interested in it, it's also not a good idea to take multiple different audiences interests and mash them together. (Just letting that out there)

[@EnterTheSoundscape]

I have no sympathy. This is payback for fucking over Aliens: Colonial Marines. Karma's a bitch huh Randy?

[@bryankrim4131]

Gabriel Karapondo the guy kind of deserved it

[@cyphaborg6598]

Social media can make or break you

[@TMWT]

Releasing it alongside Overwatch was suicide.

[@xxzoruaxv]

The MalWare And released after Overwatch would cause copyright and trademark infringement. They could've had a chance if they released it before Overwatch, but it would be slim.

[@raphaelrainard]

Admit it, watching Crowbcat's videos is like witnessing the downfall of the videogame industry

[@probablygeorge6489]

that halo video hit too hard...

[@DanielTheFreak]

Gaming is dead

[@DanielTheFreak]

@@brain_bank48 Wouldn't say more popular, just more lucrative due to microtransactions

[@Jaydee8652]

@@DanielTheFreak, Just stay away from AAA, I’m having a great time with my weird experimental indie titles that I’m free to mod halfway to hell.

[@MrBrad12435]

​@@DanielTheFreak 😂

[@cromtuiseagain]

The lack of marketing killed Battleborn IMO. Two months ago, every banner ad and article almost always talked about Overwatch. Meanwhile all I heard from Battleborn was "from the makers of Borderlands" which just made me go "...AND?!"

[@Father_Wendigo]

The wild lack of balance between characters didn't help. Find someone who participated in the closed beta who's willing to talk, and you'll hear a tale of how PVP was a massive trainwreck with two characters could single-handedly stop 5-man teams with little effort or skill.

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

I look at Battleborn and can't help but smile. Not because I liked the game - never played it, probably never will either. But I feel like Gearbox got their just desserts after what they did with Aliens: Colonial Marines. Of course, that didn't stop them from going right back around and making Duke Nukem their new cash cow...*sighs*

[@exocetzx3651]

Kerian Halcyon This isn't really developers fault, but more 2Ks fault... They rekted those games

[@Blank-me9hb]

2k also rekt evolve but when evolve stage 2 is rising up they abandoned it never updated it again now its dead

[@Pay2pray]

DM 13 And the mods for gtaV situation...

[@Venislovas]

They deserved what they did to Sega.

[@DD-fs7pg]

Deplorable Pepe What'd they do?

[@shengaorenhasser]

Duke Nukem Forever Aliens: Colonial Marines Battleborn How is gearbox still in business? Only because they make borderlands?

[@usoap141]

borderlands was quite a hit actually

[@niekschilperoord1640]

Brothers in arms was fucking amazing

[@Steelion69]

Half Life: Opposing Force was fucking awesome, an example of what an expansion should be, and that's how Gearbox even became big, because of that.

[@trooperV2003]

Here before the eventual concord video

[@servantofgod8920]

"I'm sloooowly drifting toooooooo... FEMINISM!"

[@gunzlingerbil]

If they made 10 characters for Borderlands 3 and released it, I would have gotten it day one.

[@Borderlands808]

gunzlingerbil they would've been a lot better off if they had released some new, good DLC for BL2.

[@konanwilsonfriese2150]

Borderlands808 Borderlands 2 isn't getting any more DLC for a long time, buddy. The last of its DLC released long ago.

[@IDKGeorge123]

The studio that produced the borderlands games went under, that's why borderlands the pre sequel never got any DLC

[@gaviano2663]

I like to imagine that borderlands the pre sequel is a scrapped idea for borderlands' story that they turn down and instead they make a different story for borderlands 1 and after succeeding in the process and eventually releasing borderlands 2 and its DLCs, they felt bliss and empty so they decided to get the ditched story running back for the pre sequel

[@CunningCondor]

*Bord3rlands

[@reapzdeatth]

pick this game up for $4 yesterday

[@redactedremoved70]

[cancer]Linus just the tips $4 you're never getting back

[@reapzdeatth]

Dragon Lover6969 i know aye could of bought a donut with that $4

[@shawklan27]

meninist[cancer]Linus just the tips you could've bought 2 donuts from Dunkin Donuts with that money

[@jonnathanperez1924]

meninist[cancer]Linus just the tips what kind of overpriced doughnut you buying dude

[@AnsemUchiha]

Jonnathan Perez that's nothing special I bought a $100 donut before made with purple yams and shaved gold

[@MattVSin]

"Overwatch and Battleborn are VERY different games! I am so tired of seeing them in the same sentence. The differences are STAGGERING!" *Proceeds to show the extreme similarities. Awesome work right here!

[@amediumhorse]

I hear the music and see the game developers look at the game with sparkles in their eyes and their joy when talking about it and I feel like shit. But then I hear Feminism is awesome.

[@Joancodony]

"You probably haven't played it, but Battleborn is all about badass women"

[@elperronimo]

cringe

[@DaFroBroforeal]

They actually said that? XD

[@Joancodony]

www.vice.com/en_uk/read/you-probably-didnt-play-it-but-the-story-of-battleborn-was-all-about-badass-women-343

[@DaFroBroforeal]

+Edgelord Supreme Now that's just goddamn hilarious.

[@boatmasterxtreme1036]

Somehow this is Anthony Burch's fault.

[@Aymannnnnnnn]

I like how overwatch replied with total calm and yet they still destroyed them. , classic blizzard.

[@phantomvulpe791]

Aymen with probably the most cliche fantasy (or Sci-fi) lines I have ever read. I'm surprised Blizzard didn't went full crazy on it.

[@someguynamedmatt2907]

Well I mean they are called Blizzard so they must know how to be chill.

[@LiamCameron77]

Matthew Fedrick get out

[@3Guys1Video]

+Matthew Fedrick God dammit, Barbra!

[@Alex-if1hc]

Quake TZ Stop Crying! I think you are the overdated garbage.

[@betr8]

Concord should have watched this first.