Battlefield 2042 (BETA) vs Battlefield 4 | Direct Comparison

[@tomoakley760]

The specialist system looks frustrating because you just know it's probably shoehorned in with monetisation of overwatch-style skins in mind. Not every AAA shooter needs to pivot into "hero shooter" territory, just let me be an anonymous soldier I can customise with lore-friendly cosmetics. You know, like a classic character creator should work.

[@KaiserReb]

This ain’t bf4.

[@KizaruB]

Lots of the new direction in this game feels so much like trying to simplify stuff. A great example of this is the changes to weapons mods and gear selection, and the focus on presets and heroes. For example, the handling of defibrillators is just heinous.

[@Destroyerz117]

yeah and it makes target selection so much harder say a guy you're shooting at runs behind cover, two identical clones of him come back out and now you have no idea who the hell you were just shooting..

[@KaiserReb]

@@KizaruB lol y’all remember when people complained that bf4 instant rev no longer there you had to charge to revive at 100%?

[@Nick930]

You know - the "hero" thing is the exact reason I drifted away from Warcraft way back in the day. Was not a fan of it in Warcraft 3 and they've never returned to classic Warcraft since. Used to love playing Warcraft 2

[@kylewatson6890]

I've always wondered why developers change mechanics that were already perfect.

[@4n0nym0u5]

If they don't, people yell: Re-used OLD(!) sounds/models. They can't keep improving stuff.... so some areas should be allowed to re-used, like sound department. But 2042 can do whatever it wants, I'm not buying nor playing it ever.

[@_________________404]

@@4n0nym0u5 based

[@bird_with_knives]

@@4n0nym0u5 I'll say one thing for sure - if I will ever decide to finally get into a COD - I'll buy battlefield 2042 :^)

[@Luke357]

@@4n0nym0u5 2042 still has a few sounds from bc2 I'm pretty sure.

[@PolarIre]

@@4n0nym0u5 don't blame you. Wanted to see bf:2042 be like bf:bc2/bf4 in look and graphics, make levelution amazing with entire cities 9f skyscrapers being destroyed. None of that and there's no plants or many trees.. Maps have kind of been dropping in quality since bf5. Bf1 they were great but feel off. Bfv spawns were really bad.. dice keeps trying to find the next rush or conquest with carrier assault which I liked, crisis nostalgia. Gun master is fun, obliteration. Bf4 community didn't respond so well to some dlc.. dice should take not of that and see why. They should read your guys comments and listen to professional players from each title more often. Big mess.

[@Syspender]

Batttlefield 4 is still a nice game today

[@kyleedgerton3698]

Better then 2042 atm. Lol.

[@iSobeyHvK]

Better Game*

[@kyleedgerton3698]

@@iSobeyHvK yep. 2042 is a mess.

[@matthewc164]

@@kyleedgerton3698 Aye, but a beautiful mess. Will get gooder ROFL

[@kyleedgerton3698]

@@matthewc164 not for a while. Got my $120 refund. I'll pick it up when it's on sale and fixed.

[@robinp.1362]

I find it funny how at the reveal of Bf 2042 every fan was hyped because dice seemed to have finally listened to fans. But now after the beta it turns out that the game is at all not designed how the fans wished it to be

[@johnroach13]

@c0ya1 not a good excuse if it gets rid of your old audience

[@kamahlfriscia]

They are trying something new except I really wish it was the class system now it's gonna be complete mayhemThey are trying something new except I really wish it was the class system now it's gonna be complete mayhem

[@elpoodoo3099]

They literally said it’s a love letter to the fans. I don’t think the game is bad, I enjoy it. But this ain’t a love letter, it’s a big middle finger to Battlefield fans

[@KryptoKn8]

M8, the game is sub 30Gigs on ps4 Fucking Modern warfare (2019) is like what, 180? Maybe more? This game has so little work done to it it could literally pass off as a f2p rip-off. And you can _REALLY_ tell. Honestly, even on ps4 2042 has _no_ right to look or run bad considering BFV (BR map) and Warzone (Warzone maps) are both bigger maps in total with _more_ players and better graphics + physics. This is literally a game still in the alpha, it's the bare minimum of "ready for use" The 30-ish gigs it is in size should be the "ready for use" portion on console, while at LEAST double that ONTOP of it should be the full game (on ps4 you can play games without them being fully downloaded, but only to a limited extent)

[@MrSarge-nw5jy]

I feel like DICE should really, really watch this review. It’s very well made and goes over a lot of problems thoroughly that have been highlighted briefly by beta testers.

[@slarpyy1403]

agreed. even tho i disgreed with some things he said, he made very fair points to prertty much everything

[@melonytoni9016]

They all know, this is not up to the devs but the higher ups wanting it to release for christmas for the extra cash.

[@v.rocky111]

Beta was from months ago it's probably way better now

[@melonytoni9016]

@@v.rocky111 The beta version was from 15. september

[@BEASTMODE-fe5mg]

@@slarpyy1403 I feel like I oughta learn how to code and show the apprecation to gamers that these worthless coorperation can't.

[@MB-ye3vb]

It's simple: COD wants to be like Battlefield and Battlefield wants to be like COD

[@ABulgrin84]

:(

[@samir8090]

Nooo

[@fuckthisbs]

Yet players play cod and bf to AVOID playing the other.

[@Sirmisfits1]

They both have an identity crisis

[@abrsam7630]

hate that cod running movement in 2042

[@jannik4189]

I'm willing to bet that the operators and takedown animations are solely done so they can add a cosmetics shop. (get ready to be taken down by a clown costume grandma in a 30 sec fight scene finishing with a RKO outta nowhere)

[@DearFreja]

Of course this is the reason :/

[@mateusz_0]

Its obvious

[@TheAverageSushi]

Just played BF2042 again and I unfortunately still believe it has evolved backwards, abandoning most important and traditional elements of the BF franchise and leaning heavily towards CoD MW2019 and Warzone.

[@ChrisMcGuire0]

yep.

[@Lucromis]

Battlefield 4 still looks good being so old. Played it the other day.

[@Whachadoon]

I would say battlefield 4 still looks and plays better than most modern shooters.

[@terminator5084]

@@Whachadoon it's obvious

[@demonface2712]

I think Bf1 and bf5 look quite a bit better but playing bf4 it’s graphics still have a lot of charm

[@ThaSilentOne420]

@@demonface2712 if on pc try the game with sweet fx shaders on it will make the graphics look like 2042

[@alexandergonzalez9278]

Literally been playing it for years, servers are still lively today.

[@luckypozzo3939]

I personally hate the "hero class" system that is dominating FPS games these days. It really bums me out that DICE is jumping on board that bandwagon with BF2042. Anytime I tried playing the 2042 beta for a bit I would inevitably end up opening BF4 to actually scratch the itch. I'm afraid that it will continue to feel that way even after launch if they don't address some of the valid concerns raised here about the class system.

[@franmontiel11]

The hero class is ok in other games like TF2 because that is the escence of that games but in Battlefield you just can't remove the class system

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

There should not be heroes at all, these abilities should be like perks where you can select 2 without any classes.

[@DrFrogglePhD]

Overwhelmingly rejected by the players according to DICE. Inb4 indefinite delay of the game. Lmao. DICE are on suicide watch again.

[@joepeglegmorgan3015]

They Will lock the specijalist to classes. And add more specijalists to the classes so.for example,all medics wont look the same.

[@Rocksteady72a]

@@DrFrogglePhD "according to DICE" And the source is... where?

[@UniQue1992]

Adding Specialists to Battlefield without making them faction specific and divide them in classes is the biggest mistake they could ever make. The whole core of the game is gone.

[@kummer45]

This is an outstanding review. It SURPASSED professional levels being humble, straight to the point and methodical with the explanation. It's more than 11/10. This SHOULD BE the format of evaluation for future games of this sort. This channel ESTABLISHED a standard for game review on this genre and many others.

[@theswedishmidget3403]

I couldn’t agree more

[@SergenTemucin]

I drop a sign under this comment.

[@Xndrrgaming]

Bro is dicksucking over a video🤣🤣🤣🤡

[@Sidewinder1996]

Class system > specialists. Vehicles are cool but it really needs a delay and or a change in game mechanics and design

[@jordyh.-w.1386]

They seriously suck

[@KizaruB]

I’m also just not a fan of the general changes. Stuff like swapping attachments on the fly is just a complication imo that messes with game balance.

[@BARCHA354]

@@Dynamo33 it’s a beta they are supposed to be buggy you seen the bf3 beta?

[@rizzzzzza4643]

@@KizaruB what balance? Balance and Battlefield don’t belong in the same sentence.

[@TheRealSpicySucc]

@@rizzzzzza4643 clearly you're not a very astute person

[@KizaruB]

Why does DICE seem insistent on trying to fix what isn’t broke? At this rate they’re just streamlining stuff that was near perfect.

[@KaiserReb]

Classes were not perfect borsalino san

[@Dixxi]

It's not dice's fault. EA at it again with the money grabbing tactics.

[@Undecided_]

Because they think BFV failed because it was a bad game No BFV failed because you botched the launch, didn’t listen to fans about a lot of small issues, and focused on female soldiers with bionic arms as a main selling point when the game was “historically accurate” After the bugs and issues were resolved, BFV was the best Bf I’ve ever played 2042 just looks fundamentally broken

[@xSuspect-7]

I like that they are trying new stuff but it seems that they didn't put that much thought on it One of the issues this video brought was basically anyone having a launcher but you can see that launcher are pretty weak, they are trying to fix a consequence and not the problem

[@Rocksteady72a]

Because "fan" toxicity during BFV probably pushed them to think it's what people wanted. After all, Attrition in BFV was centered around teamplay, yet thec ommunity constantly asked for less reliance on teammate and teamplay, so I can understand how DICE likely went "Okay, let's just give them all the self-sufficient freedom then."

[@Aristowi]

I still think MW 2019 looks better, especially character and weapon models and textures, although the maps are much more dynamic here. I have a feeling that Dice won't be able to surpass BF4 as the best in the series, but let's see.

[@KryptoKn8]

False. You don't think, you KNOW. In all seriousness, Battlefield 2042 has no right to be this bad in graphics, physics and performance. BFV and Warzone both look better, run better, have 100 Players and much, MUCH larger (playable) maps and are also quite a few years old by now. I'm talking about the BR modes. Hate them like there's no tomorrow, but it's a fact that in both games it runs better with higher graphics and fully fleshed out physics compared to dice's new "Flagship release" Unfinished 2042

[@samuraishuyin]

@@KryptoKn8 just curious. Was that first statement you made a vague reference of Leo from the first Ninja turtles movie? I read it exactly like he says it

[@eggy6745]

Personally, my favourite battlefield games were Bad company 2 and battlefield 3. Bf4 was still a great game though

[@KryptoKn8]

@@samuraishuyin might be, wouldn't know. Been many years since I last watched TMNT

[@casper975]

@@KryptoKn8 you are speaking the language of truth

[@gitgud1018]

Man...how did this happen? Warzone's success must have really impacted the creation of this game - so much that it lost its iconic battlefield teamplay feel. It almost just looks like a few graphical updates and new maps / UI, couple new gadgets, and then couple new cool vehicles. The addition of the clunky new mechanics and systems are just so off-putting. It's sad to see after how long we have waited. Think I'm going to hold off on this one. Great review, really enjoyed your final thoughts (37:00)!

[@pinpilot980]

You are more than right, two months ago, according to a leak from DICE, it was stipulated that the company's managers, at the early stages of creating the BF2042, really told the developers what they would do as in Warzone, because it is successful. And not just repeated the success, but made it LIKE a warzone.

[@YoungBrada]

I had every battlefield on the day it came out except for this one I just don’t feel it…

[@KizaruB]

Am I the only one that still thinks BF1 has the best art of any Battlefield game to this day?

[@lgeagle8225]

No it still has the best graphics

[@akuskus]

BF1 is years ahead of 2042 in terms of immersion, environment and art style. And fun.

[@SentinelxPrime]

yeah, that quick comparison with bfv he did showed that bfv looked better, and bf1 looks better than v

[@KaiserReb]

I agree borsalino kun

[@nurtington]

@pit lord dude you left caps lock on

[@ALX_6.11]

thing that are needed to be change to the specialist system: Keep the character,Remove Specialist System,Bring Back Class system.

[@MM_45]

Also be able to differentiate who’s friendly or enemy instead of both teams having the same exact character look

[@alexm.a.d892]

Or maybe make specialists like heroes from battlefront 2

[@ALX_6.11]

@@MM_45 damn,you're right

[@ALX_6.11]

@@alexm.a.d892 that would works. But people would've complaint much,because basically that's the same like siege where recruit is ur default op and doc,monty,tachanka,and friends are special ops with cooler skins.

[@Web720]

Nah, use the NPC/Bot models instead. Apparently they are very different.

[@ArtKM]

The "quick throw" option for grenades can be found in the gameplay settings. It is off by default, forcing you to pull them out and then throw. Im not sure why they would do this when it has always been ON by default in previous games.

[@RS_Redbaron]

For the spam?!

[@ArtKM]

​@@RS_Redbaron Grenade spam has always been something they design AROUND. Giving the player a grenade, and the option to throw with the normal mechanic means they had to intentionally add another layer of complexity between the player and their gadgets. Its another example of the careless changes they made to 2042 that separates it from ever other modern battlefield. Its a uniquely bad choice too. Throwing grenades on G has been a staple of not JUST the BF games, but literally every major franchise for a reason. What bothers me most is that they have been building each game to be an improvement on the previous. BFV had unique climbing and parkour which built on the vaulting mechanics of BF1 and Hardline, BUT then 2042 comes out and they SCRAPPED PRETTY MUCH EVERY INNOVATION THEY MADE to the games, AND messed with the players controls. Sorry for the rant, i really hate to see such an influential game series end in such a horrible mess.

[@devonmarr9872]

What is bizarre to me is that BF4, BF1, Battlefront 2 all look amazing with a good concept direction for visuals. The ball really being dropped

[@thesamon71]

21:50 BF2042 have not entirely remove the "one clic" grenade throwing. There is a thing in settings called "grenade quick launch" (or something like that) that allow players to throw a grenade by simply press G

[@Ziakel]

Why they didn't default this or letting players know is a mystery. Lots of weird creative decisions with this game.

[@MrLinkDay]

I played the whole beta without knowing that, and my character randomly picked a grenade when I looked down, wich was weird.

[@deadman1367]

I couldn't find it on the console version :(

[@Evanryd]

Yeah but on ps5 I end up throwing bith

[@samhyatt4863]

@pit lord no I didn't ever get that feeling. Its better than bf4's orange filter.

[@Swickful]

I've seen no one else speak about the running animation so glad someone else mentioned it. It just looks cheap - like it's ripped straight out of a mobile game.

[@sebastianmuenzberg4197]

Exactly, felt so off!

[@pessiescobar4707]

Glad i didn't pre order this game

[@alriv827]

@@pessiescobar4707 same

[@gamboldo1]

EXACTLY MAN. I am thinking same since the first gameplay trailer

[@ChandranPrema123]

Funny how COD Mobile has Tactical Sprint

[@TheGreatPooyah]

BF4 was so good… all they needed to do was emulate that game for 2042

[@APCBaab32]

Sadly, the new gun sounds have a lot of bass ( like every modern game these days ) but i guess it's popular with impressionable people with bass boosted headsets. It does not sound bad, just not as satisfying as a snappy round going off.

[@dragonscales4377]

As a person that has actually fired a few of these weapons, I felt exactly the same way.

[@dansands6363]

*flashbacks to playing BF3 on war tapes audio at max volume intensify*

[@jaybeam1466]

Have you ever fired a weapon?..

[@Falconsman14]

Every gun sounds the same in 2042. The sound almost seems muted in a way.

[@geheimagent0009]

Exactly!

[@GnomishFireworks]

came here to say BF4 sounds like you aren't wearing earmuffs, and BF2042 sounds like you have earmuffs on, which i suppose is almost a more lore accurate decision

[@PABLOGELO]

The only sound that was better in 2042 are from the vehicles, a downgrade for a game who came 8 years later, that's just sad

[@Solaxe]

use the fucking wartapes mixing in the options, jesus christ

[@loosy_odt]

@@Solaxe exactly

[@CesarDaSalad]

I still have yet to understand why they would need to beta/stress test a "3-month old build" when release is just a month away.

[@Nick930]

because what they're testing is more than likely the server stability - especially with regards to the new "Crossplay" feature, the higher player count per server, and the implementation of AI bots to help fill matches.

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

yeah sounds fake honestly

[@MrMozkoZrout]

alleged 3 month old build or not, the release will absolutely the same as the beta. As it was with every battlefield release. The beta is nothing more than a demo.

[@grambo1980]

@@Nick930 I hear that. But how bad of a decision is it to make an old buggy build your first impressions.

[@bricolmane]

@@MrMozkoZrout exactly, people are making betas sound like Alphas or testing builds, when in reality. It's only used to demonstrate what the game has to offer, nothing more or nothing less will be changed in the last build

[@Keln02]

A friend of mine: "I've never felt like I had to prioritise targets" Me, a tank driver: hipity hopity get that C4 off my booty

[@MarmaladeSally]

I have to say i was underwhelmed by 2042’s visuals. Even with a 2080ti.

[@crazyassgamer1]

This game was a BR before becoming a traditional battlefield

[@milanioom]

This comment needs more recognition. Truly makes you think if they just ditched it mid-development and returned to "classic" bf.

[@MrMozkoZrout]

Yeah now with the introduction of Hazard zone it is clear that the game was designed more about that gamemode and it was probably supposed to have a BR as well but they decided to force this specialist system into a classical battlefield. Also portal kinda feels like them using assets from unfinished projects.

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

Much better I must say, BR formula needs to be changed or completely killed off

[@weirdeurasianboy8091]

@@Breakaway-ic5gj Even though I love Apex and Fall Guys, I agree

[@Rocksteady72a]

Said that one rumor post on reddit. Is there any _credible_ source for that?

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Man you really notice how generic 2042 looks when compared to BF4.

[@Desk-O-lorido]

maybe because battlefield 4 has a super weird color palette and I think that makes it more unique

[@donttouchmysoda6178]

@@Desk-O-lorido i dont think thats it tbh, just the map and art design of 2042 in general feels very stock and generic, even down to the character models

[@benjapizarro981]

@@donttouchmysoda6178 exactly

[@Desk-O-lorido]

@@donttouchmysoda6178 now I realize that bf4 it's like bf1 with that darker and colorless ambience while bf2042 has that more colorful and shiny ambience of bf5 lol

[@rifath8152]

@@donttouchmysoda6178 The same can be said about BF4

[@_M_o_n_k_e]

The revive animation should really be an amimation again where you touch the body like BF V did. That was a very positive thing in BF V

[@riskingmybiscuit4209]

No score bored. No destruction.

[@rifath8152]

They definitely took influence from MW2019's gunplay. They even made the same sprinting animation 3:36

[@dinamo7485]

Yes, Mw2019's Animation's were kinda like this.

[@ABxDragon]

But those sprinting animations were so better in COD Warzone. This game also ruined COD Warzone by copying the animation badly.

[@Juply]

There isnt that many natural sprinting animations you can make...

[@ABxDragon]

@@Juply I can understand that but why they also can't even copy properly. I am a 15 year old kid but still I can copy better. The game just also ruined Warzone by copying the animation disgustingly. COD Warzone running animation feels no where weird & feels like a action game where BF 2042 copied those things & ruined

[@level8473]

@@ABxDragon we have a cod fanboy over here, stop crying and play warzone, no one cares

[@LTF39]

I like the dark colors of bf4, it brings feelings and thoughts from the war itself: fear, death, despair, rivalry. Bf 2042 feels like I'm on vacation on an island

[@limitlessboy6423]

Exactly

[@maverick4655]

So would a black and white game be even better? Like it would definitely fulfill all your needs for a war game.

[@LTF39]

@@maverick4655 I could argue with you, but you've already started using the false dilemma fallacy, ironically known as black-or- white fallacy, just to disagree with my irrelevant opinion about a fucking game

[@joeyweed5399]

looks like a cod bo3 mobile ripoff with titanfall grappling hook

[@gregs6403]

@A V I I Z O N That's true, and I agree we can't judge the whole game based on beta footage. But in my experience color pallets are typically somewhat consistent throughout each BF game regardless of map. I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if other 2042 maps have gritty, raw feelings to them.

[@ACWoody]

This was a great video. I'm so glad to hear someone call them out for turning the Support into medics (17:27), which gave me a massive headache when playing the beta. I've always run ammo box and C4, so having one of those being taken away from me made me feel so lost. The UI didn't sit well with me either, but more so because of it's color palette. The blue and oranges feel much brighter than previous battlefields. Maybe it was because of how bright the map was or the lack of that gritty filter I'm so used to from BF4, but it just felt like it was difficult to see at times since it appeared to blend in slightly more. Also their lack of showing a controller diagram when changing controller settings left me guessing what the right buttons for everything were for way too long. My last complaint that I haven't seen as many people talk about is the current hit marker/indicator situation. In previous battlefields, you'd see small indicators that let you know that you got a hit off and how much damage you did. Maybe I didn't notice it if it was in 2042, but I couldn't tell for the life of me if I was hitting an enemy until they dropped to the ground. I'm really hoping Battlefield is taking note of the fanbase's complaints.

[@zack9692]

The "threat prioritization" problem you're talking about in 2042 was also there in BF5, any player could be any character model that was in their faction, I think the bigger problem is identifying friend and foe and a simple red patch on the arm isn't gonna fix that

[@dragan747]

Everything looks too clean in BF2042, Almost toy like. Bf4 looks and feels much grittier imo regardless of improved graphics.

[@andymontanez56]

You're joking right? Bf4 had the same exact complaints when it launched. Just look at shanghai. Nothing in that game looks gritty at all.

[@packlesswolf1]

Yeah it's called dated hardware and limitations.

[@yep3178]

In beta!

[@KaiserReb]

@@andymontanez56 lol yo the hypocrisy is so funny. These dudes just screaming to scream at this point

[@andymontanez56]

@@KaiserReb bunch of dumb kids everywhere screaming dumb stuff or echoing what others say. Im ready to just ignore comments and social media bro. Being a dev sorting through all this shit must be tedious

[@Nan01987]

Also I think most people missed this, in the options there's a way to make grenade quickthrow.

[@ussocomfreak]

Yeah but you throw both grenades instead of just one

[@Nan01987]

@@ussocomfreak never happened to me, must be a bug

[@Nan01987]

@pit lord what...what?

[@jacksonvondemkamp4679]

@pit lord pallete is fine and will change on different maps

[@Channel9iNE]

@pit lord are you good bro, you've been spamming comments for like 4 hours

[@bird_with_knives]

Great analysis! It's sad that this game hasn't actually changed that much from "old" beta. The animations are a GIANT turn-off for me, completely ruins whole immersion. These were actually one of the biggest reasons why I never play COD - the animations look ridiculous and battlefield's look absolutely gorgeous, and now it's just ruined - just because of this alone whole game feels like COD and I hate it. I guess it's safe to say that if I ever decide to get into cod - I'll just get battlefield 2042.

[@michaelpad7]

The fact you know about the ak12’s different models makes me extremely happy.

[@flipflopgleeci626]

Man that battlefield 4 sound design sounds so much better and far more advanced than 2042.

[@mhazg6621]

Because you're inobjective. Take your nostalgia glass off

[@SirNutty95]

@@mhazg6621 The 2042 just has a quiet bassy sound to everything where as the bf4 sound had some pitch differences not all washed out by bass.

[@HasNiHassaan]

Yess, it sounds more echoey and responsive to environments making it feel immersive, while in 2042 it sounds all the guns are fired in same sound controlled environment.

[@gargf8899]

@@mhazg6621 Glad you're not a developer, get a brain

[@berserk0018]

I agree, the sounds are more metallic and overall stronger, on 2042 they sounded the same gun with different bass setting.

[@DespondentDoomer23]

Right now Battlefield 4 is just better and feels more military game :))

[@Whachadoon]

Very true, that game was way ahead of its time.

[@daanoffline5716]

Yet a bf4 copy wouldn't be good

[@fragoutrambo6381]

@@daanoffline5716 I wouldn't say that. EA could of easily made DICE make a spin off for extra revenue simply by splicing BFV's mechanics, animations, and models with BF4's textures. Imagine.

[@averageyoutubeenjoyer9000]

Battlefield 3 actually does

[@viento7135]

Alrdy better yet the game isnt out yet

[@phregh9676]

I feel like to really save it, DICE needs to make 2042 FEEL more futuristic, to kind of get it across that this is a different game, in a different setting than BF4. It would give them a lot more room to add or keep some differences from BF4 that just seem unnatural right now. They could add some really goofy, fun, and cool stuff with the new creative freedom gained from that. I also agree with everything said in your video, fantastic review :)

[@kysotope]

lmao,. BF4's levolutions were not gimmicky as they literally changed the map in major ways. The ones in 2042 are the definition of gimmicky since it's only eyecandy with no use to gameplay.

[@pieppy6058]

as we all know rogue transmission definitely changed how the map plays by halving the height of a single sniper tower. wow definitely not candy at all. my man is a bf fan impostor

[@alexcollins8722]

Actually I agree, I was looking forward to this but am very underwhelmed by the lack of being able to shift a maps main focus. For example if we were able to break down half that tower in orbit or open up some of the concrete walls that line it, there are many levels to the building back barely any look out points unless you are on the ground or on the roof. Honestly everything just feels very lack luster.. I was looking forward to this so badly too! I want it to feel amazing but it just isn't.. I miss bf4 terribly!!

[@SwedeenXBL]

The weapon sway was the first thing I noticed when I deployed. It seems like such a small thing but it bothered me for the entire beta. So much nice things that have been added in, small details that just made the game way more cinematic. Like shooting the tank between trees and watching the trees bend and dust flying. Air resistance when sharp turning in a jet. Also noticed that when driving the tank I automatically prioritised enemy Mackay's whenever I didn't think they were teammates.. He looks the most like an engineer in my opinion and I honestly feel bad for the tank mains out there that will never be able to know who the highest threat is. Playing the beta I honestly had a blast. But it didn't hook me, I haven't really gotten the feel of "Wow I wish the beta was still live".

[@jordankerr3548]

I did 3 games got bored of it felt too similar to warzone for me and the vehicles feel more arcade

[@syedjunaidsher474]

So in the pursuit to make the game appealing to a wider range of audience they just ditched there own originality, i mean it is now somewhat apex+warzone type game

[@KaiserReb]

Yeah the games that make billions for being free. You surprised?

[@kylew6635]

@@KaiserReb exept you need to pay 80 bucks for this. I would be willing to pay 40 as there is no campaign.

[@user-tw3th6qp5y]

@pit lord just change color settings

[@shizukousapostle1stapostle710]

@pit lord better blue and green then brown and brown with a hint of brown and brown on the side

[@joeyweed5399]

@@shizukousapostle1stapostle710 do you really think of rainbows when you're in a battlefield?

[@drustanstabat1025]

The feedback I’ve been seeing from pc players is that the vehicles (heli’s in particular) feel great, but for me and my buddies on console they feel terrible, everything is so floaty and arcade feeling, it feels like we have none of the weight or speed from bf4

[@christiangonzalez6945]

Funny, it's backwards In 4, choppers and planes feel great with a controller, and really difficult on pc, hahaha that why almost no one master them on pc

[@ambstudios4564]

I can't tell what it is, but there's something about BF2042 that makes it look weird/worse no matter all the improvements. I know 2042 is better in almost anyway but I still prefer how 4 looks, and I don't know why

[@colinjensen3301]

It’s because it looks cartoony, toy-like and “clean” like a war in kid’s fantasy world. While Battlefield 4 is more gritty and realistic.

[@jAndrew3502]

I feel exactly the same

[@littlebrian3070]

It’s the overly exaggerated brightness for me. It was introduced into bf5 and I thought it always looked cartoony and washed out. The style they had going in bf1 is unmatched imo.

[@andymontanez56]

@@colinjensen3301 bf4 is none of those. Especially not gritty, bf1 takes that

[@nathanmitchell7961]

Polish.

[@stuffedmannequin]

I felt like making carbines universal in 4 was a fantastic compromise to the sandbox formula working with the restrictions of the class system. This specialist system is all over the place and messy.

[@KaiserReb]

The carbine system and dmr saved bf4.

[@hitterobr]

@@KaiserReb also shotguns

[@shelbyvillerules9962]

Considering that BF4 came out eight years before BF2042 I really don’t see the level of improvement you’d expect.

[@smokeythebandit4206]

Love how the sad music kicks in as you mention the specialists lol! Amazing.

[@Nick930]

Ha. That's not even intentional. It would be in my documentaries - but a lot of the times the comparisons just use a relevant track from whichever game is newer.

[@ZeeroDubs]

It's amazing how well BF4 holds up to this day.

[@euphoreonz]

bf3* was better than bf4 in nearly every way.

[@ZeeroDubs]

@@euphoreonz I disagree. BF4 launched pretty rough but after they got everything ironed out it was by far my favorite BF game.

[@jeezi6743]

@@ZeeroDubs в bf4 не было столько багов как в bf2042 я в бете участвовал.

[@ZeeroDubs]

@@jeezi6743 No habla

[@Malcontentmatt]

I don't think I can get past the inability to identify enemies vs teammates. If it launches in this state, I'm gonna take a pass.

[@nobody13o7]

I had zero issue with this and honestly had to have it explained to even notice it. Same with the classes that you can still do with swapping abilities fo the point it doesn't even matter not having a dedicated medic class. Still better than instant stim capping points in bf1 or people somehow thinking laying prone sniping an entire game is "fun" with bf3/4.

[@DevilsRadvocate]

Idk how much this will help but they said they’re gonna add red dots over visible enemies.

[@mateusz_0]

@@nobody13o7 youd like cod

[@nobody13o7]

@@mateusz_0 absolutely hate cod.

[@Taking_the_break]

I don’t like how they changed the class system and them taken out the request system like request ammo or ride but overall good video man I think you hit everything on the head

[@chase8d]

The sound design is so comical, the shotgun and the sniper in 2042 sound IDENTICAL 32:45 and 33:28

[@ding1466]

It just all looks so....bland, generic? It looks like a f2p game with really good graphics.

[@glitchadapt8681]

Cap

[@thedukeofdeathpt6262]

Enlisted but with a different coat of paint

[@Joe-rq9td]

It's the color pallets. Bf4 had a darker pallet, and Bf1 & Bf5 both had this muddy dirty look. 2042 looks very clean and shiny.

[@ramiere1412]

@@Joe-rq9td when bf5 released everyone said it was too bright you people need to make up your minds

[@maverick4655]

So basically it looks like warzone.

[@AITullball3333]

Seems like some of Dice's most talented employees have left the company. Maybe they didn't like the direction the franchise was heading.

[@ronathenjjohnson8346]

Exactly. Give it to DICE LA. They would give us a proper BF.

[@arbiter-]

I love how BF games are always early access titles. It takes them so long to fix, with some bugs never getting addressed. Real solid stuff... I won't be buying the game solely because of the "operators" same with call of duty vanguard. I don't care about your cosmetic skins, I want distinct factions that are easily identifiable. I do not want millions of skins for generic characters that end up being impossible to differentiate in the heat of things. Cosmetic skins have been a HUGE disregard to the most simple multiplayer game design principle, identifying the enemy team. Fucking idiots.

[@corbingray744]

Exactly 😂

[@raulrahaman9863]

Same I thinking I'm buying far cry 6 or just sticking with bf4

[@Diegoshadow85]

@@raulrahaman9863 far cry 6 is the same or arguably worse in some areas than 3. I couldn't stomach 5 already, I certainly wouldn't play 6

[@raulrahaman9863]

@@Diegoshadow85 but I never played any far cry before

[@crittergonya]

@@raulrahaman9863 then dont play 5/6, just play a classic one thats actually well-made

[@benw3029]

Thank you for pinpointing the weapon sway.. I couldn’t figure out what felt so bad. It’s like simultaneously sluggish but too fast

[@i-10haula88]

When they announced that they hired cod devs I knew that it would have a negative effect on this game. Movement is a downgrade from bfv and the specialist system is a mistake.

[@Yam-Yam45]

I haven't been paying attention to BF 2042 news ngl. They really hired CoD devs?

[@unspoken00]

I mean this really isn't anything new, people leave developing studios to join another all the time. You really think within the past decade DICE and Activision employees haven't been switching jobs?

[@i-10haula88]

@@Yam-Yam45 I thought that I responded to you with that link but I guess KZbin deleted my comment

[@Yam-Yam45]

Ah

[@i-10haula88]

@@Yam-Yam45 lol it did it again. Oh well

[@moritzrossbroich]

The vehicles feel waaay better in Bf4. I don't know what they did to the jets and helis in 2042 but they used to feel a lot more crisp and less sluggish.

[@DBMarine5809]

Best overview so far. DICE has a lot to learn from this. I remember playing BF4 just as I got out of the Marine Corps. When I heard the audio from driving the vehicles off road it took me right back to the real thing. Same with the echo from firearms. Am I mistaken or has DICE LA been in charge up until BF5? I could be wrong but I feel like DICE LA delivered better.

[@irshadtyo]

DICE LA made Medal of Honor 2010 & Medal of Honor Warfighter 2012. They usually assist on developments for DICE and their dlc's

[@finw-k6805]

Rest in peace first person knifing animations, * insert date here-2021 *

[@Jordan-iz2dk]

The sound design of 2042 really seems lackluster when compared to bf4 in my opinion, at least for the weaponry and infantry equipment. For instance, the sniper clip, c4 and rocket clips seem much more realistic in terms of echoes in reference to the spacial environment. Pretty underwhelming, hope it’s just a beta thing..

[@spartanB0292]

I was actually genuinely shocked at how bad the comparison was. I'm not one to notice sound effects, but when you put them side by side... Jeez, this is something DICE was supposed to be known for.

[@damp2269]

i think is a mix bag, the sniper sound of 2042 is worse but the glock and the dmr do sound really good.

[@PABLOGELO]

@@spartanB0292 Yep, even BF3 sound design is better than this. Their dynamic weapon sound considering if you are in closed or open space was a marvel at the time, DICE had the perfect sound design, impossible to improve and they didn't need to change a thing, but look at us now, 10 years later and got downgraded

[@vertigo10yearsago25]

Just remember battlefield 4 came out in 2013

[@itzmrman3574]

What he said in the intro didn’t age well lmao

[@salvatoredelilleorlansino5332]

22:08 does anyone else feel like the players grenade is leaving his hand way sooner than it should? like throwing anything from your hand it will leave your hand at the very last second but here it is throwing way sooner. I hope they work on that a bit cause the throwing animation feels odd. Although I did like the detail of the safe of the grenade detaching midair

[@splinterborn]

Played the beta and didn't gel with it. Recently played BF4 again and had a blast. that says it all to me. I'm disappointed and cancelled my pre order but at least I'm saving money. Keep BF4 alive!

[@R-View]

You are the reason we cannot have nice things.. not all elements are even in the beta. It just gave us a taste of the game.. I cannot wait to have the flight suit.

[@salvageddoor]

@@R-View Since it left such a bad taste, why bother keeping the preorder? If they want to give us nice things, they must try to deliver in every possible way. And the beta wasn't even their worst yet.

[@blank6184]

@@R-View No YOU are the reason we can't have nice things, pre-ordering games is an awful practice. Rewarding companies for releasing unfinished games.

[@R-View]

I can appreciate all the responses. Everyone here has a good point but judging a book by an unfinished demo, would cause most developers to give up on this practice. Probably releasing games in an even worst state.

[@yourewallsareveryconvenien8292]

STOP. PREORDERING. GAMES.

[@WAMMO-qb1cc]

Tbh, i like bf4 gun sounds a little bit more, i like the sharpness of the sounds more than bf6s deeper sound affects. But that's just me.

[@berserk0018]

I like more BF4 sounds but BFBC2 better, in 2042 they sound all almost the same and cannot understand what weapons are shooting where in BFBC2 I could literally tell what weapon was

[@maceddiess]

BFBC2 was king. I could tell what gun was shooting me before seeing it. That or I just put way too many hours into it lol. Good old 360 days.

[@MrGipiem]

Bf 6?lolllll

[@joshuanawrocki2994]

Battlefield 4 still and will always blow my mind with how good it looks. It was IMO a perfect game, definitely not from launch but as it grew it just got good.

[@mercya3981]

I really like your description. It’s like watching upgraded version of Jackfrags!

[@RockSolitude]

Even though this game is a visual improvement over Battlefield 4, it's not a big one. In fact it's worse than Battlefield 5 in some ways.

[@fuckthisbs]

Definitely, compared to other ps5 games like Spiderman or Demon Souls, this looks like a ps4 pro game. It's only in a few environments that it actually looks 'next gen'.

[@cheez3184]

@@fuckthisbs what? ps4 pro, what an odd comparison

[@marcosgojira7553]

Games stopped being impressive since BF3

[@slarpyy1403]

@@fuckthisbs you're comparing games like spiderman which are dramatically less intense to run to a game like battlefield which is known for a ton of crazy ass shit going on like mf tornados and rocket explosions homie. that comparision wasn't that good but I do see what ur saying.

[@fuckthisbs]

@pit lord They always add a weird color grading to their games, except bf5 or bf1 which looked pretty good and natural, not so saturated with certain tones.

[@SeDi343]

I did not understand, why they didnt use the system they had in Battlefront for the specialists. You earn points as normal solder and can buy the use of a specialist with a given amount of points that you previously got.

[@supermcspotty]

That'd be a good compromise compared to the titans who either were op af or trash.

[@lustrazor44]

Or just not bother trend chasing and make a goddamn battlefield game for once.

[@alexvb436]

thats actually a really good idea

[@wewhogame8747]

Just no!

[@SupERsNipAa327]

that way there is classes and the specialists can choose whatever loadout they want!!! we cracked the code

[@nosteponsnek2617]

I can tell you one thing I immediately noticed was how much harder my PS5 was working to cool itself vs BF4 and even Warzone. The fans were on the highest speed like I have never heard them before and the cabinet my console sits in was steaming hot. There is a lot of processing going on in this game.

[@johnsams1388]

I actually never took the time to thank you for your awesome content, it's always a joy to watch, your analysis are direct to the point and very well done , so here it is! Thank you again, keep 'em coming :) !

[@Byeahman]

They released a survey asking about a lot of these issues, which has restored some faith in the game for me. I’ll only really gain hope again if they delay it.

[@Byeahman]

@Altair it was by email, not everyone got one. It’s also over now, so even if I had a link you wouldn’t be able to fill it out.

[@AmirAmjad1995]

Damn battlefield now use that shaky reload animation like been used in cod.

[@dylanmclaughlin8765]

How is battlefield 4’s explosions so amazing ?! Literally looks like a 2021 game

[@chromebullet101]

Finally something that explains how I feel about bf 2042! Cancelled my preorder right after I tried the beta. Idk how they’ve managed to take several steps backwards. They also got rid of the campaign and want to charge $70 despite all of this? Insanity. Idk how so many people are defending this game, especially other bf fans that have played the far superior past releases of the series

[@jaybeam1466]

You realize Battlefield hasn't always had a campaign, right? The ones we've had up to this point have also been pretty mediocre. I suppose someone could make a case for BF1's stories or the first mission in BF4, but that's really it. I'd much rather DICE invest that time in an area that will actually be played (multiplayer.) It's funny, but no one seems to care when a game only features a single player mode. You can count on everyone losing their minds when a multiplayer only title is announced though. I'm not a fan of these $70 price tags either. Especially when DICE will be attempting to nickle and dime everyone to death after launch. We definitely agree on that.

[@yuranabdul7081]

the amount of glitches 2042 has is funny. especially the parachute one. It's only 1 month away from launch but it feels like it needs another 8 months. PS. the 2042 UI sucks

[@enjoi9970]

Lol it doesn’t need another 8 months. I was on base ps4 and still found it very playable. UI always get fixed around launch as well.

[@yuranabdul7081]

@@enjoi9970 was not very playable for me. Sound design felt inexistent was messed up and everyone include me had a parachute on while running and hit registration was inconsistent and textures where popping resolution was janky and when i walked far away from some destroyed things on the ground the would be wiped and base texture would reappear

[@enjoi9970]

@@yuranabdul7081 Those are really all problems when it comes to a beta. I care mostly about design choices and core mechanics.

[@yuranabdul7081]

@@enjoi9970 there are some improvements but removing classes is a bad choice. Hope this won't be another cyberpunk cuz right now it looks like one and it's EA they like pushing games when they not 100% polished

[@enjoi9970]

@@yuranabdul7081 They didn’t remove classes. They just changed how they worked. Like I said the beta was still playable for me on base PS4 while cyberpunk on a PS4 at launch was very unplayable so idk how the game will turn out like cyberpunk if it already runs better than it with a beta.

[@amd1055tify]

Hey Nick930, next time turn off "Antialiasing Post" in BF4, makes the game far more sharper and crisper with it off.

[@KizaruB]

Yes. I only use AA post when I’m playing on low resolution for performance and can’t stand the jaggies.

[@HasNiHassaan]

@pit lord ok stop posting it to every comment damnit!

[@Jimmy-3294]

Great review man! I think you hit all the issues right on the head. As a long time battlefield veteran, this game really does feel strange to play. Playing this game made me realize how much I enjoyed BF1 with art style and just the way it feels.

[@chairianariq6721]

I really don't like the third-person takedown. It doesn't feel as real and satisfying as in BF1 and BF5 even if they added other animation.

[@steventaumoepeau601]

Jesus BF4 is 7 years old and still looks good in comparison. I dont know why Dice just do BF3/4 Remastered

[@euphoreonz]

DICE only gives us remasters in their 'new' games, it's unlikely we'll ever get a proper remaster out of those bastards. Here's Portal, with BF2042 gameplay. No, we want the originals ffs.

[@DweezlePeePants]

I don't remember BF4 being a fan favorite, but maybe now it's aged well compared the BF1, V and 2042. I miss the actual campaigns from BF, but I guess if you can sell half a game for full price and include microtransactions then why not, it worked for Battlefront 2015.

[@HayateAzekura]

It become a fan favorite after a year. Even before that the game was fun and core BF was there. I left BF after Hardline and BF4. I never cared for WW games. So BF1 and BFV is when alot of peope kinda of moved on. While BF1 sold very well it didnt have have long last appeal like BF4 or BF3

[@damn6039]

Bruh after BF4 was fixed it was and still is a fan favorite, it just wasn't that way on launch and after BF 2042 was announced dice had to increase server capacity of BF4 because more people went to play it BF4 by many is considered to the best battlefield of all time and it's easily visible in this video as to why, bf 2042 looks so generic almost as if it's a Chinese knockoff of battlefield with gimmicks compared to BF4

[@Bogwalloper]

it's funny seeing the jet go zoop while he's talking about the water effects

[@ItsCleto]

Sticking with Battlefield 4. Still extremely fun and immersive, keeps me up late nights.

[@michaelblum4557]

Awesome video. BF2042 has this overall pretty brushed, metallic look. Everything has this matte quality that looks almost cartoonish. That paired with some of the bizarre design decisions, the overreliance on UI for cues (even the in-game sound doesn't give me the gameplay cues I need to make decisions - and DICE sound design is usually beyond reproach!!!), and the major step back in terms of environmental destruction (another DICE calling card) make this game seem terribly underbaked. The fact that they pulled support for two games AND opted out of making a campaign for this game to deliver a quality product doesn't make any sense. Unless, of course, it was just another marketing ploy. I say all this and I'm still curious to play more. Also very interested in Hazard Zone. Firestorm brought some of my favorite moments in BFV, so we'll see.

[@MasterHobbes]

Quick note, Any Specialist can defib ANYONE at any time. Not just the medic specialist.

[@HashinItOutt]

no, just their squad mates unless they're the German lady

[@sirpaj9700]

I think bf4 still holds up to todays standards, but i think bf1 and bf5 looks the best of all bf games

[@skinnyflea2628]

This was a great video. Makes me think I would have been much happier with a rework of bf4.

[@giovanegas5710]

There was actually a setting that let you quick throw grenades but you wouldn’t be able to just pull the grenade out if you just wanted to look at it

[@DanielLangeYT]

This^

[@Punisher6791]

"Sprinting into battle wearing High Heels" can this be DLC? i'd pay for it.

[@the2ndarbiter972]

Currently put 26 hours into the Ultimate edition's prerelease that started November 12th, main release on the 19th. So far the game has no Campaign, 7 2042 maps, and 6 maps from previous titles. According to alot of people things have gone much smoother this launch than for battlefield 4, but 4 also had more content. The store is empty and you can't do microtransactions yet, all weapons\gear\skins and attachments are gained through kills and other numbers instead of battlepacks. 2042's levelution is only present with the 7 maps getting twisters, rain and sandstorms every so often. The one exception would be Discarded, as its middle cargo ship can have a side of its hull torn down by cables on rollers. For portal maps, Caspian Border still has its tower falling and the destructibility of terrain and buildings are basically as expected with the game those maps came out with. Balancing wise all weapons and vehicles almost perform the same including 1942 content. In Portal, a Tiger 1 and Sherman Jumbo have the same armor and firepower as the T-90 and Abrams, disregarding the addons and different shells for the latter. Though thats easily pinned on balancing, even if its not realistic. In multiplayer you can't switch teams, which I think is because since you're using the exact same stuff as the other team, why would you? But that also extends to Portal. So if you want to play as the US in a 1942 conquest and you get put on the german team, or even to play with your friends in a custom game, you can't unless you tempt fate by reconnecting. Content wise, the game is split in thirds. 2042's multiplayer has what I think is a quarter of the content 4's has across its classes, guns, and achievements. In hindsight I might say half because of how much 4's DLC adds to the game without really thinking about it. A couple operators are level locked, logically being Mackay and Paik (one can go anywhere and the other has wallhacks). Dozer has had his shield removed from the start of the release because of an invincibility bug. There's still motivation to reach unlocks as there always was, but instead of purely xp related unlocks you have to do stuff like get 1200 kills with grenades or 60000 damage with the sentry for some stuff. Basically passive goals for the lifetime of the game. I haven't played Hazard zone yet, but my friends all say the same thing, that its Dice's attempt to compete with Warzone's model, while using some ques from other games like Escape from Tarkov in completing objectives, and then getting out of the map alive. Nothing particularly new. Portal can be argued as the better half of the experience, since it takes a few of the most popular weapons and 2 maps each from 3 previous titles, and allows you to mishmash them several ways you want. But there are still issues that carry over from 2042 being the parent product. I'll also need to mention there is no infantry focused map or gamemode yet. So no meatlocker or Metro hustle. Day 1 of prerelease had xp farms in Portal pop up that caused Dice to nerf xp gains in Portal matches, so that doesn't exactly count. Dice definitely has tailored 2042's gameplay to have a lot of similarities with how COD has pushed its gameplay since 2019, and you can argue that the nonsensical speeding run and gun was with 4 as well, but things are not changing in a good way. I think Dice is probably going to attempt to milk the same cow as COD. Lets hope that full release on the 19th either comes with a bit more content, or that the DLC will be damn good, cause the game feels like its missing some pieces of its foundation.

[@the2ndarbiter972]

sorry for the word wall, but just to add, since the beta the UI did change slightly, but there's still glaring issues like notifications crunching the screen and clunky loadout and server lobby info. also you can change colors for teams and neutral points, but even if you put a Hot pink marker over friendlies, in CQB you can still get easily confused with who's friend or foe.

[@ducky3427]

campaign was confirmed not to be in this game ):

[@AstaIsAMonster]

*B4 was a 5/10 at launch but after a few patches got it up to a 8.5/10.* 💪🏽

[@kastle3322]

One thing I really liked from BF4 onwards was how much you could feel the environment, for me especially when its stormy rainy weather you can almost feel the coldness in the wind with the sound design and visual effects, they really nailed that in the Singapore mission in Bf4 and when the weather changes to stormy in the beta

[@versace6609]

Ong this is exactly what I've been trying to say about BF4's style

[@8x5t3e7s4r6y]

Yeah, loved feeling every Little rock and being stuck all The Time. BF4 is a great game but The movement/gunplay is dated ashell

[@louismartin7608]

I really hope Dice devs will dissect this video, every problem I had with the Beta are perfectly explained here.

[@jesse78156]

Have to remember too that Battlefield 4 came out on the 360 and PS3 as well.

[@leveltrucks6705]

Every soldier should just be an anonymous guy with hidden face

[@Uncritiquable]

Just a heads up, there was an option in game to change the grenade control back to quick throw.

[@goofball1_134]

Should be default but that's good

[@mikebraithwaite6537]

The only downside to the quick throw is if you use scroll wheel to go through inventory you can inadvertently throw grenades'

[@saint8707]

It’s still pretty clunky. The character takes it out, holds it for a second, then throw it

[@mikebraithwaite6537]

@pit lord thanks

[@catinusz.4741]

@pit lord real world has more colors than camras make them out to be. just step outside and go have a walk in the park.