How U.S. Air Cavalry Evolved in 60 Years

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@BattleOrder
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@farrazaulia2917
@farrazaulia2917 Жыл бұрын
Great video man
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
Thank-you for this video. I had asked a couple times specifically for this. Most of what I could find on the internet only covered the Viet Nam days and not changes made.
@admiraltiberius1989
@admiraltiberius1989 Жыл бұрын
Id love a comparison between US Air Cav/Air mobile doctrine in the Cold War and their closest Soviet counterparts.
@Skiper747_2
@Skiper747_2 Жыл бұрын
Vdv heli assault?
@jamalwilburn228
@jamalwilburn228 Жыл бұрын
Don't get Air Cavalry mixed up with Air Mobile. Air Cavalry is the use of helicopters in reconnaissance and scouting. Air Mobile is getting troops, equipment, and supplies to the battle though helicopters and morphed into Air Assualt. It's a safer and more precesise way of getting troops on to the battle quickly rather than parachuting
@admiraltiberius1989
@admiraltiberius1989 Жыл бұрын
@jamalwilburn228 that's why I put the slash mark between the two. But thank you for the clarification.
@BorgCoitus
@BorgCoitus Жыл бұрын
​@@admiraltiberius1989soviet doctrine was quite a bit different. Air mobile forces weren't theorized to be used to secure objectives like airbases, bridges and the like, but to be dropped in the operational depth of NATO formations, and used as spoiling forces against counterattacks aimed at stopping Soviet Army thrusts. Where NATO air mobile forces were expected to drop some distance behind lines and take key objectives, Soviet drops were much shallower and a closely operating part of the deep battle offensive.
@admiraltiberius1989
@admiraltiberius1989 Жыл бұрын
@@BorgCoitus excellent summary, thank you very much.
@gallendugall8913
@gallendugall8913 Жыл бұрын
I worked with some air cav guys during Haiti, yes, I know no one remembers Haiti. They refused to explain to me how they trained the horses to fly a helicopter.
@justachipn3039
@justachipn3039 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@ericdeer5887
@ericdeer5887 Жыл бұрын
Apples
@leef8433
@leef8433 Жыл бұрын
My dad worked with a guy who went to Haiti as a Seabee
@uku4171
@uku4171 Жыл бұрын
@@ericdeer5887 The first thing they teach you in air cavalry - "The horses love your SAC". Sugar, apples, carrots.
@ericdeer5887
@ericdeer5887 Жыл бұрын
@@uku4171 we leaned that the Warrant Officer pilots could be trained with cigarettes and coffee.
@FirstDagger
@FirstDagger Жыл бұрын
I really love those new isometric graphics, really puts the size of the Apache into scale.
@1masonhenry
@1masonhenry Жыл бұрын
It’s a 20,000lb turd
@tommy_boy2472
@tommy_boy2472 Жыл бұрын
Alot smaller in person than you'd think
@MrSharkmissle
@MrSharkmissle Жыл бұрын
They’re about 58’ long and around 17-20000 lbs fully loaded. Also they are super finicky and maintenance heavy.
@geodkyt
@geodkyt Жыл бұрын
The Vietnam era1st Cav "Air Cav" was really an "Aerodragoon" formation. But most folks don't understand the critical differences between "Cavalry" and "Dragoons" or "Mounted Infantry". Heck, an IFV platoon, fighting mounted, is closer to Cavalry than the Vietnam era air mobile. 1st Cav basically fought as airborne infantry, only with "two way" parachutes in the form of the helicopters. The post-2015 Air Cav formation actually does "Cavalry stuff", as opposed to "Dragoon stuff".
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
The original Dragoons, back in the day of horses, were supposed to be infantry that got around by horse. But calvary was more glamorous than infantry and horses associated with nobility and so they became a light calvary.
@Lancasterlaw1175
@Lancasterlaw1175 Жыл бұрын
@@recoil53 Well also in peacetime regular dragoons got very good at riding horses, so it was a shame to waste those hardwon skills as infantry. Training horsemastership and battlefield horse riding took years, are you going to provide some amateurs horses to be cavalry over long service professionals?
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
@@Lancasterlaw1175 Only infantry defends and holds ground. That's the value of horse mounted infantry, to quickly seize ground and hold it until reinforcements arrive. It's like paratroopers on a tactical level before airplanes. And all that was lost.
@Lancasterlaw1175
@Lancasterlaw1175 Жыл бұрын
@@recoil53 Problem is, scouting and mobile shock were really hard to train for and is often in very short supply, particually after long periods of peace, so in the case of a sudden war dragoons often found themselves pressed into those roles. The only place where you see mounted infantry persisting is areas with a massive middle class equestrian culture, who cannot afford full size millitary horses. Of course after a long period of war it is a different ketttle of fish
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 Жыл бұрын
Arguably they're more like horse archers (I mean longbow is literally in the name), which would make modern highly survivable attack helicopters like the Apache akin to an Eastern Roman Cataphract. Nikephoros Phokas would be proud.
@jamesscott2894
@jamesscott2894 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Would def love to see more Army Aviation, I know they've reorganized the UH-60 and CH-47 a fair bit recently (like how do the fancy EH-60 and HH-60 fit in nowadays? What about the UH-72 Lakota?) Looking forward to the next video, the graphics and production have been stellar lately!
@JS-gg3kh
@JS-gg3kh Жыл бұрын
Lakotas are just trainers and state side light SAR / light utility.
@dianapennepacker6854
@dianapennepacker6854 Жыл бұрын
I'm more interested in how the Valor is going to shake things up. You have an amazing aircraft that can out run and out range basically all your legacy aircraft. So does that mean there are going to be missions without others? I haven't even seen a concept of what an attack version will look like. I am told will happen eventually unless they decide to make an entirely new aircraft. Hope it goes the Cobra route though! Gut the interior and load it with turrets. Basically a slimmer version with the standard attack helicopter set up.
@Bilbs654
@Bilbs654 Жыл бұрын
There are no more EH-60s
@classifiedad1
@classifiedad1 2 ай бұрын
@@dianapennepacker6854I think that’s what the attack version of the Valor would be. Basically a tilt rotor MH-60 DAP.
@196cupcake
@196cupcake Жыл бұрын
Vietnam era "pink" teams were basically "hunter/killer" teams, right? I remember a History Channel documentary in the '09's on the Vietnam war, and they talked about how the cobra would stay high and they would send the scout helicopter to go low, trying to draw fire, and then the cobra would attack after the enemy had given away their position.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
Yes
@samuelhowie4543
@samuelhowie4543 Жыл бұрын
They also used a heavy team with 2 gunships up high in areas they knew were "hot".
@1cavscout160
@1cavscout160 Жыл бұрын
I was an AO (left seat) in an OH-58 in the 1st Cav in ODS. We flew with Cobras performing reconnaissance and calling targets for the Cobras to shoot. Great video!
@flyoptimum
@flyoptimum Жыл бұрын
Air Cavalry pilot here. Just a minor correction on combat leadership roles within a troop. The troop commander and platoon leaders are administratively in charge of the troop and their respective platoons. They're involved in managing maintenence, health and welfare of troops and pilots, accountability of property, mission planning, and generally ensuring the troop remains a properly resourced and well-managed organization. They are generally not, however, combat leaders when the aircraft are in the air. The platoon leaders are amongst the most junior pilots in the troop. Most of them do not make Pilot in Command (PC), who is the senior pilot within a crew responsible for the safe operation of the aircraft, until right before we lose them to take on a staff position. Increasingly, though not by design, troop commanders come back from the career course having not yet made PC, and they themselves are junior pilots within their own aircraft. Even with the commanders that have made PC, they are typically junior PCs and will not make Air Mission Commander (AMC), the pilot responsible for the safe and effective employment of all aircraft within a flight, until later in their command tenure. So with all of that said, warrant officers make up vast majority of the PCs within a troop. The senior warrants, a few W3s and sometimes a W4, are the majority, and certainly the most experienced, AMCs availible to the troop. They will be the ones tasked with leading the aircraft in the fight. None of this is a criticism of the professionalism and skill of the regular officers, as they are very often impressive individuals. Flying and leading aircraft in combat is simply a very particular skill-set that takes a long time to master, and they are at a significant disadvantage compared to the warrants. This is because the warrant officers have uninterrupted time with the aircraft to grow their skill-set, and the regular officers will be pulled away frequently to take up staff positions and other assignments to broaden their experience so they may more effectively run aviation organizations at more senior levels of command.
@silasbland4515
@silasbland4515 Жыл бұрын
As an Air Cavalry pilot with 26 years in the U.S. Cavalry; I must say that you made an amazingly detailed and accurate summary of the leadership roles in the Air Cavalry.
@edgaraquino2324
@edgaraquino2324 10 ай бұрын
Yes...excellent....
@Tetredron
@Tetredron 3 ай бұрын
“Just a minor correction” proceeds to drop a four paragraph essay😂
@jakadajj
@jakadajj Ай бұрын
As a current air cav LT, this is true. I wouldn't change it for anything though.
@shorttimer874
@shorttimer874 Жыл бұрын
In 1971 I was in D Troop, the ground troop, of 8/1 Air Cav Squadron, part of the 194th Armored Brigade at Ft Knox. We had 8 jeeps per platoon with pintle mounted M-60s, the only time I remember the lowest ranking man on the vehicle had the main weapon, and boy it could get cold winter time standing up above the windshield, another jeep for a 106 recoilless rifle, and a 5/4 truck with a 82mm mortar plus the platoon Sgt. I would guess there was another jeep for the platoon leader but really do not remember. Most of the time we supported the officer`s Armor School, supplying bodies for runners and such, using the mortars for artillery practice, and jumping out of the squadron`s Hueys to demonstrate insertions. That winter we convoyed over to the area surrounding Ft Bragg for an exercise with the graduating Green Beret class. Damn cold, the only time our troop had contact was in a pre-arraigned ambush, but I understand the choppers had a lot of fun following the trails in the snow.
@Gator-357
@Gator-357 Жыл бұрын
My dad and uncle were Air Cav/ Air Mobile repectively. Dad flew C model Hueys and uncle Charlie got transported by the slicks. I was armored Cav support with the 96th TC/ 533rd CSSB /1st Cavalry Div. during Desert Storm, followed the armor across the desert with fuel trucks because they outran the supply lines.
@RandoPyro
@RandoPyro Жыл бұрын
I was in 3ID's Apache battalion during the transition period. Interestingly enough our Kiowa unit didn't adopt Apaches, they straight up disbanded. And then shortly after they cased their colors, we were reflagged with their old unit name and lineage. I believe an Apache unit in Europe was given our old Aviation unit name and lineage, but I'm not sure if that was a new battalion or another reflag.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
Yeah I kept it with a simple explanation of the transition because there was a lot of attack helicopter bns reflagging as Cav, other battalions disbanding and being replaced by other reflagged units or completely new ones, etc. Got a little bit confusing in the original draft
@THEBOSS-xi2oj
@THEBOSS-xi2oj Жыл бұрын
That happened to my unit. 2-17 CAV, 101 ABN. I cried like a little girl when they got rid of the Kiowas.
@MrSharkmissle
@MrSharkmissle Жыл бұрын
If you’re talking about 3-17 and 1-3, It was a reflag.
@higgs923
@higgs923 Жыл бұрын
It might be fun for you to touch on the history of the USMC's vertical envelopment initiatives.
@roboanalogtom
@roboanalogtom 10 ай бұрын
I was in the mortar section of A troop 1/7 air cav (reconnaissance), 1 cav div in 1988. The other troops were choppers. A troop was 19 deltas with the M3 but everyone was often 19 delta dismount (I did more FTX time like at the NTC as 19D rather than 11C). The helicopter rides were a lot of fun!
@ejn1011
@ejn1011 Жыл бұрын
As a current LTC who spent my LT days as a 58D driver and an Air Cav PL, this video is such a breath of fresh air. The use of doctrine and operational terms and graphics...chef's kiss! I even saw one of my helicopter (Tail 975) and my unit (2/6 CAV) in this video! The nostalgia is real! Thanks for putting in the work to get this right.
@johnlaboone6063
@johnlaboone6063 6 ай бұрын
C TRP 4/7 AIR CAV,1984,recon/blues plt.First duty station at Camp Stanley & the Blackhawks arrived the next day.
@Makem12
@Makem12 Жыл бұрын
You may think me silly, but I honestly clicked on this video hoping to see horses with parachutes
@richwalter3107
@richwalter3107 2 ай бұрын
How about cows with guns backed by chickens in choppers ???
@1337flite
@1337flite Жыл бұрын
If you ain't cav- you ain't. Cav - real cav (ground or air) i.e. units designed for recon, screening, covering force and the like - are my favourite units, being combined arms teams with all arms organic. I really liked the organisation of 70s and 80s cav squadrons with blue teams and ground troops. The ultimate in combined arms. Thanks for another great video - I love your work. When I was a 15 year old army cardet (junioer ROTC??) I used to spend my spare time researching and dreaming up unit TOEs. This is a topic that has been near and dear to me for a long time (pre Internet).
@ga3521
@ga3521 Жыл бұрын
That always fascinated me. A 2LT in a cav platoon for much of the cold war era would have had at least a pair of tanks, a mech infantry squad, several jeeps with scouts and a mortar section under his command. Other branches wouldn't get that kind of experience until company command several years later.
@ktiger1766
@ktiger1766 Жыл бұрын
Armor Cav is the combined the tanks, troops armor fighting vehicle, mortar tracks together plus squadron artillery & a tanks company support and have a engineer company too, with the air cav chopper scouting at the front plus have a regimental supply and support maintenance units is the combined multiple arms troop's, smaller size than any combat brigade!
@armynurseboy
@armynurseboy Жыл бұрын
​@@ktiger1766yup. An armored cav squadron is essentially a mini armored brigade. An ACR was essentially a mini armored division.
@HKSFMinerva
@HKSFMinerva Жыл бұрын
8:18 Soundtrack: Thirty Seconds Out · Ramin Djawadi Medal of Honor (EA Games Soundtrack) aka the Apache Attack Mission. Good Taste for the subject matter at hand.
@Oxide_does_his_best
@Oxide_does_his_best Жыл бұрын
WE'RE SO BACK. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
@edgaraquino2324
@edgaraquino2324 10 ай бұрын
The "pink" teams were also known as "hunter-killer" teams....
@DevonLv
@DevonLv Жыл бұрын
It’d be cool to see a comparison between USMC Light Armored Reconnaissance and US Army Armored Cavalry
@ktiger1766
@ktiger1766 Жыл бұрын
The Marines LAV is light & fast for recon, but the Army ACR is heavy & more fire power with tanks and cfv
@ktiger1766
@ktiger1766 Жыл бұрын
Marines is no match to the Army recon level because without tanks 😮😅
@armynurseboy
@armynurseboy Жыл бұрын
Army armored cav did recon by fire. Essentially moving forward until you ran into the enemy and got into a meeting engagement. ACRs were designed to be able to hold their own in a stand-up fight until they could turn the fight over to the follow-on elements (usually an Armored Division).
@armynurseboy
@armynurseboy Жыл бұрын
​@@ktiger1766yup. Army ACRs were designed to find the enemy, pick a fight, pin them in place, then turn the fight over to a bigger element to finish them off.
@CrowDawg11
@CrowDawg11 Жыл бұрын
@@ktiger1766 Marine LAR is not designed to go toe-to-toe with a full-scale, heavy armored formation like army ACR. LAR is just that - recon. LAR is much closer to the traditional definition and role of 'cavalry' - reconnaissance, screening, raiding, and harassment - than army ACR formations, which are essentially just armored units that the army has decided to label as 'cavalry'. Of course the ACR is much more capable in a stand-up fight - LAR is not meant to be getting into a stand-up fight with a heavy unit like that.
@spudnikflyover1227
@spudnikflyover1227 Жыл бұрын
Technically speaking, the air assault elements were closer to dragoons than to actual cavalry.
@jasonrusso9808
@jasonrusso9808 Жыл бұрын
Like real Dragoons from the 18th & 19th Century. How dissimilar are they from Uhlans, Hussars, Cuirassier, Conquistador, Arquebusier or Schwartz Reiter?
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 Жыл бұрын
Actually they were cataphracts.
@jasonrusso9808
@jasonrusso9808 Жыл бұрын
@@hedgehog3180 their weaponry was quite pussy.
@sapprdaddy
@sapprdaddy Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your hard work doing the research for this presentation.
@Paddman
@Paddman Жыл бұрын
i literally was wishing for a video about this from you yesterday... thank you so much
@Blank27
@Blank27 Жыл бұрын
As someone who spent 4.5yrs in a Kiowa unit with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I can share some insight into one of the units you mentioned. 1-10 from the 10th Mountain Division was originally designated as (iirc) 3-3 from 3 ID and had relocated and switched places with 3-17 Cav (my unit) which was originally based in Ft Drum. In a 3CAB's deployment to Afghanistan in 2009/10, the Battalion/Squadron level units were all broken down into task forces which consisted of a company/troop of OH-58, AH-64, UH-60, and CH-47 along w/ HQ, maintenance, and supply Co/Troop
@dw7094
@dw7094 7 ай бұрын
I used to be Aero-Riflemen 11D, in a Aero-Rifle Squad. When all was said and done 11D was turned over to 19D Armor Branch and the Aero-Riflemen squads were eliminated. All of us 11D's were reclassified as mechanics and truck drivers. Infantry and Armor were all at full strength.
@Balrog2005
@Balrog2005 Жыл бұрын
Oh yes, this channel is the best ! Thanks for all the good work.
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt Жыл бұрын
This channel is insanely good; great production, all content. No idea how it doesn't have more subs.
@joshfuss777
@joshfuss777 Жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to the armored cavalry video. Girlfriend's dad was in 3/11 ACR watching Fulda
@taun856
@taun856 Жыл бұрын
I served in the 6th ACCB (Air Combat Cav Bde) at Ft Hood in the mid 1970's. It was an experimental unit at the time, used to develop Tactics and Doctrine. Though I was in the Signal Troop and spent most of my time there out in the field working from a RATT rig (Radio Teletype). That was one reason I loved being in Signal Corps you could be assigned to literally any type of unit, anywhere in the world.
@patrickbec68
@patrickbec68 Жыл бұрын
Correct and it continued experimenting with new tactics and doctrine after it received its first Apache squadron in 1986.
@nemo7840
@nemo7840 Жыл бұрын
Actually dope video, i can't find much vids on this topic
@TheLiamster
@TheLiamster 10 ай бұрын
I wish the Comanche had entered service so the Army had a dedicated scout helicopter
@shawlacy634
@shawlacy634 Жыл бұрын
Great video - full of information as usual! But my pet peeve is the pronunciation of "cavalry" as "calvary". It took me a while to listen past my pet peeve. 😅
@kiligan713
@kiligan713 11 ай бұрын
The fact it would sometimes change in the same sentence drove me up the wall. Glad to see I wasn't the only one.
@dfsafsadfsadf
@dfsafsadfsadf 2 ай бұрын
It's maddening! Seriously distracting.
@eddietat95
@eddietat95 Ай бұрын
He keeps pronouncing it "ka-vel-ler-ree" instead of "ka-vul-ree" most of the time. It reminds me of "noo-klee-er" vs. "noo-kee-lur" of which one is clearly wrong in any part of the world.
@lzcontrol
@lzcontrol Ай бұрын
It's an all-Baptist mounted unit.
@Drtydeeds
@Drtydeeds Күн бұрын
He’s not even saying that. He’s saying cav-la-ree. I can’t do it. Lol
@WeebSpecGaming
@WeebSpecGaming Жыл бұрын
Currently in 6-17 cav. very cool to see how our 3x 2-ship setups came into doctrine. Great work!
@tylerlawlerDEVGRU
@tylerlawlerDEVGRU Жыл бұрын
Cav Patch is the biggest patch the Army has to offer.
@mr_beezlebub3985
@mr_beezlebub3985 Жыл бұрын
2ID is also a large patch
@BasGamer-zu4rl
@BasGamer-zu4rl Жыл бұрын
Another super interesting video, thanks a lot.
@farrazaulia2917
@farrazaulia2917 Жыл бұрын
Cool video man
@AF65WA
@AF65WA Жыл бұрын
Great evo vid!!
@Brice0525
@Brice0525 Жыл бұрын
It would be great to see the Armored Cavalry Regiment breakdown. Fascinating multi-role unit with a lot of combat history
@armynurseboy
@armynurseboy Жыл бұрын
They already did a breakdown.
@LEWTSPEC
@LEWTSPEC Жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to get a second video showing how many logistics crew and vehicles were attached to these units for fuel, ammo, and others?
@anubix9011
@anubix9011 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Just came from 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, FT Cavazos (Hood), Texas. I was in the Air Calvary Squadron 7-17. You mentioned the Squadron as 4-227 it was redesignated around 2015-2016 I think. The number you gave for the Air Cavalry squadron was off though. At least for 7-17 I don’t want to go into detail of the number of apaches for 7-17, but 1st Battalion 227 our heavy attack battalion has 24.
@seanmurphy7011
@seanmurphy7011 Жыл бұрын
8:57 - weirdly, when there is no "M" we say "Tee, Oh, and Ee", when the "M" is present we say, "M-Toe". Weird, but true. 10:18 - 1-1 CAV of 1st Armored Division (Germany) still had AH-1s in 1996 when they transitioned to AH-64s (while deployed to Operation Joint Endeavor).
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
The Army said put those toes away
@KellyNico-h7e
@KellyNico-h7e 11 ай бұрын
You have every right to be angry, but that doesn't give you the right to be mean.
@dongraf1222
@dongraf1222 Жыл бұрын
Great overview
@diasulhaqisya954
@diasulhaqisya954 Жыл бұрын
helicopter helicopter
@archiegeorge3969
@archiegeorge3969 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I especially liked the soundtrack.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
Patreon monies going to Epidemic Sound
@13thravenpurple94
@13thravenpurple94 Жыл бұрын
Great video 👍 Thank you 💜
@parryyyt8479
@parryyyt8479 Жыл бұрын
Maybe something about Polish ariborn and air cavalry? We have very little of them but the mix of NATO and our own structure is interesting how every airborne battalion have it's own specialization (6bpd have recon, 18bpd have firefighters, 16bpd have eod and more) Whole equipment and tactics are interesting
@edgaraquino2324
@edgaraquino2324 Жыл бұрын
Good video! Thanks!
@sanderstensrud7839
@sanderstensrud7839 Жыл бұрын
Yet another great video! I was wondering how the channel and your interest in the field came about?
@Mephistopholies
@Mephistopholies Жыл бұрын
Good show.
@eralorn.7
@eralorn.7 Жыл бұрын
Hi ! Amazing content, as usual. Even if I cannot have the audacity to ask you for specific content, it would be extraordinary if you can make a full video to talk about the helicopter uses of the French Army in Algeria, which largely inspired the helicopter uses of the US Army. France was a pioneer in heavy weaponry on helicopters, used in fire support, as well as in the development of medical evacuations by helicopter for wounded soldiers, without forgetting the drop-off of commandos in the Algerian hinterland. The Algerian War was undoubtedly the first concrete laboratory of the military use of helicopters. The USA have long observed French trials and successes in developing the doctrine for the use of helicopters in US Army. Thanking you once again for your amazing content. Greetings from France. 🇫🇷 💪🇺🇸
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
Just ask him directly. I asked for Air Cavalry a couple times in his pinned post. It took the better part of the year, but now I have the video.
@andrewpizzino2514
@andrewpizzino2514 Жыл бұрын
Wonder how well air assault would have done in an 80s Cold War scenario. The Army lost many helicopters against light infantry in Vietnam. Against the Soviet Union they would have faced mobile, modern air defenses.
@nobodyherepal3292
@nobodyherepal3292 Жыл бұрын
Pretty well I’d say, as a lot of those air defense systems have turned out not to be all they were worked up to be.
@andrewpizzino2514
@andrewpizzino2514 Жыл бұрын
@@nobodyherepal3292 hopefully. And the Black Hawks and Apache’s were certainly more survivable
@TheTrueAdept
@TheTrueAdept Жыл бұрын
@@nobodyherepal3292 Think Serbia when discussing the effectiveness of WARPAC air defense, not Iraq, not modern Russia, Serbia.
@nobodyherepal3292
@nobodyherepal3292 Жыл бұрын
@@TheTrueAdept you mean the same Serbia that was bombed by NATO all the way to the negotiating table?
@TheTrueAdept
@TheTrueAdept Жыл бұрын
@@nobodyherepal3292 by basically going where the air defense wasn't and hitting civilian targets. Serbia's IADS won that conflict as it only lost ammunition and a handful of radars; they pretty much still had everything despite what NATO attempted. NATO Airpower got its ass largely handed to it. NATO only 'won' via terror bombing and backpeddling _hard._
@justnotg00d
@justnotg00d Жыл бұрын
I like the video. Aerial Scout (19D15F) in OH-58 Helicopter, Combat Aviation Troop, C&C Squadron, 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment 1977-1981 Feucht Army Airfield, Nuremberg Germany. Brings back memories.
@Barundus
@Barundus Жыл бұрын
Nicely done. At 15:05, you've got it exactly backwards, though. KW in lead, down low, scouting. Apache in trail, in overwatch, ready to pounce. Just like the pink teams you highlighted from the Vietnam days. Also; the heavy DIVCAV was badass. Scouts Out Forward Garry Owen
@christophersims7060
@christophersims7060 Жыл бұрын
Always love the helicopters! This was just a so informative! Great picture of American Aviation, thank you you've got a new subscriber!
@shareefkhan2787
@shareefkhan2787 Жыл бұрын
I was a Ground Scout 19D with 2/10 Air Cav. First time we had a HQ and 3 Air Cav Troops. B, C, D troops. 85 Total Helicopters.
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 Жыл бұрын
I've been following helicopter forces since my high school days (Class of '75) and I delved into the late Forties experiments with helicopter mobility and helicopters as fire platforms. This video suggests that Long Bow can do more than direct helicopter fires from defilade firing positions. It seems as if regular tube artillery, rocket artillery, smart munitions by tactical aviation and B-52 bombers, naval gunfire and even mortars in leg infantry battalions can be networked in by Long Bow and a fire direction center. This capability exists for unarmed drones, so why not with Apache gunships? It is an extension of the 1938 Time-on-Target Fire Direction Control systems that during WW2 used L-4 Grasshoppers (militarized Piper Cubs) to lay waste to anything moving below. Helicopter-borne infantry has replaced glider infantry and to a large extent parachute infantry--the Airborne divisions still existing have greater reach than helicopters right now but are not as flexible and responsive. This presentation was on Air Cav, not Air Mobile--so the lack of riflemen is understandable.
@rodneygillmeister8003
@rodneygillmeister8003 Жыл бұрын
I was with the 1st. Cav. BRAVO 2/20th ARA ( BLUE MAX) in Vietnam for 2 tours. We had 12 AH1G's cobras.
@umami0247
@umami0247 Жыл бұрын
Was in 7/17 6th air cav at Ft hood till 82. Never learned what happened to the unit they we’re saying it was to be moved to Germany but haven’t heard if that happened. Crewed both the OH-58 and a Huey. Had a great time working on and flying.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Жыл бұрын
Great video...👍
@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw
@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw Жыл бұрын
SGT. E-5, M.S. “Archangel” Smith UH-1, Huey M-60 Door Gunner Alpha Troop, 1st Squadron 9th Cavalry Regiment “Sky Troopers” 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile) “First Team” An Khe, Vietnam -1969 (Garry Owen) “Get Some”
@sparks2spare782
@sparks2spare782 Ай бұрын
My dad was 1/9 Air Cav 69-71. Marshall Smith from Arlington TX. His MOS was helicopter mechanic but was also a door gunner and LOACH gunner/observer.
@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw
@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw Ай бұрын
@ We probably chewed the same red dust. Welcome Home to your pop.
@tomaszskowronski1406
@tomaszskowronski1406 Жыл бұрын
17:08 Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge
@SHVRWK
@SHVRWK Жыл бұрын
I see you used the helicopter mission soundtrack from MOH 2010 haha, really appreciate that detail.
@flyonwall360
@flyonwall360 Жыл бұрын
I just happened to be sitting here watching this video while wearing my 1st Cav hat. 1st Cav 1988-89. 101st 1985-86. Air Assault!
@christianpethukov
@christianpethukov Жыл бұрын
The one fact that stood out to me is that the Apache units only have some airframes equipped with Longbow, when I thought they all had them.
@flyoptimum
@flyoptimum Жыл бұрын
It would be overkill as one fire control radar can transmit targets to the entire team. Also understand everything on a helicopter is a trade-off. If you add the the radar, you have to give up something in terms of weapons and fuel to allow for the extra weight. There are also some seperate configurations that cannot coexist with the radar that bring differend capabilities to the flight. Having a mix of aircraft configurations makes the team more versitle.
@christianpethukov
@christianpethukov Жыл бұрын
@flyoptimum Essentially one Apache becomes the scout and that's augmented with the drone buddies. I like that!
@jackbloomer1334
@jackbloomer1334 Жыл бұрын
I like how they come up with all these crazy names to reduce the amount of helicopters used
@alanaldpal950
@alanaldpal950 Жыл бұрын
So, in summary…. The main take away is that as soon as they complete a re-organization…… they start another re-organization
@paulsnickles2420
@paulsnickles2420 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah choppers
@RandoPyro
@RandoPyro Жыл бұрын
I know you did WW2 Navy landing parties awhile back, and saw on your site breakdowns of some Army sea transport units that operate ships. Ever thought about doing breakdown vids on WW2 USN/USCG ship crews or weird modern units like the CG's Port Security Units? I'd certainly be interested.
@RandoPyro
@RandoPyro Жыл бұрын
I'd also love to see comparison of different military police formations and a discussion of their different battlefield roles. I know the US Army uses them for "maneuver enhancement" aka route reconnaissance and clearance, convoy/route security, and of course base security. Curious to see if other countries stick to that script, especially in those MP formations that are their own branches (French Gendarmerie, Italian Carabinieri, etc.)
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
Possibly although I haven't seen that many good ship's complement lists. The only ones I've personally seen online were like destroyer escorts and LSTs during WW2
@RandoPyro
@RandoPyro Жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder Yeah unfortunately I've seen that too. The war years were too chaotic I suppose, and many ships took complements much bigger than they were originally designed for. Best one can hope for is a ship that served before the war maybe having a good publicly available list, and just guestimating where the extra men would've gone in wartime.
@zee7056
@zee7056 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious to see what this all looks like when the V-280 Valor enters service.
@Swagmaster07
@Swagmaster07 Жыл бұрын
I didnt know horses needed helicopters! 🤯 🚁🐎
@ilf5788
@ilf5788 Жыл бұрын
Good video, but just to point something out. Thumbnail style matters, very few people look at the channel name, and look at the title and thumbnail instead if you have a distinct thumbnail style (like you typically do) your fans and people will pick up on that, and will be more likely to watch your videos because they immediately know you made it, when the thumbnail deviates from your style, people dont recognise its you and are less likely to watch it.
@DarkRyderWhisky
@DarkRyderWhisky Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you were able to make this without even mentioning 3rd ACR aviation. Which was probably the most leaned upon aviation during OIF.
@cjthebeesknees
@cjthebeesknees Жыл бұрын
Army Men: Air Attack 3DO games in early 00s really got my 6y old pip squeak love of rotary aircraft going, might be pissing in the wind haha.
@MrSharkmissle
@MrSharkmissle Жыл бұрын
I was in C 1-10 during the dual airframe years. Your synopsis is pretty close to spot on, only thing I have to mention is the gray eagle companies in modern day attack battalions.
@MrNukehead1
@MrNukehead1 Жыл бұрын
the russian helicopter tactics would be a interesting video because i dont think much is know from them, from soviet era to current day
@ChasRize
@ChasRize Жыл бұрын
In my last unit in we were the 2nd combat avaition brigade and under that was 3-2Gsab (general support avaition battalion) 4-2 assault recon battalion 602nd avaition battalion and 5-17 air cav squadron and we also had 2 other ground units on different bases so learning about this is actually interesting to me
@niccosalonga9009
@niccosalonga9009 Жыл бұрын
I was imagining horses with wings.
@user-nl4ir7cx5r
@user-nl4ir7cx5r Жыл бұрын
As you should. Genetically engineered herds of Pegasus chimeras may sound highly unethical, but think of how cool it would be
@ktiger1766
@ktiger1766 Жыл бұрын
🦄😂
@bronzecossack
@bronzecossack Жыл бұрын
Hi nice video! Could you maybe do a video about training? The tactics and maneuvers the air cav do?
@Kevan808
@Kevan808 Жыл бұрын
Just say "Cav" bro. Much easier 👍🏼🐴
@hardcaselj111
@hardcaselj111 Жыл бұрын
playing TNO right now, AirCav my beloved
@topcatandgang
@topcatandgang 7 ай бұрын
1st Cavalry Division began when it was constituted on 1 September 1984. the first air cavalry started training for helicopter assaults at Fort Benning Ga. in the late part of 1964. the 11th air assault was at fort benning when i arrived in 1964, i was sent to the flightline for support. when the first cavalry arrived the 11th air assault merged into the cavalry and the mission changed to the first air assault. i was sent to vietnam in february of 1965 to the 52nd combat aviation bn. the first air cavalry followed later.
@bagatur8810
@bagatur8810 Жыл бұрын
My brain just melted.
@benitkutchka9663
@benitkutchka9663 Жыл бұрын
I loved it. I was a 19d with the 101st
@patrickbec68
@patrickbec68 Жыл бұрын
Great video! However, no cavalry squadron in Europe in 1991 had Apaches which deployed to Saudi Arabia. The confusion may be because some attack battalions attached to Combat Aviation Brigades such as the 12th and 11th CABs were designated as cavalry squadrons but these had the normal Attack Bn TOE of the J Series structure. In fact all the Apaches in Desert Storm were employed by Attack Battalions, including 5-6 Cav, 3-227Avn, 2-1 Avn, 3-1Avn, 2-227Avn, 2-6Cav and 4-229 Avn from US Army Europe. The Air Cav troops used OH-58C/ Ds and AH-1S/F Cobras only.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
I think that’s what I was thinking of, thanks
@gernblansten684
@gernblansten684 Жыл бұрын
The ATKHB of ODS included OH58 and UH 60 as well.
@patrickbec68
@patrickbec68 Жыл бұрын
@@gernblansten684 yes correct, attack battalions had 3 UH-60s and 13 OH-58C/Ds in addition to 18 AH-64s if I recall correctly. But the discussion is about divisional cavalry troops in aviation brigades, not attack battalions .
@gernblansten684
@gernblansten684 Жыл бұрын
Sorry. There was some mention above of the “cav” designated brigades (11 and 6 Cav) that had subordinate squadrons, but were actually atkhb formations. No intention to derail.
@patrickbec68
@patrickbec68 Жыл бұрын
@@gernblansten684 hey no apology necessary, I’m just so happy to see other people interesting in Army aviation!
@theJellyjoker
@theJellyjoker Жыл бұрын
My grandfather (Colonel Dale M. Liggett) was part of the formation of the US Army Air Cavalry, he had something to do with areal recon I think.
@Fang70
@Fang70 Жыл бұрын
19:21 That's an interesting change to the MTOE.
@indianajon7980
@indianajon7980 Жыл бұрын
Have just found this channel and love it! Thanks for the great content it's really interesting and I love that you include the various models used and not just a generic 'huey' or whatever. Question. When you discuss the introduction of the Cobra you show it with a crew of three and I was wondering why? Did they have a designated ground based crew chief or similar? Thanks again.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
When a third person displayed next to a two-man aircraft, it's a ground crew chief assigned to that specific helicopter. On Hueys and stuff the Crew Chief also flew in the back
@indianajon7980
@indianajon7980 Жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder that's brilliant thank you. I did wonder if it was something like that but didn't realise there was one specifically designated but it makes sense thank you.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
@@indianajon7980 I think at one point they stopped pairing specific crew chiefs with specific helicopters in the TOEs, but a crew chief would generally be responsible for a specific helicopter regardless
@johnd2058
@johnd2058 Жыл бұрын
12:30 Note that the divisional structure is coming back. ARMY 2030 BABY, READY FOR ANYTHING!
@SubVet84
@SubVet84 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I had no idea that the Army was intellectually capable of such complex organizational units. I personally believe that the more complex something is organized, the more likely there is to be micromanagement. My experience was in submarines. Since over 95% of the enlisted on submarines are NCOs, their is little micromanagement, and a lot of autonomy. In the event that an enlisted person arrives to their first submarine before they are a NCO, they are still treated as equally as anyone else. On a submarine, rank has little importance. The only thing that matters is if you are qualified to wear the submarine pin. You have 1 year to earn it, or your sent to the surface navy. Everyone is on first name basis, except the commanding officer. Enlisted and officers often drink and party together, and no one cares. The chain of command is based on what you are qualified to do, not your rank. As an E-5, I was in charge of my sonar division. There were 3 E-6s and 3 E-5s that had a lot more time on submarines than I did. However, I out qualified them and was chosen to lead the division by my chief. I will never understand why some branches think an E-4 has authority over an E-1, just because of rank. When I did a tour as a recruiter, I was blown away by how seriously people took rank and tried to use it as authority. I also learned that outside the submarine service, most people aren’t allowed to socialize with other ranks. I thought it was ridiculous and chose to ignore it. I would drink with and socialize with coworkers, future sailors that just signed up, and applicants considering joining. I did get in a lot of trouble for it and ended leaving the Navy when that enlistment ended.
@codyandrex152
@codyandrex152 Жыл бұрын
That's interesting. I was told the enlisted in the Navy "worshipped" the officers like gods. In army aviation, knowledge mostly outweighs your rank. Long-time E4s and three-timers E3s may have more maintenance experience than your reclassed E5 or E6s. That is the case until they start throwing their ranks around and everyone gets pissed. We also had a warrant trying to argue with an engine shop E6 about engine troubleshooting. Never understood why people liked to argue with experts in their arena.
@meat-hook
@meat-hook Жыл бұрын
Air cavalry was a dangerous job when they were just on horseback.
@fred1barb
@fred1barb 10 ай бұрын
Interesting retrospective, thank you, But please work on your pronunciation of cavalry-- ka·vuhl·ree I was a scout pilot in the Air Cav Troop of two cavalry regiments, 2nd Squadron, First United States Cavalry Regiment (founded as the First Regiment of Dragoons) and the11th Armored Cavalry Regiment. The organization of both troops was similar, the aircraft were similar, and the missions were identical. 2nd of the 1st was an armored cav regiment in the 2nd Armored Division. The 11th ACR was an independent armored cav regiment with its own area of operations, though it was on occasion opcon to the 1st Cav Division. Although the 2nd of the 1st was historically a dragoon (mounted infantry) regiment, that distinction did not exist in an Air Cav troop. The air cav troop of the late 1960s had an aero rifle platoon, that might seem dragoon like. They rode in on Hueys and dismounted to work as scouts or ambushers, then rode out on Hueys. This was all within the standard cavalry mission. One of the things said about an armored cav regiment was that every trooper had a ride, an ACAV, a tank, a self propelled 155mm, a Loach, a Huey or a Cobra.
@geewee1geewee197
@geewee1geewee197 Жыл бұрын
Great video again! I've only recently discovered your channels and they are a gem! I've been kind binge watching them, lol. I have a bit off topic question: how many soldiers are in a BEB and BSB in the current brigade combat team organization? I've searched everywhere but couldn't find an answer! Thank you and keep up the good work.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
If you go on my website battleorder.org/archive under the Archive page and 21st century, there’s these things called MCOE Supplementals. The 2016 ones will show how many people are in the BEB and BSB
@geewee1geewee197
@geewee1geewee197 Жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder Thank you!
@nikolashumphrey-howell2478
@nikolashumphrey-howell2478 Жыл бұрын
"Cavlary" not trying to be mean it just got me a bit giggly
@durandus676
@durandus676 Жыл бұрын
The US army is one of the largest airforces if you count Helis
@ccarroll4339
@ccarroll4339 Жыл бұрын
Oooh, 10th mountain :) 14:37
@TheFunyCornMan
@TheFunyCornMan Жыл бұрын
My great uncle was a Sergeant in 1st air cav during 'Nam. Cool shit
@TheRandCrews
@TheRandCrews Жыл бұрын
Can anyone point out what helicopter is on 2:45 Is it a OH-13 or OH-23 and I don’t see much of them having information of using rockets or missiles due to their small size.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
Looks like an H-13 to me
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