BattleScroll & FAQ Review - Warhammer Weekly 12222021

Join us for another week of news, rumors and all things Warhammering! This week, we are digging into the battlescroll and the associated winter FAQ. Was it what we hoped for? What is good, what is bad and what do we hope to see next time?
0:00 News
9:30 Pick of the Week
14:30 Hobby Time
20:30 FAQ Summary
42:00 Specific Changes
1:28:45 Kragnos
1:46:00 Kragnos
2:26:30 Archaon
2:37:00 Points
3:15:50 Future
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[@rowandecker8473]

I like couch-Tom's energy. It's up there for me with cigar smoking vacation tom 😀

[@VinceVenturella]

Indeed.

[@escapo6895]

Re: Coalition, the writing is definitely on the wall that the days are numbered for the few synergies that do remain solely based on the god keywords. When the Blades of Khorne 3.0 is released, you can bet that every reference to KHORNE keyword will become BLADES OF KHORNE, and nothing outside of that book can benefit. For my part, if they would just design a set of warscrolls that feel like they are worth taking, I don't really care. If I can take a Mighty Lord on Juggernaut and feel good about it, I won't care that I don't get any synergy with the Karkadrak or Manticore.

[@VinceVenturella]

Absolutely, what we want is the scrolls in these books to be worth taking. :)

[@CinderfallGaming]

Cheers for the shoutout Tyler! We wanted to showcase as many new units as possible for Nurgle, was really fun to see them in action. Also mini of the year for me Gaunts Ghosts followed by Sigvald.

[@VinceVenturella]

The Ghosts will be popular.

[@RadioFreeHammerhal]

Rating on the BattleScroll: What WAS there: 8 What WASN'T there: 3 Overall: 5.5 I think the changes they actually made were really good and pretty spot on for what will help with toxic things in the meta. The big problem is what didn't get addressed.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, this seems pretty dead on to my own feelings.

[@lukask7887]

Pretty sure they're avoiding warscroll changes because they want to sell current (invalidating as little as possible in the book) and future (huge improvements over the old outdated books) books. Point changes are the finest instrument they have - not a sledgehammer. Maybe Dragon Ogors could see play in Hedonites?

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, at this point, almost anything would be better than using actual slaanesh units. ;)

[@dafruk1]

I liked.the sylvaneth chat. The drop in points opens up new army builds, to lose with.

[@VinceVenturella]

Nailed it.

[@jjnumber10]

Love saying the opening line along with Vince. “Another episode. Of warhammer Weekly”. Yesss man. Feels hype!

[@jjnumber10]

#ifitswednesday

[@cidahl7005]

Steamed warhams? What is that, a Nuln expression?

[@jjnumber10]

@@cidahl7005 oh not a Nulner, no. It’s a Hochland expression

[@VinceVenturella]

I will be releasing my sing along album next year. ;)

[@IceNineOcean]

I just got Lauka Vai and a unit of zombies to run allied with my nighthaunt to solve the lack of monster problems before they dropped the Nagash changes, and now he solves a lot of those same problems, lol. I still think Lauka is interesting, just different, and I think the resurrection shenanigans are probably just better, but ultimately Lauka is just there to be a monster and have an improvable save, and between endless spells and her warscroll spell, she has spells to use without having access to the nighthaunt lore, which as you said, is crazy good, I'm running 3 wizards + Lauka now, lol. She can now be my endless spell caster on turn 1 before the charge mitigation is relevant, and that charge mitigation combined with shackles feels like a lot of effectively controlling the shape of the battlefield. Still, gonna have to get Nagash now and play around with that. Also, I agree with Vince on points, they work a bit better as a balance mechanism in 40k because the points are a more granular, but I feel like they're just carrying the same mentality with points from 40k to Sigmar, where they actually function pretty differently between the two games. You can't just cut or add a model or upgrade here and there, it has a knock on effect to the entire roster

[@VinceVenturella]

Totally agree on the points, well said.

[@drzephy]

My thoughts throughout the episode: -BS gets a 5. Some good changes. Some boring ones. points are like ??? -I quite like the idea of this more "official" looking update that casual players can download easily. I dont mind having a theme for all of them either. -I dont mind this being a quarterly thing if its a small thing that doesnt change points but does 1-3 significant things Finally happy holidays to warhammer weekly. I really love this show and cant thank you enough for it :) ps: I'd love a show on basic strategies as I'm slowly starting to get into the game ^_^

[@VinceVenturella]

Basic Strategies is a great idea, have to think about how to do that. :)

[@redsven7624]

Listened again when a bit more awake and a few thoughts on balance 1) Frequency, we should push back against quarterly only reason for it is either the game is so balanced minor tweaks to spice or a substitute of an expectation of producing a balanced project. As it the latter we should be pushing for a better product first time. Also frequent changes put of players that don't game frequently 2) universal artifacts either need to be a universal tool kit, a different/fun not overly powerful army, or gone 3) Coalition needs balance game wise, so change if applied universally is good. However, theme list should also be available ... allowing cross faction but with pre-set alliance abilities and fixed pool of units. 3) Kragnos still not fitting visually frustrates me as that overwhelms rules appeal. I am excited by Nagash in Nighthaunt but points are tight, so it's not auto include I think. There maybe a weird FEC build. Archeon feels right and hopefully reduces his presence a bit. 4) just no to 5 point tweaks when game is in current place, it's a time waste. 5) overall a 4/10 nothing particularly bad in what has been done but a lot of bad prioritisation, not enough boosting of lower armies, ignoring npe. Not suggestive of a strong grasp on the game

[@VinceVenturella]

I think all of these points are really strong.

[@stuartmc4422]

Happy Christmas Vince, Tom, and Tyler!

[@VinceVenturella]

Happy Christmas to you. :)

[@People3004]

Kragnos will also help Bonespitterz a ton. 18'' charge on Pigs, Big Stabbas and Rouge idols is fantastic. Big stabbas especially, since they lost run and charge.

[@VinceVenturella]

I hadn't even thought of that, but that is interesting.

[@Pennydude99]

Can do Kragnos, 2 Warstomper, 2 Babies for 2000pts. Make on Warstomer 40 wounds and re-roll saves and the other the Mantle of the Destroyer to give everything sans Kragnos the 3D6 rerolling charges.

[@VinceVenturella]

I love this.

[@cmckinley22272]

It was good to see all three of you together and hear your thoughts. It feels bad to say it, because I'm sure there are passionate and dedicated people working on this, but it feels like someone threw the point changes together to give the appearance they are doing something. As you rightly noted most of those point changes will have no impact on the game.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, exactly.

[@daswookie79]

Vince going hard in the paint with an Altered Beast reference

[@VinceVenturella]

I played that game A LOT. ;)

[@StrengthHammer]

Finally, #JusticeForMorathi in knowing all of her spell lore! For too long was she denied!

[@VinceVenturella]

I watched that original trailer like 30 times this weekend because it just struck me to do so. Still the best trailer they've ever done.

[@HurtPower]

Biggest high five to Tom. Nighthaunt Bros my brethaunts are back baby

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, it's a good day for NH

[@KountKristyl]

Amusingly the points changes to the Hedonites mean that the Christmas battlebox is now just sub 1000 points (and I wonder if that was part of the rationale). Off the top of my head points values for them: Blissbarb - 150, Painbringers - 130, Slaangor - 100, Twinsouls - 150. Is it a band aid? Absolutely. But if you're bleeding you'd rather have a plaster than an open wound.

[@VinceVenturella]

Those would be closer, I would probably put the Blissbarbs at like 125, but hey, I'm a madman. ;)

[@deerspirit7560]

Beasts changes: some good stuff, bestigor not going down seems weird though. Need a new book bad. Gitz: confusing, so much needs to go down, but barely anything changed. Really need a new book, more than beasts imo. Amulet change is good, but no changes to mortal wound shooting keeps the same bad current meta, but now big monsters can't actually get there. Would have liked 6+ ward, 5+ instead against mortals

[@VinceVenturella]

No disagreement here, new books when?

[@matthius519]

great video this week, painted the whole way through!

[@VinceVenturella]

That is awesome!

[@emilymegan40]

Happy holidays gentlemen! Glad to see the WW triforce together :)

[@VinceVenturella]

Our powers combined!

[@Farmers-Almanac]

I really hope they don't end up crippling fulminators. They are a pet unit of mine and them being possible battleline was my biggest wish for the new battletome. They finally feel usable. Would really like to see the other dracoths become just as usable though

[@VinceVenturella]

Oh, I don't want them crippeled, we had said 10 points up on them and 10 down on the others to make a real difference in the delta.

[@oakshand149]

started at a 7 and have been slowly going down as I digest the changes. Kragnos changes are cool but still not enough imo. Probably just gonna make some broken combo that doesn't work by intention but by RAW yet he'll still not see enough play to make me happy. But he's one of my favorite models so I'm glad i can put him down on the table now. Overall it's not anywhere near the changes we saw in the 40k dataslate. They had a legit meta upset in 40k because of it but I don't see the AoS meta changing much other than Archaon not being all over the place.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, it was not what I expected.

[@Curran_Kleen_Brown]

Just caught up. Great show, and honestly I think the next balance patch should just focus on shooting units. Also, better terrain rules when? They've shown they can write them in that fun winter battlefield rules they came up with. This can be the second fix to good shooting, along with fixes to the problem units and abilities

[@VinceVenturella]

Yeah, I think the Terrain Thing should just be a whole release, make it a book, I don't care, just put it out there.

[@Curran_Kleen_Brown]

@@VinceVenturella Agreed. I'd pay good money for decent terrain rules

[@OpticFusion]

For Kruleboyz I was hoping for Gutrippaz to drop in points, they are so overcosted. The killbow needs a new scroll, I haven’t had mine do any decent damage. I still wont take Gobsprakk at 280.

[@GaryP336]

You sir...are a man of culture. Couldnt agree more..

[@mathijskrijgsman2240]

I don't play competitive, but he's a game winner for me: a decent anti-caster, all the while still being capable of ruining the backline of your opponent, with just a tiny bit of Boltboyz support. Does he have less power projection than a Sludgeraker? Definitely. But he's way more capable of controlling the battlefield with the above mentioned skills and the reroll for redeploy For me, the 20 points decrease means I can swap in a breakaboss for 10 hobgrots & a nigh useless murknob; that's a great deal for me.

[@PigeonCrash]

Me too. Or rather I was completely expecting them to drop in points. I'm a bit baffled by how lightly it seems the rules team has looked at the state of the game.

[@VinceVenturella]

Gutrippaz need some serious help.

[@C1redgun]

I’m a carrier for USPS in a large city with a major university in it. From my understanding (so take it with a grain of salt) the shipping fiasco is doing somewhat better. However, we’re still delivering packages two or three weeks late. Not everything is this late of course but it is still happening. Of course it’s peak season for this industry so it’s hard to get any real idea of the situation especially for a boots on the ground perspective. Anyway, just wanted to add to the conversation.

[@VinceVenturella]

no, i appreciate this very much. :)

[@thel1chking]

They released a release trailer for Cursed City twice. And it was hype each time .

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, you're not wrong.

[@voxkine9385]

I don’t know why, but the new Kragnos charge rule makes me want a special “LeeJun of Destruktun assend’nt” army… I don’t know why… but that rule just makes me want it…

[@VinceVenturella]

Sounds awesome to me.

[@LucidLivingYT]

Why would they change Sentinel warscrolls when big problems like the Warpseer getting d3 CP on a 6 had to be adressed first?

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, we can't let that guy get outof control. :)

[@Thaumatolgist]

Have to agree with Tyler on Core Artifacts. If your book is always better, you don't need anything in Core. Core exists for the armies that either got sucky ones, or are waiting on a new book still for that edition.

[@VinceVenturella]

I think core should be the weaker, but situational battle style enablers for particular armies (to put that another way, they aren't the default, but they have game in the right list), that being said, that would require book artifacts worth taking.

[@martyp00s]

Merry Christmas guys! 🎄

[@VinceVenturella]

Same to you. :)

[@elias1579]

Ahh you got that Malerion and Umbraneth in the works. And if it’s not that it’s Chorfs

[@VinceVenturella]

If only, but I promise it's something different. :)

[@Kazerole]

Afraid Nagash will disappear because of Kragnos :/. I’m happy to try him in Nighthaunt but I bet he’ll get kragnosed often (16 wounds won’t last long against that charge 😅)

[@jordivermeulen2519]

Realistically, how often do you expect to face Kragnos though? I'd be shocked if it's more than 5% of matches.

[@Sasukejepansef]

@@jordivermeulen2519 Depends heavily on local meta, in mine 3 people already got him unfortunately.

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, I don't think he's that worried about him, chafe him and then explode 8d3 MW and that should answer Kragnos. ;)

[@woolf552]

@@VinceVenturella um, actually... (wow wanted to get that in for 2yrs of watching your show 😂) but Kragnos has pretty good chance ignoring spells... dont disagree with the overall though, he should be easy enough to handle!

[@cyagen9782]

Great show. According to the logistic department of where I work we should expect sea freight ssues until sommer 2022, if we are lucky. So could continue until 2023. But as for the prices...your guess isas good as mine.

[@VinceVenturella]

Ouch, that hurts to hear.

[@takeovermars]

With coalition units. I wish they still filled things like battleline. They dint need all the abilities but I'd love to have more flexibility in my slaanesh list

[@VinceVenturella]

We all would for sure. :)

[@Andy9833]

I'm not sure why the Arachnarok came down in points but none of its variants (warparty or web flinger) got a point reduction.

[@VinceVenturella]

I am not sure on a lot of the points.

[@andrewwilson8802]

I always wondered why then haven't done if you take this unit x then unit y cost z amount as a rule. That could make points better adjusted

[@VinceVenturella]

I think they fear the complexity for the average players.

[@demondude15]

still no idea why they dropped Gardus's points in a world where they decide a 5+ ward was too good but hey now i have extra 10 pt margin i needed to fit another 5 liberators in my list. thankyou GW very cool

[@VinceVenturella]

It's crazy. :)

[@cyriltournier5784]

I think GW made a mistake in the way they presented the FAQ. They should never have packaged the points change with the balance update. People were mostly positive about the balance changes, but super upset with the points change. Even TGA, which are usually pretty tame and GW friendly by forums standards, were really toxic about the FAQ. My personal favorite was the poster who accused Vince of manipulating GW and of causing changes unrelated to the meta. That got a good chuckle out of me.

[@VinceVenturella]

I must have a link to this, I very much want to read about my own mind control powers in action. ;)

[@itsjustj6205]

Know what ... buttons are fun

[@VinceVenturella]

I know right. :)

[@seanditchfield5609]

I’m sure I saw that this update was focused on gods? I think that will mean a battle line or elite unit update will come along which would let them do quarterly updates and balance different areas of the games without needing all the feedback from the previous change. I think quarterly will be fine, even if they just address problem units

[@VinceVenturella]

If they keep it minimal, I suppose it might be okay, but there will be something like 40-60% of the AoS population that will not see it and that's a challenge.

[@MrEllywu2]

Gutted about the nerf to Alarielle in Living City, but she was breaking the meta....

[@VinceVenturella]

Yeah, I mean, such a powerhouse. ;)

[@hannaleppanen4395]

If a Mega-Gargant is about to die, currently he always retreats to be able to hold objectives. I think the incentive to not fight is already there in many situations, not only with Sons. I think the solution would be to make retreating units not count as models holding objective on the turn they retreat.

[@VinceVenturella]

This is true, and my point would be this will only make it worse. :) - That's why I like the change to have them be active to gain the bonus (fighting, charging, slaying models, something).

[@spiritofgroot1999]

6/10 if quarterly 4/10 if biyearly Amulet of destiny. 5+ ward if 9 wounds or less. 6+ if 10+ (sub commander/commander)

[@VinceVenturella]

Love that Amulet fix!

[@Soulchant]

I feel the mortek crawlers should gain “does not need line of sight to target an enemy unit.” And give their narcotic skulls attack at least -1 rend.

[@VinceVenturella]

I think at this point, Sentinels have ruined no LOS for everyone. But I mean, yeah.

[@elias1579]

You better shout me out on the show when you reveal your Umbraneth Models Next year. I called it first Vince

[@VinceVenturella]

I promise that is not it, but I am very excited.

[@andrewwilson8802]

I thInk gotrek might be a bit too high now that he can't heal in combat but I guess it remains to be seen

[@VinceVenturella]

If he is sort of relgated only to occasional narrative lists, that's likely better. :)

[@ssnakeshitful]

Currently building my Gnoblars. Go Gnoblar meta! Like some of the point drops in Mawtribes but it feels like so much remained untouched. Its an incomplete list of changes that will probably not fulfill the role that GW has given it.

[@VinceVenturella]

We can hope for a new book soon. :)

[@Enballgroda1]

Are you telling me there has been two co-hosts this entire time!?

[@VinceVenturella]

Yes, they were both on every show. ;)

[@GothamAmbService]

All that talk of playtesters needing months to make decisions, in a show where a few blokes have the solutions ready to go. I say we push GW to use Warhammer Weekly as consultants, and we should have everything brought into line after a 90 minute conference call.

[@VinceVenturella]

They can't afford me. ;)

[@horuslupercal6923]

How can Nagash cast 8 arcane bolts?

[@VinceVenturella]

His rules allow him to cast 8 spells on the scroll and he can cast Arcane Bolt any number of times (also on scroll).

[@Thaumatolgist]

Vince: Click things, it's fun! Cybersecurity People: NO

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, click things within a safe space. ;)

[@ghostmutton]

I use all of the Gutbuster units that got points drops and was just like "ok." Coherency issues and no rend continue to drag the meat boys down, and like you said, points alone aren't going to fix those problems.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, exactly.

[@davidwasilewski]

It says a lot about the inherent lack of balance in the game when experienced players are telling us that moving points around won’t make much difference to the game?

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, in the end, the points are a loose abstraction, but what makes an army work, is when you can fill the roles in the game necessary to win with a solid performer, if the scroll isn't there, it's not there, points won't help.

[@zarozinia1168]

2:06:12 GOOD! We don't need Nagash, he threw away Ushoran now he wants our help? I don't think so buddy!

[@VinceVenturella]

Love this. :)

[@inphowatcher9748]

Why has nagash been sent to the shadow realm yet morathi got buffed?

[@VinceVenturella]

She's very clever. ;)

[@tgiffin]

I voted for Be’lakor this year.

[@VinceVenturella]

Acceptable, he was good, no Sigvald, but pretty good. ;)

[@greenskinzgaming5188]

#kragnosmeta #bonesplitterzKragnos. Excluding MONSTER keywords or capping wounds to like 10 for the Amulet would have been a fix

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, I would have rather seen many other potential changes.

[@kyles8707]

The worst part about the advent calendar is that given the delays due to COVID most of these models should’ve already been released.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, 100%

[@takeovermars]

Tom don't take that Nagash list to the event in a month I already don't have a chance at beating you you don't need to make it a blow out!

[@VinceVenturella]

There is likely no stopping him now. :)

[@takeovermars]

@@VinceVenturella I'll have to go with plan B and buying him a lot of rounds before we play then!

[@Silvertaurus_]

Slaughter Queen -10pts, Avatar -15 points... Slaughter Queen on Cauldron no change?

[@VinceVenturella]

When they get together it takes the extra points to glue the whole thing together. ;)

[@takeovermars]

Dang Vince way to drag out talking about Blissbarbs I've watched almost the whole show and you've only said you're going to get to them lol

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, that's the joke. ;)

[@travislankford9254]

Sorry Vince but chaps-as-armor will lose out to Belakor's warp-enhanced abs. C'est la vie. He'll be first in your heart and that's what matters I suppose.

[@VinceVenturella]

He's the winner in my heart for sure.

[@elias1579]

I’ll give the BS a 6. Effort goes a long way, and they are trying to improve. We should nurture this behavior as the player base and push them to do more. As well as listen to community feedback from shows like this and the Honest Wargamer

[@VinceVenturella]

I'm here if they want a consultant. ;)

[@nicholasr4288]

So if points should be in multiples of 5/10, why don’t we just divide point values to make numbers smaller, and have a larger percentage of point values be meaningful?

[@VinceVenturella]

I assuem you mean, instead of 210 points for a unit, make them 21 points (or something). And built 200 point lists. The answer here is simple, warhammer plays 2000 point games. I know that sounds stupid, but sometimes arbitrary things become part of a game's DNA. It could be anything, but when it becomes historical precedent, you don't change it even though it's arbitrary (it's the same thing in the real world in many ways - side of the road you drive on, etc).

[@nicholasr4288]

Yeah that’s what I meant, the idea was weirdly hard to convey through text. Thanks for the answer!

[@hobbyton3575]

I really didn’t like the lacklustre approach by GW in this FAQ. It seemed like such a wasted opportunity, with just a few tweaks to Archaon (only able to be taken in one chaos army, chaos undivided) Sentinels(remove no line of sight, it’s a nonsense) , Bowsnakes (remove morathis shoot twice!!) and Salamanders (waaay up in cost) we could have a really interesting Metha. Also, we should have a new general ability “brace”, to give either a ward or +1 in the shooting face. As it is now, armies at the top are way too similar and just repeat the same old units again and again.

[@VinceVenturella]

It's interesting, because we do have these obvious areas and we didn't address them, it's strange.

[@LucidLivingYT]

Re: The Amulet of Destiny, I stand by that a 5+ ward but only on heroes with 9 or fewer wounds would have been the healthiest change to it. It fills a niche of protecting valuable heroes (Arch-Warlock for Skaven, for instance) while not making unkillable supermonsters.

[@VinceVenturella]

I like this one as well and it would have been better.

[@Balyrion]

BELAKOR!

[@VinceVenturella]

Yeah, he was good. ;)

[@lestrike2707]

Oh boy, Kragnos will be toxic as hell to casual games. Nagash is a letdown. Overall I‘d rate this update a 3,5/10. most issues weren’t tackled. Nagash was destroyed, and the point adjustments are a joke.

[@VinceVenturella]

I am afriad Kragnos is going to be challenging for Casual players.

[@jocelynsiouville8499]

thanks to my fragile mood i put my BoK army in the shelf and it won't leave it until i get good news for them. It's the only army i was able to paint (3500 points) in my 2 years into the hobby .. I'm sad because when i wen't to complain on my local discord i found people enjoying the changes and saying "loook you have decrease in points ! stop complaining ??". I think i'm turning deeper and deeper into a rage/that guy thank to repeatly bashing or disinterest from GW into my army (it looks very selfish i know but i can't be always stupid about how it feels to play khorne ?) Maybe i'm just not made to enjoy the vision GW has to it's game ? I welcome 2 more years of playing with part grey army in nurgle now .. and i wish more issues were solved with that battlescroll ! I agree that shutting the coalition rules was a good start to balance the game in the future but why do that now to people who won't have tools to counter this nerf to their army ? Raaaa i spent my time again complaining .. sorry and continue this show guyz it's really good and it helps me trying to relativize ! As a french i'm always happy to find easy to understand english speakers !

[@VinceVenturella]

I get it, it just sucks, no other way about it.

[@Redrik666]

I really hate the coalition changes. Things like marauders, warriors and knights should be allowed to join the god armies without penalty.

[@VinceVenturella]

Well, I mean they are technically joining without penalty, they just aren't gaining the benefits (though I get it, that's basically the same thing). I think I laid out the case for why they came down like they did. Though the middle ground here could be to pick like 3-4 units and allow them in some special way so they aren't expanding to balancing 100 scrolls. It does create a big challenge through even though, because every hammer then is competing against their own book AND the hammers in S2D and so on. I think this was their attempt to say - if you want it narratively, you can go nuts, but it's not the competitive option.

[@slainemacroth9360]

On battlescroll - Hated it absolute did bugger all. Did nothing to fix the giants or help any one struggling. Just squashed archaon and nagash lists

[@VinceVenturella]

Well, giants did get hit some, losing both healing in combat and the Amulet of Destiny, which was a big part of what was making them tough, that being said, I liked what was there, I am just really sad about what wasn't there. There was so much more that they could have done.

[@slainemacroth9360]

@@VinceVenturella hey i wrote this before watching your show, i stand by the giant nerfs doing FA, having vsd my friends giant with a save reroll and 6s to mortals , missing the amulet gonna do Fa. Thou i will say this Tom has lifted me out of the depths of a death players despair, i though we got stuffed but he got me super keen now on new nagash lists, hell a whole new faction to play with lists and tech super excited , am now brushing the dust of my nighthaunt and painting the neglected models. Tell T thanks I love his style

[@dafruk1]

On Tyler's moral quandary with shooting being too much, tell them to go play 40k, it's the shooting heavy game! Shooting should be the support element in AoS with the exception of KO who are "the shooting army" in AoS.

[@VinceVenturella]

Sounds correct.

[@damianchenot2667]

Knee-cron?

[@VinceVenturella]

Always, just wait until I say Robit.

[@damianchenot2667]

@@VinceVenturella Love ya either way!

[@jamesalbright7581]

Amulet of destiny didn’t need to be changed. A lot of armies don’t have mortal wound protection and this item helped keep a keep piece alive.

[@VinceVenturella]

It was problematic and distorting at the top end, but they could have kept it to many options that would have still let it serve the armies you speak of without being warping on things like giants and MBonMC

[@9estebansantos]

Once again, we come in thinking we will get the same treatment as 40k and once again we get scraps. I think we have to come to terms with that AoS will never get the same attention as 40k even if it is the better game in some respects.

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, I am biased, but it's definitely the better game. :)

[@redsven7624]

Sorry to say it Vince but model of the year for me wasn't gw, and within the gw choices sigvald didn't even make top 5. Not even top golden armoured mini of the year

[@VinceVenturella]

You wound me. :) - That being said, what was your model of the year?

[@redsven7624]

@@VinceVenturella GW wise Kroak, it was one of the few GW models I brought and I really like the composition. Overall probably the Hulkbuster Iron-man for MCP, the wookie fluttercraft came close so many great details.

[@niilofriden4465]

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[@VinceVenturella]

:)

[@OutrageousOnPurpose]

Not interesting, read them new novels in your language and get ur stuff correct, dont waste time on this.

[@komoroff69]

GW gets points for trying. The hype was real. Core rules are fine, but still not addressed save stacking. The 6 main offenders will be still offending. Morathi got a buff and points in Dok are irrelevant. Same Seraphon. Giants are still a a thing, not much changed here. Lumineth is the the biggest WTF, Sentinels going up 20 points are still an auto include for having the option to delete every single model/unit turn one. Stormcast shooting still broken + dragon sprinkle on top. Kragnos is playable ok. Archeon is fine now and they striped him from some real bs rules. Nagash was gutted. I mean he was strong glad they removed the reroll ability, but he is the only death model without access to a ward save (apart the moral wounds one). I guess he works good now with emerald life swarm. And the point drop is only what ,15 points? In a world that Teclis is 740, Morathi is 660 , this is a joke.

[@VinceVenturella]

The 15 point drop is truly hilarious.

[@MrTBass11]

About shooting: so, let me understand, a maw krusha moving 36", popping waagh and destroyer and dealing like 50 damage is totally fine and ok, but Sentinels that to perform need Power of Hysh (first spell), Umbral spellportal (second spell) and Lambent light (third spell) is problematic? Truth is, people don't like when your model gets deleted turn 1, but this is a problem easily solved /dumpened with the removing of hero phase shooting (which was not addressed, i agree). Generally speaking, we need to be VERY conservative when asking for removal of things from the game or we risk to make the game very flat. We need to listen more to constructive critcism from PLAYERS and stop jumping on the whine train of COMPLAINERS. Because COMPLAINERS will never be happy with the state of the game and they'll keep asking for nerf after nerf after nerf 'till the game is dumb enough to accomodate to their limited knowledge of the game, due to their lack of will to actually study the game, play the game and accept losses as a teaching experience.

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, let me answer you first question - Yes, that is fine. (or nearly, there are issues), let me unpack. A powerful melee unit is always going to be easier to balance, answer and deal with than a powerful ranged unit. Also, you aren't using portal for that, you are dropping the Loreseeker who then drops the spell, so it's one spell (and he's holding the objective in the process and you don't need him for later game and all of that is in a one-drop where they easily go first). As powerful as the MB is, he can be stopped by a row of 10 idiots for 70 points and then counter struck. This is why Alpha melee armies don't generally go 5-0 and win tourneys, because they are easily countered. Now, let me answer my own answer with a caveat. Yes, he is also a problem, especially when paired with an army that is all doing that on turn 1 at high rend. As I said in this show, I think it's an issue that pigs went to -2 rend. It's often hard to chaffe out a whole army for some armies. MOre importantly, this sort of thing is VERY destructive to new players. This is the sort of thing that isn't challenging at all for experienced players, but very challenging for casuals (no offense meant to either group). I expected the MBoMC to go up, I am surprised he didn't and I do think he should next time (and I think pigs should go up to at least 180). BUt the short answer is that ranged power projection, especially ranged power projection of Mortal Wounds, at long range, not needing LoS is always going to be bad and the meta right now is dominated by a sinister 6 that abuse that type of thing.

[@jonasandersson5838]

@@VinceVenturella I'd agree, but I'd add the psychological aspect of catharsis. I will kill a mawcrusher in my turn, and even if I loose by round 4 I still removed the thing that hurt me. No los shooting will be there round after round. Its also a blue deck component, im fine loosing A unit to your hammer, but loosing my critical unit and then having my army faling apart is just no fun