Battlestar Galactica 4x14 Reaction | Blood on the Scales

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[@Bill-en7kw]

Richard Hatch did a wonderful job portraying an utterly contemptible character, when he was the original prodigal son from the original series. RIP Apollo

[@DoughnutJelly55]

That guy loved going to all the conventions. I ran into him in the hallway once a day before the convention even started. He just enjoyed talking with fans about the show.

[@cruelangel8689]

@@DoughnutJelly55 Most definitely. He continued the series with novels, spent a lot of his own money trying to get his BSG revival going... he really believed in the series and it wasn't just an acting gig to move on from.

[@DoughnutJelly55]

The original Battlestar fanboy.

[@ludwigmises]

It’s so ironic that Gaeta was almost executed because they thought he’d cooperated with Cylons. Then he actually gets executed because he refused to cooperate with Cylons.

[@nyghtmoon]

Almost executed BY CYLONS. He was spared by luck at the last minute and then finds out most of the Circle were Cylons (even if they didn't know it)

[@joshuaehrnwald8745]

Love it when Romo Lampkin calls that Marine he stabs to death, "[My] pen-pal back there." Such an awesome '80s action-movie style quip.

[@neutchain7838]

I adore the writing in this show. What an arc Gaeta had. That last scene with Gaius is such a callback to the scene when Diana interviewed him and he just recently started smoking lol.

[@ConradsStudio]

The tone in Mary McDonnell's voice when she says "I swear it!!" just sends shivers down my spine.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

One of my favourite speeches in television. Even just the way she starts with a pause, leans in, then simply but firmly says, “No.” Mary McDonnell is just perfect in that scene.

[@davidterhune8277]

"I'M COMING FOR ALL OF YOU!!"

[@eglantinepapeau1582]

even the cylons were shook

[@ProYada]

every time

[@Madeintheshade65]

Romo Lampkin the John Wick of Battlestar Galactica

[@darthroden]

The man who proved that the pen truly is mightier than the sword.

[@vodengc520]

Showin' Gaeta how it's done... BUTTERFINGERS!

[@chazzerous]

“No. Not now. Not ever. Do you hear me? I will use every cannon, every bomb, every bullet, every weapon I have down to my own eyeteeth to end you. I swear it! I'm coming for all of you!” What a powerful performance by Mary McDonnell, and such a shame she didn’t even get an Emmy nomination for this. And Tricia’s reaction to that line is great too. One note about Sam’s injury - Michael Trucco had a MAJOR injury, he was in a convertible that flipped while driving through Malibu and broke his neck, largely immobilizing him around this time and I think this gunshot to the neck is a way to deal with that.

[@jblitzen]

She's incredible. Everyone in this show is incredible. At this point there isn't a single character left who isn't mesmerizing. Cally was probably the last character who wasn't mesmerizing, and it wasn't the actress's fault. And Alessandro, what a complex and powerful performance. Zarek was always a bad guy in a decent suit, but Gaeta was always a good guy. He thought he still was a good guy. Maybe he still was, in some sense. But he was wrong, and he was unsuccessful, and you can't be both.

[@billberndtson]

The acting is this show is just straight up excellent. Sci-fi might start getting more love now that Dune Part 2 has changed things but, too late to give Emmys to these seraphim.

[@johnf-americanreacts1287]

This was one of my favorite moments from Mary. It gives me chills every time.

[@colinloves]

Never made a goddess angry. LOL

[@KHR0M3K0R4N]

@@colinloves Yeah, Hera was historically not a Goddess you wanted to be on the wrong side of.

[@duncanmackenzie7795]

I think the thing that gets me is the end. "It stopped." The pain stopped, as he found his peace.

[@bad2000ta]

Yep, agreed. Such a simple little line that encapsulated so much.

[@sparrowlt]

Back then many people failed to understand it.. i renember folks saying "oh it was a cartoon joke that finally his pain/itching stoped right when they shot him" but it meant (clearly) that the itching was psychogical for his guilty mind ... only at the end when he was finally at peace with everything it stops

[@screamr2d2]

Chief got to have his John McLane moment.

[@ChrisBrown-or8ky]

Just needed a girly poster in the wall

[@screamr2d2]

At least I'm pretty sure they let him keep his shoes on.

[@roystoyscomics1361]

What you saw were cracks in the Galactica's frame. Her structure is now compromised. 😢

[@LeePainter36]

One of the great things about this show, was the attention to detail, You can see how the Galactica is looking worse and worse for wear as the show goes on, even the officers uniforms are looking shabby.

[@richardtaylor1652]

It is sad to see our girl go through that. No matter how many times you watch the series.

[@0hMax]

I don't doubt that Gaeta wouldn't have done what he did if Dee were still alive. That was the straw that broke him.

[@neutchain7838]

Don't think so. I think what happened in "Face of the Enemy" is what tipped him over. By the end of that he was mentally done.

[@dstarling61]

IDK, there were a lot reasons, but I think losing the leg was what really changed him.

[@colinloves]

only cos Dee would of kicked his ass.

[@Sephiroth144]

Kelly wasn't the one who was talking about "taking advantage" of Athena; that was one of the marines who worked with Thorne (the "interrogator" on Pegasus); blanking on his name ATM (Vereem or something?). Kelly has always been on Galactica (originally as the Flight Signal Officer and 3rd in command)

[@gabrielstratton1775]

Yes, Kelly was the one that was dismissed and put in the brig for trying to assasinate Baltar during his trial, Lamkin stole a magnetic clamp from him like the one used under the raptor that the cat ran under

[@KHR0M3K0R4N]

Gage (Gauge?) and Vereem, yeah.

[@kenwood6802]

"I swear it! I'm coming for al of you!!!!!!!" WOW

[@richardtaylor1652]

Gaeta didn't have the guts to attack the Baseship, but Roslin was more than determined to attack Galactica.

[@uncommon_niagara1581]

You will feel all the feels and want all the hugs in the remaining episodes.

[@arthurwigglesby8590]

A tragic end for Gaeta. Compare his last scene to his first in the miniseries, where he tells Adama that it has been an honor to serve under him for 3 years, and Adama returns the sentiment. Gaeta is beaming, it means a lot to him. His final comment to Baltar, that he hopes people will eventually know "who I am", is interesting. We love our labels, and people like Gaeta always go down in history as one thing: "traitor." He hopes that someday people will also remember that he had been the boy scribbling building designs on his family's books, and an idealistic officer who loved science. The guy who got a tiger tattoo on shore leave. Not just remembered for what he did on the last day of his life. That's fair, if not unlikely. Baltar giving him that and burying the hatchet was another moment of growth; he wanted Gaeta to feel "seen" at the end. And I think Adama "saw" him too at the end. He walked back on the "you'll die with nothing" promise. He allowed Gaeta a final "meal" with Baltar, in quarters, no guards. He allowed Gaeta to die in uniform with his rank insignia, which certainly isn't the real world norm. Killing Gaeta hurt Adama, but ringleaders had to go, and he couldn't execute Zarek while sparing Gaeta.

[@darthroden]

The fact that he gave them both the firing squad is also telling. That is how the soldier dies. He could just as easily have put them out the airlock, had them hanged in public, or locked them naked in a cage and charged people admission to see the "animals". Okay maybe not the last thing, which is what Hitler feared the Soviets would do to him if captured for historical reference....but he could have easily done far worse than a quick death, and they would have deserved it for all the lives lost in their little day of rage.

[@davidterhune8277]

A quick bullet and his troubles are over in an instant. Gaeta got off easy. Leaving him to fend for himself on a lonely, empty, desolate planet would have been WAY harsh. Deserved or undeserved? Glad it wasn't me who had to decide.

[@darthroden]

@@davidterhune8277 Firing squad isn't just a military punishment, its also meant to serve as an example to any other future mutineers.

[@rajwahi7387]

Beautifully put.

[@johnmiller7682]

When they cast Richard Hatch, lots of people had different thoughts on whether it was a good idea, or just fan service or whether they could look past him being Apollo. I was worried. But he nailed Tom Zarek.

[@neutchain7838]

Yup. Didn't hurt that he was given an outstanding script to work with but I agree, he did an amazing job with it.

[@richardtaylor1652]

And believe it or not, he was against the reimagined series (he had been campaigning for his own reboot of which some elements were incorporated into the re-imagined series). But they brought him on board, gave him a hell of a character to play and he embraced it all!

[@sparrowlt]

@@richardtaylor1652 So different to Dirk Benedict who did the opposite way.. Dirk at first seemed supportive of the series and the writers even planed to give him a role (he was to be "god" appearing to Gaius and probably Six and others) in season 2 .. but then he turned heel toe all the sudden and began bashing the series (and Katee after an interview with her where he seemed to play cool)

[@davebeattie9573]

Romo Lampkin proving that the pen is mightier than the sword (or the gun). Especially when you plunge it into someones neck. Also proving that Gaeta really is a butterfingers.

[@kapilavastuvasin]

This episode is a good reminder, as to why on every warship, its the chief that is the real man in charge, even if he is following orders from his superiors and is actually a NCO and thus a very low rank : the chiefs of the boats can singlehandedly take the whole damn ship down and there is nothing the greatest of admirals or captains can do about it.

[@user-tp9bn8lp6t]

The chief is often the most respected officer, even when not the most senior officer.

[@mabutoo]

I have been saving this comment until this episode. RIP Richard Hatch, thank you for the years of entertainment.

[@psychjay]

Dee, Gaeta, Zarek, and the entire quorum gone in a hand full of episodes 😱

[@MrMac6375]

The thing with Anders was written in because during the final episodes, Michael Trucco got into an accident and fractured four of his vertebrae, having an injury nearly identical to Christopher Reeve.

[@maspleben]

I am so happy to read about people's long comments about Gaeta's storyline. I feel so much for him. I think I identify the most with him during my rewatch of the show. It feels almost like a fable. Especially considering how close to the end we are now.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@maspleben, As has been mentioned by several commenters, he seems to fit well as the Everyman character in the ensemble RDM created.

[@jokerz7936]

I get why some were supporting the mutiny. The Cylons destroyed their homes, murdered their friends and families, and have been hunting them for years and now we make peace and co-exist. For some that was the Bridge too far it was their line in the sand. They'd rather die fighting then be allies with the cyclons.

[@Dan250]

And no one said that breaking cycles would do without blood and losses.

[@Dularr]

Don't forget the Cylon occupation of New Caprica.

[@Dan250]

@@Dularr Ooh, there are toasters with mannequins that showed people that eating is worse than death. After their "unity", humans finally began to believe in the Gods and spat in God's face, and it is clear why they did so.

[@darthroden]

Then they are as unworthy of the Promised Land like the Israelites who built the Golden Calf. To be worthy, humanity's remnants must be purified of its inherent "weaknesses" (racism, prejudice, fear, hatred). This on what happened here as a culling.

[@drrohanjacob]

​@@darthrodenThis is why baltar said God should beg for our forgiveness The only time I agreed with him

[@Ronfost89]

What you saw was a crack in the ships keel (backbone) which holds everything together. Essentially it is a load bearing beam for a house and this one is busted.

[@roguenine9LU]

It was Sprcialist Gage, one of the two Pegasus crew members who was beating Helo and Tyrol with the soap in a towel before Fisk stopped them that had the lines about R-ing Athena. Capt. Kelly was an officer on Galactica from the miniseries, was Tigh's 2nd in command Boomer shot Adama, was on Galactica during the Adama Manuever (had the line "Altitude 99,000, falling like a rock"), and was the one killing Baltar's lawyers which is why he was imprisoned prior to the last episode. It actually bothered me a little bit that Helo ended up Galactica's XO when Tigh wasn't available (on New Caprica and a couple other times in Season 3) over Kelly since he should have out ranked him. It also bothers me a bit that both Kelly and Gaeta never advance in rank. Gaeta especially starts the show as a Jr. Lieutenant and is the same rank when he's executed. Some of it likely comes down to there being more attrition among pilots than bridge officers leading to more promotions among them, but it still bugged me a bit. I thought the same about Harry Kim never being promoted up from Ensign in ST:VOY.

[@makasete30]

As I ready your comment I immediately thought of poor Ensign Kim! So true, they did his character dirty.

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

I think the CAG is third in command, Apollo didn’t take XO in season 2 because he already tried to shoot Tigh. When Apollo took over Pegasus and Kara mustered out, I assume Helo was CAG before Tigh left.

[@thetynmanfromoz6887]

My second favourite set of episodes after the New Caprica escape. Roslyn's threat/speech "I'm coming for all of you" was a masterpiece, I get chills during that scene too. In the words of Doctor Strange, we're in the end game now... All the pieces set up since season one are going to start sliding in to place now, enjoy the last half-dozen episodes, and see you on the other side.

[@davebeattie9573]

Basestar and Baseship are generally considered interchangable in the BSG fandom. They have been refered to as both on screen, so go with whatever feels right to you at the time, no one will hold it against you.

[@sparrowlt]

Personally i prefer BaseStar, specially because Galactica is a BattleStar, not a Battleship even when you can refer to her as such ... the series actors really loved "BaseShip" and went with it more and more until BaseStar disseapeared but displays and so keep refering to them as BaseStars

[@AthanImmortal]

I always thought Gaeta was a representation of what a lot of people in the fleet felt. He came through for humanity so many times ( like when he made the computer network to find the fleet), he served as Gaius's aid during his disastrous presidency and when the cylons came he found a way to get information to the resistance, which it turned out was run by 3 cylons. He just couldn't bring himself to be allies with the cylons who wiped out 12 planets worth of people, and when it was discovered they were in some of the highest positions in the fleet and they were allowed to stay. I can imagine some people saying there could never be forgiveness. Gaeta (while easily seen as wrong from the viewers perspective) was an idealist, and stuck to his beliefs even when it cost him his life.

[@kalancosta7650]

The only issue I have with his motivation of not being able to coexist with he colons is Athena…. She has been serving under Adam for months at this point…

[@eimhinduffy5736]

I don't think Gaeta did stick to his beliefs. I think he held them strongly and tried to uphold them but Baltar's presidency broke him. When he perjured himself to kill Gaius in the trial Gaeta acknowledges vengeance matters more than his beliefs. The fact that he tries to put Adama on trial just hits it home. He doesn't value a fair trial, he values it looking like a fair trial. At this point he wants vengeance and justice and honour be damned.

[@kalancosta7650]

@@eimhinduffy5736 agreed

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

​@eimhinduffy5736 , I have to wonder if Dee's death was what proved to be the last straw for him. Obviously, he and Gaius had personal conflicts and tensions (seen in the show and the webisodes), but in the grand scheme of things, I don't think any of that truly diminished Gaeta's character and steadfast loyalty to the mission. As far as Adama's fate, well it should be pretty clear such an uprising couldn't play out without him departing the scene, and given the chaotic nature of events as they were happening, some full scale, formal trial was simply impossible. For a change in leadership to cohere in these circumstances, he had to go, and quickly.

[@uhfanzonly]

@@kalancosta7650 I think Getta was just mentally checked out at this point. Post finding Earth and Dee dying he was mentally done.

[@MarcusSinclair2]

That look you have in the thumbnail is probably what your going to look like for the last 6-7 episodes.

[@shamgar1980]

Chief saw metal fatigue in the bones of the ship. Galactica is dying.

[@funnylilgalreacts]

Nooooooooooooo. But also, it makes sense

[@shamgar1980]

All the battles, all the jumps, no time in dry-dock for annual maintenance, the old girl was about to be a museum ship when the show started….As if you weren’t emotional enough, you just discovered you have strong feelings for a ship….we feel the same.

[@shamgar1980]

Dropping through the atmosphere of New Caprica at terminal velocity then jumping out didn’t do the ship any favors either.

[@neutchain7838]

@@shamgar1980 Faceanking nukes at Ragnar was probably not making it any better either lol. Or 10 round trips across that nebula.

[@davidedwards1705]

Galactica was being retired in the mini series for a reason. It was one of the Original Battlestars 50 years ago.

[@BurningEarthProductions]

Alessandro Juliani played one of my favorite heroes when I was a kid: Toa Metru Vakama from Bionicle 2: Legends of Metru Nui and Bionicle 3: Web of Shadows. He did a wonderful job as Gaeta in BSG, and I was saddened to see that this was how his character's story ended.

[@cpob2013]

No shit that's awesome I never put them together

[@BurningEarthProductions]

@@cpob2013 Heh, "put them together" 😂

[@AubreyAngst]

Love the Princess Bride reference! I can't not think of Miracle Max when I hear that name "Why'd you say that name? You promised me that you would never say that name!" "What, Humperdink? Humperdink. Humperdink....Humperdink"😆

[@tomsamper4345]

19:30 everyone on that ship (Gaeta included) already did follow Adama to the ends of the Earth, they followed and he led them to Earth that had already ended

[@jamiebeebe9606]

Gaeta just isn't quite the enemy, which is the tragedy of it all.

[@Gizmo_Mogwai_]

16:32 the rage 🤣🤣 hysterical ❤

[@BrentAgeofGrogu]

This 2 part episode was just so wild, again the growth and change in characters both Zarek and Gaeta have very cool arcs to this story and to the situation. It was sad to see the actors leave and not make it through till the very end, but man it was a good arc to experience. The Cracks in the Hull of Galactica that the chief sees, so its battle damage, its indicating that the Galactica cant handle too much more (but im sure you have seen these actions play out in your current and future viewings) same with Anders arc it all has a point and strong story point in the future. Also when it comes to Roslin and her speech there at the end towards Gaeta was one of my favorite moments from Mary McDonnell in the series when she has her moments she has them so well. Baltars arc is still one of my favorite in the show Cant wait to you see the final episode here we are nearing the final 5 soon. PS Plenty more Bear Score moments to come in the future, the last 3 part arc is some of his best 🥰

[@0lyge0]

That moment when Gaeta says "it stopped" just guts me. The pain in his leg is what drove him over the edge with rage and bitterness then after he destroys his reputation, career and his actual life, the pain stops. In other words it was all for nothing and the futility of that is really heartbreaking.

[@theashrook6129]

“It stopped” 😭

[@Scott_Burton]

A duel "to the pain" perhaps you mean? 22:46- 23:16 Although it would have been a perfect place for a cliffhanger, it wasn't. But can we talk about that delivery? The passion from the first "No!" all the way through the cannons, and right into the "I'm coming for all of you!" (I think someone ticked off the 'wrong schoolteacher' 24:47-24:55 The reaction of Roselyn when she heard Adama. Just...

[@icarus_falling]

RDM wanted that metal fatigue and damage stuff in star trek voyager but they wouldnt let him so he left. Galactica doesnt reset to baseline like voyager did. Good thing they held RDM back, as he quit and moved onto bsg

[@neutchain7838]

Even if he did it they would've just swaped the polarity of the metal and be done with it.

[@Dularr]

Time travel and alternate timelines help.

[@makasete30]

We got some of that damage in the “year of hell” which was originally planned to be a whole season. That was a fantastic two-parter. But yes, annoying that the reset button got pressed at the end, once again. Voyager has a lot of missed potential but it also has some of my favorite episodes in Star Trek.

[@icarus_falling]

@makasete30 year of hell is an awesome 2 parter. I watched rdm in an interview saying they were using foil stuck onto the set and rocks and scrap yard bits so it was easy to reset to perfect.

[@icarus_falling]

@makasete30 azati prime onwards on enterprise does a good job of damage.

[@JimsScience]

The cracks cheif tyrol saw? She's no spring chicken, especially after slamming her down on the atmosphere like that in the battle of new caprica. I can't wait for you to hear Adama speech before Galactica's final battle.

[@Foxwoodpictures]

I remember that I'm Coming for you line being in every 4.5 trailer.

[@mkang8782]

It's interesting that Felix's stump stopped itching just before he died - as if he was finally at peace. Unlike Zarek, he knew and accepted the risks and possible repercussions if they failed. Both Zarek and Gaeta had to be dealt with in the harshest way possible in order to make it clear what the consequences are for such a course of action.

[@makasete30]

I think Zarek also knew the risks and repercussions and that’s why he stressed to Gaeta that he had to willing to go all the way. For example, He stressed that Adama should be killed quickly but Gaeta had a personal Adama to admit he was wrong to give him some legitimacy. Zarek was cold blooded but right if he wanted his coup to succeed. Zarek had always accepted he would die from the moment he had a gun to his head with Lee way back in the prison. His look to Gaeta said it all as both accepted their fate.

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

18:25 Gotta say it Angela. In the right hands "The pen is truly mightier than the sword!" 👍 We were not told if Romo was going to his cabin or to his death, so this seemed the right move. Risky but right.

[@wemustdissent]

I really like Gaeta as a character. In a way I feel like he is the most relatable. He had career ambitions, but he also has his own past and history unrelated to his career. He was smart and had good skills and just tried to apply those skills to be useful. He just watched as all the crazy went down and never really got that directly involved in the drama. He was just there to do his job. And I also get his motivation with this coup. This "enough with all this crazy drama what are we even doing" Like if I was somehow in this situation and had to pick what character Id most likely end up being it'd probably be Gaeta...he seems the most reasonable and realistic to me.

[@jerrodbroholm4338]

Major Props to Alessandro Juliani for his top tier acting, but FRAK Gaeta. Mutiny is unforgivable.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@jerrodbroholm4338, Would you have said the same thing if it had been attempted to rid Pegasus of Cain?

[@richardtaylor1652]

For those playing at home, Gaeta's Mutiny lasted from 9:34am when he took command in CIC to 3:28pm when Adama took back command. Just shy of 6 hours.

[@paxzin8501]

Gaeta died as a 'different' kind of hero. With every fiber within him, he hated cylons. He put up with President Baltar, just so he could get the resistance the information they needed. He watched the then Commander, get shot at point blank range by a cylon, which later, Adama forgave and even accepted her into the ranks. From the attempted genocide, to sabotage, to captivity; there was no love lost on the cylons where Gaeta was concerned. Being chased, halfway across the galaxy. He hated cylons with everything he had in him. And when it was announced that cylons would be 'joining the fleet', that was the last straw. In Gaeta's mind, the Admiral was no longer fit for duty, and felt a need to relieve him. That's not an easy call to make. You know that he loved and respected Bill, but at the same time, it just felt 'wrong' to bring your enemy on-board your ships, and start to call them 'allies'. Zarak made all of this into a vendetta, a 'power-grab', and unfortunately, Gaeta got caught up in it. He did and said things that he probably wouldn't have done. He only learned a little too late, that he put his trust in the wrong politician, and there was no turning back from that. Not everyone will understand, but I respect the character that was Gaeta. He never changed throughout all of this, and that was his character arc. In a different time and place, he would have made a great Admiral in the Colonial fleet. He did what he thought needed to be done, and no one else was capable of stepping into his 'shoe' to do it. If it had been up to him, I'd be willing to bet that not a drop of blood was spilled, but he would get his point across, and when he was heard, he'd give back command to Adama. 'A brief lapse of judgment and fortitude'... He'd take his licks in the brig for a while, and come out again as one big happy family... minus the cylons, who would be free to follow, but not board any of the civilian ships.

[@stonecutter3172]

What Tryril saw was extreme metal fatigue. Galactica is starting to fall apart due to stress and constant use and abuse.

[@kuraban1]

I think Gaeta's arc is one of the saddest of the entire series. Constantly does all that he can for the good of the Galactica. One of the greatest heroes of New Caprica as he constantly risked his life, without ANY help and with ZERO recognition, narrowly avoiding execution, (metaphorically) stabbed in the back by Baltar, and finally executed next to Zarek for his unwavering refusal to work with the cylons. He and the Chief were always two of my favorite characters.

[@chriscoombes6751]

I bloody love this episode! - it's so fraught & tense throughout, and the emotion from everyone on both sides is just so well acted: from Kellys breakdown wrestling with his decisions, Kara cradling wounded Sam, Romo's crisis of conscious - to Zaraks desperation at the end, Gaetas acceptance of defeat, Baltars voice breaking as he comforts Gaeta: everyone is acting the hell out of this fantastic episode..... But among all that great acting, Mary McDonnell wins this one for me: the raw emotion in her face & voice, the bravery, the fury - and THAT speech (I'd sure as hell run!!), but the little moment that really got to me? - the little gasp & tearing-up when she's reunited with Adama! 🥹❤❤

[@EnigmaticPenguin]

You're going to love the wind down of the series. The second half of season 4 has so many powerful moments. What Chief saw wasn't articulated very well if you don't know what you're looking at, but it was metal fatigue.

[@fordhouse8b]

Looked way beyond metal fatigue. more like big-ass gashes. Mere metal fatigue is more or less invisible. Or so I thought, but I am not a metallurgist, just someone going off what I vaguely think I remember hearing or reading about it.

[@Ninjaman001]

@@fordhouse8b metal fatigue and stress fractures, gotta imagine the forces the ship goes through bending space every time it jumps. The multiple nukes and missile hits it has taken in combat. It is also past it's retirement date and it has jumped way more than a normal ship would and without drydock maintenance for years.

[@fordhouse8b]

@@Ninjaman001 Of course. All I am saying is that what they showed on screen was not metal fatigue, but the catastrophic failure of the metal caused by metal fatigue. The mental fatigue itself is probably better seen under a microscope.

[@mafoxton]

@@fordhouse8b and don't forget the "ninety nine thousand and dropping like a rock" - *that* is gonna cause some serious stress to the hull

[@jaanfo3874]

25:20 - I know you’ve seen at least 2-3 episodes beyond this one by now, and thus already know this, but remember that Galactica is an old vessel that was being decommissioned at the start of the series, and ended up being put through far more than she deserved to be put through over the last four years instead…. What you’re seeing are stress fractures in the hull. The ship is literally falling apart.

[@jblitzen]

Adama is that guy. And I agree, this will be a ride. I think this half season is the best season of the show.

[@darthroden]

The last scene when Zarek and Gaeta shared that look between them, like they were saying "We almost pulled it off" before accepting their fate.

[@LazloHo]

I'd have to go back and watch the full scene, but I didn't get that impression. I always thought it was something more like, "I should have picked better company." Look at where they are, think about how they ended up there, and each of them, to protect against blaming themselves for the mess they are in, can easily blame the other. I mean, they both made so many mistakes along the way, down to including even starting down that path. They have to be looking at each other and just thinking this was all a huge mistake.

[@paulonius42]

Definitely an "oops, we screwed up" look, I think.

[@lordhoot1]

I feel like Zarek always expected things to end this way for him, probably made peace with the idea years ago

[@makasete30]

Interesting how people read that look differently. I always thought it was a reassuring look to Gaeta. An acceptance of the situation, “we did what we could”and an ironic smile for where they have ended up together.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

​​@@makasete30, Absolutely. Zarek had to have had some reservations Gaeta would respond as he wanted him to, in any circumstance which might take place. Also, their true base of support was limited and shallow, so the chances of truly succeeding depended on many things exactly playing out in their favor, which didn't happen from nearly the start.

[@IndustriousVermin]

One thing I really appreciate about your reactions is you knowing the random background and tertiary characters like Jaffe and Kelly.

[@garyt7193]

I sensed an almost 'sinister laugh' coming from our lilgal here, when Galactica's FTL went off-line 😁

[@raymondmarier8340]

In my opinion, BSG does stick the landing. The overall story, the resolution, the character arcs are all treated with respect. Of course, I also loved Serenity and felt that it was a great ending for Firefly…

[@makasete30]

In terms of character arms and emotionally, I agree, it was satisfying. I still have some problems with it the more I think about it, but on further rewatches I’ve come to terms with those quibbles.

[@leistico]

What you saw that worried the chief was metal fatigue. The old girl has been through so much, so many jumps and attacks, the structure has taken all the abuse it can. Metal isn’t indestructible. It’ll take a lot of abuse but it’ll come to a point where it’s been bent so much one more bend will snap it in half and it rips like paper. That’s where we are now.

[@Justin_black_leviathan]

Cracks and damage where the ship is starting to fall apart. 😢

[@MANxMACHINE]

In my head, Zarek would decline the "last meal" and just sit in silence. To him, this was always just a chess game to assume power. He played; he lost - simple as that. To me, leaving it out further amplifies how different they were despite being co-conspirators. Gaeta was greatly misguided but had a genuine desire to do what he thought was the right thing; so he would really want to take the opportunity to let the world know what his motivations were.

[@makasete30]

I honestly think Zarek thought what he was doing was the right thing, too. Just with him power to make sure things went as he wanted. He’s also a goals justify the means kind of guy and more practical than Gaeta, who wasn’t willing to cross some moral lines.

[@Scottrick]

I always interpreted that conversation with Gaius as being in Felix's head.

[@ChibiHoshiDragon]

Yeah. I always thought it was Head Gaius; we know he isn't limited to Caprica Six as Baltar has seen him at one point, so why not?

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@Scottrick, I don't think there's any foundation for that. Why would Gaeta imagine such an encounter at a time like that? Further, if it didn't actually occur, would Gaius be as likely to be present at the execution?

[@Scottrick]

@@mitchellmelkin4078 It was mostly the way it cut to him with the same look on his face like he wasn't all there. Maybe he was looking at Gaius there and fantasized about someone wanting to comfort and understand him, like a delusion of grandeur kind of thing. I'm not saying I'm right, just that's what I initially though.

[@azuresentry815]

All else aside, Gaeta has always been shown to be a highly capable bridge officer and probably something of a genius given the various things he was able to do and in assisting Gaius (even though he didn't want the help). His path after the attacks broke him, like many others ( Dee). He chose something of a "last resort" hail mary to try and restore order to his own world and while I disagree with his coup I understand how he got there. Zerek on the other hand, he's Zarek. Glad they finally took him out (not that he didn't serve his important role throughout the journey in assisting our heroes too.) There was just no way to risk him remaining alive, he was too dangerous even in prison (insert Mace Windu gif here).

[@Smurf691976]

Both basestar and baseship are acceptable, lol. I also go with basestar... Also, i'm excited to see what the new selections are... :D

[@VoodooMcVee]

That's what they were called in the original series, IIRC.

[@sparrowlt]

BaseStar all the way :D

[@MaximizedAction]

The shooting of the quorum is the point that hit me the most. Hard to describe it with words. Brings up a certain fear and feeling of helplessness, especially nowadays. Leave it to BSG to do not just a mutiny, but add a coup along with it. Gotta make sure the punch hits. And Gaeta got a nice Anakin Skywalker mini-arc. RIP you great singer.

[@user-ks4zd8cy4p]

The "skeleton" of the Galaxy is bursting at the seams. Now even "Jumping" will add damage. This is exactly what the Chief realized when he saw the crack

[@lowbudgetcomicsthings7068]

I always laugh at the I love the enemy line.

[@Sephiroth144]

"They comforted me!" I mean, Godfrey did TRY to...

[@EddieDexterStewart]

To this day Laura Rosslyn scares me! "I'm coming for all of you!"

[@jesse33cdn]

GALACTICA’s Hull is Seriously Compromised. Her age, all the Battles, all the jumps. They take their toll.

[@nobodyatall1886]

This is it-the start of the mad descent to the end. Enjoy the ride.

[@neutchain7838]

some people say its hard to stay awake in season four lol IDK man I feel pretty fuckn awake :)

[@CoffeeMugTwentyFive]

It's the 4th season. The finish line is just ahead. Get those boxes of tissues.

[@rnkelly36]

Things never change. Cylon or Human. You should see where this is going with the old tropes of Sci Fi. What is human? Why can't we change?

[@cliveklg7739]

This was a surprise, The Leobin actor, and the actor for Kenzo (season 1 Expanse) are in at least episode 1 of the last Star Trek: Discovery season.

[@neryskkiran1820]

13:59, Kelly is the one who caught Chief crawling through the Jeffries Tubes (lol), and then let him go. He's the one who had been setting the bombas for Gaius' attorneys before the trial. He ended up joining back up with Lee to help the Admiral here 20:05. Here's the guy that threatened to SA Athena 24:03.

[@EntertainmentGym]

A coup, by it's very nature, will always have coup-lateral damage.

[@Riku-zv5dk]

There is yet to be a revolution that isn't paid with someone's blood.

[@stmcde1701]

[sigh] I see you there

[@DaveOwen-vn6ie]

GREAT reaction to a couple of GREAT episodes of this final season of the GREAT BSG! And I really appreciate that you've taken the time to learn the actor's names who portray these wonderful layered characters! So few episodes left! Really hope you don't hate the ending but have loved being on this BSG journey with you

[@LezArtist5iG]

Great Reaction Angela 🌻

[@bradbarter8314]

RIP Richard Hatch (original BSG 1978 Apollo and Tom Zerik BSG remake) he died in 2017 of pancreatic cancer at age 71.

[@Dexiray]

yea, sometimes it's only a bad decision made that leads a good person down the wrong path. "I'll remember who you are, Felix"

[@Dularr]

Tragedy of Felix Gaeta.

[@makasete30]

Gaeta! Gaeta! Gaeta!' goes the refrain. 'A few deaths were not enough for Gaeta!' - “A Child's History of Admiral Adama”

[@darthroden]

16:50 Cottle is probably in sickbay helping everyone on both sides who was wounded. In situations like these doctors usually remain neutral because of the Oath they take to do no harm and help the sick and injured. Also both sides in war tend to spare doctors and EMT personal for the most part, with exceptions in the heat of battle.

[@evanbriggs443]

"To the pain"... Wonderful movie. You might say I "As you wish" it.

[@joseliano325]

Another reminder: Consider watching and reacting to “The Plan”BEFORE watching the finale. (Better leave the best for last)

[@davebeattie9573]

Samcan not come back from that shot. He can not be resurrected. They blew up the Resurrection Hub specifically to stop resurrections. All Cylons now face Final Death (VTM reference there). If they die, they're gone for good. Unless someone rebuilds resurection technologies. And yes, Humans do have that capabilities. Zoe Graystone, the daughter of Daniel Graystone, was the first person to be brought back through the combination of her own Avatar program and Daniel's scientific mind to create a body for her Avatar to inhabit. Daniel also created the Cylons, or at least his company created their mechanical bodies, and it was a damaged version of an MCP (Meta Cognitive Processor) housing a copy of Zoe's Avatar that gave them life. This can all be seen in the spin off series "Caprica".

[@ewplayer3]

Remember… the hub has been destroyed. Cylon resurrection is gone. Any Cylon that dies is just dead now. So, if Sam dies, he’s just gone.

[@funnylilgalreacts]

Spoiler… thanks for ruining my hope the five are special

[@rusenemirramazanoglu7761]

Well at this point its NOT spoiler

[@genghisgalahad8465]

To the pain! Your ears, you keep! ... dropped in on BSG uploads and I'm here for the intros since I'm behind! oh nice logo intro! ep 4x14 on 4/4!

[@MrHws5mp]

Boxes of tissues on hand for the last few episodes Angela, for all sorts of complicated reasons that, this show being this show, will not all be what you might think.

[@DugTheDog]

Yeah, for a second there everything went tits up. I remember being very nervous as to who, if anyone was gonna die this episode.

[@darthroden]

They should all be thankful that Cavil didn't show up during all this. God only knows what would have happened then.

[@balrog92000]

It's funny that you would suggest marooning Tom on a deserted planet. That was Baltar's fate in '78 BSG.

[@davebeattie9573]

Gaeta assumed this would be a simple and clean take over. He states his case. Adama sees the light and admits he was wrong. The Cylons, and any who support them go their seperate ways. Every one lives happily ever after. Guess he slept through the course in training that said people die in combat scenarios. Playing war games, engaging in military exercises, every one lives (generally speaking). He only sees the Cylons as the big bad, and once they're gone all will be well with the world. Another thing Gaeta missed, is that Cylon FTL systems are 24 times more capable than human ones. Back when they were thinking about a rescue from the colonies they predicted that it would take at least 240 jumps from Galactica's position to return to the colonies. However, once they used Athena to hook into the FTL computer of a captured heavy raider, they were able to make the trip in ten jumps. Impotant to note that they used their own Raptors and note Cylon craft to do the jumps. The maximum jump range of any FTL drive is unlimited. The limiting factor is the 'Red Line'. The red line is the maximum jump range that your FTL computers can calculate. The further you go from your start point in a single jump the more errors creep into the calculation, until a point is reached where the risk in jumping is just too unsafe. To improve these calculations you need better computers, and you need to network them. They keep taking in the show at this point about installing Cylon FTL engines onto the fleet ships. Engines are hardware. What is really being put on is software and the infrastructure to link that software to the rest of the ship, effectively creating a Cylon network on those ships. Cylons have the ability to hack colonial networks with relative ease, and any that they create, would have back doors to allow them to take over. This is why the fleet captains are opposed to this idea. They'd basically being turning control over to the Cylons.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@davebeattie9573, I'm not sure he presented too many signs that he thought it would be an easy operation, or that in any way, he took it lightly. As to your last paragraph, I'm in absolute agreement, which in surrendering the fleet's agency to a great degree, was a huge hurdle Gaeta couldn't countenance and one Adama did a damned poor job in reasonably justifying.

[@johncook2913]

We may just see a six. Athena sees the individual cylon so she differentiates from a six she can trust and a six she doesn't know.

[@arparso]

These were a shocking few episodes back then. One of the best story arcs pulled off so far. We were already familiar with some unrest amongst our beloved characters before, but this full-on mutiny and so much bloodshed amongst people that considered each other friends, fellow soldiers or colleagues before, was truly heartbreaking to witness. I always loved Felix as a competent, reliable and honorable officer, so it especially hurt to see him go down this path, after all the things he had to endure for the last few episodes (and throughout the show). Could not help but to sympathize with him still, even in this very episode. You can clearly tell from his defeated look that he knew they made a mistake, that it went too far and wasn't about justice or safety of the fleet anymore. If he only he would have called it off, maybe he could have been spared from execution. But nope, he thought he had crossed the point of no return and soldiered on...

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@arparso, Well, he did call something off, which if truly driven only by vengeance and hatred, he needn't have decided to relent on, whatsoever, despite his plan having already been turned back.

[@arparso]

@@mitchellmelkin4078 That's true, although it was already too late at that point. He still wanted to proceed with the execution and still wanted to jump away and leave the fleet stranded, basically. With a Cylon basestar, no less, which he himself considered to be hostile and a danger to humanity. Should have called it off after the quorum's massacre, at the latest. (obviously, it wasn't clear whether the other mutineers would have accepted defeat at that point - certainly not Zarek and his followers, but maybe the military personnel that trusted Gaeta)

[@emdeeeff]

Gaeta's a rather tragic figure. He's brilliant and experienced, good at his job, most of the fleet can probably say that owe him their lives. At the same time, he left to go be Gaius' chief of staff when he was elected on the fervent belief that it really was the right thing, and Gaius really _would_ be a great president and do good. He went into this attempted coup with his eyes wide open because he fervently believed it was necessary for the survival of the human race, and also that it would go over bloodlessly, Adama would come to see that it was right and go along with it, and Zarek definitely was a good person trying to do the right thing too. Maybe he's a moron. Or maybe he's just _optimistic_ and always believes things will work out, even if they seem dire. Seriously, this is the guy who _believed_ in the goodness and right motives of Gaius Baltar and Tom Zarek! Easy enough to just say he's dumb, but then you can also come out and say things like "they don't have to _kill_ Zarek, they could just leave him on some planet", like that's somehow _different_ or nicer.

[@jamestate5059]

Can't wait to watch your reaction to the finale because it will be epic

[@billberndtson]

It's weird, I love your reactions to this show - they've/you've somehow helped validate Battlestar Galactica's excellence despite sci-fi being overlooked so often/nearly always by critics. But, at the same time, I can't wait for you to finish the series. I'm sympathetically/nostalgically on the edge of my seat - even anxious. 😃

[@philipmahar4786]

There's one false note in Gaeta's ARC... I don't believe that Adama wouldn't pay more attention to what was going on with Gaeta, especially knowing he was tight with Dee. That Adama just steamrolled Gaeta, and not pulling him aside and sounding him out doesn't sound like Adama.

[@JonathanForres-de1jo]

G'day Angela. Think about the age and history of Galactica. She's over 50 years old at the start of the show having already been in many combat missions. In the series, more than once, she's taken a real pounding including at least two nukes at close range. I think the old girl is coming apart at the seams which is why Chief is horrified at the damage in the walls Don't forget about Blood and Chrome before you move on and I really hope you'll react to Caprica! There's only one season but after going through BSG, I want you to see the history and origins of the conflicts to come!! If you do, you might be the first to react to Caprica. Don't forget it's still created by Alan

[@fordhouse8b]

The Cylons remind a bit of wild animals that need to be tamed and housebroken, and who need to learn how to trust humans and bond with them.

[@VoodooMcVee]

Yeah, right now they tend to still pee on the carpet 😅

[@aarongittelman2508]

I've always thought of them as moody, emotional, immature teenagers cosplaying as intelligent robots. Which makes sense, most of them aren't that old.

[@fordhouse8b]

@@aarongittelman2508 Well, the teenage years is accompanied by a flood of hormonal changes that practically turn them into wild animals, so there is that.

[@davebeattie9573]

The final five are decended from the original Cylons that had inhabited Kobol prior to the civil war and exodus from Kobol. At that time humans and Cylons had lived together along with their gods. Some two thousand years earlier, and they were already humanoid Cylons. The Significant Seven, of which there are eight, are decendeded from Cylons created by Daniel Graystone on Caprica. The Significant Seven are, in terms of species evolution, significantly younger than the Final Five. They became humanoid about forty years ago. Remember we have not met all eight of the Significant Seven. One still remains to be identified.

[@Dularr]

I don't think that fits. The Caprica series doesn't fit that well.