Battlestar Galactica BSG Deadlock. If Scorpia Shipyards had been alerted

Just like with one of my previous videos, if the Colonial fleet at Scorpia had found out about the CNP and had a few minutes of alert time before the Cylons arrived. On this I forgot to bring the Vipers out.

[@Washuluver87]

Funny enough it was mentioned in the show by the Cylons that even with the CNP comprimised they weren't expecting such a clean sweep. They also acknowledged that the Colonial fleet was superior to their own.

[@mgDuckyyy]

Never made sense though. They cleaned up the Colonial fleet in hours, Had enough Base Ships to nuke every colony and attack every ship yard. But still only ever at 1 moment was there no more than 3 Base Stars against Galactica. It should've been game over when Galactica and the civilian fleet were at Ragnar Anchorage, The Cylons knew they were there hours before but still only sent a token force.

[@Washuluver87]

@@mgDuckyyy As stated by Cavil in "The Plan" they had their foot on the neck of humanity but didn't press down hard enough. What I interpeteted that to mean is they thought the Civilian Fleet and Galactica would just eventually run out of resources and starve before finding a place to settle, so they didn't pursue them as vigorously as they should have.

[@Necromonger69]

@@mgDuckyyy There would never be a Battlestar Galactica show if they did send a whole force.😁

[@verdebusterAP]

The Cylon attack made no sense The fact that Colonial military had Ragnar Anchorage meant that in case of Cylon attack, it would be a fall back point Second when D was talking to Gaeta about the number of malfunctions that Battlestars were experiencing Its again strange that no one from the admiralty didnt order the fleet to Ragnar Anchorage till they could have figured out what was going on

[@Washuluver87]

@@verdebusterAP Likely due to the rapidness of the attack and in the first wave of the attack Fleet Headquarters was the one of the first places hit.

[@The_Zilli]

gotta love the replay aspect from this game however I still think the colonies would have been screwed thanks to the cylon's ability to disable the fleet. Galatica was the exception because they weren't running a computer network. I can't recall what had happened with the Peagus but I believe it also had something to do with the system not being up and running in time for the ambush but either way, still a fun what if scenario.

[@andrewnlarsen]

For Pegasus, she had her systems down for the retrofit to put in the new CNP. Like I said for the description to this that had the colonial fleet had time to remove the CNP and get to action stations before the Cylon fleet arrived.

[@The_Zilli]

@@andrewnlarsen my bad, did not see that part

[@captainr800]

Galatica didn’t have the new system because it was being decommissioned at the time, for Pegasus I think they had their new system offline for repairs or upgrades.

[@Schnittertm1]

@@captainr800 That and they managed to find out about the manipulation by capturing a Six, if I remember correctly.

[@kitfo18]

This is spot on true. Not much wou8ld have been different.

[@Ohotniktrolly]

From the actual storyline of the series, I wonder if, among the human-form Cylons, there was a single tactician among them. One way around this is from a non-canon source (comics), which had the creation of the mind of each human-form Cylon as an amalgamation of a Centurion consciousness with a pre-set template for each model. The Centurions showed themselves to be extremely clever tacticians. Especially the 0005s.

[@michaelhearson]

That was very cool. That's how Battlestar Galactic should have been, at least the reimagining in my opinion in a What If scenario. Thanks for sharing. Awesome narrative.😁👍👍

[@Mobius_118]

I think this just shows the major flaws of the Modern Basestars. They were designed to be carriers and weapons platforms for nuclear munitions, so they're at a major disadvantage in a straight out capital ship brawl with the Colonials (as we saw during the Resurrection Ship battle).

[@Cailus3542]

Well, you're right. The basestars aren't real warships, and were never intended as such. The Cylons were machines, and they thought like machines: singular purpose. They could never match the industrial power of the Twelve Colonies in a conventional war, so they threw all their eggs into a nuclear basket with no fleet diversity whatsoever, no contingencies. It's a safe bet that if the CNP infilltration had failed but the Cylons still attacked, the initial assault would have been reasonably successful with enormous civilian and military casualties. The Colonial Fleet counterattack (which did actually happen in the show) would, however, have smashed the Cylons in very short order. The humans would have certainly won the war in the long run. Hell, just two undercrewed battlestars won the war eventually anyway. The cost, though, would've been enormous.

[@Mobius_118]

@mandellorian You mean, the machines that also have the classic weakness known as a religion? The ones who entered a stalemate with the Colonials prior to them signing the armistice at the end of the first war? The same ones that developed a Basestar that was completely ineffective against a Colonial Battlestar without its fighter complement? Who consistently failed to destroy a single Battlestar over the course of four years, so much so that their target eventually died of old age? The ones that are part organic, to the point where someone can actually "lobotomize" them? The ones that decided to build human versions of themselves? Those machines?

[@protorhinocerator142]

But also, in a world where the enemy can jump in out of nowhere in seconds, you can't ever afford to have the battlestars offline, or being retrofitted, or anything. There would be a whole crazy logistics process for retrofitting a battlestar. You'd have to keep it as-is, then redo the core of the ship, and then maybe really fast (in a week or so) take all the armor off the old ship and tack it onto the new core. And do one at a time like that. It wouldn't ever make sense to have 20-30 battlestars just loitering around unmanned, shut down, or under repair. The whole conops needs to be changed to reflect those realities. The initial attack was extremely stupid on the part of the Colonies. Just like the existence of the Holdo Maneuver would rewrite all the tactics for Star Wars. Why didn't someone just do that to the Death Star? No capital ships are safe if you can Holdo them.

[@Mobius_118]

@@protorhinocerator142 Given how prolific the Valkyrie class Battlestars were, it's highly unlikely that the ships that were undergoing maintenance and upgrades affected the Colonials' combat capabilities to the point that the Cylons would find a high value target underdefended.

[@notfeedynotlazy]

hilariously, this exactly backwards of how the source material was. In the original series, the cylon basestars are stated to be literal killer ships, with much heavier anti-ship weaponry than their Colonial counterparts.

[@PaulGuy]

That tactic of stacking ships is pretty smart. The AI is only going to target one ship in the formation, but there's three ships there throwing fire back, and it looks like two throwing up flak, to defend the missiles coming at one of them.

[@8910Bel]

I really like you maneuver with the two Valykries above and below the Minotaur, protecting with a flak screen!

[@andrewnlarsen]

That is actually a Berzerk class carrier (which was seen in BSG Razor at Scorpion Fleet Shipyards).

[@Sephiroth144]

Well, alerted and the CNP backdoor was discovered/patched... I mean, they could be alerted, but if the ships turn off, doesn't really help much. Though does make me wonder- if the Cylons jumped in and found an alert and combat ready fleet, would they engage, retreat, or nuke the Colonies directly while just eating the losses?

[@arillwiltker]

With them being tacticians, as a whole, I guess had they jumped in and found their adversary still capable they would have nuked the planets and tried to run, regroup, and then come back and pick apart the fleet at their leisure

[@Sephiroth144]

@@arillwiltker Or at least dumped every nuke they had on board towards the colonials (any target of opportunity) and then run like hell, yeah...

[@verdebusterAP]

Most likely they would have pressed the attack

[@desertdude8274]

@@arillwiltker It would be a repeat of the last war.q

[@madman026]

yeah the loss of Scorpia Shipyards really was the colonial pural harbor

[@bubbasynklayr6965]

I don't think a few minutes would have mattered. A shipyard is used to build and service ships. Therefore, all ships under construction would not be combat-ready, and ships undergoing overhaul or refit would have a lot of systems offline.

[@Mobius_118]

It would've given them time to deploy the massive amount of Vipers and Raptors we see getting destroyed in the opening salvo. And given that it's a shipyard, it's highly likely there'd be a few fully operational Battlestars guarding it. And it's not unreasonable to believe that they'd jump in reinforcements.

[@Cailus3542]

Given that the Colonials have jump drives, they could have a half dozen battlestar groups anywhere in the star system within minutes. On a large scale, they actually outnumbered the Cylons in terms of battlestars, not to mention smaller warships.

[@fredmdbud]

@@Cailus3542 The Colonies had 120 battlestars of different varieties, according to the mini-series. They never did pin down how many baseships the Cylons had. But the baseships are "grown", and built assumedly with Centurions that could work around-the-clock.

[@RayMKlll]

I mean, due to limits in the scale of a fleet, it figures that the Basestars here would be heavily outnumbered... in an actual scenario, there would've been a LOT more of them... enough to bombard the shipyards from all directions...

[@legasius9358]

Well, this is a scenario that's supposed to display a situation where: Colonies have been alerted and are ready for an attack Cylons expect an easy victory due to the infiltration of colonial defense systems Therefore, cylons sent just enough to destroy defenceless targets and nuke the planets, while colonies deploy everything

[@cmj0929]

Without the CNP the cylons definitely would’ve been wiped out no question about it

[@fredmdbud]

FTL baseships over key Colonial cities and nuke them, FTL away - let the radiation and nuclear winters do the rest.

[@_spooT]

Honestly the Second War era Cylons were a shadow compared to the ones during the first Cylon War. Their ship classes were so flexible that different tactics needed to be used against them. In the second Cylon war it's like they just stopped trying or at least thought that their basestar spam and nukes were enough. In a way that was true considering how it turned out. But imagine if Baltar wasn't so horny that he became a simp. Cylons would've gotten stomped hard.

[@LORDANUBlS]

Look at what galactica did by itself and then with Pegasus multiply that by 60

[@Stormx2233]

Voiceover is just so funny and out of world..

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

It would have made no difference, the code was still on the ships computers, all the cylons had to do is activate the code and they would be dead, the only ones escaping would be ships were the upgrade wasn't active yet, they would have done damage, but I don't think it would have been enough. Whit the upgrade removed, well they would have had much better chances, but due to the networking systems, the cylons would have been able to cripple several ships, Good plan to have colonial ships in pairs, very good as well for the cylons to do does short jumps, very good tactics

[@wedgeantillies66]

Interesting theory and one I agree is certainly feasible as if the virus in cnp is discovered by some checking and peer review of the program in one single Battlestar, before it goes fleet wide. Suspect that even allowing for surprise the might of the colonial fleet and its planetary defensive systems defending the worlds of the 12 colonies would have defeated the cylon attack abet with some losses to the fleet. As colonial fleet outnumbers the cylon fleet any day of the week in numbers and strength.

[@tarn1135]

It was “peer” reviewed. Unfortunately the skin jobs were the “peers” that reviewed it. Besides the weakness wouldn’t have been known or even been able to have been known prior to the assault. Of all the faults I have with the series, especially seasons 3.5 till the end, the shut down code wasn’t one of them, I mean outside of the fact that the colonies’ main enemy was a species of learning computers that any idiot should’ve been able to assume the worst case scenario of the cylons learning to put shut down codes in other computers. As for the numbers game attrition is every militaries worst enemy, but you’d think mass production of centurions and activation of all the skin jobs possible would tip the balance of power into the Cylons favor. We can talk all day day and night about the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s of this universe and I’ll grant you the thought of humans were around longer and should possibly be more numerous then the various cylons but, again that only goes to the point of the first decade maybe after that production should be easy for mass production, or just for all that and ftl jump in a bunch of asteroids or nuke strapped raiders into each the colonies and shipyards. Just my two cents I could be wrong.

[@wedgeantillies66]

@@tarn1135 Thanks for the reply. Hmm, that does indeed, make a whole lot of sense, but as you say given they are facing an enemy, who has always been able to hack into and dominate their computer systems at will. They should have always haver stuck to decentralised limited computer systems like you see on galactic instead of effectively leaving the back store open by putting in massive complex computer system that has plenty of backdoors to be hacked through. On the numbers side of things, given we never see any real sign of cylon infrastructure apart from hub and colony, cannot know for sure who had the more numerically superior military forces at their disposal., even allowing for mechation advantage of the cylons as seems to be that old first war cylon models and ships are retired and reused to build newer models over time as we never see them used again after original war.

[@tomaskops7119]

Actualization? Postpone! :D

[@tarn1135]

@@wedgeantillies66 never forget the real reason for the back door and other advantages the cylons had, the writers needed a way to make the show happen. Lol. Or as I like to say because the s riot said so.

[@wedgeantillies66]

@@tarn1135 Indeed as they already used a surprise attack in the original series at the end of a thousand year war during a peace conference. So as you say they had to come up with a new way to even the playing field and allow colonies to be destroyed.

[@xkm-thebasetecchannel3823]

Well, IF they ever had a chance at all, they would not have been plagued by the delays when the graphics are rendered!

[@e.l.wallace9060]

So i guess at this point every ship just disingaged their computer systems!Cause if i remember corretly the cylons only won because they corrupted the CNP of the battlestar and thats why they all suddenly deativate. That would probebly be a pretty cool scence. You cut to interior shots of pegasus and eberyone is trying to fill positions that are usually taken by the CNP

[@sudburylawyer]

I had friends on that basestar

[@chrisstetsko5020]

That's a bunch of feltercarb. The Cylons would've come in and simply "switched off" all of the automated systems and ships' computers like they did everywhere else. Remember the fleet at Picon had been alert and was ready when the Cylons arrived. The Cylons simply turned everything off and the rest was a turkey shoot. Infact that scene played out in "The Plan".

[@andrewnlarsen]

No the fleet at Picon was completely taken by surprise. And also then Cylon hacking focused completely on the CNP. Once that was taken out of the equation...the odds may have been more even.

[@chrisstetsko5020]

@@andrewnlarsen watch this video especially at 1:42. The fleet at Picon was up and ready. But the Cylons turned everything off, and the fleet was helpless. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWSckqmXl9SBiqs

[@Lightsoul1987]

If Scorpia Shipyards had been alerted. Even then the battle would have had no other outcome. The Cylons can still easily hack in there main Systems and shut down energy on all ships thanks to the back door of the manipulated navigation program running on almost every ship in the fleet.

[@andrewnlarsen]

For Pegasus, she had her systems down for the retrofit to put in the new CNP. Like I said for the description to this that had the colonial fleet had time to remove the CNP and get to action stations before the Cylon fleet arrived.

[@techthumbs3559]

It would have sucked to be the IT sysadmins having to wipe the systems of CNP with minimal notice lol

[@commodorejones8044]

We still have people out there playing PVP matches? that's awesome!

[@andrewnlarsen]

this is actually a skirmish match against the computer.

[@chaszczek]

well you can always said that they didnt have time to patch out vipers from cnp

[@andrewnlarsen]

Good call.

[@protorhinocerator142]

Simply being alerted wouldn't have been enough. The Cylons had a computer hack that could disable battlestars. They would have had to compensate for that too.

[@andrewnlarsen]

It would also have to include disabling the CNP

[@majordakka5743]

Does the game solve the most glaring plot hole of the series? The confounding lack of nuclear shells?

[@andrewnlarsen]

You mean nuclear weapons...in the game they are usually one-shot weapons. The best place to have nuclear weapons are on Argos class basestars since they can reload (an ability that the modern basestars in the game don't have).

[@brianswearingin322]

Well, Galactica had limited Nukes. I remember them referring to that

[@voodoominerman]

@@andrewnlarsen i think they mean something along the line of ballistic nuclear weapons, rather than missiles. All I can think of is how catastrophic a misfire could be. Imagine a nuke going off inside your main gun.

[@Starfleet8555]

You probably should've replaced the Jupiter with a Mercury. By the time of the 2nd war, There was only 1 Jupiter left in service.

[@andrewnlarsen]

Actually there were a few Jupiters left in service (but they were all upgraded with networks and the CNP). One was destroyed over Caprica during the mini-series and one or two others were seen in Razor docked at Scorpion Fleet Shipyard.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

@@andrewnlarsen well let’s say your scenario depicts a senior officer like myself who’s naturally distrustful of integrated tech from the first cylon war . Who had a tech look at the CNP nav program and found the back door in the system and decided to remove the program and patch it later

[@sidedace1512]

whats the song in this clip?

[@andrewnlarsen]

Its called Herald and its from the soundtrack for Battlestar Galactica deadlock.

[@sidedace1512]

@@andrewnlarsen thank you!

[@fredlandry6170]

No Cylon Virus?

[@andrewnlarsen]

No. As I said, this is based on the possibility that the fleet was alerted and had some time (not alot) to get rid of the compromised CNP before the Cylons arrived.

[@jimchanthongse2251]

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