How the Battle of New Caprica Should've Ended (Remastered)

This how the battle of New Caprica should've ended instead of what happened.
Let me Know how I did or any battle suggestions you guys may have, in the comments below.
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[@lordmogg-wright5467]

It frakkin hurts that you can't name the Jupiter Class _Galactica_

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Worst part is that you used to be able to

[@thesparduck117]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 why they change that?

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

@@thesparduck117 best as I can tell, the devs just arbitrarily decided that you cant 1 day. Same question is being asked about why you can custom name ships in campaign but not skirmish/multiplayer. Ultimately I think there was a dev who thought it would be funny.

[@tuxedotservo]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 - I think they they don't allow you to custom name your ships in skirmish/MP is that they didn't want MP games with ships named "FrakYoMa" or other such things. I can *sorta* see that - not allowing someone to name their ship Galactica in the campaign is just weird, unless it blows something up with ship-specific missions.

[@electrohalo8798]

@@tuxedotservo the reason for that is simple, so you can’t have 2 galacticas as the old girl herself shows up towards the end of the main campaign, there can only be one!

[@christerry8462]

To be honest we all know any halfway decent commander would of been able to win the battle without losing a Battlestar

[@Rockin4D]

I think the issue was that the Pegasus didn't really have enough crewman to properly use to full battle potential. Back during the battle it was sacrificed to draw attention away from Galactica and to allow the colonists to escape the surface.

[@SnapJack8991]

Lee was a good CAG but he was not cut out to be captain of a capital ship-of-the-line

[@jediwansond8763]

Just because he's your son doesn't mean he has same command skill

[@qubex]

Thank-you for this. Lovely to see a Pegasus-class Battlestar strutting its stuff. I was always so disappointed the show runners decided that narrative logic demanded the Pegasus be lost to even the odds, and I resent that they made her go out in such a strategically hamfisted manner.

[@kurtemonster578]

The way Pegasus went out was an homage to the original 70's series

[@MrCharlieSeo]

This game was a gift for the people who loved BSG. Amazing game. Only other space strategy game I liked was Homeworld

[@Luciferdesrea]

Sins of a Solar Empire is good for Dirty big Space Battles.

[@philipplyanguzov9090]

Battlefleet Gothic's also very fun

[@greg-qc4iy]

And the new nebulous fleet command is awesome.

[@kathrynradonich3982]

@@Luciferdesrea i came here to say just this. I love sins of a solar empire

[@thatsnomoon4221]

I just wish it wasn't turn-based

[@AmandaFessler]

According wikipedia: "The Battle of Gaugamela, also called the Battle of Arbela, took place in 331 BC between the forces of the Army of Macedon under Alexander the Great and the Persian Army under King Darius III. It was the second and final battle between the two kings, and is considered to be the final blow to the Achaemenid Empire, resulting in its complete conquest by Alexander." Tbh not a bad name at all for a Jupiter-class. :)

[@RayPall]

Hate to be that guy, but while it is a cool name, it doesn't make sense from the lore standpoint. The re-imagined BSG timeline established that the entire Twelve Colonies of Cobol history predates the Earth's history by 150 000 years, so this battlestar would exist tens of thousands of years before the actual battle of Gaugamela took place.

[@AmandaFessler]

@@RayPall I understand where you're coming from, no worries. I tend to be that guy myself. But RDM BSG has a tendency to do a lot of... I forgot the word... It's where old names are repurposed for new instances. Things like New York, New Jersey, these place of course named for York and Jersey, and even in the story's case, New Caprica. The Olympian mythology is in full swing with some differences, of course, presumably because over the 150,000 years, it evolved/was forgotten/rediscovered. We have Battlestars named Columbia and Atlantia, which have their own distinct IRL lore, but must clearly have some sort of significance in Colonial culture to be given to Jupiter-class units. Who's to say that Gaugamela isn't some old Colonial name that had its own significance before the fall, and that being the site of Alexander's final battle against Darius is a coincidence? It's just my tendency to imagine Watsonian answers to questions like this. Of course the Doylian answer is that the Devs threw in a bunch of ancient names to fit BSG's theme of using ancient names for their warships, and there's no way it would have been named after Alexander's battlefield. That said, the name is part of the random generator, and so even knowing the Doylian answer, I can't help but try to find Watsonian explanations for it, because it helps exercise my creativity and imagination. Plus it's a lot of fun to speculate like this! Have a nice day. :)

[@Sephiroth144]

To be fair, you didn't have the start of the battle as the same... For it to feel like the Battle of New Caprica, having a Jupiter in the middle of four Battlestars, no fighters, with a Mercury approaching from outside that formation, would've been the starting point. (Granted, not sure how much modding you'd need to get that going in Deadlock). Admittedly, my main issue with the battle was Lee not recognizing that thinning the enemy ranks is a more effective strategy to save the Galactica than making Pegasus a target. The initial alpha strike took out a quarter of the Cylon capital forces- but instead of capitalizing on it and turning a broadside to a second Basestar (which would be able to launch a second alpha strike, or just pound the living crap out of the next one), he just tries to take Galactica's place in the center of the Cylon kill zone.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

It's titled how it should've ended. But I do agree that it isn't entirely accurate. I'm limited by the capabilities of the game.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 Indeed- as I noted, how much modding it would take to get the initial placements would be, well, definitely above my level.

[@christiangilligan9186]

I assumed this battle was based on NOT leaving 65% of your engagement force off the board.

[@evanwright6244]

The broadside salvo of the mercury class isn’t as effective as a forward salvo. While it has turrets in the horizontal gap and on the flight pods, it’s main battery is fixed forward.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@evanwright6244 And he still put the Pegasus in the middle instead of maneuvering at range to bracket another target...

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

I would prefer both battlestars surviving the battle and also managing to board and seize the 2 Cylon basestars. Thanks for giving us 2 baseships. Keep sending more capital ships because we need to rebuild the Colonial Fleet with your Cylon equipment. We do appreciate your weapons donations. 🤣

[@richardkenan2891]

Having seen how well (not) Cylon Baseships perform in actual combat, I don't think they'd want them. Cylon ship design is so horribly broken in the Second War that it's not even a joke. It's like they learned nothing at all from the Frist Cylon War. OK, that's unfair. They learned a lot. Just not enough. They learned to be patient and only attack when the time is right. They learned that when they do attack, make it absolutely *CRIPPLING*. They learned that humans can make a deadly ship of war almost without regard to the limitations your technical superiority grants you. What they did *NOT* learn is that missiles, being by nature fragile things, are easily stopped by flak, and thus unsuitable as primary armaments. Nor did they learn that capital ships need to be built tough enough to survive being hammerred. Nor did they learn that war is not a game and you don't play with the last remnants of your defeated enemy.

[@danmacneil1895]

Would have loved a battlestar grand strategic game based on both versions! Adding more tactical less hands on point and shot! With cinematic window building etc

[@JeanLucCaptain]

the fact that Pegesus surivied on here own unsupproted with an insnae commander for as long as she did is basically proof that their should be at least more Battlestars still around that escaped or are in hiding doing whatever they can to hurt the cylons and help the surving colonials get out. would have been cool for season to see the other ragtag fleets and how they where doing.

[@Rockin4D]

Admiral Cain when she found stranded colonists during the fall decided to press into service any civilians she saw fit, cannibalize ship equipment and supplies, then abandon the civilians to their fate leaving them behind.

[@stephanbateman5410]

That was very impressive. Excellent work.

[@jeffsmith4835]

The battlestars actually outclassed the basestar the basestar was to dependent on missles

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

And that's y u never abandon ballistics. By the end of the show the gallactica would've been long destroyed if they shot and landed a full mag from a hand gun from each basestar they encountered. Instead the ship basically died only because of shortcuts taken during construction with old age

[@crazyorangejoe3039]

You gotta love the durability of those Battlestars no doubt. Even though she was always outnumbered and outgunned, Galactica was lighting up space and beating back cyclons just like it was supposed to. Truly a shame to watch the Pegasus go out like she did 😭

[@Tryst46]

The Cylons had the advantage in that they took over the entire fleet by hacking into the ships network. When you can control the enemy's ship, it's firepower becomes irrelevant. Galactica was immune because it was old and had no computer network to hack into.

[@Lightray110]

@@crazyorangejoe3039 Agreed. But she went out like a true Battlestar: taking Three Cylon Base ships with her.

[@HIPsteHeero]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 Aah yeah, it still breaks my heart every time I rewatch the show. The moment they find out that the ship is dying. "She broke her back." Is still such a powerful and sad moment when that happens to the ship.

[@ethenallen1388]

I'm assuming the first thing Admiral Adama did was to transfer his command to the Pegasus, the way he should have in reality.

[@jenshep1720]

thanks for making this :)

[@lucasmedina9839]

1:14 I love this part. it's like fireworks 🎆.

[@superzentredi]

The key to success in battle is applying maximum force at the point of attack, you never go into battle with half your available strength. This battle could have been won with both battlestars surviving because the objective was never to defeat the 4 basestars but to distract them long enough for the ships on the surface to evacuate. 1st Battlestar folds in as a distraction begins engagement with full air wing (Galactica) 2nd Battlestar folds into close low orbit (Pegasus) and launches 1/2 of it's air wing to the planet like they did in the series 1/2 to engage the basestars own raiders. You have the basestars bracketed with your main batteries on both sides and you can begin to draw them away from the planet while the civies evacuate. Both Adamas messed up pretty bad in this battle.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

The interesting thing is that they could've destroyed the basestars if they wanted to. But ultimately you are correct in that analysis.

[@Dan19870]

I can't wait to see the next BSG game the Dev's make.

[@mikevanroy9356]

In the SyFy series the Basestars had almost no defenses. Not even flak shields. It should have been easy for a Battlestar to take a few of them out.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

They did. The thing you have to remember is that the cylons had superior numbers by far and that the flak rounds came from the galacticas main cannons

[@warthunder9155]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 also you should remember in the real battle of new Caprica galactica was short of personal and vipers along with most of her armor being stripped. On top of all that pegasus only had a skeleton crew and no vipers, because of lee being dumb.

[@warthunder9155]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 could you do this with a jupiter mk1 and fly all of pegasus's vipers out of the battle immediately?

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

@@warthunder9155 yeah. Probably just not launch them from the Pegasus to be honest

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

@@warthunder9155 Hensel the title "How it Should've Ended." The battle of New Caprica was the onset of a series of really stupid decisions by Lee and William Adama, as well as no one really speaking up to how piss poor the fleets battle readiness was

[@EnterpriseXI]

Imagine if Adama was in command of the fleet before the fall of the 12 colonies. If he had his way all colonial warships would not have had their systems networked, and if that happened the colonials would have really put up a fight against the cylons

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

If the colonials didn't get their shit hacked the Cylons wouldn't of stood a chance. The issue wasn't even really that their systems were networked as much as baltar let caprica 6 into the defense mainframe as well as "rewrite half his code." Just exercising proper security protocol could've prevented the fall when it come right down to it.

[@jdibagg7543]

are the images from bsg deadlock? if so you did a excellent job remastering them

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Yes they are. Thank you

[@mostlymessingabout]

This looks fracking good

[@kargandarr]

I still say that the battlestars in the new Galactica series should have still had lasers and other forms of energy weapons.

[@Orion2525]

Never understood why there missles are so low tech, if you see the contrails, would suggest they are using chemical combustion, while the ship engines do not have contrails

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Graphical choice probably. But also the in lore reason is probably cost vs efficiency if I had to guess

[@Shinzon23]

Because fusion drives are expensive as hell, and you can find better uses for them in your fighters and small craft. It's likely also infinitely cheaper; with chemical drives you can mine asteroids and comets for the chemicals needed, and asides from the guidance, fuze, and warhead, your electronics needs are small, and could easily be met by having a chip manifactory in a cargo bay you feed raw materials into. However, fusion drives require a lot more specialized parts,magnetics,and computer control to work, which drives up materials costs and time to make, both of which are vital to keep in mind if your dumping hundreds or thousands of missiles in a engagement.

[@haroldchase4120]

The enemy could use higher tech and turn it back against them . That’s why battle stars used much lower tech

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@haroldchase4120 well actually the Mercury borke that trend and had good cmputers but they were suppsoed to be firewalled, the CNP of course got in through the back way.

[@Trapster99]

Where the hell is Baltar yelling 'Burn Galactica, BURN!".

[@gasorg]

Stuck in a time loop in a parallel universe listening to his Centurion co-pilot monotoning "No, it is a battlestar" for all eternity.

[@Trapster99]

@@gasorg Yeah, and the look on Baltar's face when he realized there was another Battlestar.

[@snuggb8960]

That´s exactly how it should have ended! Damn you Apollo. Bring your Vipers to the fight!

[@dracopendragon6829]

All he really needed to do was keep his ship out of the kill box! He should've been shot for gross incompetence!

[@assassinenzo1373]

And leave the civilians undefended?

[@andrewrobb3258]

Civi was hidden and if found the vipers wouldn't have matter much there any ways. They would have matted in the base star fight thou.

[@andrewrobb3258]

Also they should have used what nukes they had too. This was an all in fight and they should have treated it as such.

[@frederalbacon]

I’ve always thought that, if they had been willing to risk both Battlestars, maybe they could have kept both. Risking both is something I know that would be insane, but with the vast majority of humanity on NC, you’d think it would be an “all cards on the table” kinda thing, IE, either we save everyone, or humanity ends right now kinda thing.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

I agree. Especially considering the actual capabilities of the Pegasus, I would say the risk to reward ratio is heavily in favor of throwing everything at the cylons. I made this to show that if I can do this in a balanced video game they would've been outgunned the cylons significantly.

[@frederalbacon]

​@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 Well...calling Deadlock balanced is generous, lol. There's certainly a Colonial advantage, at least what I've found. With that said, the battle as executed was perfect. The drones, the jump into (and out of) atmosphere to launch the Vipers inside of the blockade, etc, did the job. Losing the more modern of the battlestars wasn't even the wrong move (Galactica survived the Fall because the CNP hack didn't bother them at all, Pegasus survived the Fall from a sheer dumb luck blind jump, keeping a Jupiter was the better idea) but they ALMOST lost Galactica too. That's where I don't understand anything, because Apollo was the dumbest person alive risking the second Battlestar with NO plan, NO fighters, and no way out. It was sheer plot armor Galactica's FTLs were able to be fixed that quickly within seconds of them giving up and accepting death, and Apollo couldn't have known that would for sure happen. That's my whole issue with the thing, the result could have been the same, sacrificing one Battlestar to escape, but it could have been planned.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

@@frederalbacon interesting view on the battle. I disagree on that the galactica probably shouldn't have executed the Adama maneuver it would've taken longer for the fighters to get to the surface but it would've damaged the galactica far less to start off with. But how do u figure that sacrificing the Pegasus was preferable? They had all the facilities that the galactica had plus vr training suits, significantly more fire power, fighter production facilities, and a larger fighter launch capacity. I'm sure I'm forgetting things the Pegasus had too.

[@Starfleet8555]

Dam you Lee

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

Thank you Lee

[@icarus_falling]

I know pegasus had to go to return humanity to being on the run with metal fatigue killing galactica in the end but it does bug me that pegasus can't jump when galactica does. By all accounts pegasus had 3 separate FTL drives and was much more survivable than galactica. But pegasus surviving would mean the series would go on longer than RDM wanted it to... Also I love deadlock. I was one of the beta testers for the last pack they did. Was fun.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Same. Great game

[@emersonalencarjunior8291]

Idk, but sometimes I feel that the Battlestar Pegasus should have been sacrificed at the Crossroads Pt.2 Episode. Something like dying in such a mighty blaze of glory, blowing up two or three basestars of a fleet of eight or nine, stalling them to allow the colonials to spool their FTLs... But even that failed as the remainder of the Cylon fleet turns their eyes to the ragtag fleet and to the Galactica. While both the Galactica and the ragtag fleet were under attack and suffering their losses, Anders is scanned during combat flying and then things go as they did in the show. And Deadlock rulz!

[@colormedubious4747]

Peggy had to go because they needed room for the base ship interior sets.

[@immanuel_shadowhammonds2813]

I don't like how they redesigned the Base Stars, I like the older design with the attached double saucer shape

[@SpreadingtheMuse]

I suppose anything is better than what actually happened. So many smarter ways to have that battle :/

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

True. The worst part is they could've had the galactica do something like that instead and it would've made way more sense. Maybe rename the Pegasus the galactica for the sake of the show.

[@LabradorIndependent]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 It might've made more sense in-universe, but Galactica was as much a character in the show as the cast. It wasn't just a name. Part of the appeal of the show was being on the run in a tired fifty year old warship, not a state of the art vessel. For me, watching Pegasus arrive at Earth would've been nowhere near as satisfying as seeing a beaten up Galactica glide over the moon. Besides which, the Pegasus set was considerably smaller. You never would've got the incredible production value of the Galactica CIC or corridor sets again. I agree they could've found a less idiotic way for Lee to sacrifice the Pegasus rather than fly into the battle never intending to fly it out.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

General Quarters, General Quarters All hands man your battle stations All hands man your battle stations This is a Drill, This is a Drill

[@Wildcard120]

Most interesting.

[@tuxedotservo]

Surprised you didn't use the Mk II Jupiter for Galactica - it's the model of what Galactica was at the Battle of New Caprica, with the removed 3rd flight pod support and the dorsal hull design. Plus, Mk II has more guns on the ventral hull. Curious if you had a reason for choosing the Mk I variant... If Lee had put Pegasus in *any* better posture, he might not lose the ship. He went in thinking "one-way trip" and that's what he got for the poor Peggy. Annihilating the first basehip had already gotten their attention - he didn't need to be supid about, but alas...

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

It is the mk2. They didn't really make many overt changes to the ship models in the game but I assure you it's a mk2

[@tuxedotservo]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 my eyes must have been a special level of awful that day... and I don't remember the comment. Whatever past me was looking at was way wrong 😅

[@briankriens5645]

That was much more like how it would have really gone down. The writers of that battle must have been drunk if they thought we, the fans, would like seeing how incompetent Lee Adama is by how he handled the battle. For anyone that hasn't tried it BSG Deadlock is an awesome game.

[@bubbasynklayr6965]

Cool...

[@jediwansond8763]

How the hell way networked any thing consider a good idea. Especial when they were fight a machine race. Even taken by suprise they should still had a fleet

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Tbh idk y they networked anything into comms. That would be the only way for the cylons to hack into the ship without being aboard

[@nfldend501]

I dun get it pegasus never used it main battery but i do rhink they should have loaded raptors with nukes like assualt on colomy nd jumped them in behind the 3 cylon baseatara while the fightwrs qere atill on thier way back

[@MostlyPennyCat]

How come the humans are using missiles? I thought missiles are always jammed by the Cylons?

[@peaceraybob]

The gameplay was fine, its the game itself that annoys me. Radio discipline is a thing for good reasons, flooding your primary (or only) tactical control circuit with INTERNAL COMMS is not helpful. Likewise allowing every Tom, Dick and Harriet to blurt pointless irrelevancies. You have a C3I circuit, bloody use it! Actual relevant information would be so much more useful and immersive. If the game's engine can't handle that, then how about using this circuit for tactical maneuver signaling? Every time you direct one of your ships to change formation, have that echoed over the radio. Anyway, as I said, you played a good game. I just feel that this real-time battle sim's designers need to get to sea during naval exercises just to get some idea of what's involved. Probably not on a Yank ship, though, as my experience is that they can get a little excitable.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Agree. However this can transmissions can be put out on any channel and the game is just playing the audio because it sounds cool or whatever. Also that's asking for common sense of game producers, which aint so common. I.e. big offices like Activision just use airsoft guns to model their games. The last cod game literally had a hicap winding wheel on the bottom of the mag of some of the m4 variants.

[@michaelwoods2672]

You can turn off the irrelevant battle chatter in the options, which leaves you with only things actually being said to you (like "adjusting heading," "preparing nuclear strike," "[ship class] taking damage" etc.) I did because I found it annoying for the same reason you did, I get that - like the sound effects for guns fireing etc. - it's just filling the soundscape with battle sounds to convey the chaos and danger facing your troops in what would otherwise be a silent battle, but I found it personally found it jarring in a way the sounds effects aren't.

[@Preyhawk81]

Dont know why Apollo dint use the Nukes. If i remember correctly the 1978 cain shot missiles at the 2 basestars. If Apollo did the same the pegasus would survive :)

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

I don't know if they had any nukes on-board and if they did how many. Also account for them being shot down by raiders. Each basestar carries approximately 200 and there were I believe 7 during the whole battle. Correct me if I'm wrong

[@joshjenkins3815]

What about early detonation while at the front of the raiders. Would have been tough but the range of effect could have been enough to deal some damage. Kinda sad we never got to see galactica use her nukes.

[@juanpaez6349]

Epic memories of a glorious past. Believe it or not, this happened in the past, and more. Reality exceeds fiction, remains of the ancient interstellar battles are found both on the Moon and on the other planets of the Solar System, including Earth, but it is kept secret, however there is always information that is filtered and then this is published as Science Fiction in books and movies.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Maybe. Would make everything super interesting in our universe.

[@johnrettig1880]

I don't understand why these Battlestars Don't start with a salvo of Heavy Nukes and just shutdown BASE STARS with a Large Dose of EMP . I Mean Come On Regular Rockets are getting through and hitting .

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

In lore reason is because all their systems r emp and radiation hardened. That goes for all military craft with the obvious exception of fighters and other small craft. In game reason it doesn't effect small craft and civilian vessels is for balancing. Plus the game will only let u carry 1 nuke per slot and u have to have visual ID confirmation before u can launch guided munitions. Further than that 2 words, fighter screen.

[@johnrettig1880]

@@vulturegamingandairsoft2104 I don't play games of this type . I am a Syfy and Board games fan . But thanks for the info .

[@Puerkl8r]

@@johnrettig1880 It's actually a turn based strategy game that plays a lot like a board game, they just have a replay mode that plays all the turns seamlessly to look more cinematic.

[@jdibagg7543]

if you want to be technical a nuke produces a electro magnetic pulse when it is detonated.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

@@jdibagg7543 all the ships r emp hardened because of this. Only specialized hardware can effect these ships at all. Beyond that emps don't really effect modern basestars as much due to their organic components

[@Rumblestrip]

Yepyep... Pegasus was lost to poor tactics by a kid who couldn't see daylight after have a rectal-cranial inversion... That was my thought when it was a brand new episode that week, and its still my thought now. When i did it on Deadlock, i didnt even use the air groups. Left the birds on the deck to similulate leaving the air wing as ground support. Ultimately they werent needed using PDCs for what PDCs are for and utilizing proper flak suppression and letting Battlestars work to their proper strengths against basestars and stand-off attrition fighting. Its pretty simple. Theres no way cylons walk away after picking a fight with colonial forces. Yea their alpha strike with surprise on their side is brutal, but they're one shot poneys. After the initial shock and awe, its a colonial fight after that. Just settle in and go for the long haul.

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

Yeah if the battlestars started from the beginning trying to win they could have. Also don’t forget the extra two that jumped in late in the game.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Still the Pegasus could've destroyed enough basestars and damaged the others enough to where if the galactica helped they would easily be able to take care of the Cylon reinforcements

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

Oh I agree, especially if they can dispatch at least two before they arrive. I just wanna see more explosions >.

[@caseyferrill6953]

I gave it a like but took it back. It just doesn't seem logical to me that the Cylons, with all these other ships warping into the battle scene, would suffer the huge losses they did. Apart from this, the fx, of course, are impeccable.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

So this was done in the game battlestar galactica Deadlock. So I tried to make it as quick as possible before the cylon ships ran out of missiles. But if u think about it makes sense even in the context of the show. I.e. the cylons used missiles exclusively on their basestars when the colonial ships used both missiles and ballistics. The concept of this video was that Lee adama should've brought his vipers to the battle as they wouldn't be able to do any meaningful damage against a basestar alone so they would've been able to help keep the raiders at bay and then just keep the cylon basestars at distance as to be able to maximize the effectiveness of their flak rounds. Further than that if u actually look at the official wiki page for the Pegasus the ship should've had no problem taking on those basestars. The missile full conital to missiles is y the galactica was able to survive until the end of the show which old age and short cuts in construction is really what killed her before the battle of the colony. If the cylons took a handgun and shot at them 1 time per basestar every encounter and hit the ship, the galactica would've been destroyed by the end of the battle of new caprica.

[@PtolemyCeasar]

Amusing, but the number one rule of war is to deny your enemy the ability to conduct war, that is why the Cylons won.

[@robloxfanboy86]

You forget though that both ships were at half crew strength as the other half was at new caprica

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

True. However, that really only matters in this situation if they don't have enough crew to man their battlestations. When you are attacking a hard target like a planet you have virtually as much time as you need to prepare for battle. The only thing that's really effected is damage control. This is under the assumption that they had the crew to man all the critical stations that needed to be manned

[@papertxrtle]

what game is this

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Battlestar Galactica Deadlock

[@megan00b8]

To be fair it's pretty easy on a skirmish, in MP not as much. I think the writing could've been different in the show tho. You want to kill a battlestar, and it can't be Galactica since that's the main (battle)star of the show. The way the writers did it is making Lee a bumbling idiot who disobeyed orders and rushed the greatest asset of mankind into an obvious suicide position with the intention of loosing the ship to save an outdated, unmantained heavily damaged ship. If they really wanted to kill Pegasus off they could've at least spent the effort to write an interesting battle where the Pegasus fights in a reasonable manner, but a few unlucky hits from a clever Cylon flank damages the jump drives, and then you can do the whole suicide ram move and the shitshow that the battle was. At least it would give some credit to the Cylons who for most of the show seemed like they couldn't kill a single fleet group, let alone the entire fleet without their surprise attack with hacks, and repeatedly failed to destroy a ship that's over fifty years old, and a literal flying museum.

[@korbin58]

One thing I'll mention in favor of the Galactica, It *was* outdated, poorly maintained, and at half-strength due to the constant flight from the cylons and the colonization efforts, but it was noted that the reason the Galactica was capable of withstanding as much as it did was because it was simply built as a much more capable and dangerous capital ship than the Mercury-class. The Mercury-class automated a LOT of the systems that Galactica had to handle manually, and I believe they were, in-lore anyways, capable of fielding several more squadrons than a Jupiter-class. But this also resulted in them being vulnerable to cybernetic attacks, they weren't as heavily armored as the Jupiter-class, and they lacked the raw firepower that the Jupiter-class entailed. In a knock down drag out fight between a base star and a battlestar, if it falls to the ability to slug it out between the ships? The Jupiter-class is the more capable of the two. But if the Mercury had all of its squadrons and had a healthy amount of standoff range? The Mercury would be better. While I understand they didn't want to leave the fleet undefended, had Lee taken his squadrons with them then it very possibly could've ended with both battlestars surviving and possibly two or more basestars being destroyed/heavily damaged. Another thing I never understood is why nukes were never used in this battle. The Galactica was well within main and secondary battery range of the Base Stars to the point that they would have had to try really hard to not hit the Cylon ships. A nuclear launch at that range would be difficult for raiders to intercept, and the resulting blast would not have been enough to stand up to the radiation shielding the Galactica possessed.

[@Biggarou]

so......... how did it end?

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Short answer: Pegasus not utilizing any of her fire power properly. If u want to know more the 2003 remained series of Battlestar Galactica is really good and I believe spacedock (youtibe channel) did a really good break down a while back where they explained what happened and how it was so stupid

[@Sjoerdwm1981]

actually this is not how the new Caprica battle should have ended, the final moments of Peggy, the build up, it cant be made more perfect as it already has been put on film.... ( yes i do agree its a tactical stupidity to sacrifice Peggy for an inferior and old beaten up Galactica...

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

I somewhat disagree, if they were going to sacrifice the Pegasus they could've written in a better way to make that happen. But overall, yes it was very cinematic.

[@doughazzard2532]

This is a good video. I dont like the new cylon bay ships, they look like the scarecrows from planet of the apes.

[@tarn1135]

As far as I’m concerned the action in the episode was amazing even if the choice to sacrifice the Peggy was really idiotic to the point of firing squad. While some say you can’t have a show call Battlestar Galactica while on the Pegasus, I say sure you can, just rename the damn ship! And before anyone jumps down my throat and says it’s bad luck to rename a ship I’ll just say it happens all the time just not with tv hero ships.

[@weirdassenbychild7452]

In the battle of New Caprica, from my understanding, the Galactica had what remained of both the Pegasus's and Galactica's remaining trained crew, as the rest were left on New Caprica when they were forced off. Had the Galactica been lost in that battle, the civilian ships leaving wouldn't have had enough of a window to leave, and the Pegasus would've been left with barely even a skeleton crew to operate it, and only a few thousand colonial civilians to fill the ranks, and no Viper pilots to speak of, and they would've probably died during the battle of the Ionian Nebula, if not earlier

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

@@weirdassenbychild7452 I'm not saying to not participate in the battle of new caprice. What I am saying is that the battle strategy could've been so much better

[@dukoth6552]

actually it did with the defiant of deep space nine, original got destroyed so when they got a new ship they also received permission to rename the ship defiant

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

@@dukoth6552 that goes to support my point that they can get away with doing that for the sake of the show. Go in hot and load with both ships sacrifice the Galactica and rename the Pegasus to the Galactica for the sake of the show. They did it in Star Trek why not do it here?

[@Saiyan0X]

The point of leaving Galactica to survive instead of Pegasus is not only because of which one was the better ship... but because of morale. If Galactica was lost, the moral of the whole fleet, and even the military, will go REALLY down. After all, Galactica was the "hero ship", with the legendary commander Adama, who was in the original Cylon War, and both saved the fleet from all of the Cylon attacks, and stood with them all this time. If it was destroyed, along with Adama, the morale of the whole fleet will be on the floor. Pegasus had a dark past, and many will not get used to it being the protector, even with Lee in charge. That is another factor to take in mind. Do not underestimate the morale in a situation where only a few thousands of humans remain in an universe full of dangers.

[@matthewwaddington2777]

Next Cylon design meeting: "Hi everyone!" "Now," "I'd like to say big congrats to Rodney 12"... "The head designer of our 'warships'..."Or as I like to call them 'Ronsons!" "Now Rodders"..."Would you be so kind," "as to tell us why you felt 'armour' "and CIWS" were not fundamental design inclusions," when one colonial warship can decimate 12 OF OURS!?"

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Or at least have som God damned ballistics

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Soo... some A10 bastestar pilots treating some brit basestars to the usual huh....

[@antonybullock2240]

Personally what I would’ve done is just beam a photon torpedo aboard the basestar. Oh sorry wrong franchise.

[@darkmatter1152]

Wouldn't have to, photon, quantum torps and phasers would destroy them real quick. Photon torps have yields from 65 megatons to gigatons. Tri-cobalt torps are 1.5 teratons. Then transphesic one shots them.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

definetly don't agree whit your analisis, here a few points, unlike the first cylon war ships were cylon ships were stronger built to take a beating, the second cylon war, cylon ships were built to go against an enemy that is already cripled, they have thin amour and are just simple missile platforms, like ant modern warship, the colonial ships on the other hand are built to take a beating and give one back, any colonial ship in the first war could go one on one whit cylon ships and win, compare to the second war even a cripled galactica could go against two cylon ships and win, remember wen the pegasus arived, it easily took a single ship vefore they noticed it war there, true it war sacreficed, but if it had stayed in the outside of the battle it would have taken all four base ships whit minimal damage.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

Thats very accurate to cannon and I agree with u completely. This video was made using Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock. Which is a video game. So these ships are not at their cannon strength by any stretch of the imagination as the game balances the ships for gameplay purposes. For instance the galactica alone had at least 4 squadrons of vipers at any given time during the first Cylon war, in the game you only get 2 and in cannon battlestars could switch individual canons to fire flak rounds. In the game it's an all or nothing kind of deal with flak.

[@BarnicleBillable]

Alternative: What do you see today? When your potential enemy can shut down your computers without an EMP you have a problem. Hard to fight when you are JUST trying to survive as a civilian. 2nd Amendment bang a "gong" or ring a "bell"? Reread the Constitution before you try to rewrite it.

[@thronedry6718]

Peggy died the way it did because of lazy writing. It needed to die because plot reasons and they couldn’t write a good naval battle that would actually be too much for Peggy to handle

[@jimchanthongse2251]

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[@michaelgillman2505]

It should have ended by being long, fairly boring and with a huge reduction in CG quality? Bold move cotton

[@tilasole3252]

I have no idea what is going on. Space flak? Invisible shields? Anti-Missile salvos? Who is hitting who?

[@kkkkjjjjjeeee]

looks bad,l2stls

[@christopherlamitie3506]

Yeah but it didn’t.

[@vulturegamingandairsoft2104]

1 can dream though

[@mattf.9587]

I would have watched if you would have been honest and said “look at this cool shit I created for BSG fans” instead of the clickbait title you went with…

[@iskywalking420]

Ummm...what?! You wanted the battle to be directed by Michael Bay? Nooooooo thanks