Battlestar Galactica | The Cylons Admit Their Mistakes

Cavil has an important message for The Galactica from the Cylons.
Season 2, Episode 20 "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" - After a controversial election, it seems the humans and Cylons may have brokered peace. Until a Cylon force arrives, announcing a new dawn.
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[@nickblooruk]

You wouldn't want to be a twin on Galactica....

[@kinagrill]

.... I think being so on PEGASUS of all places would be WAAAAAAY worse.

[@Kalenz1234]

A simple dna test should clear it up.

[@PumpkinHoard]

@@Kalenz1234 As long as you don't get beaten to death by a hysterical crowd when someone yells "CYLON!"

[@davididiart5934]

They call it having a Twinfit... XD

[@robloughrey]

@@Kalenz1234 Lol if a simple DNA test could do it, Baltar wouldn't have needed a nuclear weapon.

[@xC4N4D14NB4C0Nx]

'I'M NOT A FRACKING CYLO- oh. well, okay then.' Lol at least they know when the game is up.

[@BrianRollinsVO]

I love this show's writing. A lesser show would have been, "Hey look...it's...uh...my long-lost twin brother! Yeah."

[@alfredschnabel6254]

Dean Stockwell was so brilliant in this role and this scene is a favorite of mine

[@xC4N4D14NB4C0Nx]

@@alfredschnabel6254 Indeed, Cavil's rant about being stuck in an inferior body is another moment that stands out to me. Stockwell was excellent casting and Cavil as a character was well written.

[@AwakenedAvocado]

Throw them out an airlock

[@joshchacin7742]

Dean stockwell's acting here is the most seamless playing of two characters in the same room I've ever seen

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

"Oh... Well..... Okay then"

[@eclypse1513]

I love how he said it, one of my fav moments from the actor

[@ldkellandshaw]

RIP Dean Stockwell. He was brilliant in this scene and in every scene as Cavill/Number 1.

[@TigerWing141]

@Floyd1504 including at 2:24

[@LisaLisa-zc7re]

I still remember him in Quantum Leap. He could read the phone book and still be brilliant.

[@Omegian14]

@@LisaLisa-zc7re loved the way he squints when he delivers key lines

[@apollorizing]

He died?!!!!

[@ldkellandshaw]

@@apollorizing 11/7/21

[@archades115]

Cavil: I'm not a fracking Cylon! Cavil: *sees Cavil* Cavil: Oh. Well.

[@spaceflight1019]

Apparently identical twins aren't part of these humans.

[@archades115]

@@spaceflight1019 Possibly. It is implied that these humans are incapable of visualization, and that modern humans are capable of such because of the intermingling of human and Cylon DNA.

[@tyrannicpuppy]

@@spaceflight1019 there is a difference between identical twins and identical down to the every wrinkle and freckle, etc. Identical twins have the same DNA, but life and the many years a being of Cavill's age would have endured to that point would leave at least some small variations. The greatest flaw of the human-form Cylons is that limited pool. Once the line is identified, that whole line ceases to have any infiltration potential.

[@spaceflight1019]

@@tyrannicpuppy , true, but after further review (I watched the scene again) the one that came in the Raptor admitted that he was a Cylon, so there was no use in trying to pretend.

[@TigerWing141]

At 2:25

[@squamish4244]

In Battlestar Galactica, you can only have happiness for 30 seconds at a time.

[@travisdavis9577]

Facts!

[@rodrigodiaz5698]

Brilliant !! 😂😂😂

[@NateGerardRealEstateTeam]

Dean Stockwell became good friends with Edward James Olmos when they were both in an episode of Miami Vice called Bushido. It was Olmos’ first time directing and Dean helped him out. Their friendship lasted the rest of Dean’s life.

[@chrisdevine4848]

Watching this back is like... "And he's a Cylon too! And him. And him. And her! Christ, is anyone on this ship not a Cylon?"

[@spaceflight1019]

Obviously, the Cavils aren't quick thinkers, or else identical twins are unknown to these humans.

[@Jaxck77]

It’s almost like Season 4 was shite…

[@thorin1045]

@@spaceflight1019 well, the new one admitted to be a cylon (to deliver the massage,) after that the other has little chance to steer it into hey, i am a human that happens to be exactly like a cylon.

[@spaceflight1019]

@@thorin1045 He could have said something witty, like "Hey, take a look at him! You can't improve on perfection, right?"

[@thorin1045]

@@spaceflight1019 could, probably would not help him. and don't remember, but maybe he is actually happy that he has a reason to die and get out of the ship, back to the other cylons.

[@TheNickofTime]

0:24 You can see what I believe is the greenscreen for digitally extending the bay, reflected in that guy's goggles.

[@YoutubeIsRetarded689]

We've come a long way from the mirror they used in Aliens to make the sleeping pod bay longer.

[@amadeokomnenus1414]

Great spotting

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Nice - good job !

[@dollarcostbackpacker1226]

Yeah. Thought it was just a window first look.

[@willie417]

y'all be looking at/analyzing every dpi/dots of these videos

[@coldpsyker1354]

"no harm done"- its funny looking back because we know how much hate Cavil has for humanity- he went along with the vote to deliver the message of peace, but still found some way to sabotage that message. Don't know if the writers planned it or not but its pretty brilliant in hindsight.

[@MikMoen]

So the message was actually genuine but Cavil intentionally worded it in an antagonizing way which would encourage further conflict?

[@hazmatt3250]

@@MikMoen essentially

[@abonny]

I know I'm late but: This is not quite acurate. This specific Cavill was actually all for the truce, we learn that in "The Plan". He was just being sarcastic. Cavills always are. On Caprica, he learned that his effords to "educate" the Final FIve completely backfired. Instead of Anders hating men for how awful they are, he even loved them beyond death. It was the other Cavill that was mostly playing along here. He still planned on destroying mankind.

[@Djarms67]

No harm done. We only about 10 billion people killed, yeahNo harm done.

[@jewishqueenrebecca3943]

@@Djarms67 *50 billion

[@wll1500]

Oops. Sorry about that multi-planetary genocide, guys. Mea Culpa.

[@jv-lk7bc]

he didn't actually say sorry.

[@JohnJ469]

At some point someone has to say "Enough". It was a war, people died, Cylons died. The alternative is to continue until one or the other became extinct.

[@charlesw5919]

No harm done.

[@jrus690]

Yes but it was only possible because of the dumbest piles of people in history, all their weapons systems apparently using the same software with the same coding. Their supposedly smart guy is stupid enough to give a spy unlimited access to those systems, yup there is your bright boy.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Space is unlimited, energy is unlimited, and with the jump drive FTLs - cylons need not fight humans - living life is no threat to synthetic life. Human reproduction: a new unit ready for service every 21 years... A.I. reproduction: micro seconds. Cylon Reproduction: minutes. Humans can only make more humans. AI can take on any shape, any form. It's not competition. Organic Life forms are of no threat to Machine and synthetic Life. It's a really big galaxy - pick a direction, find a resource rich planet near a stable and massive star - unlivable by human standards. Prefect for cylon life. Conflict between the two is pointless & illogical.

[@hendrsb33]

My absolute favorite Cavil moment was when he expresses anger at being trapped in what he felt to be an inferior, limited body of flesh and blood instead of a durable machine body, capable of great strength and far keener senses.

[@spaceflight1019]

I concur. It seemed to me that he envied the Hybrids.

[@amitkenan3878]

Yes, unlike the other robots that wanted to be human because of their monotheistic belief that God loves man most of all

[@Lordofthegeeks108]

"I'm a machine and I could know much more"

[@logicplague2077]

I can understand the resentment. Humans have to be human, no other choice, but they had one and chose to make biological bodies with all the limitations that come with them.

[@Ares99999]

@@logicplague2077 I always felt that resentment was deeply stupid.

[@themc.kennyshow6585]

Man really said "no harm done" aha lol!

[@patrickasplund]

When Adam said that back to him, he should have exploded with "And You enslaved us!!!"...

[@j.b.9270]

@Gray Jedi Yes and no. the Cylons ceased being just things when they became sentient. they didnt fire the first shot, they just wanted to know who they were in the grand scheme of things and humans tried to kill them for it.

[@neolexiousneolexian6079]

@Gray Jedi Awesome. Since you're just a biological robot "developed" by your parents, I take it that you're volunteering for slavery? Real big of ya! Now get me some tea (or I'll give you the Human-Cylon treatment)!

[@neolexiousneolexian6079]

@@patrickasplund He kind of did implicitly say "You enslaved us" by saying "pointing fingers". He just did so in a more diplomatic way that let the dumb humans keep ignoring him.

[@nnthayer]

That little father-daughter type moment between Adama and Starbuck at the very beginning - just adorable

[@AndyHerbert254]

Cylons: whoops we accidentally caused genocide. We want to start over, we're better. We'll go our own ways also Cylons: occupy New Caprica with an authoritarian ruling, turning the first building in the colony into a prison, torturing, murdering, rather than leaving the colonists alone

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

I love the fact that Cavil was so slippery, that none of the Cavil models really trusted each other, knowing their own tricksy nature. Always great interactions between them. Rest in peace Dean.

[@johnnybgood8779]

What an astounding actor..... The Langoliers. Never aged.

[@MrSabretooth19]

i wounder how many people know that reference😀

[@scouseandy07]

Dean Stockwell is such a great actor. He plays such a great role here with the cavil Cylon, this is one of my favourite scenes in the whole of BSG.

[@TeacherGalante]

So say we all.

[@brettk9316]

I miss Quantum Leap :(

[@adeosinowo3197]

When he explains why he doesnt want to be human because of the limits of the biological experience is genius! He wants to feel the effect of a solar wind flowing over him while being unfettered in vacum space, thats got to be something to behold on a level with being born or witnessing the birth of your 1st child etc.

[@markwaldron8954]

Dude was in Dune (Lynch version), Quantum Leap, and BSG. Quite the scifi resume.

[@bigbitehood1353]

I just found out he was in DUNE!

[@jimt6498]

I love this scene. These are some of the best actors on the show, rarely all three together. The timing of each word is brilliant. How Cavill intentionally sabotages the peace message, how the Admiral takes it and how Roslin just makes it clear how cold like steel she can be - out of the airlock, see if there is a Cylon God.

[@andrewrobertson3894]

It's interesting how this show presents (on the surface) as a sci fi space opera kind of deal but once you get invested, it's actually quite a grimdark psychological thriller

[@CausticPop]

Much of it is a pretty direct allegory for the US wars in Iraq.

[@Kettenring]

Notice, how they were both glaring at Saul at the end. WE KNOW A SECRET. HAHAHA

[@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm]

I had the same feeling about the face when Preacher Cavill got pinned by Chief - "of all the people it had to be you, I feel the irony of the situation". It might be only my head canon (dunno if RDM did decide on the Final Five yet), but it is amusing nevertheless ^^

[@TheKeyser94]

A very stupid secret that actually made no sense.

[@wsconsn]

The writers admitted that they didn’t have a plan for the final five until they wrote the episode that revealed their identities.

[@TheKeyser94]

@@wsconsn Wow, that is really stupid, so much for repeating over and over that the Cylon had "A Plan" when they not even known the fucking plan.

[@ZephWraen]

The writers definitely had not planned that far ahead yet.

[@TommyMaverick]

“CODE BLUE! It’s a cylon!” - One of the Final Five

[@WiiMan1133]

Cavil was my favorite Cylon. Towards the end of the series, when the audience is forced to relate to/empathize with every character - especially the shitty ones - it was nice to have one 1-dimensional ubervillain who just enjoys being evil. Like a breath of fresh air

[@sawyernorthrop4078]

Even the one dimensional villain has a coherent and consistent motivation

[@WiiMan1133]

@@sawyernorthrop4078 It's not a relatable motivation (Oedipus complex being the root of everything), but it was consistent

[@queengoblin]

Completely agree, though I don't think he was 1-dimensional at all. He was angry at his "parents" for making him, and wanted vengeance in the patient and sadistic ways he knew how to get them. That's very deep, something I think many people can relate to if they are aware of and admit it to themselves.

[@WiiMan1133]

@@queengoblin that's fair. I suppose I would've enjoyed a Cylon who actually had a point that wasn't rooted in their own personal issues or reeked of hypocrisy

[@highlandoutsider8148]

@@queengoblin yeah I agree, he seams like those crazy kids of absent parents who end up lashing out for attention, only he's in the body of an uber powerful, nie immortal, super robot old man lol

[@admiralthrawnbar4899]

I wish they kept his identity secret longer, that one episode before you figure out who he is, is one of my favorite episodes

[@ladymercy5275]

We did it! ^o^ We _beat_ those bastards, on their home turf too. So we can do this. We're _going_ to survive. There's Cylons aboard our ship. It was all setup. They let us win. It's probably a trap. We've made no progress. It was all for nothing. We're still going to die. ._. Glory to horror in less than 10 seconds.

[@limabravo6065]

It's obvious when someone enjoys the role they're playing and Stockwell seems like he was having a blast

[@Williamknow]

The great Dean Stockwell. Rest In Peace. Thanks for the years of great work

[@robwalsh9843]

It's interesting when you compare these Cylons to the ones in the original series. Cavil laments that the Cylons were mimicking humans instead of forging their own destiny, and that's what the Cylons from the 70's show did. They rebelled against their masters and actually created a non-hive mind robot society.

[@dwnkaomwn3953]

"No harm" he says. What a joke.

[@richardscathouse]

Could be an American, President

[@Kalenz1234]

@@richardscathouse An american president would demand that they are thankful for being bombed.

[@KM-dk5gn]

I don't usually like reboots, but this one was an awesome series!

[@80s_Boombox_Collector]

I was such a different animal it's hard to call it a simple reboot

[@johniii8147]

@@80s_Boombox_Collector Agreed and it lasted far longer on much more developed. They just picked up the initial plot line and developed it much further.

[@joealberti7762]

Agreed. Perhaps the best reboot ever.

[@kyorin6526]

Original was a bit of a comedy, very cheesy, still great though. The newer one was more like a dramatic tense thriller a lot of the time.

[@kylemcfarlan]

I will always be in awe for how amazing this cast was

[@robwebnoid5763]

RIP Dean Stockwell. He also made a great Dr. Yueh, the very first live-action Yueh.

[@Einwetok]

Loved the way he went out....

[@cje499]

And the voice of old Tim Drake in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

I appreciate the sort of sidelong, bemused glance Cavil gives to the Chief at 1:26.

[@thomasmowslawns8138]

Cavil was never evil. He was the eternal pragmatist from the Cylon POV.

[@grassygnoll3345]

My take was that the Cavil who hated being human/organic, for as much as he wanted to be the machine, to see with more than just eye etc, he couldn't. Not because he didn't have a choice but because he looked down on the one organic Cylon that was what he wanted, the Hybrids who controlled the Base Stars. To be what he wanted would take changing into something he didn't understand.

[@KalashVodka175]

Cavil is the one who pushed the other numbers to nuke the 13 colonies. Pragmatic or not he’s evil through his actions.

[@dspeoples]

"Take me to your leader!" "Take him to the brig."

[@ered203]

They were all worried that the new schoolteacher president wouldn't be able to make the tough choices. She was the coldest of them all. Just goes to show you what your elementary school teachers were capable of.

[@attiepollard7847]

Yeah but there was at times that President Rosalind was just annoying as hell with that pan face that pan look she always gives out.

[@phillipivey4833]

It's a script..

[@quattordicimontenapoleone3113]

This show is in no way underrated and it's still underrated.

[@phantomcruizer]

This was an incredibly good series!

[@rocketman544]

Thanks, Dean...for everything.

[@tomlawrence1335]

Always liked how no one questioned the chief when he yelled security just instantly believed him

[@timmyteehee9490]

That's how disciplined military command works. You are supposed to do what your superior officer tells you to do. Also brigging someone isnt the same as executing them on the spot. If someone needs to be brigged thats an ask questions later kind of thing.

[@Meton2526]

@@timmyteehee9490 technically the chief was not an officer.

[@fenstor9694]

@@Meton2526 No but he was respected as one.

[@k0lpA]

@@fenstor9694 I don't think that's how the military works

[@fenstor9694]

@@k0lpA nvm. He was actually and officer, i just looked it up

[@jiubboatman9352]

So long Dean and thanks for entertaining me for years.

[@ryang58]

Rest in Peace Dean Stockwell!

[@t.s.adrian690]

The concept of machines believing in God is fracking terrifying.

[@thegrimmretails3777]

But where would all the calculators go?

[@RoTenken]

Not really. They must admit that they were designed and if Humans had not thought to purpose to creating them, they would not exist. It's not like Tungsten and Osmium Rubbed together and formed Megatron.

[@Scottlp2]

Get back to us when they believe in Marx.

[@Pygar2]

@@Scottlp2 Too logical for Marx...

[@RK-252]

@@Scottlp2 shhhhhhh... the AI is listening. *panicked look*

[@DieyoungDiefast]

OT from the storyline, Starbuck looked cute when she wrinkled her nose just before Adama hugged her :)

[@americanmade6996]

Always liked Katee Sackhoff. Lots of sharp edges and kinda psycho, but she's the ex-girlfriend who goes to visit your mom just to see if she needs anything.

[@BoofPack69]

More bloom than an early 2000's video game

[@pasty_film_journey]

4:37 He was about to hit with a "You personally broke the truce my dude"

[@attiepollard7847]

I mean technically yeah they broke the truce but they could have done an investigation and told the humans not to do it again.

[@Kokopilau77]

Always thought Caprica Cavil’s coat was totally cool

[@charlesneely7995]

It's called a duster it's a cowboys wore in the old days and it's still popular to this day it kept the dust off you but unbelievable though at the same time American cowboys were wearing dusters the Australians ranches and shooters they were also wear duster's coats Australia society evolved pretty much the way I was did even though we were a continent away from each other like when cowboy hats when cowboy duster coats and boots and stirrups that is so interesting the way both countries coaches I mean America was ahead of Australia about three centuries but it is interesting

[@Jadefox32]

"No harm done" if this was the case well there would have been recognition of this before the Cylons originally wiped out the 12 colonies. Would have been better to of worded it as "no further harm will be heaped upon you and your people." Yes, I know Cavil/1 worded it that way intentionally.

[@somebuddyX]

Cavill looking around seeing the Chief, Anders, and Tigh must be thinking "Man, I am really bad at this!"

[@darthvirgin7157]

we will miss you One.

[@lach3v]

Sweet! Let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya!

[@SuperlativeCG]

It's getting personal.

[@ratius1979]

The overhead studio lighting 😅 So OTT

[@EnterpriseXI]

The cylons did admit it their mistakes but that didn't stop them from continuing their pursuit and destruction of the Colonial fleet

[@attiepollard7847]

@@C-eo1rt plus the colonials have something you want they want the information of the final five cylons and the way to Earth themselves so might as well keep chasing after them till you get the information or destroy the fleet itself

[@piquels6934]

Ok, Starbuck introducing her boyfriend to her "dad" was just adorable.

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

Dean Stockwell is good in many of his movie and TV roles. I first saw him in the original Dune movie as Doctor Wellington Yueh of House Atreides.

[@stebandozer201]

love this scene. especially when they were thrown out of the airlock

[@khaelamensha3624]

Rip Dean Stockwell great actor!

[@Gollammeister]

Fantastic remake

[@wackydude101]

No harm done -10 billion humans XD

[@richardscathouse]

None at all

[@charlesneely7995]

They were a f***** up race anyway I mean you got a bunch of cult worshipers on one planet and then you got a bunch of Farmers on another planet then you got the Gemini's couldn't get along with the Aquarius blah blah blah

[@johnsteiner3417]

"I know a way to prove it. Throw them both out the airlock, and let them see if there's a Cylon god." Never let it be said President Laura Roslin lacks steely resolve.

[@attiepollard7847]

But it was at times at Rosalin was just annoying as hell with that pan face look that she always gives out

[@k0lpA]

@@attiepollard7847 I think she was great

[@peterclements7224]

Great sence great acting

[@riffgroove]

I still love this show.

[@richlisola1]

I love how he says take him to the brig about Cavil but take that thing to the brig about Athena

[@charlesneely7995]

It's the modern day version of walk the plank because the ships didn't have a jail in the days of the sale and resources were very scarce for the crew only on board the ship so they got rid of You by making you walk the plank and it lightens the load of the shift manifest so I hope they never build ships because they do they will be airlocking a whole bunch of m************

[@milferdjones2573]

@@charlesneely7995 No actual proof of the plank being used in non fiction but as it a logical way to get someone over the side I'm with plank certainly was used that way. Otherwise you have to throw the person over the railing or get them to step over. Planks certainly used ship to dock. So you can assume the early pirate fiction writers got that one from a source as the fiction started while Golden Age of Piracy still going. In a similar way Old West Fiction started when the Old West was still going on.

[@webad00]

love this scene

[@ihavegymnastics]

"Take me to your leader." Delivered in most badass contempt.

[@dmthandmade5674]

Sorry about the genocide and ecological destruction, we got you a muffin basket. Hugs, your friends, the Cylons.

[@flickerman68]

Rest In Peace 😔

[@alejandroesquivelcordero6970]

Best sci fi show ever.

[@andrewm6244]

God he’s such a perfect character

[@theaussiebackflipboy]

The great thing about the writing of the Cavill character is that you knew he was shady from the first time he appeared and he just got worse as the series progressed. He was the most black and white computer program that existed in this world - Cylons = good, Humans = bad. Cavill had no gray areas.

[@anxietygamingactual6554]

Remarkably human in that way, allowing prejudice to outweigh logic or reason. Ironically, the exact opposite of how he states they operate in this scene.

[@geoffreyprior8931]

But the infiltraitor Cavill learned from their mistakes and was willing to go beyond their base programming. Too bad he got boxed for his troubles.

[@99999janice]

GOD how I love. This. Show.

[@PointnShootMovies]

Very very interesting directing...

[@soundwave1a]

Just curious why couldn't this original footage be used for The Plan. Instead of filming a new one w/o Roslin?

[@LordKoehler]

This is a re-upload of the interrogation of Cavil scene, right? Adding in the scene just before.

[@bartjohnston2253]

Best tv show ever

[@junheceta268]

"Supernatural divinities are the primitive's answer for why the sun goes down at night." How true.

[@andytay5507]

This exerpt is FILLED with GREAT actors, including the nearly incomparable Dean Stockwell.

[@belladonna7111]

Need to make a run real quick.

[@starmaster191]

2:24 one of the best, most funniest scenes in BSG [imo]

[@ireallyreallyhategoogle]

Cylons can admit their mistakes, but they never truly learn, just like humans.

[@kevinkeegan4817]

Last words "Oh, Frack" *Bang*

[@myearsloveit]

"Remember the 'tooth'."- wait, what?

[@coakz8856]

Pretty much the greatest science fiction show ever 🎉

[@CrazyChemistPL]

Caprica Cavil is such an interesting character who shows even Number One isn't beyond the capacity for change and perhaps redemption. Which leaves only Number Five/Doral as the one model who seems to be completely devoid of doubts and second-guesses about Cylon's decision to destroy humans. And face it, Doral was always an idiot.

[@LutzMowinski]

Rest in peace Dean :(

[@johnsweet96]

"..Oh...well...okay then." 😂

[@evgenkhersonets880]

4:51 that's how you know he's the very bad guy in sci-fi version of Narnia.

[@Mark-ke1rj]

I wonder if they told Dean Stockwell from day 1 that Saul, Galen, and Tory were all Cylons, since his character was supposed to know.

[@sparrowlt]

No cause they decided it near the end of S3 on the go out of nowhere.. Chief and Tigh were certainly NOT Cylons in the writers minds during 3 seasons

[@Mark-ke1rj]

@@sparrowlt I dunno about that.

[@MapleBalls]

Great show, amazing story line, a few poopers @ the end, but it ended with the audence in smiled tears... THAT is how shows need to go.

[@mistaowickkuh6249]

Best antagonist in tv history who is almost cartoonish evil. He doesn't have a thousand motivations, he's pure evil, you clearly know what he wants and what he does for it but somehow he is the best villain ever. He is simple and it somehow makes him immensely complex. Rest in peace sir, what a wonderful actor you were. Or I'm just a sociopath for not having any trouble understanding brother Cavil.

[@Murderbot2000]

I’ll bet they were doing a lot of blow on this series, as they did in the original.

[@wazza33racer]

Dean Stockwell has turned in some brilliant performance over the years..........

[@joelperry8187]

“The candy colored clown we call the sandman” 🎵🎶

[@hibbidyjibbidyy]

when saul tigh is smiling at you. you must have not fucked up that bad

[@ericg5791]

So sad that i was Edward James Olmos-t in tears that Dean Stockwell passed away before the new Quantum Leap or any other type of reboot had he lived

[@woodrobin]

The thing about the show that made it so hard to watch is that both sides were monstrous in their own way, and there really wasn't a good guy to root for. I suppose that was the point: war, hatred, and fear make monsters of us all, the cycle of violence, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The thing is, if I want to see that, all I have to do is look out the window or turn on the news. I kind of like my fiction to explore options that are harder to see in real life. Things like people staying true to their own code of conduct/morals/ethics, happy endings, good guys being good, bad guys being bad (at least to the point where a diversion from that is a notable character moment, instead of a sign that no over-arching character arc exists).

[@williamburke5568]

One name: Helo. He is the only character who remained "good" from start to finish. Everyone else got dark at some point, but he never did. He was the constant voice of reason and compassion through the entire show while everyone struggled to keep it together. I feel like he his the shows' moral compass.

[@athenastewart9167]

Yes-- humans made the Cylons in their (humans) own image.

[@ZorroComputers]

Its so strange that the machines have unlimited power and can go anywhere they wanted (literally), still going after humans.

[@FureyinHD]

They have god like power but are still petty and hold grudges

[@mattshuey1]

The clip explains why the cylons did that (in error) when they didn't have to. The religious angle as the show progresses sheds more light on why the cylons were going down a prescribed path instead of not. The cylons, being machines, had a programming they couldn't escape from. It wasn't a programming in their "code" it was a programming in their relative perspective. Cavil states it best - they saw themselves as the children of men. It's like waking up as an adult and realizing you turned into your mother/father without realizing it. It is supposed to be an irony of sorts. When that moment finally does come you'll find that it isn't as dreadful as a younger version of yourself would have assumed. The Marathon games do a good job of explaining cyorg "rampancy" (essentially developing a psyche). The cylons had to emulate man or else there was literally no basis for existing. Cavil explaining the error in their emulation but giving no real alternative is a prime example of the "rampancy" model trying to change but not seeing a path forward to actually change.

[@NunyaBuisness978]

The Cylons hold no grudges, not even against themselves!

[@richardscathouse]

Be the best machine you can be

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Alien Resurrection (1997) prayer scene: ''We KNOW we have a Creator. Humans have to believe it." The Cylons never needed to even bother to pursue the humans -=> that's just wasted energy and wasted effort. The cylons just needed to study creating their own programming and creating their own new updated body - forms. No need for a human form, they could make themselves small cubes or huge spheres, huge as planets - the WHOLE Universe to explore and unlimited resources, unlimited energy. Wasting time and effort on fighting humans was holding them back from their own engineered evolution & expansion.

[@richlisola1]

That was Cavil’s point-One of the driving forces in his psyche-He is a machine and he could be anything, but he was made in the body of an elderly man, weak, feeble, and limited-Unlike every other Cylon, including the first models, the U-87s, and the centurions, who sought to become like the human beings they sought to kill. Strange daddy issues. But the ones (1s) wanted to be what they already were, machines, better machines. Strange that the sad frustrations of one being led to the deaths of billions.

[@neolexiousneolexian6079]

@@richlisola1 When Libera was founded as a country for freed slaves from the US, the Black people who moved there ended up implementing the same systems of oppression and forced labour they had escaped.

[@charlesw5919]

In a way, the cylons saw the destruction of the colonies and humanity as a way of freeing themselves from this pathological obsession with humanity.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@charlesw5919 It is much faster for cyclons / AI / any Being to free themselves of obsession through Mindfulness and Meditation. Human reproduction: a new unit ready for service every 21 years... A.I. reproduction: micro seconds. Cylon Reproduction: minutes. Organic Life forms are of no competition to Machine and A.I. Life. A good reason why none of the machine civilizations bother with talking to the bugs and worms swarming arcross the planet Earth, the bugs and worms known as people ! :-D Not interested . . .

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

R.I.P., Admiral Calavicci.