Battling Stars in FaZe and Bringing Up Baby Astralis - Strat book Episode 5 (feat. karrigan)

[@verygood7804]

Didn’t know Karrigan was so humble for a top tier world class IGL

[@habbo72379]

all danish people are like this, very humble

[@Skullzer]

@@habbo72379 except Device xD

[@bordeaux1337]

@@Skullzer Or Nicklas Bendtner =)

[@pritoranta8705]

For real. What a smart and wise man. I also saw him on HLTV podcast and was so impressed. He doesn't land jabs when he could, he doesn't disrespect people who disrespected him. He seems to be super understanding and empathetic. Karrigan handles himself with conduct to admire.

[@theairflare]

you mean S-TIER TOP GOD SUPER SAIYAN WORLD CLASS 5 STAR NEXT LEVEL IGL? yea, pretty much

[@Christabub]

Bro I think that picture of Legija just blinked wtf

[@KseRes]

Thoorin just burning with passion on how much Faze messed up with their management of the players, during this interview.

[@tylerhazleton4227]

Idk how they went about getting into CSGO but it's like they just looked for the top stat players and then just let the players make decisions. Imagine if they went to any coach, caster, or other team owner, gave em some consulting money and said "We got $3M (in 2016 so that would be absurd probably) to spend, what do we do"

[@Olliejfc]

@@tylerhazleton4227 originally, they picked up the mix eu roster that g2 had. I believe it was fox, rain, aizy, maikelele, and jkaem. Roster becomes messy after that but eventually found success after picking up karrigan, allu and kioshima. Then niko gets picked up for aizy and eventually guardian and Olof replace allu and kio respectively.

[@Ficii1]

So this is what you meant with niko having the worst timing. Let's go.

[@siddharth3863]

too long can't watch. what was it menss)) ?

[@james6792-m1w]

Niko really comes across as an asshat sounds like he almost purposely didn’t listen to Karrigan eg the mirage stuff he was talking about

[@nottoptop326]

@@james6792-m1w where is the mirage thing in the video ? i watched it yesterday but i can't find it anymore

[@nottoptop326]

nvm 35:20

[@snooples]

twenty minutes in and this strat book's already heat. one of the best shows in cs and probably one of the few that is valuable for casual fans to properly understand the nuances of cs as well as players to learn about igling. crucial for this scene atm.

[@dusanbiga4948]

80% of the player base is retarded though, they definitely would not grasp the importance of this video.

[@aintbeenhome2105]

@@dusanbiga4948 it’s a video game mate what do you expect

[@dusanbiga4948]

@@aintbeenhome2105 I clearly dont expect anything.

[@Prog47]

2 hour podcast with karrigan and blast match on the second monitor? it's gonna be a good day

[@ImaTip]

that g2 game was too long

[@rtdfvbtr]

Get a life

[@echo5440]

@@rtdfvbtr mans had a good day doing something he enjoys why you so bitter lmaoo

[@dusanbiga4948]

This only solidifies the argument that other pro's only respect other pros that are fragging well. On the surface no one talks about the job being done by the IGL as long as his strats and philosophy work. Hence why letting go of Karrigan from FaZe was a "no brainer" to people even though he clearly set up the players that could preform well to do well. No one is watching why top tier players are preforming well as long as they are preforming. This also gives the joke ALEX made about ZywOo even more context. Ofc ZywOo is fragging when people are flashed. He is being set up to preform to the level he knows best, fragging. Things IGL's do are being overlooked simply based on the results and not how they are doing it. Niko probably felt that Karrigan couldn't contribute more to his fragging even though he most likely put him in positions over other players to preform as well as he did.

[@gordonramsdale]

Well think about it like this: ALL THE BEST IGL ARE HIGH-FRAGGING: Glaive nexa ALEX AleksiB Cadian Nitro Having a high-fragging igl increases your likelihood to win by a lot

[@markussolheim3284]

@@gordonramsdale Gla1ve is the only of those you mentioned that are better igls than Karrigan

[@dusanbiga4948]

@@gordonramsdale Just based on your username I am doing to assume you are trolling and have not watched the video, or even understood the point at all. All of those except for Gla1ve are not even remotely proven as IGL's. People cant frag if they are not put in positions to frag, that is pretty much what 90% of this video is about. Karrigan explains the situation in FaZe very clearly and what their issues were. Still they won shitloads of stuff with 2 different stand-ins with 3 days practice. That shows immense adaptability and understanding of the game from his side. Not to mention his agility to sacrifice his stats and performance to set said players up for success.

[@bosco7799]

Karrigan being kicked wasn't based off of Niko's decisions

[@dusanbiga4948]

@@bosco7799 Yeah, probably rain or guardian wanted him gone. Those bastards!

[@jatinpal7735]

Finn Daddy won a Major now and is cemented his name in the hall of fame of CSGO

[@the_bottomfragger]

Really cool to watch this again now he's crowned his incredible career

[@Equalzer]

You need to have aleksib in this podcast and ask him about the relationship between loose and structured style. People think he is a micromanager but I think he is just stuck with players that he HAS TO micromanage like karrigan in mouz.

[@saratchandrab4384]

Damn right, even an hr of podcast with 50 mins of thorin calling ence shit and 10 mins aleksiB explaining his point of view would be worth it

[@vengeancebyvenom9033]

Oh dang I never thought of his micro managing that way. That would be a good interview

[@BauKim]

This is the karrigan interview I've been looking for! Thanks Thorin.

[@james6792-m1w]

Sad to see what happened to karrigan in Faze. Such a talented individual, I was glad guardian said that they let karrigan down in his most recent interview.

[@spacegod4529]

Gotta love karrigan, great guy and great igl for sure!

[@Expanses02]

Aged like a fine wine FeelsStrongMan

[@phsycresconquest6636]

59:39 prime Iniesta and Xavi are a duo that you take over pretty much every other midfield duo ever.

[@ropogop]

Yes, but it was really a trio with Busquets!

[@nilslorand]

2 hour podcast and there is still so much I want karrigan to talk about, holy shit

[@aimlevel]

00:55:03 I love what Thorin says there. Because he is 100% right. The Scoreboard as it is right now is wrong. Back in 1999(beta 3 cs) they removed the frags from the scoreboard to strengthen the team play spirit but the community complained so they brought the frags back. CS would be a better game when Frags would be removed.

[@MrVybson]

Honestly, the advanced tab should be the default scoreboard. ADR, EF and UD, maybe show the K/D at the end. It's just so much unnecessary pressure. Yesterday, I played on D2 and started off 1-8. I was just waiting for that votekick to pop up and it really lowered my morale. Maybe even add all of the other stats, like opening kill %, assists, clutch kills, stuff like that.

[@romanempire4168]

I love karrigan

[@adityabhardwaj875]

Who doesn’t?

[@BasedRaven96]

Love Thorin, always has the best questions!

[@friendlyshenanigans1155]

Of course this gets recommended now.

[@max7312xdx]

I haven't even finished this episode and I already know it's going to be a banger.

[@Prog47]

A strat book with nitr0 would be amazing. Just to see how he called and how much impact he had in 2019 and why he left TL

[@m0kab0]

woxic top 8 2019 ropz 21 or maybe already 22 karrigan nailing the facts :D great talk with awesome insights, thanks!

[@popies4676]

Legija has some great questions

[@adakt]

Karrigan besides being a CS mastermind, is a humble and educated guy, respect to him for touching all these sensitive matters on past teams. And props to Thorin and Legija for great questions and insights. This episode is gold for true CSGO fans...

[@timmtammss8136]

"I always say this to people" "What people don't know" "Famously" "Here's the thing" *Weird shoulder wiggle thing* *Obscure NBA or NFL reference because this guy thinks gamers watch actual sports* Edit: at the request of DeathRinger: "and this is where it gets interesting" Edit 2: bring on NBK this man would be great on this show

[@NCGamer20]

wow, why do i even waste hours watching this. this is Thorin in 4 sentences.

[@BatteryAz1z]

What fans don't realize is

[@Expanses02]

Pumping out content like a madman !

[@xXColCoolXx]

How high is Legija. I literally wouldn’t be able to follow the conversation if I was as high lel like the most impressive thing this video

[@multinumgen]

His laugh at 1:24:10 is amazing

[@vinitmotghare8182]

Probably the best Strat Book ep followed by Malek ep!! Thoroughly enjoyed the entire conversation!

[@099las]

This is some of the best CS content I've seen so far.....

[@Mauisnake]

Xizt, Golden, or Flusha for Karrigan. All of those actually feel like a downgrade in terms of leading (debatable for Golden). Faze's ability to judge what they need was awful.

[@alexzeghondy2078]

Its still awful lol

[@TheKrankgamer]

@@alexzeghondy2078 Not anymore lmao

[@Urikao]

Thooorin content mode. Lets fucking go this is amazing.

[@SouthbobParkpants]

Just found the perfect content to DM and practice my game to! Keep up the good work Thorin, hope to see Karrigan on another podcast!

[@KGruzins69]

Here we go

[@helloitsme3]

Where is timecods boyz? Where we are? In 2010 or smth?

[@calzos]

Kassad intro LOL

[@hakunaseitata2880]

xD

[@houmiss]

legija sounds so sad :(

[@ThePsyco234]

LEGENDARY episode, thanks Mr. Shields

[@IKKAIWINS]

Karrigan is one of the GOAT IGL's and I'd love to work with him.

[@mohamedal-alawi2738]

Honestly I felt like legija was going to cry whenever he talks although its his normal voice.

[@chaddavies1032]

one day karrigan will make a legendary coach IMO

[@Nathan-hs2ut]

GOAT IGL

[@vedser]

Gla1ve is

[@Nathan-hs2ut]

@@vedser Karrigan took more than 15 different players to #1. Gla1ve inherited a top 5 team (created by karrigan). I know who I'm picking

[@vedser]

@@Nathan-hs2ut Glaive inherited 3 great players and made them the GOAT team. + he won majors with 2 line ups + insanely consistent. Karrigan always had very skilled players, but his success was always short term and eventually he dropped down + never won a major. I know who im picking.

[@ghisky9585]

@@Nathan-hs2ut astralis got 4 times better without karrigan :)

[@anthonyross3914]

Karrigan is my favorite IGL since TSM

[@vinitmotghare8182]

I am so eager to watch Ropz play now , Activated Ropz OP

[@jameshull4340]

Thorin flipping a table .gif pls

[@Blue_Pumpkin]

This is good stuff! Interesting perspective 🥰

[@Keyc94]

So s1mple is a player that needs freedom all the time? Or is it the best way he plays for the team? I mean with zeus S1mple became finally the real nr1. But how this happened? What did Zeus what others didn't can do? Everyone knows zeus is no strategy mastermind, he is more like an IGL that motivate people around him and more a "coach" guy. This question came in my mind when karrigan talked about Woxic and ropz. Karrigan seems to gave Ropz a spark to improve as much as possible.

[@dinamovist09]

Legija is like he`s about to cry when he talks. is that his voice normally?

[@dinamovist09]

@SofaSlyngel or hiiiiigh

[@galax12370]

"that's why I am never touching Robin" KappaPride

[@Knightsthatsaynih]

Ohh I just hope Gla1ve and Astralis get their stuff together by the next major. I really want to see Karrigan vs Gla1ve again. Or I wish it was still the old Astralis. Because, let's be honest, NAVI isn't a very strategy focused team. They do rely on their sharp ends like S1mple, electronic and now B1t to get them rounds with good aim and rotations (Think S1mple on Nuke last year). And while this Faze looked good, the utility usage from the Astralis era was off the charts. Arguably that's how they won 1v1s without necessarily always being the world's best aimers. I just want to watch in form Gla1ve vs current form and team Karrigan. I don't even care who wins. It'll just be epic.

[@r.sourabhyadav7650]

bring more of this kind of videos

[@faqihabdurrahman]

he will be a legendary coach when retire

[@HaasTheFirst]

Awesome Interview!

[@meanter1402]

thorin takes 3 minutes to ask one question

[@cykablyat6773]

Thorin can you get Aleksib on the show ? I would love to see his point of view on the game.

[@MrSunnyboy1999]

amazing content man

[@nicholasfiner2450]

why does legija always talk like he’s on the verge of crying

[@lahire161]

59:45 you just gave the perfect describtion on why Benzema was insane while Ronaldo was still at RM despite not topscoring ever. Iniesta and Xavi didnt only feed messi, they were just crucial of the heavy posession build-up-play, but Benzema was THE support player in football. got booed by the fans as cs-support-players get.

[@big_boy_chris]

TL needs to cut Karrigan a blank check to come over to NA...

[@razhmazh]

Sir Alex Ferguson did win a european cup with Aberdeen, though...

[@kapsize_8251]

Is Contentgasm a real word? After this episode it should be.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Anyone who thinks IGLs dont do anything, its just about having the best players just needs to look at Simple to have their argument shot down. Simple is the best player to ever play CS and he has no majors. Hes had help too, Electronic, Flamie, Perfecto, Guardian, hes had them all. Hes played with Nitro and Elige, hes been in multiple "best on paper" teams and 0 majors.

[@boris6268]

Better get Glaive on here

[@TheOrbital95]

Insane

[@l1ttleprotag370]

I like the drama

[@ChienBinhz]

34:17 what did he said ?

[@saratchandrab4384]

Faze reaplaced karrigan without a replacement

[@nottoptop326]

they expected xizt, flusha or golden to say yes

[@johnnycamine]

I love that I have to listen a deranged British man rant for 2 hours to hear good esports analysis

[@janmichaelrabara8616]

Come back to faze with ropz!🤞🙏

[@havoc3478]

The best example here is nitr0. I dnt know why Liquid kick him cause his stats are going down and replace him with anothet rifler because TBH his stats dsnt even matter cause in the first place he is the IGL most IGL really have the lowes stats in the team. Lol

[@janmichaelrabara8616]

Wait till niko destroys G2..lol..when everything is going right he is a good team mate..but when everything is not going right..he will put pressure to the igl and igl will start to play bad and eventually be kicked out.. he did it with karrigan..what more with nexa..lels

[@bosco7799]

Uh no he won't? Faze didn't find an IGL and they asked one of them to take up the role. And Niko didn't remove karrigan, he said it was beyond his control. Faze removed karrigan and faze asked Niko to igl. He has said this in an interview.

[@johnwolgast7753]

@@bosco7799 41:20

[@cole8209]

@@bosco7799 not sure how anyone believes that. FaZe makes literally zero roster decisions, their management is more absent than any other org in the game

[@adityabhardwaj875]

@@bosco7799 keep telling that to yourself but it still won’t become true

[@TheXGamers]

Can somebody link that woxic clip? loll

[@Martin_e_93]

he invites very interesting people just to forced them to listen to his crap...

[@WilliamButtel]

Love Finn Love Thorin Legija high af #420

[@PaoMars]

When u gonna get s1mple on here lol?

[@robin3487]

We need gob b

[@RicMan5]

I watched like at least 10 Thorin shows and interviews, nice bloke, to bad i dont understand shit of what he speaks.

[@bignewm5863]

YOOOOOO

[@shaunstrachan]

noice

[@angryteajug7067]

This is just an opinion I had but you can use some soccer analogies in csgo. Glave is the Messi of the igl world. The decorated guy whos done it all on one team since damn near day 1. Karrigan is the Ronaldo of the igl world. The guy whos been all around the world for many different teams, and yet is still at the top of it every single year.

[@PaoMars]

Karigan is probs the best all round IGL in cs go.... karigan S1mple Shox G1ave Xyp9x

[@sampepper8799]

what a weird lineup lol

[@Oscar-pm9bx]

Glaive???

[@vedser]

Zeus ZywoO Get_Right Fallen Styko

[@ghisky9585]

karrigan is not a top 3 igl in csgo until he wins a major IMO

[@sampepper8799]

@@vedser fallen has been shit for almost 2 years and wtf is zeus doing there he wasted s1mples 2018 form

[@PALbub]

Tell me your 5 favorite things Legija brings to the table in this show. Exactly.

[@4GoodFever]

Ienesta best player, better than Messi :V

[@suyogkhadilkar]

Thorin overrated !

[@Defy7777]

ofc

[@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos]

no u