Bavaria C42: What You Should Know | Boat Tour

[@paulstephens5229]

I would like to see you on the Kracken 50, preferably with out Bill, I would like an honest opinion un influenced by his presence. Or they do a smaller one now is it a 44 45 46, that would be awesome.

[@deerfootnz]

While the krakens are definitely aimed at blue water cruising and are definitely much better constructed than the average white boat, they have unfortunately gone down the heavy displacement rabbit hole. They have D/L ratio's of 200 and in the real world that's likely to be higher with full load. That weight is putting a very high load on the rig, steering and crew. In addition they cling to 1960's nonsense like skegged rudders, which in a glass boat add little strength, are a long term maintenance nightmare and make the steering considerably less effective. Having a metal frame encapsulated underwater with different thermal expansion rates, no aeration for stainless passivation and a secondary bind to the hull is far from ideal. The only time skegs make sense is in a metal boat. I am also not in love with encapsulated keels. Bolt in keels and spade rudders can be done right and when they are they work very very well. That production boats do not do them right doesn't mean they aren't a good idea, it just means that production boats are poorly built boats.

[@PaulBKal]

@@deerfootnzeach to their own, but way too many bolt-on keels and rudders unsupported by skegs fail on modern boats to dismiss it as 1960’s nonsense. Not sure the families of the four men lost aboard Cheeky Rafiki do. Or the owners of all those Bavarias that lost rudders leading to mandatory exclusion from ARC and other rallies, particularly in the SW Pacific, until modified. As a cruising sailor living aboard, crossing oceans and cruising sometimes poorly charted exotic locations, I want to know I can run aground and know the boat doesn’t have to be immediately slipped and rebuilt (as per the MAIB report into Cheeky Rafiki). And I also know there are two types of sailors: those who run aground; and those who lie about it.

[@marktaylor484]

We need more video's like this which point out the critical shortcoming's of the new and shiny offerings.

[@normanplotkin8105]

I would enjoy reviews of smaller boats, say 24' to 34'. We old (I am in my 70s) day sailors and weekend cruisers mostly sail smaller boats. Some smaller boats to review would include the Pacific Seacraft Dana 24 and Orien 30, the Catalina's 25, 28,27.30,32 and 34 and 35, some of the older Pearsons and Cals, and the newer Beneteau Oceanis 30 and 34. Would love for you to review my Catalina 28mii. But I am probably located too far where you live and work. I live in Atlanta, GA and my boat is on Lake Sidney Lanier at Lake Lanier Sailing Club.

[@brucebyrnes125]

I love your straight forward, honest and balanced videos. I would love to see you a more in-depth review of a Catalina 425. Your 40 footer video was a like a teaser.

[@franckbrunie4759]

I own its predecessor, the Bavaria 41 cruiser. Much the same but with a full nav (home office) desk, a Dufour-like double seat instead of a sofa, and 2 genua winches. Great boat and, as here, the double mainsail sheet act as a retainer, making jibing in strong wind single handed easy and safe.

[@freemansmith1]

Great comments below. I love the brutal analysis which is about as objective as subjective can be. Absolutely the kind of reviews I like. Great presentation Tim. Practical Sailor is now on my radar. Thanks, Marty

[@enrique-y6e]

Hallberg Rassy 40C please :)

[@vinceduenni]

Hey Tim, great video. Really nice to see honest pro and cons instead of the usual marketing odes that most channels do. Which is why I'd really like to see your take on the neel trimarans, because you mainly one sided reviews online. I'm really interested in the concept of monohull behavior with multihull space

[@rexanddonnaboyd]

Good to see what's new in the boating industry. It makes me appreciate my 2006 Catalina...no squeaks!

[@javacup912]

Indeed, the "floor" is way noisier than it needs to be. I'm sure all those seems are part of the probelm. On my 84 Endevour, the SOLE was a single piece from the galley to the V-berth, to the dining area, all one piece. Taking it out to do below the sole work, was very tediious, so i divided it in two, the part from the galley to the V-berth is one piece now, while the dining area is the other "half". The cut in between is about less than 3mm and trued, and will need to install some sort of rubber to seal the gap and hopefully be quieter than that Bavaria. I agree with you on this boat. Fot living at a marina with occasional sailing the boat would be great, for for 100/150 mles days for a while, not so practical. I would definitely would modify that fridge, and get rid of the silly nav station, and put a clothes hangin closset. Though, loos better inside that the typical plastic production boats. I would buy a $300-$400K boat just to entretain! Imagine the room in that cockpit with a snigle helm! Great video.

[@TimAch-p2c]

Look at the 2019 model boats coming out of Tier 1 charter company fleets this year. Possibly the most popular models plus the best bet for Carribean live aboard cruiser. Also the pros and cons of a boat coming out of the charter fleet. Cue the haters.

[@blainespaulding3197]

Really looking forward to more of these. Really appreciate you and Practical Sailor keeping it real!

[@Morrisfactor]

The slanted cabin corners don't look very safe to me either! Nor the sharp corners throughout the interior. Tim - you summed it up perfectly when you said it might be a great live-aboard but not really the right tool to travel across oceans.

[@Chris-zo5ze]

Yay boat tours!!!! I'd like tours/ reviews of Beneteau 473 and Catalina 470.

[@stevedionne1316]

Glad to see an honest review pointing out the deficiencies in some of these boats coming from Europe. In my humble opinion, these boats are the results of focus groups consisting of greenies who like to sit at anchor. Big beds, sharp corners, lack of handholds, no mainsheet traveler tells me this boat was designed to be a floating condo... not a sailboat.

[@artsmith103]

I took on a $300 project to put a slightly oversized traveler on a 26ft water ballast trailer sailer. There's only about 14" of travel off center (width of companionway) and it's a wonderful improvement! No way I'd ever sail a boat without a user-friendly traveler.

[@davejones3771]

I own one. I have a different (German Mainsheet) mainsheet system, I have a full genoa and tracks. In short it is a very different boat to the basic one described here. I regularly sail 150 mile trips in less than 24 hours. She is fast, stable and comfortable. The interior is a lovely place to be and she has none of the creaking floorboards shown on the video. You use the the term 'deficiencies of boats coming from Europe'. In short, if the boat is properly specified and sorted, it will have no 'deficiencies'.

[@bjn68]

I would like an honest review of the Pegasus 50 and of the new Elan GT6 Explorer. Thanks!!!

[@PaulGriffith]

It reminds me of some of the cost reduction I've seen in RVs. Looks like it was designed for first impressions and entertaining, and less for sailing.

[@horationelson3823]

More reviews of smaller boats. I think we have all seen enough of 38 to 42 foot Euroboats. How about some 21 footers that are interesting.

[@tomelerding1399]

As you seem to be covering boats from any decade, I nominate the Beneteau 473 as a subject for a review. It’s a favorite of mine, even though I’ll never own one.

[@easternyeti]

I would like to see some smaller modern boats and see your opinion of them sailing. Pick any thing you can find (you already did catalina 38 and an older Tartan30). I like the smaller boats that take more design from the racing like Pogo 30, Pogo 36, Revolution 29, RM 1070 or smaller etc. A lot of the beloved older boats were based on race designs to weekend race which boats like the the Bavarias are quite removed.

[@danknox9986]

I like to see a review of a Santa Cruz 52. A racy one.

[@johnoliver6663]

I wanna see the Tartan 395!

[@elipsis6700]

Please do a comparison of the Bavaria Vision 42

[@hypnocracy6102]

would love a walk thru (and audio recording of it) for Pacific Seacraft PS34.

[@artsmith103]

I know where you're shopping....

[@1991pony]

I would really like to see a review of almost any Hylas, perhaps something in the mid 40 foot range.

[@AliceMiller-q3j]

Will you please review the Tartan 40'?

[@williamstreet4304]

Thank you. Having done about 12,000 NM offshore in the last 18 months, I have become very sensitive to noises from the boat. Fortunately, I have been on under 50' boats weighing over 20 tons. They don't squeak much. I've also become very sensitive to open spaces and sharp corners after being launched a couple of times across the saloon. Even rounded corners can cause significant skin slippage vs the underlying tissue. I love the interior of the Bavaria for evening social hour at anchor. But I don't think I would like it in a squall 1000 NM from land. Yes, I admit to being thrown across the boat. It happens.

[@deerfootnz]

I have done over 200,000 miles. You will start to realize after some more experience that weight has no value except in a road roller, to paraphrase the great Uffa Fox. More displacement means bigger sails, more load on the rig, the rudder and steering and ultimately, the crew. It also means higher fuel consumption under power. My boat would be counted as an ultralight at a D/L of 80. It is however very robustly constructed and not at all flimsy. There are no squeaks or rattles. We average 200 miles per day on passage. With more wind we can average faster, with our best day so far being 239 miles. The boat is 60 feet long but has a rig the same size as my previous 43ft boat. It's easy to single hand. The displacement is under 18 tons fully loaded. I can motor almost 1500 miles and carry 1.5 tons of fresh water. I have never seen the autopilot stressed even in 6m waves. The boat is almost impossible to broach. Heavy displacement is not the answer. Good boat design is.

[@YTMegiddo]

At the Annapolis Boat show, this was the most surprising things... the squeaky 'floor'. I just had a hard time liking these interiors. But hulls, oh yeah... love them!

[@waynestokes9046]

Excellent series of information. That Bavaria looks cheap and down below it looks dangerous in a seaway. I would like to see some reviews of older boats still out crusing. I.e Rival 32 and 34 sailboats. I have a 1984 Aloha 32 which I like a lot. which is well built apparently has a good reputation for cruising offshore.

[@davejones3771]

I own one. As someone who has owned yachts continuously for 32 years, I am very choosy. It is very well built, not cheap to buy and I can assure you that it is not dangerous in a seaway. I would not exchange this modern, fast, smooth, comfortable, reliable well built boat for an old boat.

[@SailThePaleBlueDot]

I started sailing when I was 15 but got sidetracked when I was around 30. I'm now 66 and finally finished pursuing "The American Dream" for others. I'm ready to get back to my dreams before it's too late. Over the years I have accumulated some skin damage, so I'm interested in a pilothouse design. Most of the time when I hear the word "pilothouse" I also hear "motorsailer". An engine is great for getting out of the marina and getting the sails up. After that, I don't want to hear or smell it. Are there any pilothouse boats out there which are sailboats first and motor boats a distant second? Sorry if you have already covered this topic. I haven't watched all of your videos yet, but I plan to! Fair winds and thanks for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us!

[@louisfbrooks]

I want to see you review a Kraken.

[@jamesgordon2289]

I learned a lot again. Thank you!

[@garywinslow2973]

A 20 yr old Catalina 42 Mk II. Thank you.

[@deerfootnz]

All production boats are designed and built with cost reduction first and selling in the "showroom" second. What they are not designed for is cruising and especially extended and live aboard cruising. With many guests for a short cruise in sheltered waters, they are fine. If you want to live aboard and cruise across oceans then you will have to modify these boats extensively at some expense. Chainplates, hull-deck join, steering, anchor gear, bulkhead attachment will usually all need work. At least this one has a single rudder! Production boats are this way, because this is what sells.

[@jcmckellar5830]

I would like more reviews of cats.....especially Fontain Pajot

[@svsalserenity4375]

Yeah you can come and see my Bristol 45.5 anytime. It has a sole .

[@pl7868]

I would like to watch that one 🙂

[@valerieb.4912]

I can fully agree. Bristol 41.1 hull #43. Bristols are Sailors Dream boat. Happy Sailing ⛵.

[@svsalserenity4375]

@@valerieb.4912 Yes , these boat are special no doubt, and they sail very well and are extremely sea kindly . Ted Hood knew how to draw a fast blue water that’s easy on its crew .

[@markfreeman9801]

Hanse 455 or 505 please

[@deerfootnz]

I owned a Hanse 430e. Possibly the worse built boat I have ever been on. The main bulkhead was not bonded in properly. The hatches were not sealed to the deck properly. The autopilot install was such that under load the sprocket jumped teeth on the vhain due to inadequate "wrap" on the sprocket. There was no way to stop the headstay furler chafing in the deck. And so much more wrong. I sailed the boat 10,000 miles. Never again will I buy a Hanse.

[@kkklllaaa1234]

Solaris 111 please

[@proudUSAInfidel-lt3pp]

Sailing is definitely food for the soul, though often good cheer turns to excess and well that leads to a poor lone sole on watch in the early morning hours and a need for real cleaning below...

[@randomtraveler3363]

Most of these modern boats are designed as day sailors or for the Charter industry. More like a New York apartment that an offshore boat. Compared to the Tayana 37, you reviewed, which is a true voyaging yacht.

[@LambdaZetaTeke]

I wish Yanmar would either cut inspection holes in their belt shrouds or switch to a clear plexiglass cover over the belts and pullies. The current design makes it almost impossible to inspect ones belts before/during operation.

[@raireva4689]

More higher end boats reviews lije HR, Najads or Dutch semicustom Koopnan etc. This will show wiewers how cheaply the euro production boats are made...

[@travelradiocoza]

All these new boats are just waaaaaayyyyy to expensive for me, so I wouldn't like to make too many comments .... BUT ... This looks as if it was done one the cheap? Pity .... Because I like Bavaria in general. I only have a very modest Hunter 280 ( yes with the swept back spreaders that won't sail downwind without tacking ), but the floors don't squeak, the cupboards last, the hot water is great and so is the space ... For 28ft ... So cheap for me then I suppose. I do love watching what's out there though.

[@robtrahan2367]

Dufour Atol 50’ there might be 1 in North America/ Caribbean😩 (Tour)

[@jokeralpha4482]

Hallberg Rassy 40C

[@yacht_less]

Well done!

[@pl7868]

Reminds me of when the wife interrupted me happily doing nothing to fix a cabinet in the basement of the church , some screw was loose or something so got my trusty every bit in the handle screwdriver and dejectedly walked over , we live across the street so are close to God or something , anyway it was one of those ikea or something 5 foot cabinets with two doors an shelves , forget now what screws were loose but as soon as I started tightening one the whole thing fell apart collapsing on the floor , we both looked in shock an awe at all those pieces suddenly lying on the floor and broke out into laughter , it just collapsed into it's component parts , I figure you weigh about the same as me something shy of 200 an if the floor/sole squeaks so much no one will ever sneak up behind you um what's holding that deck stepped mast up ?

[@graemeday4195]

Much prefer the Sirius 40DS

[@fluffi8161]

Not worth it, i dont know why everybody want that boat. If u need a big place to be and have much money go for a cat.

[@everwind5691]

This boat is designed to be a condo at the dock. Perhaps a weekend coastal sailor. Can't imagine the interior would hold up over time to heavy usage.

[@dfharris03]

Awesome review. Translation: She's a squeaky clean dock queen not well suited for passage making. It you like the noise of the sole drowning out complaining guests then she might be just the ticket.

[@carrierserena]

Dufour 460

[@BigDreamsBoating]

Sole squeaks more in that new boat then my 1980 Pearson. To me I want a solid boat for 500k or more…

[@svavalon2598]

Very useful and helpful review. Perhaps less of a sailing boat.. more a boat made for entertainment and sales!

[@TheJamesthe13]

Deck stepped mast, NOOOPE. Next

[@HandyMan657]

I would have stopped looking at deck step mast. Thanks from the present. Take care

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

It’s a dock boat. We have to remember who it’s build for.

[@fluffi8161]

Insieme 40 / Hanse 410

[@Pearly44-nm7kn]

Love the video. Hate the boat. I've been on it twice. This might be a bright and airy interior, (the nicest thing you can say about it,) but the build quality smacks of cheap.

[@artsmith103]

The nav table/radio is completely unacceptable.

[@JP-lz3vk]

@@artsmith103 That really gets me as well. It's a 40' day sailor. You can't navigate or cook while heeled to starboard.

[@artsmith103]

@@JP-lz3vk 42' but who's counting (Harbor master that charges by the foot :-(

[@PaulBKal]

This is a boat built to a price and designed to appeal to at boat shows. For probably 4 buyers out of 5 who will use it a week or two a year and half a dozen other weekends, it’s a lovely boat, but for liveboard passagemaking, there’s much better choices, but most of them are much older boats. For a start, what’s with this nonsensical adhesion to fractional rigs with small headsails and huge mains in ALL modern designs. These are racing rigs! ALL cruisers want to sail off wind, which is where large overlapping headsails really cart you along. You just pull a reef or two into your main and leave all the headsail up she’ll bear (probably all of it up until over 25 knots and the centre of effort will be well forward and you’ll have heaps of power to sail at or just over your hull speed with great comfort and control. That does not describe fractional rig downwind sailing, where some sort of spinnaker will be required. If you do need to sail upwind, reef your headie first but only keep enough sail up to power you through the waves at somewhere near your hull speed.

[@carrierserena]

Squeaking is a no go for the wife, was her biggest complain when we chartered

[@theosphilusthistler712]

Large rectangular holes in hull + cost minimising construction = hard no.

[@incognito6469]

Walk any new Jeanneau; the 'floor' squeaks the same way as on this boat.

[@tomlambert1833]

GUESS we're sticking with our catalina 380..

[@moparnation2235]

ip349 and ip439

[@TheBeer4me]

Sailboats no longer made (out of business)

[@tellerhill3832]

This ⬆️. I’d love to see a review of Shannon, Bristol, heck.. even a Catalina 42 mkll. Maybe a compare and contrast with a newer boat?

[@valerieb.4912]

@@tellerhill3832 Greetings, "Mature" sailboats would win. New boats not so much. Even the Hallberg Rassy sold out to IKEA. very sad..

[@matteframe]

ugh, they're all installing self-tacking jibs now? No bueno.

[@chirhoaten3220]

The floor of this 51 year old swedish albin sailyacht makes less noise than that brand new Bavaria, but at least that Bavaria doesn't have the ugly IKEA interior of most modern yachts

[@richardduval9237]

Who wants to sails seriously on this cottage ? Cheap look and cheap build ! Tape à l'oeil !!!!!

[@valerieb.4912]

Yes indeed it is a "Floor". This is another party boat. I would not be caught in the deep blue ocean with this boat. The inside design is impractical and not logical (example: Very tiny sink and the chart table's corners). Yes, color scheme is more fit for sailors.

[@paulbyrne2035]

That floor is really annoying and the sharp corners dangerous

[@mememe5231]

Great video! But not for me.

[@carlthor91]

Yes Tim, I am not impressed, at all: 1) Squeaks, as you point out. 2) Sharp corners, where it should be rounded. 3) Low/no fiddle rails. 4) Your noted lacking of deck preparation, (hand rails the end well short of where they should). 5) Everything you mentioned on deck, for sail handling. This is a party boat nothing more. I would put my money in another boat. Best wishes from the North.

[@Rigshospitalet]

My Bavaria 44 from 2004 - is much better built

[@artsmith103]

My opinion is day sailor is 19-23', weekender 24-30', coastal cruiser 32-37', cruiser 38-44'. If a 42' doesn't immediately impress you with size and quality, walk away. What's the point with all that room to not get it right. Personally, my interest is coastal cruising and most specifically most capable 34' for draft and bridge clearance reasons.

[@fluffi8161]

What is what is a question of payload and deadweight. In small boats u cant load as much... A cruiser needs a good ton more equipment. So u can calculate what is an cruiser and what a coaster. And couple-Family cruiser and although coastal cruiser boats are the range of 37-42 foot. Everything down that are small boats There are fix calculates for boats to look what is what in the end

[@romanhmelevsky900]

Damned IKEA-style on every new boat, it's a shame.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Minority report is in - we hate this boat Skipper. It is literally a stereotype of a floating condo. Nope, I'm not sending my 12yo grandson to look at the anchor underway. If only I could say it is form over function, except it's bug ugly imho. I'll be quiet now. =) ⚓

[@hypnocracy6102]

😝

[@valerieb.4912]

👍

[@seandayma]

The finish on the boat is unsatisfactory... especially at the price point.

[@conradlogan5201]

The boat seems to “check boxes”,,,, but it has no soul (or sole either),,, let alone the insubstantial attempt at a chart table

[@bjn68]

Not a well-designed boat. Looks cheaply made!

[@wallacegrommet9343]

Now that in-boom furling is reliable and proven, no in-mast for me.