⁴ᴷ⁶⁰ BART: Fleet of the Future Trains Arriving and Departing Embarcadero

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Six of BART's shining new trains showed up at Embarcadero station within 20 minutes, which presented us with a terrific filming opportunity.
As of the upload date of this video, BART has put nine new trains into revenue service on weekdays, and three-fourths of them decided to be at Embarcadero around the same time.
Embarcadero trades the stature with Montgomery station of being the busiest station in the BART system, with over 40,000 average weekday boardings. The station is the last stop for East Bay-bound trains in San Francisco, and the first stop for SF/Peninsula-bound trains.

[@Caitsith810]

It's nice to see some BART action from transit fans out in Norcal. I find it to be kinda rare to see some decent footage of the system. Yours is probably some of the best I've seen to date. Fun fact: The day this video was uploaded/published was the day I fanned this station lol. It was my first stop before exploring Downtown San Francisco. Great job with the video, I'm also very impressed with the quality!

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Thank you so much! Hope you enjoyed exploring the city.

[@PHope-sl4nj]

I Agree.

[@timosha21]

I'm a-freight that my train puns are going off the rails :P Great video by the way!

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Haha thanks!

[@noremfor]

I like how i can also hear the MUNI on the floor above the Embarcadero BART

[@jtrail]

I appreciate the amount of time you spent at a single station to get just FOTF trains! Edit: Also interested in seeing a BART police inside a car right when the doors open in the first clip.

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Thank you; sometimes they all show up within 20 minutes (like they did here), which is nice of BART to do.

[@jtrail]

@@BayAreaTransitNews hmm maybe I'll have that luck when I come in August. Depending on order sizes it may cut down to every 15!

[@Elvisfighta]

2024 person here, if you want cool train footage, you should come to Denver, ride trains around, and watch the commuter rail and light rail trains go by

[@TheCloakedTiger]

I’ve been riding BART for 23+ years and it’s changed so much and sadly not for the better with all the crazy stuff going on lately. But I’m sure it will pull through eventually and get better. I hope! New cars are the start!

[@TohaBgood2]

The older generation of riders was extremely militant about keeping the BART board on its toes. They paid a ton of money for BART to be built and people were extremely ticked off when BART didn't measure up to its downright luxurious promises! I am sad to say that we lost our way! The riders are just more willing to give the BART board a pass on all sorts of crap. Safety has become atrocious. Apparently we now accept that the cops just never patrol the trains or stations. They haven't even hired enough cops per their own plans and now they reduced the planned staffing levels for cops even more. The cleaning staff is clearly slacking and the Board just does absolutely nothing. BART used to be spotless for decades, but about 10 years ago the problems started. We need to start tearing the BART board "a new one" at every meeting until they fix the system! If were weren't all such slackers about raising hell then BART would have never let the system degrade so much!

[@antoineyoung36]

Wait a second. I can hear the new muni train at 6:41

[@SuperWorldRailFanProductions]

It's a transfer station, so that's why

[@antoineyoung36]

@@SuperWorldRailFanProductions oh ok. Thanks for the info

[@edwardrosemond7169]

Nice!

[@PHope-sl4nj]

Very Nice Trains. I Love Them. ❤️

[@wishmaker]

The only thing I love about this when I used to live in SF. That and WHO remembers Jackie Chan Adventures!?

[@frankyu553]

I remember! But was Jackie Chan Adventures set in SF?? Man it's been so many years since I last watched the show... If it is that'd made me love the show even more.

[@TRANSLASLionsCityMovia]

I LOVE IT!!!!! Hoping to take it

[@mrbreadcrumb]

7:06 am i the only one who noticed a coincidential transition between the propulsion/noises of the MUNI and BART?

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Hey that's pretty cool

[@californiamade5608]

happygerman443 nope. I noticed it too.

[@qjtvaddict]

Why doesn’t BART skip stops in San Francisco? With MUNI being local

[@RogueRail]

I would really like Athearn to make a HO scale set of the new BART Trains

[@Aviationfan2022]

Oh yeah you can hear the muni metro lrvs as well as embarcadero is a station for the muni metro. I have never been there before but good vid that would make me film for hours on bart

[@PHope-sl4nj]

I Love Embarcadero Station.

[@evanstonbalce9588]

So do I, back in the 90s I would spend sometime watching Muni trains reverse their directions there before the N line was extended to Caltrain Depot

[@BryceGabrielCuyuganSembrano]

I can hear Muni Subway in the background!

[@east_bay_transit_nerd]

Wow, so much train spotting bliss. Also I see that graffiti came, I see it at 5:54

[@frankyu553]

Kinda pissed off at the graffiti though. We finally have new trains and it already got vandalised so soon...

[@east_bay_transit_nerd]

I wasn’t happy about it if you thought that, I was just pointing it out

[@ejdsndnj]

No that’s the red light coming from the new bart train

[@marcuscheng2507]

I normally go there for Oracle Park!

[@chowder2134]

I still have yet to ride a new train. I have only seen them.

[@jlbraswell5961]

Nice! Can you please do a video like that for Montgomery and Powell please?

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Maybe...

[@joegage5893]

@@BayAreaTransitNews that door chime sounds like the siemens s 70

[@TohaBgood2]

@@joegage5893 It's a Siemens S200 LRV4 that Muni operates one level above the BART level of the station. The floor above this BART level houses the Muni Metro subway. This whole section of four BART stations at Embarcadero, Mongomery, Powell, and Civic Center is a giant transfer section between BART and the Muni Metro subway. Now the Powell station actually has two Muni Metro subway transfers. One to the Market street Muni subway lines and another to the brand new Central Subway line. Definitely worth checking out if you're ever in town!

[@brycelynds3768]

i'm sorry is the noise when the trains start rolling from the station different now? I grew up in Oakland and that noise is ingrained in my head.

[@yaboidre5672]

A-Fleet trains with the angled-front car, OG space-age 70s vibes Or Fleet of the Future, modern sci-fi futuristic vibes?

[@kalpana2525]

Important

[@basictransportenthusiast4386]

6:10 oof already got graffiti

[@evanstonbalce9588]

It will be removed eventually

[@bballerryday]

I wonder how long the 10 car trains are in relation to the longest possible NYC subway cars or the L in Chicago

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Six-car trains in Chicago (the max number of cars) are approximately 290 feet; 10-car NYC trains are ~600 feet; BART has the longest rapid transit trains in North America, at around 710 feet for 10-car trains.

[@bleepiestofbloops]

@@BayAreaTransitNews Wow! I would've thought NYC had longer trains! I guess the curved platforms tripped me up.

[@2712animefreak]

@@BayAreaTransitNews Don't they use 8-car trains in Chicago?

[@bkark0935]

Yes, but not on all lines, only on those Colored Lines that are considered the busiest to warrant eight versus six train consists. The Subways have had eight car trains for a while, thus the Blue and Red Lines. The Brown Line until recently, only had elevated stations long enough to accommodate six car trains. A decade ago, all stations were lengthened. The Elevated Loop Dowtown has been able to take 8 car trains since the 1990s; especially after the opening of Orange Line Extention to Midway Airport and the rehabilitation of the Green Line.

[@k.h.4698]

BART cars are 70 feet each (except cab cars), so maximum 10 car trains are 700 feet.

[@petrichorbreeze]

Where are there lights between the cars? Are they supposed to be on?

[@californiamade5608]

AyshunPryde yes, they turn on every time the doors open.

[@petitkruger2175]

Why are there red lights between the carriages.

[@PHope-sl4nj]

Tons Of Rush Hours.

[@marcusarline1720]

All day yes

[@realquadmoo]

How common are these new trains?

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Very common at this point

[@realquadmoo]

@@BayAreaTransitNews Are they more common than the old fleet?

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

@@realquadmoo it depends on the day, but more often than not yes

[@realquadmoo]

@@BayAreaTransitNews That is awesome!!

[@erintyler7320]

Wait I never saw the Bart train

[@lol-ug2ry]

Green line is the fastest line

[@evanstonbalce9588]

Yellow line is the longest

[@leatherman88ch]

And she's talking it sounds like the DMV lady

[@MacMyKitty]

We need to get rid of Caltrain and add bart to San Mateo county, maybe extending it to gilroy

[@jamesparson]

Can I take the train to San Jose yet? And I don't mean J-Church

[@californiamade5608]

James Mohler not yet.

[@devilmaster5586]

Yes you can

[@pinggaming9568]

6:03 It's sad how new these cars are and they already have graffiti. (Look inside the door, just below the door closing indicator.) :(

[@tanesha1986]

When I first was introduced to BART I was only 5 years old and went to san Francisco And I had no idea what station I was at or what Bart's history was so I started studying it and found sum Cool things About Bart But then NEW BART TRAINS CAME OUT A BRGED TO MY DAD CAN WE FIND A NEW BART TRAIN my dad said there is not a new Bart train and on one week he was going to work and he found!! an new train he called my mom why he was on it I Said DAD I TOLD YOU THERE IS A NEW BART TRAIN He said sorry for calling me crazy and we looked and looked and looked every time we went on Bart for the new train but never a new one in site then one day we got off Bart and went to the Richmond crossover transfer to the Amtrak then when night came i was recording my phone went dead THEN THE NEW BART TRAIN SHOWED UP ON THE OTHER SIDE WERE THE BART IS I WAS TRIGGERED!! AND I THREM MY PHONE ON THE FLOOR AND SAID F YOU PHONE AS THE TRAIN WENT AWAY A NOTHER ONE CAME I WAS SO TRIGGERED and one day my dad was felling good and on September of 2020 Me my dad my step sister her mom and my sister went to find the new train it was starting to get more common and we saw so many new trains going to Richmond and I was recording all of them then i said dad lets just go on a Richmond one stop cues I was at El Cerrito Del Norte but the voice said 10 car 3-door train to San Francisco Millbrae in 2 minutes I scram in excitement then my step sister said lets go but it was her first time Ever riding Bart the train came we went to Embarcadero Bart station and we were walking to the mall we got some waters from mc Donald and I was drinking mine then my step sister splashed Hers all over my red and black jacket and on my black pants I was so mad my dad told me my face was red and my dad said to her you wana go back home And I answered for her i said yes I'm so mad we went back to embarcadero and she was lucky we got a new train again and i said nothing to her on the way back and she tried to say sorry i sad no this is the only pants jacket and shirt that goes with my Red shoes my sister was also mad at my step sister the end of my Bart sorry

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Thank you for the incredible story!

[@troyc908]

But people would prolly still piss in them

[@hulloits4421]

6:10 new car, shame to see that someone has already vandalized the doorframe.

[@shahimagesyt]

Bet in a year or two, the new trains will be in the same condition as the previous ones unless bart actually cleans them more often. Maybe an anti graffiti coating would help.

[@tankman_tv9332]

@@shahimagesyt theyre not, they still look cleaner and certainly newer than the old cars, how do i know? I rode on 2 fleet of the future trains in december of last year

[@shahimagesyt]

@TankMan_TV Yeah. After all, I did say bet haha

[@realquadmoo]

They totally should have platform screen doors at all stations. The trains have very bright lights at the front which could throw someone off and make them trip, the trains approach at a high speed causing wind as it passes by and makes the risk of someone being pushed into one possibly much worse. They already have door markers and some stops to my knowledge already have platform screen doors. If they do add platform screen doors it will pretty much just be a cherry on top to all of the other traits of this amazing network

[@TohaBgood2]

BART was actually planning on installing platform screen doors about a decade ago. But the old cars only had two doors per car and the planning process for procuring the new fleet identified the upgrade to three doors per car as a key improvement. That's part of the reason why BART stopped the process to install platform screen doors. Once they fully scrap all the old cars, they're probably going to restart the process with the platform-screen doors. But this will take quite a few more years. The BART fleet is pretty massive and it takes Bombardier a long time to manufacture that many cars. One thing of note is that platform screen doors are not popular in the US. I personally find them claustrophobia inducing. A ton of people actually think the same. Most people seem to prefer platform gates and barricades a la Shinkansen stations. But with BART, platform screen doors actually may be a pretty universally liked feature. A ton of BART stations are in the middle of highways and the platform screen doors would in effect serve as noise screens. I for one am willing to tolerate them purely for the noise reduction that they will bring at highway median stations!

[@realquadmoo]

@@TohaBgood2 that’s some great insight!

[@nicolasblume1046]

Why the hell didn't they make the new trains fully walk-through with open gangways? Would be good for safety, comfort and capacity.

[@xlr0gd205]

Alstom only produces 5-car trains for BART and the system needs 10 for each unit so there are 2 different trains coupled into one unit thus no access between cars 5 and 6

[@gamereric2189]

I see they still chose the ugly design. At least they made the windows double sided...

[@atomstarfireproductions8695]

How is it ugly? Both the old and new trains look very futuristic.