⁴ᴷ⁶⁰ BART: Fleet of the Future and Legacy Trains at Milpitas (First Day of Service)

[@FunWithMemesFunWithMemes]

Notice how the 4 newest stations (West Dublin/Pleasanton, Warm Springs, Milpitas, Berryessa) look so futuristic and sexy compared to all the other stations

[@davidnissim589]

Man, that is one nice station.

[@michaelanthony2675]

New trains: sleek, sexy, modern Legacy trains: comfortable, spacious, discreet

[@atomstarfireproductions8695]

Some of the legacy trains are over 45 years old now. I wonder how long they will last. They have replaced the control and propulsion system about 20 years ago.

[@TohaBgood2]

@@atomstarfireproductions8695 Not long. As-is the BART technicians are forced to buy old electronics junk on eBay to get the ancient components they need. Keeping the old fleet rolling is extremely expensive. The fact that the old trains are pretty exotic rolling stock isn't helping either. My guess is that as soon as they have enough new cars for another full train they immediately try to scrap an old train for parts. Although, they do have a shortage of cars, so they are probably delaying scrapping at least some of the old cars until they have enough new rolling stock.

[@dominicmatthews4686]

I think Bart 🚆 train new and old are awesome and amazing 👏 😀 Bart trains are the best

[@dominicmatthews4686]

I thank you 😊 for letting us watch your videos of bart trains new and old

[@TheCloakedTiger]

The Milpitas station is so beautifully designed and it connects VTA light rail. I think this station is the missing link in the whole Bay Area transit system.

[@NomadicDmitry]

Both Milpitas and San Jose Berryessa stations are great :)

[@frankdenardo8261]

Need to see it

[@PHope-sl4nj]

I Love The New Milpitas Station.❤️

[@synthywavy1982]

The lights by the platform is exactly what’s in the LA Metro Red/Purple line subways stations. It’s also in Berryessa, San Bruno and South San Francisco BART.

[@kidzanarkand]

Thank you for posting this. My toddler has been watching it for an hour now

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

This makes us very happy. You're welcome!

[@PHope-sl4nj]

Agreed.

[@phantompinoy]

Cool! Now I can go to Great Mall without the traffic!

[@evanstonbalce9588]

Josh Ocampo I can visit it from Daly City by just one train as oppose to taking Caltrain and VTA light rail

[@phantompinoy]

@@evanstonbalce9588 In can tell that VTA and Caltrain are too much of a hassle! Now you can board a Berryessa train from there!

[@cashvault1996]

And if you want to go to California’s great America, I’m sure you can get off at the station and take VTA there. I’ve seen some electric cables and tracks subway cars travel through those streets

[@c.alvarado503]

Thank you for posting this gotta make a trip down to the south bay some day just to hang around.

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

You're welcome! Have fun when you do that.

[@c.alvarado503]

Well do.

[@davidnissim589]

I can go to the Great Mall without having to drive now!

[@contentdeleted670]

Thats such a nice station!

[@galaxyrailfanning7860]

Awesome action!

[@californiaporg]

I like the departing and arriving sounds on the legacy trains

[@SunRailMV]

Love that style!

[@syomiraa]

To be honest, I used to hate the legacy trains. Today I stand mistaken. ❤

[@mateojames3231]

Same here. Before covid I used to hunt for the connected driver cab and stand at the left side of the driver seat to enjoy the view away from riders. It's also ventilated and the most quiet part of the cab.

[@PHope-sl4nj]

Agreed.

[@21xd09]

Absolutely stunning! Station definitely looks very sleek and modern! I wonder how many newer trains do you guys have in the fleet. Seems like they are beginning to out number the older legacy models. Nice video!

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Thank you! BART has put eleven FOTF trains into service as I write this. That's about 1/7 of the total number of new cars that will be delivered over the next few years.

[@overviewstrain]

Such a beautiful and modern station! There’s bunch of ads on your videos too, which is so cool!

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Usually people don't like the ads haha, but thank you!

[@overviewstrain]

@@BayAreaTransitNews ads are annoying lol, but I’m impressed ads show up for your videos!

[@marcusarline1720]

Excellent

[@FinMike]

Radical Station and all! Really really hope I can go to that station in the near future, and it looks really wonderful! But why the announcer thing at 3:20 announced the train coming really late, like as the train was already in the station

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

That's about the only gripe we have about Milpitas station, that the announcements play late.

[@FinMike]

@@BayAreaTransitNews Aahhh Got ya, Thanks

[@OliversElevators]

I always thought the ‘now approaching’ announcements played when the train was approaching the platform, not when it was already pulling into the station. This station seems to have an issue with that. I also hate it when the train operators on the Fleet of the Future trains play the door closing chime and shut the doors while the ‘doors closing’ announcement is still playing. I feel like they should wait until the announcement has finished playing and then close the doors. But that’s just me being picky. :)

[@alexoverton152]

Is it just me or do the new bart trains have 2 levels of their horns? Cause the horn at 7:08 seems significantly louder than the one at 3:22. Maybe its just cause of the different distances of the train from the camera.

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

No you're right, the FOTF has a normal horn and a jump-scare horn, equivalent to the legacy fleet's normal horn and air horn.

[@larailfan1714]

Whenever I ride BART, I fear the one at 7:08.

[@cashvault1996]

For the train driver’s point of view: It’s like what Agent J (a.k.a. Will Smith) said in Men in Black II, “what you remember is you used to drive that old busted junk. You see, I drive…………the new hotness.” And like the subway and Jeff scene, “thank you for participating in our drill, hopefully you enjoyed our new smaller and new energy efficient subway cars. Watch your step, you have a nice evening.” LOL 😆

[@rcdo-ultrarailwaytransitfan76]

Nice I’ve Never Been To The New Stations Yet But They look nice tho

[@OliverSolorzano]

This is amazing, I’m beyond excited to see BART making its way to the South Bay. In the future, BART should consider diversifying its routes. Such as Dublin Pleasanton to San Jose or Antioch-Pittsburg Bay Point to San Jose.

[@StrawberryJamJam29]

That would be nice. When I was in Korea, the trains were like a spider web. Where you can transfer at different stations in many different areas so there is not one way of going somewhere. It was super cool and gives alternative ways to get somewhere if one shuts down.

[@TohaBgood2]

@@StrawberryJamJam29 We actually could have a system like that if we upgraded all of our Bay Area rail systems to at least Caltrain levels. Caltrain itself is being upgraded to BART-level 15-minute service. BART is about to double its frequencies. If we could just beef up Muni, the Capitol Corridor, the ACE, maybe add some stops on the San Joaquins, and connect all of them with better busses and ferries then we’d be 90% there in terms of matching best practices internationally! Unfortunately, many people want our tax dollars to subsidize “free” highways instead of revenue-recuperating trains. Sure, the trains only recuperate a portion of their costs, but the highways recuperate _zero_ and are worse with generating more traffic congestion rather than reducing it. If we just beefed up transit funding we could have a very good approximation of the system you want. We just need to invest the money if we actually want it.

[@larailfan1714]

7:08 Random use of emergency horn without anyone on the yellow, very interesting.

[@tankman_tv9332]

Thats not the emergency horn thats the new electric horn Edit: I was mistaken

[@foxpresso]

What's sad is in a couple of years this station won't look so clean and shiny.

[@evanstonbalce9588]

SFO station has been around since 2003 and still looks clean and shiny

[@foxpresso]

@@evanstonbalce9588 it's also part of the airport, hence its cleanliness. I lived on that line until recently and the other stations that opened around that time (South SF, Milbrae, San Bruno) are showing their age.

[@TohaBgood2]

Message from a couple of years into the future. The station is still spotless 😀

[@michaellewis7048]

Would of been nice to see inside the train

[@JD-kf2ki]

So now people from South Bay like San Jose/ Milpitas can literally catch trains to SFO. Very happy though.

[@allanegleston4931]

congrats to bart geting this far into santa clara county. onward to san jose. most likely not in my lifetime.

[@TohaBgood2]

North San Jose is in fact San Jose. It’s not a different city. I think you mean Downtown San Jose. They’re about to start digging next year. So hang on, you might yet live long enough 😃

[@robertm.9515]

I've never understood why it's so hard to look into BART trains. Yeah, sun-prevention, but for safety's sake it would be much more useful.

[@benedettobruno1669]

Well if New Yorkers insist in wanting to keep those (awful) white tiles on the walls of their Subway stations the least they could do is take a look at these San Francisco Metro Stations and learn a couple of things about 21st Century tile design.

[@kingcoreyd40lfbuses19]

Whats the model of that new lookin bart train

[@manuelalvarado6510]

The Fleet Of The Future D/E cars are built upon the Bombardier/Alstom Movia customizable metro platform.

[@theonefromupnorth7681]

Why were some trains passing through without stopping?

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

Those were trains heading to Berryessa to enter service on the Green Line.

[@andrewlikestrains4138]

The space between the platform edge and the overhead lights is the perfect space to install platform-screen doors. It baffles me that the newer trains are curved when they could be made to accommodate PSDs instead.

[@TohaBgood2]

I dont understand this obsession with platform screen doors. The vast majority of systems choose not to install them. This is a fad originating in Japan. Only there the platform barriers are actually necessary because they have full-speed express trains sometimes running on the tracks right next to the platform. But in a regular metro what’s the point in having them? How many people actually fall onto the tracks?

[@andrewlikestrains4138]

@@TohaBgood2 They are anything but a fad. Nearly every new or modern metro system has them, not just Japan. Even in older systems, when new lines open platform screen doors are installed. I think that even one life being lost because they were run over by a train is too many.

[@TohaBgood2]

@@andrewlikestrains4138 That's not true at all. These are indeed very popular in Asia, again because of Japan's looming influence. Everyone in that region basically secretly just wants to be Japan so they copycat anything they see in Japan and try to one-up it. Hence, the fully enclosed platform screen doors vs the more Japanese platform barriers. But the vast majority of the new metro lines in the West never have platform screen doors. They're just not a thing, or not as big of a thing. I personally really dislike them in underground stations. The double enclosed space makes the stations downright claustrophobic. For an already underground place, not the best idea.

[@andrewlikestrains4138]

@@TohaBgood2 From the top of my head, I can name dozens of transit systems outside Asia that have platform screen doors retrofitted into existing lines or on newly constructed lines, such as Paris, London, Barcelona, Rome, Milan, Brescia, Copenhagen, Lausanne, Lille, Sydney, São Paulo, Santiago, etc. Other transit systems are also planning to have platform screen doors in the future too, such as Vienna’s U-Bahn, Montreal’s future REM network, and Honolulu’s future HART. Also, it’s just not true that Japanese transit systems originated platform screen doors. They were first used in St. Petersburg on their metro system, and the first train system in Asia to use platform screen doors is not in Japan: it’s the Singapore MRT.

[@starthomas3762]

Why VTA plan to build so that Bart and light rail can be together?

[@Mitchthemysteryman]

They can't run on the same tracks because the rail gauge differs. Bart runs on tracks 5'6" wide. VTA runs on 4' 8 1/2" wide. Plus, Bart cars are much wider and faster, they can't stop as easily at lights, meaning they need their own right of way.

[@mithaVT]

they also use entirely different power delivery systems.

[@jamesparson]

Are you thinking of how BART and MUNI run?

[@brianna_lynch]

If you’re thinking of how BART and Muni run, then yes that would be really cool, but if you’re talking about using the same track then that’s not possible.

[@TheCloakedTiger]

VTA and BART are together finally. Just a simple walk through Milpitas station.

[@katrellstith190]

I love the old trains

[@JimmiAlli]

Is the bart also driverless?

[@BayAreaTransitNews]

There's a driver who watches the train drive itself, and performs basic operations.

[@JimmiAlli]

Bay Area Transit News thank you!!

[@cashvault1996]

Yeah, so it’s like a hybrid operation

[@TohaBgood2]

Technically, yes. BART was designed as a fully automated system from the outset. But the union successfully blocked full automation and there needs to be at least one person on each train. They don’t really drive the train though. They just need to “approve” some of the actions manually, like closing doors tor departure. Most everything else is fully automated.

[@vincentye3869]

I just noticed the platforms don't have the black tiles which indicate where the doors line up

[@MaximilianRuehmerJunghardt]

They do look closely at the bottom of the screen at 5:13

[@celebrityrog]

You know what should be done with the old cars? They should be used for housing in homeless areas kinda like how the tuff sheds were used. Gives a lot of space, can be private and get people on their feet.

[@MicrowavedCaprisun.0]

the sound:ooooooooooooooAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaoo

[@Jesuis-qe8ql]

someone in 02/07/2020???

[@archivushka]

05/07/2020

[@Jesuis-qe8ql]

@@archivushka 10/07/2020

[@Lucrativecris]

Do they use the same propulsion as the BredasA650 in LA?

[@manuelalvarado6510]

The 2nd batch of Los Angeles County MTA's AnsaldoBreda/HRI A650 fleet uses General Electric traction motors with older gate turn off thyristor inverters while the Bay Area Rapid Transit railway's Fleet Of The Future have Bombardier's MiTrac traction motors with insulated gate bipolar transistor inverters.

[@atomstarfireproductions8695]

No, Breda A650 uses General Electric GTO inverters, while Fleet of the Future uses Bombardier MITRAC IGBT inverters

[@nicolasblume1046]

I'm still confused why they didn't build the new trains with fully open gangways. This has been standard around the world for years already and would increase capacity and passenger comfort

[@TohaBgood2]

BART goes a lot faster than regular open gangway trains usually do. They want that extra noise insulation that the doors offer. Plus, BART runs a much more varied service where they change the size of the trains a lot more than on a regular subway. Having semi-permanent couplings on all the cars would complicate fleet management quite a bit.

[@PNWElevatorAviation]

A BART Simpson Transit System!! Very Foreign looking as well!!

[@Interstate107]

The station did not had snack machines or bathrooms

[@evanstonbalce9588]

This is because people might eat and drink on station platforms or on trains which are prohibited

[@shantanujain6376]

Lol I'm waiting for some stoned dude to change B.A.R.T to F.A.R.T one day lol

[@Ilovevedios44]

Shantanu Jain haha

[@itsknight2279]

Sounds like the R142a

[@atomstarfireproductions8695]

Because Bart legacy trains have been refurbished by ADtranz/Bombardier, and a similar propulsion system was used for R142 and R143 built by Bombardier. Also, Fleet of the future trains sound like CTA 5000 and Toronto Rocket

[@robwright5940]

Are Janitors still making 300k?

[@TohaBgood2]

They never did. That was one guy who got extremely creative about his shifts and predictably he got caught. BART does pay well, but janitors make about 80k with benefits.

[@east_bay_transit_nerd]

There’s a part of me that really wants the black tiles

[@frankdenardo8261]

Station looks like Toronto.

[@atomstarfireproductions8695]

And fleet of the future trains sound like Toronto Rocket

[@frankdenardo8261]

@@atomstarfireproductions8695 bombardier built them

[@crisyorke1328]

The seats looked bad! They are going for the European sleek, uncomfortable and narrow seats!

[@TohaBgood2]

They’re great! Tried them and I prefer them to the seats in the old cars. The old seats were like and old couch with springs. These are actually nice.

[@coolcat-nq4mj]

God new american trains look so ugly 2:34

[@TohaBgood2]

These are actually Canadian/French trains manufactured by Alstom/Bombardier, lol 😂

[@jlu4697]

Train conductor wouldn't shit up she must have apologized eight times I couldn't believe it. Then the next sf train was announced after other one with a it's sf passengers just left. Alot of loud unnecessary noise Next train twenty eight minutes how about folks that are still trapped on that train let them off. Unreal but facts. Boss must be on vacation

[@metrolinxfan3005]

Bart more like fart