Who Follows The Ahlulbayt (a.s)? I Sayed Ali Crushes

On the 24th June 2018, the Bayat al Ghadeer team attended Hyde Park Speakers Corner in order to raise awareness that the day closely coincided with the anniversary of the Saudi regimes destruction of the shrines housing the Ahlulbayt (a.s) in the Al-Baqi cemetery of Madina located in present day Saudi Arabia.
Whilst there the well known Sunni apologist Adnan Rashid approached Sayed Ali and invited him to partake in a polemical dialogue similar to the respectful dialogue they had both previously had earlier during the year. Sayed Ali duly obliged and the dialogue was over which sect were the true adherents of the Ahlulbayt (a.s).
It should be pointed out that during the discussion Adnan insisted that the relationship between Imam Ali (a.s) and Muawiya was a brotherly one, Sayed Ali sought to refute this by highlighting the fact that in the Musannaf ibn Abi Shayba contained a reference wherein Imam Ali (a.s) offered a supplication (lanah) against Muwaiyah in his Fajar prayers, Adnan requested evidence that Sayed Ali did not have with him at the time, but we now attach as a scanned attachment at the end of the video. The term used was 'Allahumma Alayka Bi Muawiyah' as presented in the scan with the authentication of the narration as Sahih (Authentic).
The discussion serves as a testament that Sunni and Shia Muslims can and indeed should partake in dialogue in their differences in an atmosphere of mutual respect and atmosphere for one another. After its conclusion those listening to the dialogue from the Ahlul Sunnah Salafi movement approached the team and praised the good manners that were on display again, a code of conduct that we always strive to adhere to.
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[@siduk6005]

as a sunni I'd like to say that more of these dialogues are needed. it's good for our community as a whole, shia or sunni as a muslim its always good to see other peoples point of views.

[@yoursolosquad6283]

As a shia muslim i agree brother, sadly us all as Muslims have some agents in between both our sects that have made it their job to insult each other and cause division and create misinformation about both our sects to saw hatred.

[@musebumair675]

I saw this debate.and no one crushed no one.

[@ALI-om2re]

Hate of Imam Ali (as) is established munafiqat through traditions which everyone agrees upon , you can say potentially not all were Munafiqs but the ones who were the ‘leaders’ of lame men were established munafiqs. We have a though history.

[@Truthful5]

‏Muawiya was FITNA for Islamic Ummah he: 1) Refused to accept Khilafat of Hazrat Ali (AS) the rightfuly elected khalifa, 2) Fought battles against Hazrat Ali (AS) and was responsible for killing of many muslims, 3) Put Quran on the tip of the spears as a trick in the battle of Siffeen when he was loosing the battle, thus desecrated Quran as a battle tactics for his self protection, 4) Aamar Yasir was told by the Prophet Muhammad (SW) that he will be killed fighting against a rebellious group and was killed fighting against Muawiya in battle of Siffeen, 4) He invited Hazrat Aysha (RA) wife of the Prophet and killed burying her in a well.(Al-Tabari, Ibn-e-Khuldoon, Khilafat & Malukiat ) Abu Sufyan was the biggest enemy of Islam who constantly organized and fought battles against our Prophet Muhammad (SW). The wife of Abu Sufyan Hinda chew the lever of Hazrat Ameer Hamza (RA) in the battle of Uohad. Muawiya was son of Abu Sufyan who sowed fitna in Islam that still prevails. Yazid son of Muawiya killed mercilessly Imam Hussain and his colleagues and made the the Aal- Rasool prisoners parading them in streets and later brought them before Yazid. This is a brief history of Abu Sufyan. Before Allah the human relationship has no value but it is the character of the person that is important. As such, the wife of the Pharaoh Aasia is a sign for the momins (Chapter At-Tahrim peated thoundsVerse - 11) and wives of two prophets Hazrat Noah and Lot (علیہ السلام) are signs for the pagans (Chapter At-Tahrim Verse -10). Therefore, we must respect Sahabas based on the criterion provided by Quran. The Prophet prayed for 23 years at different places but the Muslim Ummah prays differently. While the shias and some sunnis (malkies) do not fold their arms the majority of sunnis fold their arms but at differet places. This shows how much water was added in the milk. If this is the state of affair of an action repeated so many times then what to talk about hadees. The paid munafiq Ulemas fabricated hadees honoring the munafiq characters in Islam and the same propaganda is being done today to misguide the people.

[@TheFitra]

The number one problem with human beings is they do not want to seek knowlegde by them selfs.

[@Truthful5]

@@TheFitra When the truth is overshadowed by false propaganda it is difficult to distinguish what is the truth and to establish what is the truth requires lot of efforts in such cicumtances

[@TheFitra]

@@Truthful5 your whole doctrine/religion is based on hate and slander. You are the cancer of this ummah

[@asadshah5637]

Look at what is being said, rather then who is saying it. IMAM ALI A.S

[@nazshah2079]

asad shah exactly

[@sajjadkassamali1753]

Very good discussion mashallah, learnt a lot from it. Everyone please avoid putting any of the speakers down or calling one hypocrite etc. This kind of brotherly discussion is good for everyone one and inshallah it should continue.

[@Urban_Revert]

Ali crushes Adnan, that's probably the most absurd title I've ever seen. HAHA

[@mell5501]

A wise man always has something to say, whereas a fool always needs to say something - Sayyidina Ali a.s

[@BodmonBullet]

sounds like Adnan, the guy never shuts up

[@abidabi5090]

@@BodmonBullet haha he opened up ur lies hypocrisy that is y u have to tell this comeforwaed accept truth

[@BodmonBullet]

@@abidabi5090 you just dont understand what's going on habibi

[@abidabi5090]

@@BodmonBullet 🤣🤣 yes u know by following killers of karball any of ur scholars from Medina hahah

[@BodmonBullet]

@@abidabi5090 Back to school pal, learn how to formulate a sentence with proper spelling, vocabulary and grammar. Talks enough about you and your beliefs buddy.

[@unkown9308]

Great Discussion hope we can see more in the future inshallah

[@amranxtv3261]

When he said that the one who fought Imam Ali (a.) can be a MU’MIN it was done for me.

[@basitkhan25]

Have you ever done with nahjul balagha were imam Ali saying the same as adnan bhai said ?

[@whyiamashia9497]

@@basitkhan25 we do not believe all of nahjul balagha is 100% true.

[@soothingandmediating5426]

@@whyiamashia9497 u just believe what suits u😂

[@Hezbollah313]

@@soothingandmediating5426 only what is true and deduced by Hadith

[@beyinvebeden6527]

The same way u believe in sahih bukhari😂​@@soothingandmediating5426

[@Anony_mous5001]

I'm Sunni and from a Sunni family, I only turn to the Quran and the Sahih hadith of the Sunni books and other Sunni books that are reliable. I have never read Shia books and I've never really needed to. I know that the majority of what the Shia say is confirmed in our hadith. This man who said that the wives are primarily the Ahlul Bayt is wrong in his understanding, there is no denying that they are the Ahlul Bayt but not in the way the Prophet's bloodline is, hadith confirms this from Muslim. Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited. حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَكَّارِ بْنِ الرَّيَّانِ، حَدَّثَنَا حَسَّانُ، - يَعْنِي ابْنَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ - عَنْ سَعِيدٍ، - وَهُوَ ابْنُ مَسْرُوقٍ - عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ حَيَّانَ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَرْقَمَ، قَالَ دَخَلْنَا عَلَيْهِ فَقُلْنَا لَهُ لَقَدْ رَأَيْتَ خَيْرًا ‏.‏ لَقَدْ صَاحَبْتَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَصَلَّيْتَ خَلْفَهُ ‏.‏ وَسَاقَ الْحَدِيثَ بِنَحْوِ حَدِيثِ أَبِي حَيَّانَ غَيْرَ أَنَّهُ قَالَ ‏ "‏ أَلاَ وَإِنِّي تَارِكٌ فِيكُمْ ثَقَلَيْنِ أَحَدُهُمَا كِتَابُ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ هُوَ حَبْلُ اللَّهِ مَنِ اتَّبَعَهُ كَانَ عَلَى الْهُدَى وَمَنْ تَرَكَهُ كَانَ عَلَى ضَلاَلَةٍ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَفِيهِ فَقُلْنَا مَنْ أَهْلُ بَيْتِهِ نِسَاؤُهُ قَالَ لاَ وَايْمُ اللَّهِ إِنَّ الْمَرْأَةَ تَكُونُ مَعَ الرَّجُلِ الْعَصْرَ مِنَ الدَّهْرِ ثُمَّ يُطَلِّقُهَا فَتَرْجِعُ إِلَى أَبِيهَا وَقَوْمِهَا أَهْلُ بَيْتِهِ أَصْلُهُ وَعَصَبَتُهُ الَّذِينَ حُرِمُوا الصَّدَقَةَ بَعْدَهُ ‏.‏ Reference: Sahih Muslim 2408 d In-book reference: Book 44, Hadith 58 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 31, Hadith 5923

[@dominancepreserved8749]

You there?

[@Anony_mous5001]

@@dominancepreserved8749 ?

[@Anony_mous5001]

So what if Maula Ali hadn't called them munafiq, what should be more important is what the Prophet said about the people who stand against him, that they are his enemies and are munafiq.

[@nazshah2079]

Mashallah Bawa Ali Shah did a great job but respect to Adnan as well.

[@angryshirts]

The biggest tragedy of the muslim ummah has been that they have treated qatil and maqtool as same Oppressor and oppressed are same. Hypocrisy which is prevalent in Sunni world. They are not even unanimous on cursing Yazeed. For them khariji/nawasibi are wrong but we will take hadith from them.

[@thetwelvers3202]

Adnan needs to understand that in the english definition of 'curse' it is to invoke a supernatural being to punish someone. This is exactly Imam ali does in the hadith. Just because it does not say "la'n" does not mean it is not cursing.

[@BayatAlGhadeer]

The Twelvers اللَّهُمَّ *عَلَيْكَ* بِقُرَيْشٍ، اللَّهُمَّ *عَلَيْكَ* بِقُرَيْشٍ، اللَّهُمَّ عَلَيْكَ بِقُرَيْشٍ "O Allah! Destroy (the pagans of) Quraish; O Allah! Destroy Quraish; O Allah Destroy Quraish," naming especially Abu Jahl. sunnah.com/bukhari/56/147

[@thetwelvers3202]

Subhanallah! Great work brothers.

[@BostonFenian]

Exactly, in some ways "Allahumma 'alayka" is even more serious than "la'anatullah 'alayhu"

[@goldenhawk786]

Very good point @ the Twelvers. Jazak Allah

[@Shahrukh.Rizvi110]

Jevae Ali Imaam

[@hassanal-hakim6389]

Great to see a peaceful discussion Well done guys

[@amiriashor5951]

I came from a sunni backround but know i belief in Ahlulbayt shia and LOVE the holy 5 pakpanjatan also come on talk about the Abzad of the quran it relates to the prophet his family so the world was created for them for us to understand, the sunni will never there are follwing the wrong concept...

[@alishaimran424]

Which fiqh did you follow when you were sunni?

[@amiriashor5951]

@@alishaimran424 its not about which fiqh i followed its finding the Truth why should follow the oppressors...

[@dominancepreserved8749]

@@amiriashor5951 Mashaa'Allah bro stay blessed in wilayah of Imam Amir-ul-Momineen Ali Ibn Abi Taalib (as)

[@dominancepreserved8749]

@@alishaimran424 you came again here? Wish to get refuted here as well?

[@ngoshtar.E.beenaazeer]

For me ghadeer is enough

[@blacksupermanrsa]

Brother Please, Next time you have a discussion with Uncle Adnan, TIME IT .... its frustrating when he starts preaching on and on and on....

[@shakirbaba1707]

Truth hurts, and frustration comes, he has knowledge he will preach what do you know

[@ghossain2070]

Bayat al Ghadeer team. We need to have more such discussions. There is no point just talking the truth of what really happened and the truth of Ahlul Bayt among each other, only within Shias. You guys must take the message of Ahlul bayt to the world. Otherwise you guys are depriving the billions of muslims from the truth, which god had endowed upon you guys, and Allah will ask you guys, why did you not bring the truth of Ahlul Bayts as Imams for all Muslims until day of judgment to the people and why did you keep the knowledge only to yourselves. Especially being Sayyids, there is a stern responsibility on you guys to bring the truth of Ahlul bayt and their guidance, which shows the true path of Islam of freedom, mercy, truth, love to another level to the one that exists among the most prevalent form of Islam worldwide, the incomplete form called Sunnism. Allah gave you guys the honor of being a Sayyid, now fulfill your responsibility, take the message of truth to people. Do not just keep it to yourself. Interact with all people, all muslims of all creed. Do not deprive them of the truth of Ahlul bayt, and truth of Allah, and truth of Islam.

[@fasulia67]

As soon as I saw the lawn chairs I lost it 😂

[@oomarbudaly2999]

Later on in the discussion, Adnan discusses Mutah Nikka with Raza, literally spent an hour on this topic, Adnan attacks secondary issues within Shia islam, like he says "Lets get to the crux of the matter", but yeh, really fun and insightful discussion. Like to add that the Bayat Al Ghadeer team at speakers corner were really friendly and easy to talk to. Mashallah. Can't wait to listen and hopefully take part in more discussions!

[@oomarbudaly2999]

point was discussion was about ahul bayt next thing you know there's a hour long discussion on mutah, Adnan and Raza went on a huge tangent didn't get to the root of the issue until later

[@oomarbudaly2999]

I think then in general, we shouldn't necessarisly challenge secondary issues with shia or sunni, where do we get our teachings from, interpretations of the quran and hadiths. Once we tackle that issue, Ahul Bayt or Sunnah or both then it's ok to tackle secondary issues we must know the root foundation that creates the difference between sunni and shia. That was the point I was tryna make with the Mutah. Sorry I was mistaken who brought up Mutah

[@oomarbudaly2999]

its been a long week

[@abidabi5090]

Shia hypocrisy got tight slap at 30.10

[@mhk3491]

Syed Ali is a gem . He should come to the park and give dawah to Sunnis

[@See773]

Hadith "حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعٌ، وَأَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، ح وَحَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ يَحْيَى، - وَاللَّفْظُ لَهُ - أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ عَدِيِّ بْنِ ثَابِتٍ، عَنْ زِرٍّ، قَالَ قَالَ عَلِيٌّ وَالَّذِي فَلَقَ الْحَبَّةَ وَبَرَأَ النَّسَمَةَ إِنَّهُ لَعَهْدُ النَّبِيِّ الأُمِّيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِلَىَّ أَنْ لاَ يُحِبَّنِي إِلاَّ مُؤْمِنٌ وَلاَ يُبْغِضَنِي إِلاَّ مُنَافِقٌ ‏.‏" Zirr reported: 'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Messenger (ﷺ) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me. Sahih Sahih Muslim, 78 In-Book Reference: Book 1, Hadith 146 USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 1, Hadith 141 (deprecated numbering scheme) 𝗛𝗢𝗪 𝗠𝗨𝗖𝗛 𝗠𝗢𝗥𝗘 𝗙𝗜𝗚𝗛𝗧𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗜𝗠𝗔𝗠 𝗔𝗟𝗜 𝗖𝗔𝗨𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗟𝗢𝗦𝗧 𝗢𝗙 𝗠𝗔𝗡𝗬 𝗠𝗨𝗦𝗟𝗜𝗠𝗦 𝗟𝗜𝗩𝗘𝗦?

[@MrGiggidy90]

well done shia brothers, you did us proud

[@SNIPERS327]

Lol

[@07sawyerr]

HILARIOUS presentation! well done mashallah

[@TheDarkleopard]

Adnan does not know that debating a Shia is not same as debating Christians. Adnan contradicted himself and denied every word of logical truth. he debated as any other sunni, nothing special with his academic level. he replied with lame excuses thats it. like come on even authentic hadith from reliable sources written in english is wrong cause its not in arabic. Lame!!!

[@kazm9669]

Scripture was written in Arabic hence its truth is in Arabic. Translation is never 100%. That’s a fact.

[@syedmuhammadzaki6291]

MashaAllah brothers . Keep it up. And best wishes from pakistan may Allah give you ajar-e-azeem b haq hussain a.s

[@alishaimran424]

Brother Adnan is very intelligent and clearly knows his sources

[@dominancepreserved8749]

Also, he's trying to interpret the Holy verses of the Holy Qur'an by his own opinions. But NO ONE has the right to interpret the verses of the Holy Qur'an as per their own opinions we always need to revert towards the Holy Ahlulbayt (as) to seek the interpretation just as Allah (swt) said, He is the One Who Revealed the Book unto you; from it are Decisive Verses - these are the Mother of the Book; and others are Allegorical. Then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity, so they are following what is allegorical from it, seeking the Fitna and seeking its (personal) interpretation. *And none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in the Knowledge.* They are saying, ‘We believe in it. It is all from the Presence of our Lord’. And none (would) mention except those with the understanding [3:7] Here "those who are firmly rooted in the knowledge" refers to none other than the Holy Ahlulbayt (as) and after all that makes sense because the Holy Prophet (s) left them keeping them a weighty thing alongside the Holy Qur'an and commanded the peole to hold upon them so we don't go astray and the Holy Prophet (s) said, they both won't seperate until they meet me at the fountain of kawther and we can crystal clear see that at first place in the verse Allah (swt) highly condemned the ones who interpret the Holy Qur'an by their own opinionsAlso, there's a renowned hadith in sunni books itself in which the Holy Prophet (s) said, "Ali is with the Qur'an and Qur'an os with Ali". So due to Imam Ali (as) being the rightful successor of the Holy Prophet (s), he inherited the Holy Prophet (s) in each and every single thing except for Prophethood i.e knowledge, weapons etc etc. When i say knowledge, i mean like literally transferring from one computer to another. And that's how the Divinely Appointed authorities inherit. Dear brother/sister, please feel free to ask any questions further. May Allah (swt) bless you during the blessed month of ramadhan.

[@dominancepreserved8749]

My previous two comments didn't approve where i posted hadith from sunni books which clearly says the wives aren't the part of the Holy Ahlulbayt (as) unfortunately it didn't approve only the reply above approved

[@alishaimran424]

@@dominancepreserved8749 Allah didn't say only AhlulBayt can interpret the Quran, Allah said those with knowledge, I could say it means Sahaba. My evidence for this is the fact Allah says to follow Muhajireen and Ansar in the Quran but doesn't say follow AhlulBayt. Surah Tawbah (9) verse 100, "And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who FOLLOWED THEM with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment." Allah in multiple places in the Quran praises the Sahaba and promises them paradise. Allah says right after the verse talking about ansars and muhajireen that the muslims will say "And [there is a share for] those who came after them, saying, "Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts [any] resentment toward those who have believed. Our Lord, indeed You are Kind and Merciful."" in 59:10. In 57:10 once again Allah praises Muhajireen and ansar "And why do you not spend in the cause of Allah while to Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth? Not equal among you are those who spent before the conquest [of Makkah] and fought [and those who did so after it]. Those are greater in degree than they who spent afterwards and fought. But to all Allah has promised the best [reward]. And Allah , with what you do, is Acquainted". In 48:18 "Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they pledged allegiance to you ˹O Prophet˺ under the tree. He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down serenity upon them and rewarded them with a victory at hand." Abu Bakr (RA) was present as was Umar (RA) and Uthman (RA). Allah is with Abu Bakr (RA) in 9:40 "˹It does not matter˺ if you ˹believers˺ do not support him, for Allah did in fact support him when the disbelievers drove him out ˹of Mecca˺ and he was only one of two. While they both were in the cave, he reassured his companion, “Do not worry; Allah is certainly with us.” So Allah sent down His serenity upon the Prophet, supported him with forces you ˹believers˺ did not see, and made the word of the disbelievers lowest, while the Word of Allah is supreme. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise." EVERYONE knows it was Abu Bakr in the cave with Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

[@alishaimran424]

@@dominancepreserved8749 His (SAW) wives are AhlulBayt, because the Quran says so in Surah Ahzab (33) verses 32-33. "O wives of the Prophet, you are not like anyone among women. If you fear Allah, then do not be soft in speech [to men], lest he in whose heart is disease should covet, but speak with appropriate speech. And reside in your homes, and do not flaunt your finery as was the flaunting of finery in the earliest (times) of Ignorance, and keep up the prayer, and bring the Zakat, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Surely Allah wills only to put away indeed from you abomination, People of the Home"(THE ONLY PLACE IN THE QURAN WHERE THE WORDS AHLUL BAYT ARE USED), "and to purify you a thorough purification".

[@alishaimran424]

@@dominancepreserved8749 I recommend you check out Sunnah Discourse, they are a great youtube channel that cover topics like this

[@hali8580]

I'm sorry but if you think this is a crushing then you must have very weak mind. I wouldn't even amount this to the crushing of a boiled pea.

[@Anony_mous5001]

I've just realised I've clicked on an old video but I have to say I hate the crowds around you, this can be intimidating also I don't like the general arrogance from the Sunnis in such discussions, be humble, I'm Sunni but I hate this 'holier than thou' attitude. I love the Shia because they love the Ahlul Bayt, everything else they may say or do is minor in comparison. Our deen is connected to the Ahlul Bayt not any of the Sahaba.

[@user-kv6qo8xv6k]

Good points raised by Shia brother. However ,the problem with the discussion was that adnan did not allow the brother to speak many times. He just tried to speak only and only.

[@Abidkhan-fe3uk]

Shia got battered

[@faisalishak3144]

The furthest thing from crushing Adnan, syed Ali was reaching with this title. Syed Ali is too excited, sorry bro but you lost...

[@thetwelvers3202]

Sorry brother and sisters just wanted to make a comment about temporary marriage which was not discussed in this video but was discussed afterwards with Adnan and Reza. I had to comment here bc the sunni dawah channels are hiding my comments. Bayat al Ghadeer let me know what you think of this argument: I want everyone to ponder over this. Many of us will think that a 10 minute temporary marriage is immoral and wrong. Let me describe something else to you. In islam, it is permissible after a war, to have sex with the legally acquired 'slaves' (wives of the enemy) without marriage btw so no rules needed ie witnesses and mahr and no wali this can be 5 or 10 minutes and you don't need the slave permission to have sex, and then the owner of the slave can sell the slave to someone else. Does this sound moral? Maybe not to some, but theoretically Islam permits it. Likewise with mut'a. All i'm trying to say is that the discussion shouldn't be whether mut'a is moral or not, bc you would have a hard time justifying sex with female captives. The discussion should be whether it is in the quran, and abrogated by the prophet.

[@aybb1965]

The Twelvers There is no forced sex in islam. How can you say someone can phsyically force a slave to have sex whithout her consent?

[@thetwelvers3202]

Brother I know this sounds pretty immoral, and If you are not capable in handing this sort of information, then please just ignore this. It is a very sensitive issue. But no scholar has ever said that consent of the slave is needed when the master wants to have intercourse with her. If you disagree, the I challenge you to bring one authentic hadith which says that the consent of a slave is needed.

[@kazm9669]

The twelvers. Woah woah woah. Islam does not allow rape. What are you talking about, this frustrates me that many Muslims read the Quran without tafsir. If you really believe Islam allows rape you need to re-evaluate Islam. You would follow a religion that it’s god allows rape to its human creation?. But thankfully Islam does not allow rape. Read the tafsir and there are videos refuting your vile claim.

[@thetwelvers3202]

Can you give me one scholar or authentic hadith that says consent of a slave is needed? Yes i would say that practically having sex without consent is not allowed bc it would harm the slave. But the penalty of this person would be for harming the slave and not raping. Its not me that says this. www.askthesheikh.com/what-constitutes-rape-in-islam-what-is-the-punishment-and-how-is-it-proven/ the sheikh here basically says marital rape does not exist.

[@thetwelvers3202]

Besides the ad hominems (which only desperate people who have no real arguments do), can you bring me one scholar or one authentic hadith that says consent of a slave is needed. Rape outside of marriage and outside of ones slaves does exist and the punishment for that is death. But there is no such thing as marital rape and at the time of the prophet and imams, consent of the slaves to have sex with them was not needed. Here is a sheikh who even says marital rape does not exist. www.askthesheikh.com/what-constitutes-rape-in-islam-what-is-the-punishment-and-how-is-it-proven/

[@AshrafAli-yq8zb]

Adnan manipulate the interpretation of Ahadees of their own books to argue at different points. Syed has shown all Ahadees from sunni books.

[@AshrafAli-yq8zb]

Hahahaa, u r another ignorant...

[@AshrafAli-yq8zb]

Tradition of Ummul Momineen Umm Salma: She said: ‘I and the Messenger of Allah (S) were upon the bed and under the cloak of Khyber when Fatima (s.a) came with Hasan and Husain (a.s). The Holy Prophet (S) said: ‘Where is your cousin(Ali)?’ she said, ‘at home’. He said: ‘call him’, she called him. Then he took all of them under the cloak and raised up his hands (in prayer) saying: ‘O Allah these are my Ahlul bayt (a.s). So remove from them the impurity and purify them a thorough purification.’ I was sitting opposite the Messenger of Allah (S). I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah (S), may my parents be sacrificed upon you, and what about me?’ He replied, ‘You have a good future.’ And the Verse descended, ‘Allah only desires to ...’. It concerned the Prophet (S), Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Husain (a.s).

[@AshrafAli-yq8zb]

Tafseer of Furat bin Ibrahim Al Kufi, page 21

[@dextermorgan750]

de how did the Shi’a manipulate the Quran? If the wives were included in that verse, then why did ayesha herself claim to make the biggest mistake of her life and becoming a rafidha by waging a war against Imam Ali(as); AFTER this verse was revealed?

[@UrDaddy4Real]

Syed Ali is decent. But 'crushing' Adnan is an overstatement. Adnan is relaxed & laid back. While Ali is cautious & anxious. Clearly not a body language of a crushing winner.

[@yusufbest4475]

You are biased. Adnan was laidback because he was putting on a show while Ali was cautious as a muslim is self aware of own weaknesses. Even Nabi Musa a.s ask for help from Allah s.w.t. to ease him in speech.

[@KhadeejahloveMeditation]

Title is misleading. Great debate from both sides!

[@montanashah2443]

Geo geo syed ali imam shah ALI MOLA ☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽

[@montanashah2443]

Knight_rider 1. family of the Prophet Muhammad 2.According to most authentic traditions in collections of both Sunni and Shi’a, Ahlul-Bayt (People of the House) of the Prophet are one of the two most precious Symbols of Islam after the departure of the Prophet (S). There are numerous traditions in the collection of both schools that the Prophet (S) has reminded us to stick to these two weighty things (al-Thaqalain), namely Qur’an and Ahlul-Bayt, in order not to go astray after him. The Messenger of Allah also informed us that these two weights are non-separable and are with each other till the day of Judgment. This requires us that for understanding the interpretation of Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (S) we should refer to those who are attached to it, namely Ahlul-Bayt 3. Spreading the message of the real Islam 4. Lazy we’re the first 3 who u follow who run from the battles who miss guided you go learn they history an wat they were enemy’s of the prophet of Allah an I got time for jahil people like you waste of space

[@MuhammadAli-bo8nu]

adnan rashid is by no means a salafi. taqya driven title.

[@RevisitingTheSalaf]

Are you for real? On many occasions he has said it.

[@thehonestdude1067]

He has said he is

[@mustafakarbalae2994]

I think all subjects were relevant to the debate , but ultimately it was a case for whose narrations are more reliable , taking narrations from Nasabi's , Hypocrites and people who were both cursed and praised by the Imam's (AS) .

[@shorabhossain257]

Brother Adnan Rashid ❤️

[@pakman3740]

Who he keeps winknig at lol....

[@AbrarManzoor]

Muslims should unite on Tawheed as Allah says in Quran to Ahlul kitab that come to common terms that we worship only Allah

[@tsgillespiejr]

Ibn Hajar did jack squat to clear `Ikrimah's name. Check Shaykh Atabek's newest article on his blog. "Dismantles it" pfft.

[@Moostee90hotmail]

I think that the first thing that needs to be discussed and agreed upon is: "How do we know who the ahlul bayt even are?" Brother Adnan seems to base his analysis entirely on the Qur'an. I suppose that when you follow a school which has its second caliph famously declare "the Qur'an alone is sufficient for us" - this rhetoric is acceptable. To know who the ahlul bayt are - it requires an honest look at the Hadith literature. Hadith e kisa is found in both sunni and Shia literature. There is absolutely no doubt that ahlul bayt refers to the 5. Even according to the Sunni sources one of the wives asked if she could be under the kisa and the prophet refused telling her that she is deemed to good. How is it possible that the wives of the prophet can be included when 66:1-5 of the Qur'an is threatening two wives of the prophet with divorce? Further than that - if Ali (as) and Ayesha were both ahlul bayt who were left behind by the prophet saww as the second weight for us to follow alongside the Qur'an, what were the Muslims to do during the battle of Jamal? The second weight which is inseparable from the Qur'an went head to head in the battlefield. Really?!

[@amiriashor5951]

Who is bukhari try to understand he was payed and told to write these Hadith in the reign of tyranny also how becomes he knows all the Hadith he came after few hundreds year after Prophet S.A.w passed away...

[@shakirbaba1707]

Née scholor here

[@mezsocrates4379]

We are humans and humans are filled with flaws. So don't talk about who is better and who is wrong.

[@sayedsaleemullahshah2712]

We sindhis praise somebody by saying "sain" mean means master, greater so I say sain syed Ali why didn't you quote the hadith before him while you were there for more than enough by putting this in the end of video it shows you can't defend your claim, by the way may Allah bless every Muslim guidance to the right the path.

[@Shah_007_01]

🦅

[@Mahdi-sx4ql]

Just for the sake of disagreeing with a shia, Adnan says the most silly things possible. No matter how crazy it sounds he makes the silliest childish claims just to project himself as intelligent person . For instance even very simple things like definitions of words. You tell him the meaning of a word, he boldly disagrees and tells a synonym of that word instead wtf. He did it many times in this video and his other debate with Raza. This only tricks only works on his naive lay followers though. He uses a bunch of these little tricks to score little points and seem smarter and winner at the end. There is many other tricks that this hypocrite plays.

[@smilesmile6309]

There is no coast on crying u r most welcome to do so. lol

[@ghossain2070]

If Adnan Rashid loves Ahlul bayt then he must first accept the caliphate and Imamat of Imam Ali ra above all the other Khalifai Rashidoon. Because there is no doubt about what was said at Ghadir Khumm. Secondly defend Fatima Zahra ra for fadak and the incident of the burning of her house. Thirdly accept that Jamal was a mistake against Imam Ali ra. Fourthly, a true test of his intentions, if Muawiyah was truly a muslim, then why did Imam Ali ra battle Muawiyah at Siffin. In another word, let's see what he says regarding the assessments of Imam Ali ra, was Imam Ali ra right to ask for baiyah from Muawiyah, and why did Muawiyah not give baiyah. Who is right, Imam Ali or Muawiyah, one of the two has to be a munafiq, let's see whom he chooses. Is it Imam Ali ra or Muawiyah (the answer is obvious). And then stop saying ra after the name of the munafiq (the answer is also obvious here). And lastly who were responsible for poisoning of Imam Hussain ra, and who were responsible for what happened to Imam Hussain at Karbala (Let's see if he agains says people of Kufa). Adnan is otherwise a good person, but when it comes to history of the Ahlul Bayt, he intentionally disregards all evidence that does not support his view. He follows cleverness rather than pursuit of truth.

[@shakirbaba1707]

New scholor, you only know fadak, Ghadeer e khum

[@abuhaidaralakhbari]

Lol the bakri claiming يسب isnt cursing , this word literally means to curse at someone

[@Taqi142]

Prophet Muhammad saww is obviously higher in Authority as he is Prophet of Allah and when he saww said Hadith relating to fighting against Ali (Momin and Munfiq) then what's the point of trying to finding Muawiyah being cursed by Imam Ali? Adnan said We don't take the Hadith from Munafiqoon then Those who fought against Imam Ali who are they according to above mentioned Hadith of Prophet saww? O Ali only Munfiq will make enmity against you and Momin will love you, these Hadith are well known in Sunni school termed sahih

[@alishaimran424]

Came from Sunnah Discourse

[@dominancepreserved8749]

No rather say came here from that coward channel who deletes comments and blocks knowledgeable shias after brutally bring refuted.

[@letsthink5880]

In short, Adnan Rashid doesnt have the knowledge of his own books, let alone the Shia literature. And he wanted to debate Ammar Nakshawani!! What a shame

[@yourmomshouse8993]

Sayed Ammar versus him is like Jordan playing a high school kid.

[@PT-kk8dp]

Guys, I'm a so called Sunni but I support you 100%. The shia are much more articulate, moderate and logical. Keep it up. The sunnis are hotheaded and unfortunately represented by wahabi salafi types and essentially link back to Saudi funding when it comes to street movements. They are a rabble and talk past each other in that park. It's embarrassing when they claim they are debating. They need serious PR training and need to listen. Moreover, Iran and shias are not under the finger of western colonial hegemons (and main ones in the crosshairs of West) but Sunnis are in bed with western masters re:Syria and even Palestine. Adnan himself peddles the mainstream western narrative of "Assad must go" so all that islamic knowledge still renders him as being bedfellows with West and worse, Israel especially as destroying Syria was Oded Yinon Plan. Just look at Sunni client vassal nations acting as petrol stations for West as own people suffer and Iran under Sanction. The Sunnis even side with Israel on this issue. Know them by their fruits, therefore sunnis are part of the globalist zio-western alliance. You can see a pattern here as only those on the right path are persecuted in geopolitics as others choose to act as chaiwallahs for the modern day colonial powers and were even carved by them, via Sykes Picot unlike Iran.

[@OMOMOMOMOM190]

taffy417 taffy417 oh yes yes it is very clear that you are sunni :D (sarcasm)... oh did you know im a so called shia rafidha but i support sunnis 100% in their refutation of my corrupt twelver religion, which i am a member of :)

[@habdikareem950]

Oad1993 loooool 🤣

[@habdikareem950]

U lot are full of taqiya if u say we are hot headed it’s because of your taqiyas u son of a mutah we know behind close doors u beat ur selves up bloody and curse Ayesha and the companions of our prophet pbuh such as Abu Bakr and umar bin khattab ra and u lot also think Ali ra is better then the other prophets 🤣🤪🤣

[@danialshah2957]

Im also shia, firstly thank you for having a brain and actually thinkinh about who are the real enemies and not falling under propaganda. But Iran is also a part of the Zio-western alliance. Infact, every country is. Iran and hezbollah are just playing an act when they say that they are against israel and saudi. Iran's leaders are friends with Saudi leaders. Iran plays double games. Let me tell you even Assad is a zionist. Let me repeat, he also just pretends to be against the zio-western alliance in the media circus when he isnt. This is all just a big game. Do not trust any one.

[@aaaaaaa1]

Adnan made a bad career decision because his traits and characteristics are so much more suitable for a Pakistani polititian rather than Ustadh.

[@bayat786]

Jazak Allah Bayat Al Ghadeer, Adnan is cunning & deceitful, he escapes from the crux of a matter in debates by playing with words and being dramatic not accepting his own scholars..he always talks more than 70% Bayat al Ghadeer brothers next time don't let him use these tricks.

[@ghalibahmed6676]

18:25 what Adnan is trying to say here is that it is illogical to say that numbers matter, otherwise Musa would have been superior to Prophet Muhammad (saw) because Musa is mentioned more in the Qur’an, and it could also mean that just because the most popular religion in the world is Christianity, it means Christianity is the right religion. It could also mean that Imam Hussain (as’) was wrong because he only had 72 on his side and the opposition was comprised of 30,000 people. Numbers are irrelevant. Stand up for the truth even if you stand alone. Judge the truth first and then look at the quantity

[@binyamina8850]

The prophet is mentioned in the quran more than Musa yaa donkey. Important things have to be repeated more and more and more. The problem is you don't read the Quran

[@ghalibahmed6676]

Binyamin A habibi Musa is mentioned 124 times in the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad is mentioned only 4 times. So according to your logic, Musa is more important than Prophet Muhammad

[@binyamina8850]

@@ghalibahmed6676 Go back to the Quran and read again, the prophet is mentioned in his title ya rasuloollah more than anyone except Allah. And this is from the truth and not your small mind.

[@binyamina8850]

@@ghalibahmed6676 ءَامَنَ ٱلرَّسُولُ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيۡهِ مِن رَّبِّهِۦ وَٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَۚ كُلٌّ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَمَلَٰٓئِكَتِهِۦ وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَرُسُلِهِۦ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيۡنَ أَحَدٖ مِّن رُّسُلِهِۦۚ وَقَالُواْ سَمِعۡنَا وَأَطَعۡنَاۖ غُفۡرَانَكَ رَبَّنَا وَإِلَيۡكَ ٱلۡمَصِيرُ The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination." -Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 285 يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزۡوَٰجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ يُدۡنِينَ عَلَيۡهِنَّ مِن جَلَٰبِيبِهِنَّۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن يُعۡرَفۡنَ فَلَا يُؤۡذَيۡنَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورٗا رَّحِيمٗا O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. -Sura Al-Ahzab, Ayah 59 ٱلنَّبِيُّ أَوۡلَىٰ بِٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ مِنۡ أَنفُسِهِمۡۖ وَأَزۡوَٰجُهُۥٓ أُمَّهَٰتُهُمۡۗ وَأُوْلُواْ ٱلۡأَرۡحَامِ بَعۡضُهُمۡ أَوۡلَىٰ بِبَعۡضٖ فِي كِتَٰبِ ٱللَّهِ مِنَ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ وَٱلۡمُهَٰجِرِينَ إِلَّآ أَن تَفۡعَلُوٓاْ إِلَىٰٓ أَوۡلِيَآئِكُم مَّعۡرُوفٗاۚ كَانَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي ٱلۡكِتَٰبِ مَسۡطُورٗا The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves, and his wives are [in the position of] their mothers. And those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah than the [other] believers and the emigrants, except that you may do to your close associates a kindness [through bequest]. That was in the Book inscribed. -Sura Al-Ahzab, Ayah 6

[@ghalibahmed6676]

Binyamin A I’m talking about his name. The 12 Imams are mentioned in their title as “Ulil Amr” in Surah An-Nisah verse 59, but obviously you don’t accept that and you demand names when it comes to our 12 Imams, but you accept that a verse is talking about Prophet Muhammad when the verse says “messenger of Allah”. This is pure ignorance and hypocrisy. Out of all 124,000 messengers of Allah, how do you know that these verses are talking about Prophet Muhammad (s)? You also agree that we must believe in 124,000 Prophets of Allah, but the Qur’an does not say that Allah had 124,000 Prophets. Care to explain? Please respond to BOTH points if you’re not afraid of the truth

[@ItsJbonebiiatch]

Adnan looks Bollywood AF!

[@PT-kk8dp]

lol Adnan now using the New Testament re: Jesus failing to say something (which he refutes as a reliably transmitted source for christians) to prove his own sectarian bias. Plonker. Nevertheless good to see him trying to match your composure instead of ranting and not allowing a word in edgeways before you even finish your point as is his usual want to do so with others (You should watch his videos when he lectures fellow muslims and he essentially says "Hello, eh arai bhai are you listening, hello?" comical and quite rude which you won't see him saying to non-muslim audiences talking like a lecturer. Subconsciously he adapts his level of civility.

[@ahmedw5]

*"The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their (believers') mothers. And blood relations among each other have closer personal ties in the Decree of Allah"* Surah 33:6 So when Allah calls the Prophets wives our "Mothers" its only meaning is that we cant marry them? Has Sayyed Ali ever read the entire Surah? Did he forget that there already exists an ayah in this Surah that explicitly forbids the believers to marry them? *"And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah's Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (his death). Verily! With Allah that shall be an enormity"* Surah 33:53 So clearly verse 6 is about the status of the Prophet and his wives. The verse starts with mentioninh the Prophets rights on us. *"The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves,"* Surah 33:6 The verse mentions that the Prophet has more right on us then our own selves. Then it goes on to mention the wives rights: *"and his wives are their (believers') mothers"* I.e the wives status is similar to a mothers status over you. You must respect them and love them like your own mothers. Sayyid Ali uses a very weak argument and says that because the wives wear hijab infront of the Sahaba that they cant be like their mothers. Does Sayyid Ali not know that the verse also mentions that the Prophet has more right to us than out own selves? If we use Sayyid Alis logic here then must mean that the verse must imply that the prophet has the right to our inheritance? Since he has more right to us than our own selves? CLEARLY the verse is talking about status, not legal rulings like hijab or inheritence.

[@atifrashid2338]

Adnan has put weight on.

[@hhussain9293]

Shia's are lost