Bayern Munich 1-0 Arsenal Reaction | Arsecast Extra

In this one part episode (without Qs in part 2), we look back at Arsenal's Champions League exit, going down 1-0 to Bayern Munich last night.
Once again, the second half was below par and we paid the price. We examine the reasons as to why that has been an issue in our last two games, and what Mikel Arteta can do about it in terms of his squad building going forward. There's chat about fatigue and heavy legs, the players we brought on from the bench and the players who stayed on it, what we can learn from this European campaign, how this collective probably needs a smattering of individualism for big games like last night, the striker discussion, and lots more.
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[@PakluPapito]

When James said 'Alexis Sanchez' - This is exactly what I was thinking since ten minutes ago - Alexis Sanchez, Andrei Arshavin, you need a few of these game changers in your squad - they won't track back to protect the full back - but they also are individualistic, don't care a lot about systems, have a healthy disregard for what the gaffer says - you need a few of these in your squad that come alive when the chips are down

[@tropicaltrev1617]

Considering where we were just a couple of seasons ago I’m happy with the progression even if we don’t win anything this season. I for one have enjoyed most of what the team has done this season and appreciate the effort. COYG!

[@adventurerwannabe]

Maybe in 20 more years we can win something of note

[@NayNay-hw6im]

One of the more sensible comments which is always nice to see. We used to get stuffed by Bayern so I think the result and performance wasn't bad at all. Overall this season I'm really happy so far, players have given it everything they have and that's all you can ask, still think we lack quality in depth to play 3 games every week though

[@adventurerwannabe]

@@NayNay-hw6im you would think we are talking about Brighton or West Ham reading to this type of stuff

[@The_Ndegwa]

@@adventurerwannabeyessir afew more years of the process and being Christmas champions

[@hawkwind77]

Best podcast on any format

[@TheArsenal123456]

It wasn't a bad performance, I feel like we lacked a bit of 'magic', something I hope we gain next season.

[@hughzarie1860]

Our forward line needs a complete revamp imho.

[@Coopdegras]

Fuck one in from 40 yards 😂

[@lombechalungumana5438]

Saka is really pants at the beginning and end, he takes 2-3 chances to score, he has created a style that’s predictable similar to Pepe and look what happened to him

[@bigtingman3910]

Pre match press conference Tuchel basically broke down how we were going to set up/play… low and behold he got it spot on. Unai Emery didn’t have to tactically change anything against us to beat us at home. Arteta’s lack of trust in certain players and inability to change is blatantly holding us back and has done for the third season in a row. Good young manager but questions have to be asked about our April collapses.

[@AJAddy]

I agree. Usually, by April, opposing managers have seen enough of your games to figure you out. Arteta has very few “wrinkles” or “tricks up his sleeve” to compete right thru to May, it seems.

[@kunimitsune177]

@AJAddy *Through Troglodyte.

[@bigtingman3910]

@@kunimitsune177 no need to chuck insults around is there? Log off the internet and spend some time with your family.

[@SueMyChin]

Do you trust the other players he hardly uses? I don't?

[@richardcahill1234]

I thought our slow start to the season was planned to make sure we'd be peaking at the right time this season? Now you guys are saying the players are fatigued again at the same point!

[@adventurerwannabe]

😂

[@spunzel2594]

A few thoughts: - Losing to Bayern (and not even showing up really) is fine, losing to Villa with that display and then Bayern and crumble when push comes to shove is not fine. And it's becoming our DNA. - Saka is not great, not off form, he's not great. - Rice is normal, and tired... very tired... - Arteta is stubborn, had he played hungry players not complacent players he would've gotten a game. He should've played Martinelli, Jesus, Vieira and Rice, Partey, Ode. (Impact subs: Saka, Trossard, Havertz, ESR). - Next season is make or break. This summer we buy everyone and everything (that if people are still convinced by our project - I'd think twice about joining Arsenal, a team on the up that just doesn't quite have it), next season a trophy needs to come, doesn't matter which one but Carabao, FA, UCL, PL. If nothing happens, thanks Arteta, you've resuscitated us but you're not it. - Arteta can do a million things he just doesn't. Why isn't Nketiah starting as CF at home, ever? Did everyone forget how he came in to deputise last year? Why aren't ESR, Vieira starting. Vieira and Nelli have to play together. Why isn't Zinchenko playing in midfield? - I'm tired of hearing young squad, City 115 charges blabla. Leverkusen did it. We only had to beat Villa. Nothing to do with City. We failed. We did. Not City being a juggernaut. Our shortcomings....

[@adventurerwannabe]

You guys keep saying there is no shame in going out to Bayern but keep ignoring the fact that this is the worst Bayern in ages, who have been battered by a team 18 months into their managers process and who had not won anything since like before ww2

[@danieledokpolo4342]

stop believing that nonsense, they are a very very good team.

[@manlikedan2865]

Concerned with Martinelli now

[@SueMyChin]

We get to this point in the season every year and people start talking about injuries, fatigue, knock all the same crap. It's just what a team look like when they can't rise to the pressure. Anyone who's felt the heavy legs walking up to take a penalty in an important shoot-out knows the feeling. You're physically fine but you feel like you legs are made of wood. This team don't deal with it well, the forward players shy away. Don't be afraid to talk about it Blogs. It's natural.

[@adventurerwannabe]

Exactly. Its so obvious that the main issue is a lack of ability to up their game at the crunch moments. Think they are ignoring this on purpose because i dont think these two are that blind.

[@Gigity1107]

Or maybe we just need a striker who can turn a half chance into a goal.

[@SueMyChin]

@@Gigity1107 man city created loads with their striker but they are also out? what half chances did we create?

[@PakluPapito]

This 100%. I think the players need to stand up and be counted at the business end of the season. We just didn't want it as much as Bayern did on that night. Plain and simple. If we wanted it enough everything would have fallen into place. I would loved to have seen some of our players take a few cards, get into a few arguments - I'm sorry but the body language was just not there.

[@KarltonFranz]

Looked like a team that is pushed to their physical limit. Better rotation and man management will be needed going forward

[@morganzimmerglass9925]

We look so tired. Can’t believe Partey hasn’t played recently. This is why you need to rotate more earlier in the season.

[@00dude3]

Same as last season and the one before and...

[@SueMyChin]

It's not physical. It's mental. They wilt in the pressure games. That's exactly what it looks like. You feel fine but your legs are heavier.

[@KarltonFranz]

@@morganzimmerglass9925 tbf Partey hasn't impressed at all in his recent cameos. However players like Viera, ESR, etc not getting a sniff isn't ideal

[@llwyde1104]

The effort was there we just didn't have the tools to open the Bayern box...

[@johnkennedy4721]

@arseblog, straight to the most important thing. This Arsecast extra, is, in your own words, half an Arsecast Extra. Yet not once did you say, "Half-Arsecast". What a miss.

[@Arseblog]

0/10 for me

[@PatrickWaltersandpoetry]

Half-cast Extra 😂

[@adventurerwannabe]

Apparently Arsenal just cant do anything big due to missing extra experience. Meanwhile Alonsos Leverkusen battering Bayern after him being 18 months in charge and Leverkusen not winning anything in 120 years.

[@Poet1397]

Exactly this. I feel like the squad is also comfortable knowing that people will make this excuse for them. Plenty of 'smaller' clubs have made it to the later stages of the CL while overcoming difficult teams. At this rate, all our current players will leave before we win anything and it'll be the start of the decline again

[@00dude3]

​@Poet1397 emery literally look Villarreal to the semis beating Bayern 2 years ago. Need to knock out a big European team to prove we can.

[@arjitjere1559]

Unjust comparison,pl with the city machine is much much harder than Bundesliga. Ofcourse Leverkusen are doing wonders but the league is different

[@adventurerwannabe]

@@arjitjere1559 we just lost to Bundesliga side

[@dxcheong]

I just watched a couple Leverkusen games and we need a Wirtz type player. If only they were available.

[@Jorgihno]

Thoughts on whether Arteta is coaching creativity out of the team, through rigidity and systems. Saka feels like a victim of this, playing it safe. As per my previous messages more phases in this process than the Marvel Cinematic Universe

[@Arseandbobsman]

Really surprised Andrew ignored the 1960s siren. 41:13 . Is James time travelling?

[@ToddParker]

We need a "chaos merchant." Sanchez, Suarez, that type of player. Our version is Marinelli. Do we have the maverick match winner talent? No. We also don't have a Musiala who can penetrate on the dribble and move past players with ease in the middle of the park. I wonder if we have a manager who allows that expression as well. We are young, we have time, yet the final 1% hurdle that is the difference between trophies and first loser is the very, very hardest step to take. Time will tell if we take that next and final step, or not, with this group. Who can we add in the summer to put us over the final line?

[@SueMyChin]

We have the players, they just didn't perform.

[@ToddParker]

@@SueMyChin We have the players until we don't. It is easy to tell who Arteta trusts and rotation shows it is a select few. At this level, in this tie, Sane and Musiala and Kane won the tie. Our players did not. I think if we are being real; if the goal is "domination" like Arteta says that includes winning the premier league and Champions league eventually and I think we are just about 3 major players away or 2 major players away with better fitness at RB and LB. I do not for one second believe Arteta believes we are there, I think he is in Phase 3 of a 5 phase project.

[@thewisetzar5363]

We went out like a whimper, our attack didn't turn up and cannot be relied upon to bring major silverware, it's time for Arteta to make use of his squad, get rid of the dross in the summer and sign level raisers in midfield/attack. If Arteta doesn't bring Arsenal a EPL or UCL trophy by Summer 2025 then we will have to ask difficult questions on Arteta's tenure at Arsenal (plus the ridiculous spending) and whether or not he is the right man to help get Arsenal over the line in the business end of the season and winning major silverware. This is Arsenal football club, not Arteta FC.

[@arjitjere1559]

He has taken us so far but yes if he doesn't win in next 2 years ...maybe we need a winning manager who can get over line

[@kunimitsune177]

**PL* If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.

[@Str20ng]

@@kunimitsune177EPL=English Premier League

[@00dude3]

He isnt

[@spunzel2594]

A few thoughts: - Losing to Bayern (and not even showing up really) is fine, losing to Villa with that display and then Bayern and crumble when push comes to shove is not fine. And it's becoming our DNA. - Saka is not great, not off form, he's not great. - Rice is normal, and tired... very tired... - Arteta is stubborn, had he played hungry players not complacent players he would've gotten a game. He should've played Martinelli, Jesus, Vieira and Rice, Partey, Ode. (Impact subs: Saka, Trossard, Havertz, ESR). - Next season is make or break. This summer we buy everyone and everything (that if people are still convinced by our project - I'd think twice about joining Arsenal, a team on the up that just doesn't quite have it), next season a trophy needs to come, doesn't matter which one but Carabao, FA, UCL, PL. If nothing happens, thanks Arteta, you've resuscitated us but you're not it. - Arteta can do a million things he just doesn't. Why isn't Nketiah starting as CF at home, ever? Did everyone forget how he came in to deputise last year? Why aren't ESR, Vieira starting. Vieira and Nelli have to play together. Why isn't Zinchenko playing in midfield? - I'm tired of hearing young squad, City 115 charges blabla. Leverkusen did it. We only had to beat Villa. Nothing to do with City. We failed. We did. Not City being a juggernaut. Our shortcomings....

[@MrTkeddo]

Meanwhile Unai Emery gets his team to a European semifinal

[@Arseblog]

Champions League semi-final? No. Europa League semi-final? No. Europa Conference League semi-final? Yes! Fair play to him, but don't make out squeezing past the 4th placed team in France on penalties is the same thing

[@MrTkeddo]

@@Arseblog Love you guys best channel out there along with Arsenal Vision, Highbury Squad,I’m upset with Curtis Shaw’s reactions as I did enjoy that channel

[@garyfowkes8794]

No plan B Arsenal

[@paulhayes2593]

The quarter finals is about right for this team first time out. Could’ve gone one more if we’d got Dortmund In The draw. A couple of top class opportunistic signings takes over the top.

[@adventurerwannabe]

Same thing people said last summer

[@diehardgunner4844]

The Partey excuse "not being match fit or at the level" is nonsense. This is the same coach who chucked in Eddie and even Rob Holding last year. Please ask arteta what is the real reason we have abandoned Partey.

[@pannapalanki8041]

Some of you watched Partey pass straight to a Bayern player in the previous leg and thought "yeah, we need more of that". Also Holding and Nketiah mostly played, when we had no other options.

[@prash_t]

We also saw his pass to Saka for the disallowed penalty.​@@pannapalanki8041

[@diehardgunner4844]

@pannapalanki8041 how many times did we pass directly to a bayern player yesterday without partey? Also in the 5 mins partey played he put through saka who tried to get a penalty. What did Rice and Jorginho do?

[@adventurerwannabe]

​@@diehardgunner4844amen

[@morganzimmerglass9925]

I’m shocked we didn’t play Partey more in the past month while the rest of the team looked so exhausted. Even if Partey wasn’t great he’d be fresh legs at least. Also so upset we never got to see him and rice in midfield together. That was the combination that I thought would bring us glory. Not rice and gorginho.

[@housinauthority5258]

I'm going to keep saying it. We need a striker!

[@kunimitsune177]

...and a keeper... and a winger... and a midfielder... and a fullback...

[@SueMyChin]

How did City get on with their striker? Bet they're all saying this morning that Haaland should be dropped, he doesn't turn up in big games. They need a winger etc....

[@Never_Wr0ng]

Disappointed. QFs isn't bad on our return. But could have been better. One thing I am sure about now is we can't be the best itw with Odegaard as our main creator.

[@Poet1397]

Odegaard is probably the only player who shows up consistently for most of the big games. He's not the issue, but we need to manage his minutes and the people around him better. We're toothless without him

[@Never_Wr0ng]

@@Poet1397 We're toothless with him as well. What is showing up consistently for big games in your book ? Putting 100% effort ? Leading the press ? Because that's not what I need from my 'creative' midfielder.

[@arjitjere1559]

​@@Never_Wr0nghe was the only trying to find that pass. Others let him down

[@00dude3]

Every season thr same with Arteta. 1 last season or he's got to go.

[@aidanhickman6621]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@superconnie5003]

5 LBs,CB playing RB,CB playing LB,CF playing L8.Crocked Timber,Partey,Tomi not addressed