BayoGate: Big Fibs & Thickening Plots | Castle Super Beast Clips

[@hunterpyle1256]

Watching everyone go from Hellena can't be replaced too just mod in Gruntilda noises for bayo 1 and 2 has been a wild ride.

[@TheMaleLilligant]

Lol I need a link for that. BK was my childhood

[@GELTONZ]

Someone needs to make this. I need it in my life.

[@StarOutlaw9]

With Green Skin mod to complete the transformation

[@diegomedina9637]

@@StarOutlaw9 Why stop there? Make a full model swap.

[@StarOutlaw9]

@@diegomedina9637 ok, as long as it's Game Over Grunty... aw hell, any version would be gold

[@mattb6616]

i really like the backdrops. suzi w an army of figs, woolie with an actual bookshelf and game shelf, and pat with an empty undecorated room and skeleton

[@Revan058]

Woolie, the intellectual. Suzi, the anime degenerate. Pat, living in an abstract painting.

[@kapkant6197]

You see what they value most in life. Woolie his prized manga and video games Suzi values Cammy's ass And Pat values Mr Skeletal

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@Revan058 Pat needs a painting of The Scream with himself as the character in it.

[@ArcCaravan]

Looks like he just moved because I remember Pat having a different backdrop.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@@kapkant6197 Cammy's ass is nice and all. but Juri's feet tho.

[@Wolvy114]

Pat throwing on that voice filter just sounded like Suzi bonded to him like a symbiote lol

[@kot4311]

They did a quick off camera fusion dance to become Puzi

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

I am glad I'm not the only one! When I listened to the audio I was like that's just Suzi lmao!

[@kapkant6197]

@@JojoDigitalArtist I thought Suzi was just built different managing to sync up even with the Discord delay. Granted I was also taken off guard cause Pat threw that filter on while I was walking through a dark wooded area with no lights at 10pm so I er, was kinda too scared of the monster voice to focus.

[@mortified0]

I was listening to the audio podcast when it came out and when that happened I felt like I was having a stroke

[@ItsSansom]

Yeah, when I was listening to the audio, I thought they just happened to start saying the same thing together, or had rehearsed a bit where they would do that. The longer it went on the more amazed I was that they were keeping sync so well, and neither were cracking. It wasn't until after an entire-ass sentence that I realised what was happening

[@W4L3YT]

The past 2 weeks, I went from: "WTF, Nintendo? " to "WTF are you doing, Kamiya?" to "Yo Helena, why you LYIING?" to "Yo Helena, why you STILL LYING?"

[@theprofesionalist7927]

I also went from "typical greedy corporation" to "typical greedy famous person". Like how do you look 4K per hour/session and go "nah that's still not enough"?

[@e1v1a19]

Prototypical dumbass moves

[@boyo357]

@@theprofesionalist7927 well for a voice actor it all comes down to.... when are you going to get work next? Not saying Helena is in the right for it but there is still an ongoing discussion of "how much is enough" for a voice actor for a big game.

[@ShyRanger]

Not sure why the "WTF Nintendo" for this case, pretty sure the Bayo voice decisions were always under Platinum, could be wrong though.

[@theprofesionalist7927]

@@ShyRanger IDK what platinum's past looks like, but I know that Nintendo is a greedy company, so basically, until this shit came out, I thought that platinum was only willing to pay her 4k for the whole game cuz Nintendo wasn't paying them a whole lot to make the game. U can say that Platinum was looking bad throughout this whole interaction, but I can't really blame them for paying her 4k if Nintendo was only paying platinum 20K to make the game.

[@Boonehams]

To add to Pat's story about numbing med students to horrors, while my brother was in med school many years ago (now a surgeon and head of a hospital's department), he had a summer job where he had to prep cadavers for other med students taking summer classes. One day after he came home, I asked him how his day was. He said, "It was really boring. I decapitated 12 people and then skinned their heads to prep for cranial surgery. Skinning heads is so time consuming; it's like scraping decals off of a car's back window. And I had to do that for 12 heads! 12! Ugh."

[@train9703]

😶

[@themajesticmoose8147]

What the fuck man.

[@vellinghem2187]

Dude…that’s fucking Metal. Awesome.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@Boonehams My bro works as amed student and has actually become jumpy and nervous at the side of blood and gore more than he ever used to be.

[@SuperWHIIITE]

I guess it'd be a lot worse if he said it was fun.

[@DrRyan82994]

it tells you everything you need to know that she didn’t go through her union, she went straight to social media. well not straight to, she waited till bayonets was close to release. not for money, for something you can’t buy with money, victimhood

[@yukiminsan]

it tickles just the right part of our DNA that makes us feel good to resolve interpersonal conflicts within the tribe

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

Yeah I was down to believe her cause individual vs big company...but too many things were suspicious and the two weeks before release thing was secretly the biggest one it felt too planned, so i took it all with a grain of salt and glad i did

[@Desgaroth]

@@JojoDigitalArtist as far as i remember it we heard in one of the early trailers that bayonettas voice was different. So i found it really suspicious, that we haven't heard from her around that time. Cause that would have been a good moment to draw attention to it.

[@Sanodi21]

So the reason that the union didn't get involved was because she didn't even bother using them? A lot of people thought they were doing some skeevy shit, but apparently not.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@@Sanodi21 i suppose that's not out of the question. i'd believe that.

[@Rikuo86]

There has never been a more perfect time for Suzi to join the podcast given the past 2 weeks holy shit.

[@Rickbane01]

Pretty sure Suzi has a stand that activated a ability.

[@Jaded_Jinx]

@@Rickbane01 If Pat has Crazy Talk, and Woolie has Bring Me to Life, then what is Suzi's? Fly Me To The Moon? Rainbow in the Dark? Rob Zombie?

[@kabronex9877]

@@Jaded_Jinx Lola by the Kinks

[@Dabednego]

@@kabronex9877 lololololololololol so funee

[@MrBda241]

When Pat use that voice filter, I sincerely thought he and Suzi were just talking in sync and thought "Wow, they really practiced on point for that bit".

[@BareBandSubscription]

Exactly what I thought. I was blown away.

[@ItsSansom]

Suzi fits right in with Pat and Woolie's vibe. Perfect podcast guest

[@theevilgood]

A hell of a lot better than some other guests

[@rasendori20]

@@theevilgood there’s only been two

[@joekewl7539]

Honest to God I wish she'd become a regular. She worked FUCKING PERFRCTLY in the dynamic.

[@snecilia9601]

@@VaraAccountti man it must be hard having to purposefully misgender people because its the only kind of joke you know how to make

[@danherondraws]

well since they watch each others' videos and casually talk off-screen and even asks for tips and junk, they already had a great chemistry by default

[@scarecrow8515]

29th of October Update: Hellena has TRIPLED DOWN calling for another boycott of the game, even tho it's already out and apparently doing very well. She listed a group of charities for people to donate to instead of buying the game, this list including anti-aborition group Billboards 4 Life. Let this be a lesson to everybody, don't jump on bandwagons cause you never know if your driver is going to be a crazy person.

[@Avossk]

I hope you guys have Suzi on more often she fits in perfectly with the vibe

[@snecilia9601]

@@VaraAccountti she passes and there's nothing you can do about it

[@snecilia9601]

@@VaraAccountti she I can play this game all day, you aren't ready for it

[@dogsoldier123]

@@VaraAccountti Bro guess what. Some ppl are born with both characteristics of both genders

[@Narutofan673]

@@VaraAccountti Wow you know a lot about those sex tapes for someone so salty, keeping your preferences nice and repressed huh?

[@arianghorbani1305]

@@VaraAccountti you can continue to be hateful and SHE can continue to live an infinitely better life where she isn’t concerned with the petty hatred of disgusting, fundamentally unhappy mouthbreathers like you. Can’t wait for you to be bred out of the gene pool bro

[@TheFoxClaws]

Couldn’t imagine a better guest for this segment

[@JackgarPrime]

Sometimes the universe just converges the perfect way.

[@matthewrush9026]

Can someone type/link her name/channel please? :D I hate when people don't plug their guests even in clips of the larger video/vod

[@nananamamana3591]

I mean, she's been around for a bit now.

[@charlestonobryant807]

@@matthewrush9026 her channel is TheSphereHunter

[@vivamexico254]

Suzi definetly has that castle superbeast denizen energy going

[@mrsquee9280]

Suzi is a fantastic fit for the podcast, it would be pretty sweet if she ended up becoming a regular guest or even a permanent fixture to the podcast, she gels so well with the guys

[@kapkant6197]

She'd be like Plague on the old podcast! Only Suzi reviewed RE7, meanwhile Plague lives it every day of his life.

[@herosshade2247]

@ville ville Dude I've seen you in every reply, what are you trying to prove 🤷‍♀️

[@manwiththemachinegun]

She has a really good rapport with them.

[@stitches1110]

Someone mentioned it on Twitter but Helena bringing up the $250,000 seems like she might have slipped up and said what she was asking for. Bloomberg only said it was a 6 figure price and no other site reporting on it could even go that far. So once again we might have just caught her in another lie

[@taterslam0573]

She’s telling more lies than a ace attorney witness

[@li-limandragon9287]

@stitches1110 People go on about her lying which she did, but now most people are forgetting the orignal overaching problem of voice actors getting goddamn screwed. Compared to what most actors are paid for movies and tv shows voice actors might as well be working for peanuts.

[@Pokemen396]

@@li-limandragon9287 its the koni 2012 thing of its an actual problem but this one gets the most attention then turns out to be bs thus overshadowing the original idea of why it drew people towards it

[@stitches1110]

@@li-limandragon9287 honestly, I think people are blowing that problem up way to much. Just looking at the SAG union rates in order to make 70k in a year a VA would need to work 14.5 hour a month. Now, granted I’m not a member of the industry, I can’t say how easy or not it is to get a job, but with the rate being $400 for 4 hours, that literally just under 4 days of work a month. If they aren’t making enough doing just VA work then perhaps they should be looking at other venues, like a part time job.

[@Neostrius]

@@li-limandragon9287 The worth of voice actors is not comparable to that of live actors. While good voice acting goes a long way to bring the game to life and more accurately conveying who a character is meant to be and how they experience their emotions, it is far from the most vital aspect of a video-game's creation. Video-games can stand well on their own completely devoid of voice acting, provided everything else is well made. Outside of some incredibly small minority that I'm certain must exist, people do not buy video-games for the voice actors, or in other words, their is little to no fame to be bought in acquiring their talent for a project unlike with live actors. With some rare exceptions, as with something like Darkest Dungeon for instance, where the narrator's voice has become core to that game's identity. None of this is meant to be an argument against voice actors being paid better mind you, but people keep treating these positions like they should be the same when they objectively aren't. Perhaps there is something to be said about how this is partly due to a lack of marketing of voice talents (usually it's not presented as a big deal who is voice acting any given character), but that would just be conjecture at this stage.

[@TheShockVox]

My favorite guest episode so far. This was one of the most fun episodes in a while. That third party energy can really help. I’m surprised Plague hasn’t been brought in at all.

[@DaSquareful]

Plague has been banned for horny sonic drawings.

[@TychoHoward]

To be honest, the funniest part to me isn't even related to the video, but the thumbnail, in which _all three_ hosts look they've had egg thrown on their faces. Well played.

[@AngelusX92]

Never seen suzi before but after I finish the episode I wanna check her stuff out. Woolie and pat have introduced me to a lot of cool creators I didn’t know about

[@adams3627]

I hope you have a lot of spare time. She doesn't post a lot, but Suzi loves her deep dives.

[@AngelusX92]

@@adams3627 I get 3 min lunch breaks I can divide the vids lol

[@hibiki8473]

She just does cool vids. As fun fact her third birthday video woolie editor mihn helped her slightly since square wants to destroy any showing of that ending. Where you need to constantly change your censorship over it and mihn helped her with that

[@joekewl7539]

This podcast has had few guests, and of them Suzi has been the best. I really hope she comes by again. She works flawlessly with Woolie and Pat's dynamic and delivery and humor.

[@joekewl7539]

@@VaraAccountti Come on, dude. Don't be That Guy. Not to someone like Suzi.

[@kapkant6197]

@@joekewl7539 He's got that standard transphobe "gotta spam every single comment with the person's deadname/pronouns" going on. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic lmao. Anyway yeah Suzi's great I hope Woolie doesn't coward out of letting her and Pat have the 5 hour RE4 discussion

[@brian.jrmontoya3227]

@@kapkant6197 is that what that person was doing? What a prick.

[@Revan058]

@@joekewl7539 Not to anyone, really. No one deserves that. Not even garbage people like Blaire White.

[@joekewl7539]

@@Revan058 I mean, if it's people like Chris Chan who openly admit they aren't actually Trans and are just pretending to be a woman to prey on lesbians, by all means put a garbage can in their place. Or people who are quite obviously not actually Trans and pretend to be Trans for political ideology. Those people are the worst, because they make genuine good Trans people like our Suzi look bad by comparison.

[@Wingless-]

Holy shit what a perfect dynamic. The three of you feed off each other so well. I would love to see her on more!

[@sketch6uy]

Yay! A Bayo discussion with Suzi! This is gonna be good...

[@idontknowyoumitch]

Looking at Helena’s actual VA work shes only done bayo so to me she wanted to get a years worth of pay on one job. VA’s do deserve better pay. Absolutely. But i don’t think Helena ever was taking a stance for VA’s.

[@NDenizen]

Worse, she may have made things difficult for a community/profession she's not even particularly bound to. Voice actors looking for better pay don't all have theatrical work to fall back on.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@NDenizen Exactly people are go focus all their energy shitting on Helena and conivently forget the geuine issue she raised that's been plaging voice actors for decades.

[@chillhour6155]

The way she tried to throw the whole platinum team under the bus with a boycott proves that, it was an utterly selfish move, she could've helped so many other VA's in this industry if she handled it better, but no, this is how it played out

[@SideswipePrime606]

@@li-limandragon9287 I mean, that's her fault for bringing up the issue in bad faith. Especially since it didn't apply to her. All for her own personal gain, no less. She didn't go on social media and say "Hey guys VAs get paid poorly can you please spread the word?" She let either her anger or her greed get the better of her and tried to ruin years of countless other peoples' hard work, just to sabotage a game that she wasn't even involved in.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@SideswipePrime606 Bad faith or not, it’s still a massive problem that goes beyond her and been a issue for decades. And yes while people work hard on video games, that’s no a free pass to continually rip actors off because royalties and unions annoy you. The worst thing Helena did was detract from the main cancerous issue with her own selfish bullshit. Now whenever any VA brings up getting ripped off again, they’ll be mass scrutiny with people bringing this case up to deflect usually very fair allegations.

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

The 450mil is what really annoyed me because I had to watch other KZbinrs talk about how Bayo makes a ton. I mean it makes a lot more than indie games but I bought the game for 8$ and I know it goes below 10 a lot with it regularly being 30. That's recent years where before it was basically impossible to get on consoles and on PC where people undoubtedly bought on sale.

[@diegomedina9637]

Bayonetta sells so little that Nintendo bundled the first one with 2 when that one came out... At an already discounted price no less.

[@chillhour6155]

Yeah that was a completely clueless statement

[@everforward5561]

Better to back down than double-down, I say. It's only natural to change opinions based on new information.

[@wardy4903]

They were fools to defend her without the fool story anyway.

[@bickflick]

@@wardy4903 the trouble was how believable the story was given, how they said throughout the entire video, how trash the pay-situation is for VAs.

[@e1v1a19]

How about not having rash, unfounded opinions instead? Much better than the dumb mob mentality...

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@wardy4903 I'll defend the point she raised, not her personally.

[@lweaver2988]

@@e1v1a19 nah you're wrong.

[@waddledude9699]

There's a difference in conversation between "deserves a living wage" and "deserves a lot of money". Even at 4k, she would've made more per hour than the devs. 15k, a lot more, and she scoffed at that number.

[@WakkaMadeInYevon]

Apples and oranges. Devs are employed by the company, VAs are contract work, they don't get a salary, they get commissioned. Sometimes a VA can go months without seeing a gig, and when they do it's very competetive. In essence, VAs *need* to get paid more per-job because they get paid less often and their future employment is never guaranteed. I can't exactly blame her for seeking a higher wage. But then she goes and starts a witch hunt on Twitter over her own mistakes and she's lost me.

[@AuspexAO]

Ehhh, not really. Performers aren’t slinging code at 40 hours a week. You can’t really measure their impact with an hourly wage. I don’t like Helena as a person, but 15k to play an iconic voice role for a game that’s gonna make millions and millions of dollars is definitely not fair. Voice actors should make royalties anyway. That way they don’t have to worry about not getting fairly compensated if the game is a hit, and the devs don’t have to make a giant investment upfront for voice assets if the game is a bomb.

[@WakkaMadeInYevon]

The cartoon CEO lights yet another comically large cigar.

[@DetectiveOlivaw]

All people should be paid more, is where I land on that! Devs included! Cut some of the management’s pay and spread that money around, why not!

[@WakkaMadeInYevon]

​@@DetectiveOlivaw Put a picture of a management office and a royal tomb next to each other and nobody'd know the difference

[@BbNaB]

People online tend to forget the "If this is true, " phase of news cycles and it's easy to do because you get caught up in it

[@alephnole7009]

If you look behind Pat you can see her career in the corner.

[@Levinsbun]

Is it next to the skeleton?

[@thewraithwriter22]

@@Levinsbun it's under the skeleton

[@kapkant6197]

Taylor's whole schtick of leaving out key parts of the story reminds me of another similar incident off the top of my head. James C. Burns, who played Frank Woods in Call of Duty Black Ops 1, 2 and 4 was suddenly recast for Cold War. He then went on about how they gave him no warning and the like... Only for it to be revealed he had been warned several times over the years to stop using the Woods character to make money for his own projects, with his channel being straight up named "SGTFrankWoods" and his videos being weird half in character things, culminating in him accepting "donations" to voice the character in a Black Ops 1 mod before Activision's legal department noticed and shut it down (they then went and drank all that milk in the cafeteria to celebrate presumably) forcing the mod to use pre existing lines from the games. Like, the man IS Woods but he got so many warnings and just didn't listen, got recast and started calling for a boycott of the game and very similarly to Taylor started slating his replacement publicly, despite Woods' new VA stating something along the lines of "Burns IS Frank Woods and I can't change that." Then in another unrelated story there is the T.J Rotolo mess with Dead Rising 4 where he wasn't even asked to come back, got recast as Frank West by some guy who was probably more expensive and then got brought back to voice Frank in Marvel Infinite after DR4 crashed and burned.

[@skunthundler]

Doubt they would've gotten the guy for infinite either way, that project clearly wasn't high budget lmao.

[@kapkant6197]

@@skunthundler oh no no. I phrased that awkwardly. Infinite brought back Frank's ORIGINAL VA from 1,2 and UMVC3 despite releasing after Dead Rising 4. T.J Rotolo said he had no clue why they didn't contact him for 4 since he was free and (my words here not anything he said) cheap. Then Infinite just kinda pretends the 4 thing never happened and no one actually knows what happened there and we'll probably never know because Dead Rising as a franchise is long gone.

[@Valzahd]

@@kapkant6197 Pure speculation on my part here. I think DR4 was potentially an attempt at a soft reboot and they wanted someone else to play Frank going forward. Only for 4 to flop hard and kill any future ideas with that. I say this because this is very similar to Splinter Cell: Blacklist which was a soft reboot attempt. Long standing VA for Sam Fisher was Micheal Ironside but for Blacklist they got a younger guy to take over the role. Blacklist came and went with no fanfair and then what do we see but Micheal Ironside back as Sam for DLC in Ghost Recon: Wildlands.

[@invincibleloonie]

@@kapkant6197 the vid on DR4 by Matt basically says Capcom Vancouver wanted to try something else and that meant recasting Frank. Bear in mind that he was also in RE2 as Birkin, a role he’s been reprising for about the same time as Frank.

[@kapkant6197]

@@Valzahd I can ACTUALLY confirm Dead Rising 4 was a planned reboot. It came out about a year or two ago that Microsoft had a "first look" contract for Dead Rising where they got to see whatever prototype Capcom Vancouver made first and decide if they wanted to fund it. This was 2013 just after The Last of Us so Capcom Vancouver, wanting to get that Microsoft money, started work on a gritty story driven Last of Us style Dead Rising reboot (bottle throwing and all) which Microsoft loved. They then showed it to Capcom Japan in 2015 (who between this and several other cancelled projects, never checked to see what Vancouver was doing with their money) who immediately told them it wasn't Dead Rising and to change it and it also had to be out for the 10th anniversary. Meaning the current DR4 was developed in about a year.

[@king_big_pp]

I've never seen a person look more like a "Suzi" in my life

[@lamarco18]

😂 oh yeah?

[@king_big_pp]

@@lamarco18 The most Suzi-looking Suzi ever. Also, I love her dynamic with the crew, I hope we don't wait too long to see her back!

[@DoctorDrPepperMD]

LOVING the young Angelica Houston look on Suzi. I’m unfamiliar with her but she has instantly endearing vibes

[@Kladyos]

It's a Cleopatra bob

[@VaraAccountti]

He is a mentally unwell man.

[@HRIgnomious]

Where the fuck did my reply go? I see 3 replies in the comments, where the fuck's the 3rd? Why is every single internet platform trying to erase my existence? ... Anyway the influence for her bob are things like the Major from GiTS and Lady from DMC. More girls should wear short bob cuts, it's an underappreciated style.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@@HRIgnomious you're joking with the "erase your existence" part, right? it has to be. if not, you've just got to be careful with words. yeah it sucks. you know, the word "honk" used to get my comments auto-deleted. and i was just doing it in response to some jackwagon calling me the thing every idiot calls every other idiot.

[@Jumpingmelonz]

What I will say in defense of kamiya is that his position was shitty from 4 different fronts. From his perspective, it was a bombardment of false allegations and harassment on his personal twitter account on a topic that was tough to talk about because of an nda contract. Considering HT broke that NDA to try and boycott the game and throw PG under the bus, i'm not surprised his reactions were hostile considering he's not a PR person and acted as a bullet shield for his on-life-support franchise and the on-life-support company that just had a huge flop.

[@NireFuster]

This mess of a situation aside, I gotta say, Suzi as a guest was amazing! She felt like such a natural addition and bounced off of you guys really well, like she had always been here, definitely should come back every once in a while, not saying she should remain a permanent member because I understand it's probably impossible, but it would be nice if it happened lol

[@hibiki8473]

It helps these are people who have interacted for years but I agree I hope she shows up more

[@ExecutionCommentator]

pat: :| woolie: :| suzi: :|

[@BorbMcGorb]

*Bayonetta voice actor drama starts to wind down* Well, I'm glad that's over with. Now we can all enjoy the game! *Bayonetta shipping wars drama starts up*

[@li-limandragon9287]

I never getting invested in shipping wars unless RE and it's about killing Ada for Chris's sake.

[@MCG55555]

47:10 He was also in Time Crisis as Wild Dog, voicing alongside the original Rebecca Chambers and Harry Mason/Dracula. RIP Scott McCulloch.

[@sambeasley444]

You kind of can't say Kamiya was acting guilty af when THAT'S JUST HOW HE ACTS ALL THE TIME, like it would have been weirder if he didn't go on a blocking spree and get mad at people speaking English to him and just been a normal human.

[@ShyRanger]

This was a situation where someone was bringing up a big accusation with severe consequences, so yes, he SHOULD have acted like a normal human in this case. He should've realized that the situation was more serious and shouldn't have acted the way he did, as he should've known it would not paint him in good light when he's actually trying to defend himself. He would've been better off doing nothing.

[@sambeasley444]

I'm not saying what he should do or what would have been the best way for him to react, I'm just saying Kamiya acting like he always does isn't surprising.

[@k.-flynn]

Kamiya, off in the corner: "Nothing to hide here! I've got a dead body and a shovel but I'm totally innocuous! If anybody accuses me they're the real murderer here! Remember my rules, no snitching!" And the dead body is his because he totally dug his own grave.

[@verachannel7091]

Yeah none of it came across as guilty to someone who follows the guy (or doesn't he blocked me years ago) but to the masses who were first introduced to him or his antics in the midst of this, man needed to show even an ounce more self common sense than usual.

[@yyflame]

Another thing kinda sus is “I didn’t ask for 250k!” When nobody said 250k, just 6 figures. Kinda weird that she would get defensive about an amount that is over double the minimum alleged amount

[@cybergeek11235]

SOLID use of "defenestrate", Woolz!

[@grahamcarpenter5135]

just an inherently funny word

[@Zarflame99_Alt]

is that a marathon icon I see?

[@fable23]

This is Pure Speculation™, of course, but here's what I think happened; I think Taylor actually liked being Bayonetta, and was quite proud of her performance. She tried playing hardball with her rate because she never imagined they would just replace her, and when they did, she was really hurt and upset by it. That's why she attacked Jen Hale as well as Platinum; no matter what she says now about wanting to put the whole thing behind her, she wanted to be Bayonetta. She wanted that character to be hers. She just let her greed get in the way, and when that cost her the role, she decided to be as petty and vindictive as possible because she was genuinely hurt by losing the role. It's a shame, really. She could have been forever known and beloved as the voice of Bayonetta, but now she will mostly be known for... _this._ A damn shame.

[@DetectiveOlivaw]

It also put a spotlight on the rest of her insane beliefs that I never ever would have known or cared about beforehand, so now I have a way worse picture of her in my mind. Fun!!

[@fable23]

@@DetectiveOlivaw I never saw the last vid. Can you sum it up for me?

[@Revan058]

@@fable23 She be TERF'n.

[@herosshade2247]

Yo, I just rewatched Paige's Undertale Let's Play where she talked about Strange Magic for practically the whole stream, I just got a weird sense of whiplash when Pat just mentioned it again and she's still obsessing over it to this day

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Also I would argue from the topic of "man everything is ethically compromised" that everybody has some sort of line. We have to stop treating everyone like product consumption has as much ethical productivity as actually being a decent person and not committing crimes. Everyone has a line when it comes to a person in a bubble rather harmlessly consuming a product, we need to just bother to draw it for ourselves because it's infinitely more complicated than basic human society. tldr: *You are not a bad person because the product you bought is ethically compromised, because by that logic there is not a single human being in first-world societies that is truly pure of heart.*

[@jjj7790]

This is true and I would also argue against treating passive consumption or passive “boycotting” as effective towards any meaningful change. If you want a company to stop doing unethical business practices, quietly deciding not to buy their products doesn’t do anything about that. Managers looking at sales numbers and missing profits could just as easily blame that on a shitty product or poor marketing instead of people not being fans of the orphan grinder or the serial rapist on staff. *You can’t buy/abstain product your way to a better industry.* Journalism, review-bombing and being annoying on twitter has probably done more for affecting company direction than any amount of quiet buying or boycotting.

[@xNSAxWarHawk]

Castle super Beast: the backdowning

[@Coconut-219]

Woolie: "call me the BACKDOWN KING!"

[@Santoryu90]

Better than double downing

[@Mr.Faust3]

How dare they realize they made a mistake and change there minds and grow as a person

[@arsenelupin9697]

@@Mr.Faust3 How about acting your age and not jumping to conclusions like a teenage girl, simply because of some gossip?

[@e1v1a19]

@@Mr.Faust3 Jumping to conclusions and developing opinions on no evidence and unfounded claims is simply moronic. Stop trying to make it out like they're scientists or judges lol. Changing your mind after the "latest reveal" doesn't defend your earlier stance when that stance was based on NOTHING.

[@MrBda241]

All this really ends with is Helena essentially committed career suicide out of spite.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

I've heard of Suzi although I've never checked out her stuff, but she was an excellent guest so I might to rectify that. Definitely have her on again soon!

[@ShinSHOGO]

Yeah, the PSP remake of Rondo of Blood had Symphony as an unlockable bonus, and that bonus version had a complete re-translation and localization, which includes new voice acting. It’s honestly fine, but yeah, it’s also “not the same and can’t be meme’d on, so it’s automatically bad”

[@charliemurphypendleton1071]

@29:05 😂 this is where I fell in love with Suzi ❤

[@Kenzamaka]

Oh this is an awesome coincidence, I very recently have gotten into Suzi's content here on KZbin. What a great guest appearance.

[@dancingowlbear]

Suzi is a great addition to the podcast. Would love to see her come back. Heck, why not become a third host?

[@figgy6666]

The tragic hindsight is at 35:00 when they're so confident this drama would result in the series being saved and having a bright future....only for the game to come out...

[@zedc6072]

man Suzi is cute, plus shes got great chemistry with CSB, wouldnt mind seeing her on the podcast again

[@p0laris74yt8]

At first with this situation, while not wanting to boycott it (as much as I love the games, I know they don’t sell particularly well, so it’s a miracle we got not 1, but 2 sequels), I was gonna wait for a major price drop months after release. Figured if I waited for it this long to come out, I can wait a few months more so they don’t get full price from me. And then the Hellena info came last week, and I just said, “you know what? Fuck it. I’m paying it Friday cause I just wanna play my dumb witch game and be happy.” While not siding with Nintendo for the actor pay shit, Hellena lying and the throwing shade on Jennifer Hale like that lost some good will for me. I still think we need to bring up awareness of of how shit VAs get paid, but some people won’t cause that happening will cause them to not listening to the genuine good thing she said. If you’e still gonna boycott it cause screw Nintendo/Platinum or just tired from this whole thing and don’t wanna play it, cool. It’s your money, use as you will, and don’t be a dick if someone doesn’t share those same thoughts. As for me, like I said, I’m gonna play it Friday and try my best to have fun with it cause honestly, this whole Hellena thing has left me drained.

[@Griever49]

So... Woolie was doing a mess with the 450 million math. here is what she did. When you see VGchartz, you see the sales of the series, then the sales of each game in all platforms, and then the sales of each game on each platform individually, but they are all listed in the same table. What she should have done would be to take the sales of the entire series and multiply that by 60 (still a crazy number because most of those were sold on sale but whatever) but she took that, then added every other number in that table, which means she was counting every game twice and sometimes even three times! that is where that crazy number comes from!

[@jamescorck]

This is now my new favorite podcast clip, up there with Woolie ranting about Game of Thrones.

[@Ravensgale]

Suzi has honestly great chemistry with Maddington and the Plunderer of Skeletons.

[@punishedfist]

Probably already aware but "nutter" in the UK is like "crazy person", so to us it's not so bad to hear bayonutter but yeah...

[@yukiminsan]

But you feel it in your heart...the *nut*

[@punishedfist]

@@yukiminsan the nut warms my face I mean heart

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

do people not know that? like, saying someone's "nuts" is a pretty common thing here so it seems fairly intuitive.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@miguelnewmexico8641 They probably don't expect the exact phrase nutters. More likely to hear a person called a nut or just described as nuts.

[@qazimod]

Yep. It's kind of gone out of fashion these days (at least over here) but it's simply applying the "nuts" adjective as a noun for an individual.

[@boyo357]

Suzi was a pretty great guest. Gotta catch up on the rest of this after work but I really liked her and wouldn't mind havin her in for more here and there.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Oh hey a new CastleSuperRollback clip

[@rahjeel]

Richter is Chris Redfield and Dracula is Harry Mason 💀

[@li-limandragon9287]

Ashely from RE4 is Sandy from Spongebob.

[@chellejohnson9789]

Suzi didn't come on because of this news, we were just incredibly lucky?

[@Joaza998]

Yo the boys with Suzi?? This is a very special episode

[@angel__king]

I wish people would be at least a little skeptical like: “okay so I’m sorry this happened to you but we need the full story from everyone involved before we decide to boycott games or riot against someone”

[@vidmuncher]

The thing is: you're right, but being cautious here means the potential bad guy gets to make money hand over fist for the foreseeable future. It's like the boy who cried wolf. People ran to their aid because there ARE wolves, but they get abandoned because they are still LYING.

[@justincase4063]

When she said Bayonetta's a $450,000,000 franchise, I was like "Bitch where?" My Trinity Masquerade Edition pre-order was never in danger, I got the call from Gamestop about it last night. Also when you say the word "nutter", you've gotta say it like Billy Butcher from "The Boys".

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

450 million yen maybe.

[@justincase4063]

@@miguelnewmexico8641 she kept saying dollars though. As in USD.

[@MarkGearRex]

It was clearly a lie from the outset. She was saying they didn't want to pay a fair wage then replace her with a more expensive VA? She brings this up on social media with a boycott 2 weeks before release, instead of when the VA work was done which was probably months ago? $450 million dollar franchise is just lmao. Remember to apologize to Kamiya.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Nah sure she lied and sucks yes but Kamiya is still jerk, a genius and visonary but still a jerk and games companies should give a single fuck about paying voice actors well.

[@fishpastethe4th340]

Ayy always good to see Suzie with my favorite boys!

[@Katagara84]

Big ups to Suzi for not only being a perfect podcast guest but also starting this segment by eating a very large bowl of crow when it comes to how this whole shitshow played out. Very respectable. Also boy is Woolie doing whatever he can to not walk this back fully. It stops being a lie of omission if she's outright lying to everyone's face.

[@Birmanncat]

Hell yeah podcast with guests! Hey, Suzi.

[@KuonilerariLoufanwald]

The discussion of VA's deserving better pay is one to be had for sure. I'm not 100% on residuals on top of that. VA's play a minor role in video games and there is much more work behind the scenes with people who are also underpaid and overworked. They need to be included in the residuals discussion.

[@CriticalMrs]

Mad respect for Kamiya going “My name is my name” on the VA dude took her lies standing up.

[@slifer875]

All these little babies crying about kamiya should straight up apologize to him. "B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but he is big meanie!!!!!!!! he hurt my precious feelings!!!!" Kamiya has zero obligation to cuddle up your precious feelings, someone wanted to do slander on his name, studio and staff, and he stand up and took none of that shit, Fuck the little babies.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

Lol idk what there is to respect about a guy who considers foreigners to be "insects" but go off.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@@Rad-Dude63andathird citation requested.

[@clanofclams2720]

@@miguelnewmexico8641 his pinned tweet.

[@Bessux]

@@Rad-Dude63andathird Sounds based as fuck.

[@neurosis51]

woolie and pat were kinda quick to take a side last podcast they talked about the bayo debacle. Always wait for the facts, though I can see why you'd want to jump to the actors side considering it's usually the company screwing people over with pay and all that.

[@ArcCaravan]

At least they aknowledge they jumped the gun here and their motives for having done so.

[@AkumaSoul1]

Woolie, master of "Open mouth, insert foot".

[@Biodeamon]

while it is good to let things go and not be hounded for mistakes to repeat the cycle of violence, and I know how much it hurts when people won't leave you in peace, there is something to be said of not running away from your mistakes

[@JudgeAlan501]

I’m not going to lie, when pat started talking about the game cube not being blue, I had to google what the game cube looks like because I couldn’t trust pats ability to tell blue & purple apart

[@Metaknight0309]

I was sus of her from the start honestly. I ALWAYS wait to get as much info as possible before taking a stance on stuff like this, and I'm very glad I did lol. I appreciate Helena's work and the VA convo does need to be had, but.... She dropped the ball HARD on her own face. Looking forward to Marathoning Bayo 3 when it drops either way, cause I'm a fan of the TEAM that worked on the game; Not just one person.

[@li-limandragon9287]

A team that works on game is great, but it's the VA that makes you fall in love with the character you're playing as but now it's gonna be harder than ever for people to support that "one person" because of one greedy low profile VA lying and rioting.

[@rasendori20]

I deadass what more SphereHunter on the cast. She can’t come back soon enough.

[@LordQuadros]

Well, that's one way to torch a fucking legacy

[@VentWilsn]

YES "Bayonutter" is best thing that came from this WHERE MY BAYONUTTERS AT? I KNOW UR OUT THERE

[@redbeardelder2421]

Would love for Suzi to become the permanent third on the show. She was great the whole episode.

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

I forget if it was mentioned here but part of why this blew up as much as it did aside from the obvious is that it came right off of the heels of another voice actor discourse where crunchy roll fired the dub voice for mob of mob psycho 100 over what seemed to be the barest whiff of union involvement.

[@li-limandragon9287]

It feels like a geuinely miracle there'a VAs like Sean Schemmel who got to voice Goku for this long. If DBZ got made today he'd be fired by the time of the Android Saga.

[@Coconut-219]

'unlimited spite-works'

[@Fomortiis100]

I remember noticing that in her original videos she never disclosed how much she negotiated for. It seemed pretty clear to me that she was ommitting some important details which didn't make sense considering she was breaking NDA and whatnot. And then I learned Jennifer Hale was replacing her and speculated that Taylor must've demanded some absurd amount which would make Hale the cheaper option even though she's such a big name. And it seems like my suspicions may have been correct lol

[@blueblazer9991]

At the very least we will never immediately jump to hyper inflammatory strong positions over breaking news ever again...

[@slifer875]

Especially not on twitter, or kotaku, or vice, or reddit, or polygon, or resetera.......

[@GELTONZ]

@@slifer875 NEVER EVER!

[@lincmart94]

But didn’t you hear? Bayonetta is straight!? I’m supposed to be mad for some reason!

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

suzie imagining pat having an alien voice at the end was pretty funny though

[@Kukadin]

The wildest part of this story is that I was presented that someone can pay a few months rent after a couple half days work and I was supposed to be outraged about unlivable that is

[@midnightsun5857]

It's fun to go through these dramatic twitter events with company and my favorite friends processing the whole thing. Thank you Suzi too for joining in.

[@bl1neoner370]

The Sphere Hunter has entered the Bayo Sphere

[@mrdudetou]

45:27 Pat sounds like Sphere Hunter 🤣

[@MrAceofspades627]

Make Suzi the third podcast member

[@brandenhill8426]

Suzy looks like a porcelain doll

[@zomgneedarandomname]

hot as heck

[@Miikii4YT]

bro her nose puts pinocchio to shame

[@kkjingles3712]

I have to do my best to try not to be constantly down bad for her lord help me resist and simp respectfully

[@SolidSnake240]

yea she's fine as hell lol

[@lamarco18]

​@@SolidSnake240 you sure about that?

[@TitusPrime1995]

45:33 That caught me off guard. For a second, I thought Pat and Suzi were talking at the same time. 😂😂

[@TheVector119]

I was listening to this on my way to work and nearly swerved into a different lane when solarian pat voice happened

[@gunzkiller101]

The back down has never been more real than before.

[@damonsghost9235]

The verbal equivalent of the Korean back dash.

[@chadrageus]

Oh cool the sphere hunter is on the podcast! Yay!

[@kvltovpersonality6290]

I think more than anything, this shows to wait for all the facts, at least when it comes to scenarios like this. As believable as Hellena's initial story was (and, honestly, how poorly Kamiya & PG handled the backlash), in time it made a COMPLETE 180 and now the truth has been revealed. Funny enough, if Hellena decided to be honest from the get go, this would be a very different discussion, about legacy characters and whether or not VAs are paid a reasonable wage for the work they do. Instead, this became a slap fight of epic proportion. What I do love is that because of this drama, Bayo 3 is going to do BETTER than it would've done otherwise. So I guess thanks Hellena

[@mthsdcs]

Tfw both Dante and Bayonetta have their most iconic voice actors turn out to be fucking nuts

[@Longfang91]

...I may have missed Langdon going nuts. Dare I ask?

[@CerberusMalt]

wait what about Dante?

[@regalia8717]

@@Longfang91 ​ He’s been a wild conspiracy nut for years now. As I recall it used to be more tame stuff like UFOs and that kind of thing but recently it’s been full blown virulent anti vax shit. Haven’t checked his socials in a while but it was a trip (Edit: ok I just checked again and he’s also a crypto bro…)

[@leithaziz2716]

@@Longfang91 He seems to be an anti-vaxer and a conspiracy theorist from what I understand?

[@Longfang91]

@@leithaziz2716 Jesus Christ. Thanks for clarifying.

[@zachdanielsgaming]

Honestly don't think Kamiya is even a little bit in the wrong. I'm really curious how tolerant you all would be to having thousand people per hour angrily tweeting to you in a language you barely understand, being harassing and accusing you of shit you haven't done wrong.

[@PrattlingPyre]

And then you find out about the causes hellena supports and realize oh so she is just crazy

[@sworddomo1951]

When samurai Jack's bayo drama request "extra thick!"

[@ArcCaravan]

Good ol' Aku.

[@popump2617]

I don't know why, but when pat pitch shifted his voice I legitimately thought he and Suzy were somehow talking at the same exact time.

[@TrllyToys]

45:32 Jesus that sounded like Pat and Suzi were talking at the same time in perfect sync