Bayonet Mounting Options For Free Float Handguards

[@Brent0331]

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[@keeftaylor834]

How to tell if someone is a Marine: In 2023 they make a youtube video of how to mount a bayonet on a free float handguard for a modern AR platform. Not a Eotech attachment or laser/light attachment to your AR video...a bayonet attachment video! Brent, Bless you for your service. Thank you for your youtube content. I especially enjoy your historical content.

[@anusblaster8671]

Yeah. If it was the best option available I expect that bb gun could be a useful tool with the right attachments. 20 shots per second at a bare face, and a big metal spike. An aggressor cant hurt you if he cant see you.

[@watchmanonthewall2151]

But, Brent "You will get laughed out of the team room talking about bayonets!" said that one guy lol I'm a bayonet appreciator. Thanks for the video!

[@KawaiiKommando]

It would be great to see if a company like Ballistic Dummy Labs would supply one of their ballistics gel torsos for some bayonet testing to compare different mounting options! It would be interesting to see the stability of a standard mounting option with the correct barrel length compared to the loose setup with the 16" carbine. It would also give you a chance to go to town with the Geissele mount haha

[@t-5538]

thats sounds like a good idea except the zombie torsos at least are $1,995

[@resolute123]

Actually, that's quite clever. I assume that going free handguards means to give up something. Glad the free market is able to provide.

[@brandonmatias5320]

I still like the front post, some slim gas blocks are pinned some are not, but front sight post is guaranteed

[@dipaolodarius27]

for those who have a 16 inch barrel carbine AR, APG Defense makes an extender to the original lug so your bayonet won't rattle and it'll be seated correctly

[@jamestollett4568]

Just ordered their extender yesterday!

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

Good stuff! I've seen one or two other options for Bayonet attachment units out there, but there definitely aren't very many on the market. Other ones are: - APG Defense Universal Bayonet Mount - DPMS Clamp-on Bayonet Lug (I believe a couple of other manufacturers have similar designs floating around out there too)

[@shoottothrillphotoWI]

Cogburn Arsenal does a shit-tonne of bayonet mounting solution, also.

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

@@shoottothrillphotoWI Oh that's right!!! I don't see their stuff often so I forget about them lol.

[@PhoenixBlaze1776]

Dropping the knowledge as always DJ💪👍😆

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

@@PhoenixBlaze1776 'ol boy there had a good mention too heheh, just doing my part 😁🤣💪

[@Chris_FMS_Redfield]

If you have enough exposed barrel, you can get a bayonet mount pinned on the barrel. If you have a lot of exposed barrel you can even use an A2 front sight with a free-float rail. As far as using a bayonet with a suppressor, you would need a long and thick handguard that extends past the barrel, a slim suppressor, and one of those rail mounts.

[@thomaskeshel3874]

Kinetic development group could make a great option with how fast their mlok Qd system works. You could remove/attach the whole assembly in one go with no added bulk when you aren’t using the bayonet.

[@gregsmall5939]

The Belgian FAL tubular bayonet ($9 from SARCO) is designed to fit on a NATO standard 22mm, grenade launching muzzle device. IE the milspec flash hider on an AR-15. It indexes on the gas rings on the flash hider. That's what the grooves are for. It fits. I've tried it.

[@060racing8]

One should also consider that striking with the muzzle can be fairly effective removing the chicom's teeth with an A2 bird cage

[@Taker1317]

I am amazed at how informational you channel is. I bought a M7 bayonet after that bayonet video you did two months ago. My question is does anyone know how to mount a M7 sheath to a molle vest?

[@Brent0331]

You should be able to buy a surplus USGI molle to ALICE adaptor that also has two M1910 eyelets on it.

[@roundrock63]

You got to love the Marine mindset!! The bayonet will never be obsolete.

[@lesliepaulkovacs6442]

If you want to go with the Classic F marked Front Sight and have the right barrel length, there are replacements that have the Bayonet lug that’s NOT ground off. Takes a little Gunsmithing, but it’s an option. I believe that Midwayusa sells them for well under $50. Hope this helps.

[@TheScottishSpartan]

The British Army adopted the ISTEC bayonet adapter for use on the Sharpshooter DMR. I've never used it but I was pretty surprised it was even a consideration for it when it gets used.

[@FunkyPertwee]

Bayonet fighting has been criminally neglected here during the rise in interest in hand weapons. I do wish there were more options for AR bayonets.I wish Cold Steel made a bayonet versions of their leatherneck series.

[@yfelwulf]

Bayonet fighting 😂 last time I heard of it used was a single UK soldier who found himself in sticky situation. Pun intended even in WW1 it rarely occurred.

[@FunkyPertwee]

@@yfelwulf I think Brent would disagree. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnu3e2CPiK6craMsi=Mrs5vuYHm_qFIl8F

[@iankelly3479]

Coldsteel should make a bayonet 👍

[@blackpowderriflehunter7573]

The M4, M6, and M7 bayonets are based on the M3 trench knife and have benefits when soldiers are trained in Fairbairn, Sykes, and Rex Applegate methods.

[@ArmouredProductions]

I definitely want to see Cold Steel try their hand at a Bayonet.

[@mauropellegrini8085]

Hello from Brazil. The video and some subsequent comments were very helpful. I am one of those guys who wants to have bayonets on all my military and SHTF long arms, including my home defense pump shotgun. Brazilian army doctrine is that bayonets are psicological and crowd control weapons, forget enemy paratroopers... They are useful to keep integrants of a mob at bay. You advance on them with a bayonet set, and they instinctively back up. Also very useful to contain prisioners. On both situations, it will also prevent people to jump and grab your barrel. If it doesn't, as you instinctively move back, they'll grab the blade. Last but not least, in a SHTF situation, you must have a knife on your kit, then why not make it do double duty as a bayonet? My Buck 188/M9 bayonet has the nicest survival scabard, with place for a mini survival kit, wire cutter, built in sharpening stone and other tools. Even on 1st world countries like yours, the most likely SHTF scenario is civil unrest, as you recently had. Rather than enemy paratroopers, your real enemy will most likely be your "fellow citizen". Use your bayonet so you don't have to use your rifle...

[@herknorth8691]

I recall there being a clamp-on bayonet mount back in the day. Can't remember who made it. If you have a 16" stick with lots of barrel exposed beyond the handguard, you could also get a M16 style FSB and pin it on the barrel like you would normally, as if you were going to use it for a gas block and then cut/grind off everything but what's needed to mount the bayonet and keep the whole thing on the barrel. That, of course, would require some know-how or for you to take it to someone who can do the work for you. I'm a machinist, so I'm biased! When that Rittenhouse vid came out, it struck me that the angry mob was totally unphased by the line of guys pointing rifles and shotguns at them. I wonder if bayonets would have changed the mob's behavior? At the very least, if one of them tried putting hands on your rifle, you'd have a stabby thing to instantly fight them off with. Maybe you'd even escape the treatment that the corporate press gave Rittenhouse, since that wouldn't be "gunviolence".

[@mnguy98]

I'm 100% convinced that another Kyle Rittenhouse-esque event could be prevented by the addition of a bayonet. Once you add cold steel into the equation, people suddenly get a whole lot more hesitant to charge after you.

[@13andsim]

You remember correctly however I am not sure if it is produced anymore (I'm pretty sure it is not after a fair amount of searching). An M16 style FSB is feasible and this is also an option I have looked at as well. Through my searching I have found a .STL file for 3d printers that had copied the older 2 piece clamp on variant and when I get the time I may look into using / modifying a shaft coupler as the lugs seem to offer the rough profile needed with a minimal amount of material to be removed. Maybe overkill but will be sturdy AF, i figure.

[@homerj109]

This is exactly what I have been waiting for after your last video on bayonets.

[@selaxlife7621]

Great information brother. The last time I had to use a blade in a fight I was standing on a fallen tree over a river used as a bridge. "BILLY! BILLY LET'S GO!"

[@lincolnpascual]

00:02 What, no "KILL!"? 😂😂 17 year old me had a blast with bayonet training. I think I may still be the only private in the world that kung fu kicked a bayonet into the dummy successfully too. Cost me a smoke session and it was a one in a million shot, but I did impress my Drill to the point he turned to the rest of the platoon and said, "What Private Pascual just did was absolutely retarded, and will probably get you killed. But it worked this time, and if it works, it ain't stupid. This is the kind of enthusiasm and creativity I want to see for killing. Private, you earned the rest of the day off in the front leaning rest... let your example go forward for the rest of the class in how it's sometimes better to be lucky than smart. Also, good aim." No regrets.

[@iankelly3479]

My suppressor bayonet solution is. The Yankee Hill Machine Phantom Light Tactical Agressive. 30cal suppressor. It's a suppressor that uses their proprietary Q.D. attachment. It has a very aggressive stand-off on the front. It's like stabbing the enemy with a locksaw blade attached to the front of the suppressor. It's welded together and very durable. It will leave a lasting impression in there face.

[@Celestian_Trader]

The artwork that went into the making of this video is the most impressive part Brent 😂

[@mertmcguire]

It would be nice if there was a rail system that incorporated a folding spike bayonet and cleaning rod already built in.

[@brapgabslab7336]

There is also a third option for those us with carbine length gas systems and carbine length rails. The Cogburnarsenal clamp on bayonet lug. Mine works pretty well

[@tristar-tinker_3706]

I’ve been waiting for this ever since I left my comment on the last video. Great work as always!

[@possumpatrol45]

On a somewhat related note, someone should make a weapon light that mounts using the bayonet lug on a standard FSB.

[@joe6167]

Colt Canada/Diemaco developed the "Tri-Ad Mount" for the Canadian Army as a "discount solution" to the KAC Rail. It clamps around the barrel at the front sight base. I believe BCM makes their own version of the Tri-ad Rail, which might be easier to obtain than waiting for a real one to "fall off the truck"...

[@dJ-rd9wt]

Third option: kitchen knife and duct tape

[@stevejarrell7966]

Cogburn Arsenal makes a two piece clamp on bayonet lug that attaches directly to the barrel. they have several different barrel diameters available.

[@survivaloptions4999]

For the M4 16 inch barrel problem, APG makes a bayonet lug extender.

[@1991aj2]

I've seen that but I wonder about the durability. I have a 16in barrel carbine length gas system. So the bayonet is quite short. Just wonder if it'd be strong enough

[@dus777]

@@1991aj2 , consider a T65 bayonet; longer. Many were liberated from Panama.

[@ericferguson9989]

With the side mounted MLock bracket you can still mount an under barrel launcher. Plus you can slash side to side.

[@deancarr4507]

I'm not sure if they're still available, but HKParts had the USMC M27 bayonet lugs for sale for a while, and I've seen them pop up elsewhere. A simple band around the barrel that gets pinned in, would be permanent, but by far the best option if your handguard does not extend to the end of your barrel.

[@hamie7624]

I imagine you'd have to get the barrel drilled to accept the pin.

[@barrosamuec3883]

Hi Brent. Nice video Would you kindly share why in your opinion most cqb scenarios don't recommend running a bayonet? Thanks brother

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

Thanks for the info, great video. Brent, you are a man after my own heart, you make me laugh dude. I think you should do a video on how soldiers maintain their PT while in the field, and how much energy can you devote to that etc.

[@Jupiterxice]

Bayonet training is a lost art that needs come back

[@kevspss]

I have the Geissele one. I think the original customer for it was the Corps. It was made for the ris ll rail.

[@or6060]

there are barrel clamp bayonet lugs. if your handguard is short enough to expose the barrel length required, that could be a good option. or you could cut off a chunk of your handguard like klein machine does with their AR-RPKs to facilitate the use of a bayonet lug on a longer handguard. or you could get a shorter floating handguard and a normal FSP installed.

[@UndeadStalker117]

it seems like the best option for your money is build an AR with the classic midlength gas block front sight combo. You dont need to buy either mount AND you get another AR its a win win

[@redred333]

I appreciate this thorough review, as expected from the Brent. At the end of the day, that bayo is hanging on by those 4 screws in the mlok rail; that's hardly a belt I'd hold my pants up with.

[@RyanLovesReds]

Brent, you are the man. Had me laughing, these videos are always a treat. One day there will be chicom paratroopers here one day….best time to pick up a couple bayonet mounts

[@Alex-1611]

Perfect. Just what I needed. This will be great along with a Pulsefire UBF

[@K37-h1z]

Been looking to add a bayonet mount to mine. Thanx, very helpful

[@eNoble-US]

Super important to note Brent, APG Defense makes solid products for 16” barreled ARs to prevent bayonet rattle, and a Picatinny adapter too for bayonets. It’s immensely cheaper than Geiselle too, recommend you showcase some of their products. I would link it but my last two comments with links got removed.

[@MarineCorpzor1]

1st Mar div vet as well. UPK-D4T Eclipse Talon makes an interesting retractable Bayonet.

[@Myneckofthewoods7]

Hi Brentt.. May I suggest to those who are ingeenier inclined to come up with a collar that would seat behind the flash hidder the collar .. would be at the right distance to allow a carbine length rifle to properly seat a bayonet without the riddle that collar can use one of those screws that would hold the collar in place ...this might work..pls send your army to work on that please lol. Great video

[@reddevilparatrooper]

I saw a tire popper spike bayonet to pop tires to disable cars and vehicles from Tactical Rifleman. It mounts on the barrel like a FN FAL bayonet from the flash suppressor. I always like how the Belgian or Metric style FAL bayonet mounts.

[@neroharo]

Midwest Industries makes free float handguards that go around the standard fixed sight block, it’s a two piece affair, pretty easy install, did it in about 3o minutes

[@No-1.In.Particular]

The Ruger 10/22 is my current home defense long gun. My only gripe is that it seems to have every type of modification available EXCEPT FOR A DAMN BAYONET LUG!!!

[@selaxlife7621]

3:53 so the blade being lower isn't gonna be a factor as I'm using this on my mother in law I mean Chicom paratrooper. Stupid autocorrect.

[@jumbles67]

If the Brits can use bayonets to break taliban lines, and French to take the fight to the Serbs, I’d say they are still a relevant tool. I’m glad there are some options out there for us albeit expensive ones, cool nonetheless.

[@NathanG454]

That’s neat but the only thing I would be worried about is bending your aluminum rail. Do you have to make sure you’ve got a pretty stout one

[@joe6167]

Thanks for this. I've found the lack of bayonet lugs on modern rifles a little bit off putting. For reference sake, check out Colt Canada's C8 offering (I don't know if they are merely proposals or if they are actually making them for militaries), but they use Colt Canada's ""MMR" monolithic upper (an updated M-lok version of the IUR upper which used picatinney rail), and still includes a bayonet lug on the barrel.

[@paulzimmerman3895]

Great info. Appreciate passing that along. I think its a good option to have.

[@JayBlanco11C]

I have a couple chicory paratroopers I keep in the shed outback, you should have asked I would loan you one

[@GruntProof]

Awesome

[@skywalker8461]

"but can you lift a chicom paratrooper in the air with it?" "ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT!"

[@awsomedude9111]

Maybe a Flash light style extension mount for your bayonet over the suppressor. I didn’t know about the Sig bayonet mount.

[@farmerwayne1404]

Nice, Brent! Now someone needs to make a really long blade for the mounting system. Or a blade for the 16" Barrel. Ty....

[@dus777]

T65 bayonet, there are some out there; from Panama

[@farmerwayne1404]

@dus777 Cool. They look great! Thanks man...

[@Patrick-od2zc]

Is there a short bayonet that will fit to F marked front sight 14.5 mid length gas system barrel with a extended A2 flash hider? I have a BCM upper like this that I want a bayonet on. Great video Brent👍🏻👍🏻

[@stickfighter1038]

Might have to get one of the Sig MLOK mounts

[@Katurodrake]

6:43 Oooo Daniel Defense. Yeah that's a really nice rifle you got there.

[@TAVAAR7]

Saw this not long after you posted it, came back to comment seeing if you'd gotten any test time using these mounts. If you have, how'd they hold up?

[@VictorGee]

Another picatinny option is the Universal Bayonet Mount by APG Defense. It is also more reasonably priced than the Geissele.

[@metal_slug7729]

Great video.

[@mertmcguire]

Instead of making an adapter somebody should produce a new style of bayonet.

[@mattfleming86]

Absolutely. Something simple that will quarter-turn lock into mlok. Could even be a simpler style spike or something lighter weight.

[@sandsock]

Problem is it needs a different a2 long flash hider. It needs a skirt or shroud to fit over the barrel a 1/4-3/8 of a inch.

[@mertmcguire]

@sandsock how about a bayonet that attaches to a muzzle device just like a suppressor?

[@sandsock]

@@mertmcguire you could bend your barrel with out the xtra support, really easly. or just make a differnt style bayonet . enough electrician s tape would even stop the rattle. but we are talking 2 problems. carbine that is capable, but rattles or barrel with no options.

[@ericferguson9989]

You can use the gap between blade and barrel to catch the other fellow's blade. Just a thought.

[@dus777]

This clearly needs a follow up, with testing, and more options, and checking zero; oh, my! This will be a series playlist... Are they grunt proof? Do they hold up to Marine training? So many questions!

[@noneofyourbusiness43]

I have a bayonet lug adapter on a rifle, its solid aluminum but sometimes I wonder about the durability. I mean I saw a Drill Sergeant break a rubber duck in two or three pieces demonstrating the bayonet assault course and I don't think my hand guards look much tougher.... should probably just concentrate on building cardio back up anyway, gear's no good if you are too gassed out to carry it.

[@rodog504]

get a midwest industries fsb ff rail or criterion makes one as well. if you dont like the fsb you can get ones that fold down still.

[@robertharper3754]

There is also a 3D printed option that uses a Glock field knife. It's on my list to print, but it's such a long list! 😢

[@shortridecowboy]

APG defense makes a bayonet lug extender that works great

[@Minuteman4Jesus]

I also have a Cogburn Arsenal bayo lug mounted to my Ruger 10/22, just for laughs! But it still fits!! LOL 😆

[@eamonnkernahan4183]

I watched the bayonet video a week or two ago and was pondering this very question

[@SpectreDM]

I have the Super Stabby on my bedside MCX, just as the founders intended.

[@kellyjune1931]

This might be a bit mad, I'm not experienced with rifles but, would an Sa80 socket bayonet fit over the flash hider of the M16/M4 ? Aren't they both 22mm? I realise you would have to have a similar flash hider to the Sa80 with a notch under the flash hider in order for the Sa80 bayonet catch to engage but, you'd have a bayonet that will have no part of the blade obstructed by the barrel - the whole blade available to stab. It'd literally be stuck on the end of the barrel. So obviously, you'd have to buy an new flash hider and Sa80 bayonet but, I'm sure it'd be a cheaper option and anyway, I'm sure the enterprising American firearm industry could make copies. What do you reckon- am I mad! 😂

[@beserkerpatroit1337]

I wish somebody would make a QD MLOK musket-style long spike bayonet

[@jc-rq8or]

I would just get a new barrel with the pinned fsb. Id be paranoid these aluminum attachments would break or break the rail.

[@MM-qm7og]

I love you for this @Brent0331. I built an upper with the War Machine (War Block) pinned rail height steel gas block with lug on a mid length 16". they dont seem to be available anymore but its by best upper.

[@americanmilitiaman88]

Some rails may not hold up to aggressive bayoneting operations. Geissele and im sure RIS 2 or 3 handguards would be ok

[@AnthonyScott_Little_Black_Duck]

Would it work on a KelTec RDB?

[@jeremyweaver7689]

The way I see it, having a bayonet is good because it’s rare for someone to know what it’s like to be shot, everybody on earth has been cut or stabbed by a sharp object at some point in their life and obviously would want to avoid something sharp.

[@11ccom]

The durability "test" would be great.

[@jnw60]

There's another company called cogburn arsenal that makes a clamp on lug. Attaches to barrel around grenade launcher cut out.

[@SemperSometimesProductions]

Back in 2020 i looked at the (geisle/Gizzle whatever) i like the idea of having the bayonet after all better to have it and not need than to need it and not have it, however two things one added weight at the end of the muzzle which id prefer to avoid, two my handguard is key mod (dick towards enemy) My solution is if you cant run a bayonet on your rifle then make sure your Etool is well maintained. I Hope i did good gunny 👍

[@123asap6]

Does make me wonder if one day someone might make a handguard with a build in bayonet mount.

[@actually_a_circle]

We need picatinny bayonet units instead of adapters. They should function like the spike bayonets for the smle no4

[@davidthornburg7810]

Let me know if you think this is a good idea. Just get a picatinny-style gas block turn it upside down, slide it to your perfect adjustment and lock it in place

[@jeffjag2691]

Does an old M1 fit? It would fix your length issues. 😂

[@currahee556]

Smokey and the bandit is underrated.

[@roccosfondo8748]

Why the target on the right looks like a Carabiniere?

[@walkercustoms]

Thank you

[@PROFESSIONALCRASHOUT]

Im trying to mount one on a maverick 88

[@blackpowderriflehunter7573]

Americans are just not a knife culture. Most don't want to use a bayonet even when it's beneficial.

[@StGene22494]

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that no one makes a free-float handguard with a built-in bayonet lug.

[@alphonsotate2982]

Just make a picatinny handle M7 bayonet like I have DIY BUILT fit and look good and it fit close to the barrel

[@viper_3211]

Thanks for this video Brent0331.

[@josephahner3031]

There's enough sticking out on the bayonet at the 5 minute mark to get your point across. Of course more is better but 2½ inches of getting stabbed in the chest is more than enough to produce lethal results in most circumstances.

[@manuelmunoz921]

Hello Brent 👋🏼

[@luketimmer6108]

They make free float rails that work with a2 sights.

[@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill]

Looks like at one time, a company by name of Triple R Products LLC made a extension for the lugs on 16". Not sure if that still exists. If someone finds that, let me know. Looks like there were some extended bayonets for 16" barrels too, I've seen pictures of them, but not finding a maker. After looking a bit I see it may of changed names, and is called APG defense for this lug extension for 16" barrel m4. I spoke of two other options, and never gave a link, and got a warning for my comment, and YT says they removed my comment. I assume they are talking about those comments, as it never showed me a example.

[@notlisted-cl5ls]

bayonetting an alphabet boi after you cap his ass sends a nice message.