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[@vibesbot6690]

Sara Davies is such a great replacement for Jenny, she actually makes deals to people!!

Jenny made deals and offers. Quite a bit actually. Get off the bandwagon.

[@harishsubramanian1241]

3 offers out of a 100 entrepreneurs is not what I'd call "Quite a Bit".

@@harishsubramanian1241 Where did you pull that from?

[@paulenedinning5166]

@@harishsubramanian1241 I prefer Sara , Jenny is a bit of a .cold 🐟 🤔🤭🤭😳

[@harishsubramanian1241]

From wikipedia : Jenny Campbell built up a reputation of not making an investment in any business on the show, despite eventually investing in hemp skincare producer Carun UK, truck advertising firm Driven Media and also investing in energy switching service Look After My Bills. Where did you pull your argument from? Hopefully not from where the sun don't shine?

[@aworldofpureimagination914]

Sara Davies makes such a change from Jenny Campbell, not rude and puts a much better atmosphere in the den. Glad they accepted her

[@ludwigwittgenduck3282]

lol can tell you're a geordie

[@BobbyTMF]

She’s almost the complete opposite of Jenny it’s great. She’s so passionate and is there to invest.

[@tafadzwatenga]

@@ludwigwittgenduck3282 ,

[@securoserv1405]

She's greedy

[@christopher7804]

@@ludwigwittgenduck3282 how can you tell

[@Totally2d]

Am I the only one who goes "YES!!!" when you stumble onto an episode that has Sara Davies in it?

[@adam-yk6yd]

I wish there was a filter for just her appearances

[@joker8bp745]

@@adam-yk6yd there is Search 'sara davies, dragon's den' there you go...

[@therealm00theoriginal27]

imo yes you are

[@joker8bp745]

@@therealm00theoriginal27 probably him and a few more. Just a few. Yeah she's good, welĺ spoken, comes off as a genuinely good person but definitely not someone so amazing and unique to go "Yessss" like this guy.

[@bijikedelai]

If you watch the one from BBC channel you mostly get Sara Davies episodes. But if you watch it from Dragon's Den own channel you only get the old episodes.

[@evarinze]

Touker: "Just before you make up your mind, I will also include free office space in London as part of my offer". 😀😀😀

[@stealthattack2209]

Hahaha I was wondering why he did not bring that up.

[@evarinze]

@@stealthattack2209 he kind of did that.

[@fnk101]

Ha ha ha ha

[@sizomahlangu5938]

His a classic

[@ThehomelanderDXB]

Haha

[@toddchilds653]

I started my nursing career in aged care. I’ve seen the elderly trip and fall on furniture, and no nurse ever forgets the sound of an elderly person, or any person really, who’s skull hits the ground from a fall, **smack**, it’s gut wrenching. If I could invest in this product, I would, it will save lives in a number of ways, ie trip hazard, infection risks, etc. I wish you both all the best.

[@TheKreyzol]

You wish them all the best, but I guess, you are out...? Oh, sorry. I thought it's Jenny's speech. Have a great day :)

[@russyraiwalui5851]

Ughh😥😥

[@davidthomas3648]

@@TheKreyzol derp

[@lepetitchat123]

It's just like that stowaway table on the plane if you sit on the first row

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

Everyone had become acquainted with the same gut wrenching sound when a policeman pushed over that unarmed elderly protestor and cracked his skull on the concrete pavement, causing his ears canals to bleed. You could hear the cringing sound of the skull cracking over the commotion from across the street. I admire anyone nobly working in any age care facility. If we don't die prematurely or don't have family support, our last years are reliant on their expertise and quality care.

[@theovolz3073]

The Dragons tell them how great and realistic their low valuation is, before proceeding to gouge them for 2.5x and 3.5x what they were offering.

[@samoday2992]

They know they have to basically build the business from the ground up . 75% of a business and have someone with links is a pretty good thing for basically a start up with zero sales .

[@route573]

I can’t believe 3 dragons thought it would not be a profitable business. Peter asked ( where do you go when you’ve sold to all the care homes ) since it’s so well made. Peter was only thinking of the UK market. I live in Japan and worked for a company that has HUGE care homes. The type of care homes that charge thousands per month to have your loved ones in. This product would be so welcomed here. Not only in the care homes, these people here would buy 2 sets per person, one for the care homes and one for their private homes for when their elderly loved ones came to visit.

[@notrecyborg5492]

I doubt that very much, why would you put this in your home just for the rare times your elderly ones come to visit, it's ugly and unappealing, also that doesn't happen in the UK, once you're in a care home you don't 'go to visit' anywhere.

[@rhythmdroid]

Touker: Would you like to use some of my office space as a care home?

[@adam-yk6yd]

Sara Davies is fantastic. Breath of fresh air for the show

[@Stardust201208]

To be honest, I would like to buy one for my home. They could make a lot of money in the U.S. the price needs to be adjusted though.

[@jay-xj1om]

I'd love a wooden one.

[@harveyrng2706]

jay eww

[@michaelmillis9772]

I agree, I think they could also make them for people who are living at home, both in the U.K. and internationally. The world has an ageing population and I think they do have quite a big potential market

[@FriendlyNeighbourhoodSpidey]

Of course, its a perfect product for obese americans to eat food all day without having to stand up from the sofa

[@harveyrng2706]

Friendly Neighbourhood Spidey 😂

[@ronmiller9212]

When Sara Davies speaks , you can feel it .

[@fawazshahul7152]

fat joke?

[@sen4744]

@@fawazshahul7152 perhaps a 3.5 on the richter scale

[@MonacoSpeed]

I live in Japan, and have worked with one of the leading age care companies in the country. Sometimes the dragons only look at their local markets. Here, care for the elderly is a HUGE business, since we have the oldest population on the planet.

[@robinviegas6989]

Sarah Davies is way too underrated. If I had the opportunity, would have picked her eyes closed

[@kuling12345]

Where is the bidding WAR? They made 1 offer each, and the couple accepted the lowest equaty offer on the table. Another click bait and once again I fall for it

[@TechGamesAU]

“Sarah we’d....” AAAAAYYYY WELL DONE

[@stookinthemiddle]

"...we'd like to thank you for your offer but we've decided to take Touker up on his offer instead..." "AAAYYYYY-oh. okay."

[@mzaalam]

I love how touker is always so happy for the other dragons when they ruthlessly undercut him!

[@69Phuket]

Toucker is a Wick...He enjoys the others. He's got enough Baloney in the Bank!

[@cameronwallis7024]

This invention looks exactly like the hideaway tables at each chair in the lecture theatres when I was at university over 12 years ago. Same mechanism

[@MorriganSlayde]

We lost so many laptops to that desk. It was the curse of Z411

[@kuling12345]

What about airplane hideaway tables, I don't see anything new about this

[@ceeleegee825]

@@kuling12345 That's exactly what I was thinking. Nothing really new about this

[@ishmyboy]

@@kuling12345 How is this even remotely similar to aircraft tables?

[@murrmac]

@@ishmyboy Alex Logan was thinking back to the time he used to fly with Charles Lindbergh ...

[@salmanlawal9289]

10,000 for 10% this is by far the lowest money asked at the Den

[@Site17]

Yet they still lowball.

[@mmastereve519]

You discussed that, that isn't about the money, it's the contacts they were looking for ; 1 cheap manufacturer, 2 get it to every care home and plus. They even said they have extra money to Put in their business.

[@lizclegg7556]

This isn't the first time Peter has complained about lack of built-in obsolescence in a product. It really says something about his values and what his businesses sell.

[@scottstorchfan]

Liz Clegg true words!

[@jrbs]

Yet he's probably wearing John Lobb shoes which last a lifetime!!!

[@YuToobVideos]

When in business, unfortunately, you are required to leave your morals, ethics, and compassion at home if you want to succeed in capitalism. #SadButTrue

[@scottstorchfan]

YuToobVids eh no you’re not.

[@TomorrowWeLive]

how's Nick doing? Havent heard from him in a while...

[@hannuhell]

Sarah Davies is the boss. She is awesome. Just great judgement and authority. What a pleasant replacement to Jenny.

[@Magda1497]

Lmfaooo when Touker said 35% the camera zoomed in on the Mrs like a bollywood movie 😂😂 (edit - timestamp 7:10

[@MrSuchasoorma]

Hahahaha I can't unsee it hahahah

[@TitusJudah]

Lmfao good spot

[@sloppynyuszi]

There was no bidding war. It was three dragons pulling a Jenny and were out, and two kinda crappy offers. 10k and 25% they values the business at 40k? Almost insulting.

[@v4vendetta37]

to be honest I dont think thats insulting the dragons are buying into a concept that hasn't even been fully proven on the market, theres no POs so far and no financial history showing that this item will sell the dragon is going to have to do a whole lot of work to get the cost down and to find a manufacturer to produce the product, bring it to market etc.

[@bagelbaker411]

The entrepreneurs knew what they were doing. They weren’t after a dragon’s money, but just their expertise and involvement.

[@mack7963]

I gaurantee if you were giving 10,000 of your own money to someone you didnt know for something that was a potential risk you wouldnt make a statement like that. Which explains why they are successful business people and youre commenting on youtube videos.

[@reecegg]

@@mack7963 when you have that much money and seen some of the other investments they've made then yes they would still be making that statement

[@10wanderer]

I WOULD OFFER THEM 80K FOR 30% I ain,t stealing !!

[@SirCyril11]

"With all due respect, we all have teams" go Sarah.

[@karenlawler373]

Could this be attached to a regular modern chair and be used as a computer/tablet desk in small spaces like college dorms I wonder? The design could itself be used for other environments not just care homes.

[@Dataprovider]

Bravo, brilliant idea

[@TomorrowWeLive]

I'm sure desks like this have been around for ages-I've seen variations on them at my uni and workplace. Pretty crap tbh. If you don't have enough weight on the tray or lean on it wrong, it falls back to the side. I'm not in the UK though.

[@lino2495]

i swear this has been used in university lecture halls for years

[@fliptoptable]

Great experience. It’s incredibly nerve wracking to pitch in front of those dragons. Sara is lovely and was a good choice. She is genuinely a caring person.

[@surendra199999]

I hope you guys achieved what you were looking for

[@bobbywjch]

Even the music turned epic when Sara started to speak

[@vishalvasudev4668]

If peter is not investing , Deborah won’t invest too, most of the times and they always like to partner.

[@adz4681]

Not really I’ve seen them invest even if the other did more than when both of them make offers🤦‍♂️

[@jamest3336]

School / Uni classrooms and lecture halls have had these for years

[@Andrew-ud7nu]

A very clever pitch. Low investment ask but in return gets priceless manufacturing and marketing expertise. Great foresight in taking that approach. One of the best pitches in terms of realism and restraint by owners and their respect for the abilities of the apex entrepreneurs in the Den.

[@perishingtardis]

Uhh, my university has had chairs with a foldaway desk exactly like this for years!

[@aconcernedcitizen6056]

Why was your university not here pitching then?

[@kapioskapiopoylos7338]

@@aconcernedcitizen6056 because every university already has those, and they are already made by the tons in china so...

[@saraljoshi1]

Yes but these are sofa chairs. So old people can sit, while enjoying benefits of a pushable table.

[@biscuit4259]

Tej always looks so unwell and knackered

[@stevieblair]

Haven't pressed play yet but guessing Jenny's out? Touker has a vacant office space?

[@v1kku]

Touker's acquired some office space in China.

[@jacquesregan]

One of the best yet. Fantastic stuff!

[@PaulStewartAviation]

Such a lovely couple!

[@ludwigwittgenduck3282]

lol you would say that though wouldnt you

[@caitlinlindsay8418]

What do you mean? They are a lovely couple! Such a weird comment....

[@PaulStewartAviation]

@@caitlinlindsay8418 it's pretty self explanatory. Use Google Translate if you're struggling.

[@katymorgan1691]

I would have this in my home and I’m not in a “home” yet.

[@helencoven]

Same here!I would have one at my chair in the sitting room, one in the loo and maybe one next to my bed!🙂

[@terrav6983]

@@helencoven One in the loo??? Madness

[@caitlinlindsay8418]

Loveliest couple on the den ☺️

[@daveh7235]

These flip top gives me PTSD from writing exams in university.

[@kuldeepkaushik3144]

OMG thank you for putting that in words

Brilliant pitch, superb show of the materials, and a great decision in the end! I loved it!

[@energetic23]

Tej never invest untill peter valuates....he isn't entrepreneur, he is inheriterance.

[@IRCW]

Loved this episode great invention amazing people❤️

[@TonyBaXxX]

Damn i like Sarah. So genuine and positive, bring a new light to the Den!

[@eddiediesel9035]

Nice one Sara. Their reaction in the elevator was priceless.

[@naidol777]

Debra is so sneaky. She knows she can't make money out of this but cannot be frank like Peter. So she squirms out of it by saying she doesn't know how to add value.

[@leesnedd5521]

Must be hard in jenny's household, even though there's a lockdown, she keeps going out!

[@kalo2810]

This already existed in the front row seats in airplane economy cabins lol

[@absarahmed5695]

If Sara was my chick I would die for her she has a beautiful heart and omgggg her smile she is so adorable I can’t 😭😭💜💜💜

[@Haywood-Jablomie]

She's really pretty

[@aberzvideo2285]

I can see there could be quite a few upgrade-add on they could sell for this amazing care equipment. For starter, a telescopic/foldable tube to hang IV bags. Or a wireless “bell” kit that help the patients notify the care givers when they need help. So many things you can slap on to the base of this equipment

[@tommyh.2545]

Peter basically saying a good quality product is not worth selling

[@VanlifewithAlan]

Very refreshing on the value of the 'idea', I have not seen all DDs but I gone through quite a few on KZbin and I think that is about the most realistic valuation I have seen. (There was one on Australian Shark Tank who offered a stake in his business for a crate of beer and another wanted AUD10.) I think I would have tried to do a deal with both of the dragons who showed an interest.

[@firstlight7419]

I would have bought this for my mother at home in a heart beat

[@The_Candyman86]

WAS WAITING FOR TOUCKER TO BRING UP HIS OFFICE SPACE IN LONDON lmAO. WHAT A GREAT LOVELY COUPLE. HOPE THEY GET A LOT OF SUCCESS.

[@YTGhostCensorshipCanSuckMe]

nothing like this on the market... except on every single airline.

[@flick22601]

We had seats in college with tables attached that folded down similar to that.

[@elsabegelderblom1354]

I want one to eat dinner infront of TV

[@leeannelisha1378]

wow! Amazing!!!!

[@overbuzzy]

I love sara Davies. such a nice lady

[@masonseymour8887]

Nothing like this in the market? Aint this the same thing u used to sit on in exams and shit

[@kapioskapiopoylos7338]

yeah

[@imluvinyourmum]

I think this guy is selling the retro-fit version though. So he's specifically targeting old ppl who need an armchair fitted lol.

[@kdmc40]

Why should this be limited to care homes? My mother live at home until the day she dies and I would have bought one of these for her.

[@jojokoko1569]

The lower the evaluation, the more “sensible” lol

[@gerardszwec1289]

Booster la libido

[@lynnemorgan3808]

This appears to be the same idea that I've used for years at training venues...a 'table' that swings up from the side of a chair. I'm not sure this a new idea.

[@dsfsdfsddf]

I can't believe any of them where out. It's only 10k, nothing to them. Take a punt!

[@outdoorsyaaron]

Isnt this how some airline stowaway trays work? Is it application in care home sector?

[@peauntbutterxboy93]

Aaron or a school table desk

[@ThehomelanderDXB]

Likeable people always win.

[@jameshays947]

Beautiful and brilliant!

[@UTubeTulip]

Touker 'Textiles Outsourcing Office-Space-in-London Doesn't-get-out-of-bed-for-2%' Suleyman

[@tobsstone]

This is not only useful in care homes

[@jonathanm2690]

8:15 ohhh there it is the T.S offices

[@COLLEGEKID300]

Touker Suleyman has no poker face 🤣

[@kevin20809]

Shout out from Sri Lanka 😊

[@captainenaad9579]

I think this is good for school canteen, children at home, office canteen etc..

[@MrArcgabriel]

Great idea!

[@anthonyford2894]

Does anyone else think that Peter Jones does not look well?

[@RealityCheck6T9]

yeah we all think that

[@brettwilkinson9529]

He shook hands with Boris only 10 days ago

[@aconcernedcitizen6056]

@@brettwilkinson9529 hilarious....

[@sid3549]

Yeh he's got snobofialia

[@RajdeepSinghBhatia]

Yeah he is suffering from ligma

[@RelatedAddict]

Should’ve tried to get both to go in together

[@40avo]

I will never understand the entrepreneurs who don’t try to negotiate You have absolutely nothing to lose by trying to negotiate a better deal

[@jugular911]

you could easily lose a dragon or they might see you unfavourably later on. definitely a lot to lose by asking for a better deal.

[@SachaKDrums]

True, I think some dragons high ball them just to make sure they’re not suckers and actually have negotiating skill, which can be as valuable as any idea/product.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

@J B Dragons nearly always go for a reasonable price, because they don't want the entrepreneur to back out or another investor to outdo them. That's capitalism.

[@CrossoXoHair]

The guys went on from this to create Jenga Go, a new twist on a beloved past time.

[@KiwiRussman]

Music is very refreshing in this one

[@shazimmohdzin2001]

It's clear that the manufacturing cost was not an actual issue in their pricing...

[@dunstondiaz]

Debra won’t be beyond it for too long, she will need one of them tables soon enough 🤣🤣🤣

[@realtalk6195]

BBC, the description is wrong. It has the name of a different entrepreneur pitch, not this one.

[@sandymclean9630]

Awesome Nz 🌵🌵

[@mikewhite2230]

Why did they not ask about patents? Surely this can be replicated by anyone

[@fliptoptable]

mike white there are patents on it. This was edited out of the final cut

[@asiffarooqui6789]

@@fliptoptable you guys were nothing short of fantastic. I sincerely wish you all the best in the future x

[@fliptoptable]

Asif Farooqui thank you so much.

[@socat9311]

The wife is full of excitement

[@sayakchoudhury9711]

We have these in our colleges/schools/universities

[@beezito]

Really nice design. Would honestly buy myself xD. Also love that these guys are so caring, never know when something like this can happen to you so its reassuring to see people like this who actually care for people in need

[@Michelle-pc6gp]

HELLO Peter - wear and tear, in 3 years many will need replacing 🙄 and it’s not just care homes. Both sets of my grandparents would want one of these - each (4). My mum would too. Peter is being too narrow minded

[@vatsalparikh633]

Touker has got the Least Amount of Offers Accepted By Entrepreneurs in the Den 😂

[@yashtrivedi1862]

Peter is straightforward and right dragon

[@jessebella9322]

I dunno if my granddad made one for my nan but she had one just like this, and that was 30 years ago. Im sure I saw these around back then, but she most certainly had one, I remember it well because I liked using it when she wasnt in her chair and pretending I needed it lol. I saw these often though elsewhere too, im sure of it.

[@locazahra]

They shouldn't limit themselves to care homes. This product has a bigger market. I'd buy it, it can even double as a laptop desk

[@anneliseromine1161]

Is the height of the table adjustable? What about patients who can't get out of bed to eat and need to stay in their hospital beds to eat?

[@SilvaaFabio]

Goddamn Sara was actually such a breath of fresh air into the den.

[@MrPavePaws]

79 pounds to build them. What's the retail? How do they attach? Will homes buy them for every chair? Can they be made in different sizes to accommodate different chairs? *note how the end rests on the left arm just a wee bit? Prefer an extra two inches (●THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID●) for more security. If the user leans onto the table or falls forward onto it, prefer it be stabilized by the left arm. Shit, I'd buy one for my moms chair at home. And one for me...biscuits and tea while watching Tele would be nice.

[@anthonydavies9850]

No one really cares mate

[@yasarkarim4180]

Jenny would have snaped this of theirs hands with a ` IM OUT ' lol

[@SlinkiestTortoise23]

Sara’s due with all respect! Deborah hates that!

[@jamesnoel5280]

It a problem IG they can't remember how to use it

[@lancealex382]

More a bidding happening, than bidding war

[@susanwaugh3885]

They couldn’t have asked them to make a joint offer

[@TheCrenshaw1991]

"I have already made an offer this season so I'm out" - Jenny

[@c.e.7589]

Was funny to see Deb going to try it first :)))))