Arguing the case for gay conversion therapy - Victoria Derbyshire

[@susaanmlend8148]

Disrespect gets us nowhere. Respectfully and peacefully doing things get us places.

[@crossroads670]

Gay conversion therapists could easily prove it’s real by sending their ‘converted men’ to a brain scan lab and measuring their reaction to images of men vs women. Nicolosi refused to send his ‘ex gays’.

[@crossroads670]

​@Chromulous - Brain scans can easily measure someones reaction to erotic stimuli or photos. That is what I am talking about. You can see how a brain responds to what it finds attractive or not with remarkable accuracy. That's how you'd test if they'd changed.

[@tonybennett4159]

During the Viet Nam war, many draft dodgers tried every trick in the book. Because of the military's attitude toward gay men in the armed forces, many people claimed to be gay. The army set up a penile plesmograph test where the genitals were linked to devices that could measure even the slightest response. Pornographic images were then shown and each person's reaction noted. It may have been a little crude and maybe not 100% effective, but the military was happy that it did the job. Modern techniques are far more sophisticated and would reach very near to 100% accuracy.

[@edxenvertigo6701]

yes and no there has been many survivors from those conversations if anything it's like the movie jigsaw harming someone in order to do good they usually have to hide themselves for a long time traumatized

[@donquixotedelamancha58]

Oh, yeah because it would be so easy for a psychologist to disrespect his client's confidentiality and send them for brain scans

[@crossroads670]

@@donquixotedelamancha58 um I think if any man actually figured out how to make himself heterosexual, he would want to share it with the world since it's apparently such a great thing in his opinion. Yet no one has ever provided any evidence.

[@rwade4387]

I understand his anger towards this mans harmful way of thinking he can change others, but personal attacks & calling him gay as a goose isn’t a debate.

[@SamSelahManOfGod]

that was my take away from this. he should have done it with a little more grace.

[@huhulala3518]

That's a fair point.

[@jamiemcmullan6890]

but he's gay tho

[@markaplier1261]

I think this gay undercover dude is really non respectfull. Like everything, if someone wants to do whatever(converting or otherwise) they should be allowed to, fuck off dude

[@jamiemcmullan6890]

@@markaplier1261 they're just talking about how he's a complete fraud, not actually stopping anything, so do calm down about this nonsense. Next thing you'll be telling me that we should Legalize rape and murder because otherwise we'd be stopping people from "doing whatever".

[@lanabozoian944]

Ok. I'm bi but the LGBT activist (or something) was VERY DISRESPECTFUL

[@ToxicPea]

@Dan Shivers so would it be disrespectful to call Christians and Conservatives Bigots without having a face to face conversation with them, because that's clearly going under the radar? These people just want religious freedom/free speech.

[@ToxicPea]

@Dan Shivers so if sexuality isn't a choice, does that mean transgender people are liars? Religion is a choice, but if it has logical proof, then I'm just using facts at that point. But of course you believe that facts = bigotry so I guess they're useless.

[@ToxicPea]

@Dan Shivers and let me seep this idea through your skin that you were "NOT BORN THAT WAY." That is a disproven factoid used as a coping mechanism by the LGBTQ to say that their condition is natural, when it is something completely man-made. There is only one biological sexuality, heterosexuality, which is ingrained in our DNA since the moment of conception. There is no gay gene. That was a false construct to aid the LGBTQ in their agenda of normalizing homosexuality. However, you can break and alter the one true sexuality due to outside factors. I'm really happy for you that you have an awesome family and I hope your family remains happy, but you need to know that family isn't the only origin of sexuality alteration. There are many factors involved. Like I said, my friend became pansexual just because society was supporting it, when he was perfectly straight last year. Whatever caused you to alter sexuality must have happened before the age of 3, as does in most cases, which you can't actually remember since you were too young to know. It's definitely there, but I can't tell you what it is exactly. Only a psychologist could possibly figure that out, and in most cases, he/she can't because you don't have any memories of those times. Look, it's not your fault that you're gay, but it is your right to choose to remain gay, or try to change. If being gay makes you happy, then so be it, but I will warn you that majority of LGBTQ people will never feel totally fulfilled. That is your human right to chose, and I accept it because that is your right, but I also have the human right to tell you these "triggering facts" because I have the right to religious freedom, and my Catholic religion tells me to spread the Truth to everyone. Any questions? PS: At least I ain't an Islamic homophobe who would trash talk you all day and night.

[@ToxicPea]

@Dan Shivers you do realize that the you are basing this off animals right? So if I said that cannibalism is ok because Spadefoot toad tadpoles do it too, would you agree with me?

[@ToxicPea]

@Dan Shivers so tell me why this is the first time we've ever seen a gay penguin couple. If the "gay gene" exists, wouldn't have we seen more gay animals in the past. If the gene existed, it should be seen commonly in the living being as that gene would continue to spread among offspring. Wouldn't it make more sense that this relationship of the penguins was caused by an abnormality in their behavioral traits caused by the penguins' environment that just so happened made them gay. Maybe the penguins weren't able to raise any children because most Heterosexual penguins' unions in their first year don't produce offspring, and so leading them to adjust to the situation. Case and point, there is no "gay gene." This is scientific fact, and has been proven time and time again by non-biased scientific organizations, which is also coincidentally supported by religion. Coincidence? I think not. Here's some further reading material if you're interested. www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/10/giant-study-links-dna-variants-same-sex-behavior

[@antielite5379]

Imagine this interview the other way round, the therapist was shouting at someone saying ‘your obviously straight, just admit it’. Bald guy was a disgrace, couldn’t control himself.

[@Breerox108]

Yeah, because there's so many straight people going into conversion therapy to be gay...

[@friedrichnietzsche7736]

"Therapist"

[@mancooutwest44]

Well that was a one sided conversation and interview.

[@cnacma]

“Well that was one sided, should’ve give the child abuser more time”.

[@JUAN_OLIVIER]

@@cnacma - Says the guy with a child abuse flag on its profile.

[@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn]

Douglas Meyer uh-huh, anyone who agrees with something you don’t abuses children, I’m sure. :T

[@cnacma]

SleepDa Mouse No. people who knowingly torture their children and increase their risk of suicide ten fold are child abusers. You can’t just hand wave away abuse because you think it’s fun to abuse children.

[@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn]

Douglas Meyer so what’s with your obsession with accusing people of things they didn’t say?

[@crazychap5329]

Be yourself in life gay or straight.

[@luxzartheglorious]

but I'm a hetrosexual in a homosexuals body

[@stevenhillshow]

this is the best comment i've ever seen omg

[@Sor9ry426]

Can you convert a gay frog?

[@angel-cm3vr]

求敗獨L LMAOOO

[@luxzartheglorious]

Yes

[@aspiknf]

Have you heard of that dude called Jeremy Fisher? he was converted after meeting Mrs. Tiddywinkles

[@princessallie6278]

Yes you can, give them Dasani

[@Richard-vq7ud]

They say you can convert a horny toad.

[@johnwhelan9663]

One of these two people was so heavily invested that he could not listen.

[@thequietroom1471]

So true

[@i_strawberri_judi9225]

Yep. The moderator was crappy, overall. Yes, we see.

[@thevictoriousjh]

If you had a flat earther debating a real scientist, do you think that the scientist would try and listen to what the flat earther had to say?

[@tarquinmidwinter2056]

Only one?

[@jimjohnson1304]

AoEIIIWarsOfMiddleEarth Easiest way to discredit a flat earthier is to let them talk. You have to fully understand someone’s position to be able to disagree, so yea you would have to listen.

[@abigail-du3rv]

Please if anyone is watching this who is "struggling" with homosexuality there is nothing wrong with being gay and I hope you can find happiness in yourself

[@fantasticfrances]

abi gail 💗💗

[@kk440635NORWAY]

Thank you so much. Beeing gay is not a bad thing. Conversion therapy on the other hand is very dangoures, its torture and verbal violence, I wish it will be banned all over the world

[@thequietroom1471]

Hmm I'm sorry but Patrick comes off worse in this, Michael seems more level, knowledgeable & humble... I understand that Patrick feels strongly opposed to what Michael offers, but it's only because he feels his identity is under threat. If your stable in who you are, you don't need to demonstrate such a defensive attitude which, as Michael rightly says, makes for a very unbalanced conversation & assumes from the get go that Michael is an awful person. A lot of bias here. Let's hear both sides & let reason reveal itself, from a balanced & respectful discussion.

[@i_strawberri_judi9225]

Could not agree more. He was very rude and no good at debate or any show of decency or honesty. Absolutely wretched behavior.

[@user-mq3ts7lr9l]

knowledgeable about rugby 😂😂😂😂

[@johnrellcagalawan6772]

That's what we called debate

[@elias3750]

Bein gay or lesbian is not a personal choice OMG.

[@fantasticfrances]

Thank you

[@jordanpeters3746]

What about people who, without therapy, have ceased engaging in same sex activities and formed stable heterosexual relationships ... because they came to experience heterosexual sex as far more satisfying than homosexual sex? Do such people have a right to say: "I used to be gay/lesbian ,,, but I'm now a heterosexual"?

[@serdna565]

That would be sexually fluid or maybe they are more straight than gay from the beginning. In both cases it would not be a decision would be just to be happier in straight relationship. I think the problem overall is intolerance. And there is so much attention paid to sexuality. Not against banning this CT but maybe ensure that people that goes thought it are not forced. And make clear they may not change but just avoid reacting to their basic instincts and that it could do them more harm in the long term. So then they can make a proper choice after getting all the information

[@jordanpeters3746]

@@serdna565 My perception of people who engage in same sex activities is that they can be neatly divided into three categories: Those who are "obviously" gay,/lesbian, etc. Those who engage in such behaviour because of experiences in childhood/early adult life and those who are driven by the desire to manipulate their partners. I have no problem with those of the first category, I feel sorry for those of the second ... and experience those of the third category as people to be very wary of. Their manipulative behaviour manifests itself in other aspects of their relationships with those with whom they associate. Heterosexuals, of course, can also be a real "pain in the neck" when they use "sex" as a weapon to dominate and manipulate others. My wife went to a female only Cambridge University ... and describe the place as being "dominated by senior lesbian officers". Dominant male homosexuals used to be called "Masters" by the gay world.

[@vivianvboettger1567]

I went to therapy and got gayer

[@jamesfletcher5906]

This is so sad that he is so uncomfortable with his sexuality that he's doing this. It's so funny how they say they're straight but never sleep with women. You're not straight your just celibate

[@chrisroberts313]

Some people never recover from being groomed at a young age, also not all people are alcoholic sex pests that need to satisfy their lust.

[@swithinegwuchim481]

The LGBTQ+ guy is not arguing very respectfully tho...

[@lukesworshipgearreviews8171]

To be fair the other man is arguing for a dark-age practice. Bigots don't deserve respect.

[@danielul05]

The moderator is also heavily biased and a joke

[@petersmythe6484]

I am not necessarily against autonomous interdependent adults doing this, But just as a minor cannot consent to a long-term intimate relationship (that will probably have a huge impact on their life), a minor cannot consent to a being forced to be heterosexual and "live the lifestyle" of what that family or counselor dictates (as in dictatorship) is required of them for the rest of their existence, with a burden of guilt placed on them, completely regardless of themselves and their own existence. (9:07 - 19:19) Indeed complex. I generally agree with Patrick Strudwick, but he just can't speak for absolutely every-single "gay" person on the face of the Earth. If it is possible for this independent interdependent autonomous adult whom fully understands what he/she is participating in; I guess that that is fine. Some people insist people like this exist (they are generally very quiet and make an effort to not be known of; but maybe they actually do exist). My personal opinion is the contemporary culture and social attitudes will largely force places like this into being obsolete (just like there isn't a great demand for trepanning [ancient skull drilling medicine]).

[@petersmythe6484]

+Peter Smythe That's not my full comment KZbin error

[@lunarlunatick]

Peter Smythe This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking myself.. if a fully grown Adult wanted to undergo the treatment then they should be allowed to.. I have known of people who have had some serious problems with their sexuality due to religious beliefs and while I personally am not religious and don't personally think its something we need nowadays I know how very important it is to some people and it may seem crazy but there are actually some people who value their religious beliefs OVER their sexuality and would gladly undergo the treatment And should be allowed to live ANYWAY they choose including a religious way isn't that what all this "be who you are" stuff is all about? Let people do what they think is right for them as long as they are full grown adults who choose without cohesion to do the therapy and not teens or small children

[@soumyakanti17]

After listening to the whole debate I'm sympathetic to the therapist. The levels of political correctness is so extreme these days that one can't have any sane discussion about sensitive matters.

[@luxzartheglorious]

I agree with you, I disagree with what his doing but ultimately we should be able to have respectful discourse. In my personal belief one should be able to choose if they'd want to go through something like that.

[@ivangamboa1860]

Man that guy has some serious miss placed beef.

[@pricesymonej]

Lol

[@ArranVid]

Beef curtains, lesbians love beef curtains, nice.

[@ravenclaw783]

Science isn't always right. Right now, it looks like changing your sexual orientation may not be possible, however, science hasn't proven that it is absolutely impossible. I think there should be options for people who wish to change. There isn't anything wrong with researching other possibilities. No one is forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

[@konstantinklein9540]

But that's exactly the problem. There are still many parents, forcing there children to undergo conversion therapy

[@danielj.nickolas]

A dangerous assertion, since science is not in the business of claiming absolutes. Science simply says, here is all the data we've collected about (insert topic). Let's use that information going foward. It has not been "proven" that white people aren't superior to other ethnicities, it's just that all the research points to ethnicity being irrelevant to a person's value to society. Should we nonetheless offer "therapy" that helps non-whites be more white, and cite freedom of choice as our reasoning? We can't ignore current scientific research on the claim that future studies might show different results.

[@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn]

Daniel J. Nickolas yes, because general superiority isn’t something science can prove.

[@Hhhh-wi7wt]

@@danielj.nickolas I completely agree with your comment. Conversion therapy is a harmful and outdated practice that is not supported by scientific research. The idea that someone's sexual orientation or gender identity can be changed through therapy is not only unsupported by evidence, but it is also deeply harmful to the individuals who are subjected to it. It is important to trust and rely on the current scientific research on the topic, rather than holding out hope for future studies that may contradict it. Your analogy to race and ethnicity is also spot on. Just as it would be wrong to try to "cure" someone of being nonwhite, it is also wrong to try to "cure" someone of being gay or transgender

[@Jcoppertone]

Bad debater against conversion therapy

[@i_strawberri_judi9225]

Yes, horrible.

[@sypherd.3771]

Wasn’t much of a debate at all. Just anger and personal attacks

[@luxzartheglorious]

@Dan Shivers well that means there is alot to debate

[@luxzartheglorious]

@Dan Shivers well you can get into all those points you addressed, bringing up both sides and then address more one sided points like the individual

[@joeblowjo]

@Dan Shivers let people choose conversion therapy if they want it, no one's forcing you to live any way.

[@iIZCoNFuZeLD]

Im genuinely interested and confused. So its a human right to express your sexuality and encouraged to come out and be your true self. but if they want to undertake therapy of their own accord its wrong? Is it not their human right to decide what they do to themselves?

[@do-rehh-mi]

those methods arent backed up with science and theyre really harmful. They should be illegal find other methods which dont harm an individual emotionally and physically

[@FlareE92]

@@do-rehh-mi how did you figure that out? I'm gay and I go through conversion therapy yet I didn't get harmed expect from the people who wants to ban conversion therapy for all people.

[@GN.24.7]

@@FlareE92 sure bud

[@correctingculture]

Let people volunteer for whatever help they want. These issues are complex. Stop attacking people.

[@chase2084]

Go fuck yourself you homophobic piece of shit. No human being that isn't worthless is pro abuse.

[@DannX4]

Clearly biased presenter brought out nothing from the 10 minutes given to her.

[@flamingrobin5957]

this clearly was a biased presentation to make the kind reasonable man look like a quack by attacking him, accusing him and calling him names while the moderator clearly gives no time for the counselor to explain himself. this is how activism and agenda has shouted down options for free willing people to determine their own identity and healing.

[@keurnllyeamberdisipi2022]

Truly I believe that there is no sort as Gay conversion. 16 years ago I was raped and never spoke about it to anyone and before that I had very strange feelings towards my fellow class mate at high school but never showed any of those up because that I believe I was taught that homosexuality is forbidden according to Christianity belief. What keeps on inflicting severe pain on my emotions is that I've chosen to follow Christianity and it mostly take part of what I believe is who I am away from me and that kill me slowly. 2012 I engaged into heterosexual relationship thinking I'm doing my own therapy, well it did not work because I was cheating the lady whom I was in relationship with. I was having affairs with other men and she basically knew my sexual status and did no want to admit it. We had a daughter born January 2013 and passed away the very year September, following that we separated and I continued with my homosexual life. My point exactly is that you cannot run away from your feelings or flip switch, although society will always have their own point of perspective when viewing things.One must just carry on with what they feel or believe is comfortable with them. I go to church, my supportive friends are there and I'm comfortable, remember at the church I go to. I know that it would not be easy at any other church. My fear is I've been to lot of churches and truly it wasn't good trust me. If you want to see judges go to church and you're recognized homosexual, you will hate yourself to death.

[@ImNotJoshPotter]

Investigate Joseph Nicolosi's work. I don't think anyone was quite on his level on the subject. I like that, even though he is Christian, he gives a totally secular understanding.

[@braedondavies9592]

"So, you're a marriage counselor-what's your angle? Huh? Huh? Huh?"

[@winsslloww]

Thank god im atheist This dude is still stuck in the early 1600 >:/ i hate myself for the times i actually went to church

[@peterc9153]

"Thank god im atheist". "I will always thank my blessed wife I remained a bachelor". You've got a good pen name. "shades". I think you have a few of those covering not just your eyes, but every orifice of your body, not least the few loosely connected brain cells that occasionally bump into one another.

[@winsslloww]

@@peterc9153 sorry for saying thank God Should've said "I am very happy that I am not dumb enough, to support the biggest scam in history"

[@faraaq]

Your first sentence is a bit contradictory lol. Read the Quran; it's the absolute truth. You won't be able to find a single contradiction in it.

[@ArranVid]

God exists

[@Jodogio]

God exists, your worldview is incoherent.

[@jasoncscscs8480]

why have gay conversion therapy instead of homophobia removal therapy?

[@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn]

Jason Cscscs because the latter is brainwashing to your political ideals

[@bradbell3744]

I have seen Mike Davidson in a couple interviews, and he always shows more class and thoughtful opinions than his name calling, insulting opponents.

[@Vecio.Nandes]

I totally agree with your opinion.

[@jacksoncowsert6964]

Having class and thoughtful opinions does not make you correct.

[@timslater566]

I didn’t know this medieval nonsense was going on in the U.K. also. I thought it was just American Christian crap!

[@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn]

William Kilgore and atheist. Because I’m atheist and want it. But sure keep pretending.

[@timslater566]

SleepDa Mouse......and you should keep pretending there’s some make-believe “Man” up in the sky! What Lunacy!

[@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn]

William Kilgore why do you want me to be Christian? I’m sure if you have a logical reason for making me believe I will but religion is baseless. Try selling yours to someone else

[@timslater566]

Sleepda Mouse........sorry, I see now that we’re on the same side. Yes......it is baseless indeed.

[@lupus3824]

@@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn Why do you want to support torture exactly? :)

[@joeblowjo]

Let someone have the choice to have conversion therapy or not

[@fantasticfrances]

Joe Blow no ❤️ It’s not gonna convert them it’s just them unknowingly subjecting themselves to torture. Their lives would be much better if they were told to love themselves not suppress who they love. It’s not something you can manipulate and it’s not a result of childhood trauma it’s natural and seen in over 1500 animal species. Here this will make you feel better 😊💗 kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6LTo2iHhrpoeZo

[@joeblowjo]

@@fantasticfrances a hetro relationship is just more fulfilling. There's 3 holes for mens poles.

[@fantasticfrances]

Joe Blow are you okay? Why are you thinking about that. Maybe for you it is but for others it’s not. Not everything is about sex you know people fall in love with people for much more than that. It’s concerning to me that you think that’s all that matters in a relationship. Anyways go listen to the link I sent you :)

[@joeblowjo]

@@fantasticfrances so a woman's personality is innately different than a man's personality? Personality is the reason why people have sexual orientation preference?

[@fantasticfrances]

Joe Blow there is sexual attraction and then there’s romantic attraction and it can differ from person to person what they fit For example if someone is romantically attracted to both genders they are biromantic and if they are only sexually attracted to the opposite gender they are heterosexual. Also is it that hard to believe that you can fall in love with someone based on their personality?

[@MrEvilFluff]

Why are people disliking this? People should be able to argue two different ideas that they believe in without the backlash of others. This is why there are problems. Even when there are people that have the courage to go out into the open to say what they believe, they still are punched back down by society. Its not simply about who is right or wrong. Its about understanding.

[@skylermccloud78]

being gay isnt a choice there placing faulse hopes and information saying that it.can

[@sarahl3721]

The idea that every should listen to everyone's arguments all the time without being dismissive is a bit much. Can you honestly say you sit and listen to everything that's presented to you in TV adverts? I am extremely dismissive about the phony science trying to sell me shampoo I don't want, just like I'm dismissive of the insidious homophobia of this magic bean conversion therapy rubbish. Don't need to listen to it...thumbs down.

[@1WayOfHoliness]

Anthony Petros i agree with you Anthony. I don't have to agree with everyone but at least be courteous enough to hear them out. We're quick to be dismissive of everyone else's argument, especially if it challenges our own. Not everyone who has dealt with homosexuality is an advocate.

[@ThatFlamingFroggo]

Sometimes It is about who is right, and who is wrong. A debate isn't always some grey thing, where one listens to each argument and shrugs their shoulders about that maybe both are right. Because in some cases, there is a definite answer. Sometimes, it depends upon the situation. And in this case? Homophobia is illogical. The idea that it is unnatural, a fluke of nature, that it is based upon one's environment and not their genes, is bullshit. It's not debatable. Nature is varied where ever you look. Without variation, there is no way to build a truly successful society, whether among a group of animals, or us humans. You cannot change sexuality by force, or coercion, or shame because it is not something you can alter. Sexual orientation comes in all shapes and sizes, and like no one straight person has the same preferences, actions or behaviors, no gay person does either. Since nature has a varied amount of examples of animals who mate, or partner with the same sex, I'm also convinced, that it is as natural as nature gets. If there was a real debate, an argument that doesn't use false facts, hate, denial and shame as a basis to stand on, sure. But a "debate" where one relies upon facts and the other does not, is not only illogical, but there is a term for it. "Gish Gallop."

[@TheMOV13]

Well, what were they disliking? They might have been disliking either one of the two men arguing, they might be disliking the way the conversation was being held, or disliking the moderator etc....

[@petersmythe6484]

I doubt it works; just my personal opinion. (around 4:20) For it to take an entire year for it to probably not work is something that will be regretted for years to come possibly your entire life. Jerry Springer has a disclaimer "an hour of your life you will never get back". This should come with a disclaimer "a year of your life you will never get back".

[@fantasticfrances]

Peter Smythe and your personal opinion is a scientific fact congrats on being on the right side of history 💗

[@dalirfarzan1694]

The "reporter/editor," who is actually just an activist came off as very irrational, like a whiny little girl. Davidson presented his views civilly and reasonably without resorting to name calling and catchy slogans ("love needs no cure") like the bald guy did. To call that bald guy a reporter is laughable.

[@FormulaProg]

Don't ban choice.

[@jondugan6512]

Classic BBC. Pretending to be objective, but totally sold out to an agenda.

[@jaspurr77]

@@aions_end the sexual engineering agenda.. Ie to promote homosexuality as a lifestyle choice.. There's a difference between accepting difference and actively promoting it.. Especially to children who are now being given puberty blockers.. We have went from a society that did not allow young adults to marry until they were sixteen to a society where children are being used to experiment upon in terms of gender reassignment

[@NOGISILO]

Can we just call it sassy attitude therapy

[@tuwaylib]

The only reason this type of therapy is frowned upon is not because of research, but because these deviances have been accepted as normal behaviour. Already saw a ted talk of how we should treat pedophiles as normal humans that just can't help how they feel. It's a matter of time all sorts of unnatural things will be deemed normal... And no I'm not advocating for ice picks or violence who have these deviant inclinations. But, yes these disgusting deviances should be seen as deviances.

[@GN.24.7]

everyday “islamaphobia” is more and more based

[@jshir17]

*Should bullies be subjected to conversion therapy until they learn to stop physically assaulting & sexually harassing other males?*

[@enigmatube6946]

wtf? I think what you meant to say is stop having people bully others because of their sexual orientations that leads them to low self esteem and suicide.

[@jshir17]

Mx. Enigma YES

[@DaRyteJuan]

If you’re gay and don’t want to feel that way anymore, try going on 20 mg of Prozac. IDK if it works for gay people, but as a straight guy, it clobbered my sex drive. I’m still attracted to women, but I no longer feel any arousal.

[@firstname3166]

Not sure about this, i can see why an LGBT person would be against conversion therapy however is this not similar to a man having the freedom to undertake therapy (even hormonal) to transition into a woman or vice versa. It seems in both situations the person has a feeling that there biological/ learned predispositions aren’t aligned to how they would prefer to live their lives. is there a moral difference between wanting to transition your biological sex as oppose to your sexuality? If society is okay with one then why not the other? In both cases it could be argued that the end results could potentially be negative, but should people be given the choice to do so? I genuinely ain’t got a clue lol

[@serdna565]

For me the trans person doesn't feel like they have the right body. Not from outside factors (religion, society, etc) it comes form the inside. Being gay or any other definition people wants to give to it is the same. I think what would be similar to gay therapy is to offer trans conversion therapy, and try them to fit in their genetic gender. I think is someone is an adult they should be able to take their own decisions. And these therapies may be available only after accepting therapy. Then the person can have a more stable mind, after first accepting what they are and then trying to change it. Otherwise is just a denial and that's when i think it becomes dangerous.

[@do5343]

if people have sexual feelings and sexual desires that they don't like or don't want they should be entitled to explore attempts to diminish tthose feelings. without people getting upset and taking .

[@jaspurr77]

That was hilarious when she presented 'scientific' facts from the experts ..the same people that told us that there was a homosexual gene😂..then it was proven wrong..mincers gone mad

[@gaiopescatore]

My last reply to Moabman has apparently been deleted. It seems that censorship is being exercised here.

[@dougreformed8956]

that bald gay was so insufferable

[@otherworld11]

For some folks, getting out of the homosexual life is important. For others, affirming their sexuality is important. It is not a one size fits all thing. Jesus told the rich young ruler to divest himself of his wealth, but that is not the command for everyone. it is a case by case thing. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is a heart that loves and follows Jesus.

[@robertjsmith]

Jesus love is unconditional,religion is, you can be loved if you do what we say.

[@enigmatube6946]

It's complicated, we live in a world that enforces religion, and traditions, and tells people they're wrong if they don't settle down with a heteronormative family, but on the other hand, whether you believe CT works, it costs 1000s of dollars, for decades of work that isn't proven to change one's natural sexual orientation. There's harm done to lgbtq people, that you can claim their identity can change with CT, and also to people who seek to be cisgender/heterosexual, with no results, can only make them internalize more that something is "wrong" with them, if they're stuck with a stigmatic identity. Sadly, society tries to force change for what's comfortable, and not empathy and compassion for people's struggles with themselves.

[@robertjsmith]

the fact that this comment (above)has only one like,says it all

[@czeslawrossinski2465]

It' personal decision, if a homosexual wants to come out of the closet and pay for it, let him do that. UK is not a Soviet Union and people have free will to decide. Also Victoria was clearly biased against Mike, was she scared of aggressive lgbt lobby?

[@czeslawrossinski2465]

@Ryan You can choose not to be homosexual, it's entirely behavioural. Parents are responsible for their children. You cannot replace family with a state, comrade.

[@sambutterfass1299]

How is this journalism

[@davidbadwiz85]

If people can change their sexual organs, why aren't others allowed to change their sexual orientation.

[@laurenmccavour2947]

How tf does that make any sense

[@davidbadwiz85]

@@laurenmccavour2947 Stupid yu know what am talking about.

[@davidbadwiz85]

@@laurenmccavour2947 You guys need a life, if people want to turn away from Homosexuality which I did, because of my religion, it's none of your business, you don't ever talk about people who are happy changed thhair sexuality, yo only focus on negative sides, you people are nonsense. Let people live their own lives none of your business if they decide what they want to be

[@gaiopescatore]

In actual fact, people can’t change either their sexual orientation or their sex (although gay people can adopt a celibate “lifestyle” or shoe-horn themselves into pseudo-heterosexual “lifestyles”). Both ex-gay conversion therapy and “gender transition” are hoaxes. The latter is, if anything, an EVEN bigger, crueller and more destructive con than the former. Consenting adults should be free to dabble in such things if they insist - entirely on their own responsibility and at their own risk - but it should be illegal to inflict either form of hocus pocus on minors.

[@GN.24.7]

@@davidbadwiz85 you mean through pseudo science and self inflicted self hate, ya I don’t feel bad for you at all and you clearly are not a real homosexual since no homosexual has osa but nice try

[@PlayingWithWilson]

For the people who believe if someone or something offends them, they should ban it or criminalise it. Here's 1 of several reasons why someone would seek help from a professional who specialises in self control and mental discipline. Example 1 - a bi sexual individual who is fully excepting of themselves and their sexual preferences gets married, maybe they even have children, the bi sexual individual may no longer want to be sexually attracted to the gender they're not married to and may feel it to be an unnecessary Burden on themselves. This person should have the right to decide they only want to be sexually attracted to the gender they eventually fell in love with, this person may want to seek professional help when doing so and these professionals should be allowed to help this person without groups, movement, organisations or the government intervening. It wasn't to long ago when gay people were attacked by people who believed they had the right to try and stop others from being who they want to be, now it seems, that type of thinking has been adopted by the same people who would've been attacked a few decades ago, now they attack anyone who they see as being or doing something that in their eyes is offensive and disrespectful to them but I'm sure that's exactly what anti gay groups were doing aswell. The thing is this, majority of people have an unrealistic expectation of respect, if a group attacks another because 1 offends the other and forces them to stop, then how are they any better than an anti gay group, they're not and in fact they're worse because being gay has never been criminalised, but today, gay groups aswell as other groups will attack anything that offends them until it becomes illegal and banned. It's very easy to live peacefully with people whose beliefs and opinions are offensive or disrespectful when one stops believing the delusion of a world where everyone thinks and acts like them.

[@robertjsmith]

says the christian guy

[@PlayingWithWilson]

@@robertjsmith I'm not religious

[@robertjsmith]

@@PlayingWithWilson i'm a man, will you fight for my right to have babies? from now on i want to be called Loretta. You cant have babies,dont you oppress me What we will do,we will fight for his right to have babies.

[@PlayingWithWilson]

@@robertjsmith I don't understand what your trying to say, seems like you have sleep deprivation or maybe or you're just dumb, I'm not judging, If you're asking me if you can have a child you can consult your doctor for information or ask a teacher if you have one or a family member, if it turns out you can't for some reason there's always adoption. If you're trying to say I want to stop you from having kids because off my name then you're desperately trying to be offended for attention, my should tell you that I don't breed, I don't care what others do, plus I don't breed so other people's children can have more in the future.

[@robertjsmith]

@@PlayingWithWilson Monty Python though we cant change him being gay we will fight for his right to be straight

[@morgue_anism]

As someone in the LBGT community I 100% do n out agree with conversion therapy, however this wasn’t really a debate it was just a one sided conversation and attack, like I wanted to see what this man had to say and I wanted to see an actual debate because just hearing a one sided opinion even one I agree with wasn’t really interesting to see. Also constantly attacking him is just going to make him defensive and not open to actually considering the other side

[@JuandelaCruz001]

@ 4:03 - 4:30 perfectly describes the situation.

[@luxzartheglorious]

Exactly

[@ericwillis5292]

You can’t change a persons sexuality !!!!

[@mrepix8287]

@@ericwillis5292 Yes you can

[@petersmythe6484]

(5:42 - 6:11) One of the reasons I am clicking like. Personally I think "Mike Davidson" (the person on the left) is a charlatan; however if minors and vulnerable people under the control of their families are being forced through this that is very unethical. If there must be rules and regulations for teens to define their sexuality, define their gender identity, participate in relationships and sexual experiences then there should be rules and regulations about forcing a youth to "not be gay" (almost certainly through a charlatan).

[@cnacma]

It’s not “unethical” it’s child abuse.

[@Vecio.Nandes]

Anybody who has homossexual tendencies has the right to choose not getting involved and giving in to homossexual urges. Also, nobody who has same sex attraction must be forced or compelled to act as gay or to put in practice homossexual impulses

[@GumriRN]

Gave a thumbs UP for 1 reason & that’s to support the #Therapist! SO TYPICAL OF #BBCBias…why not simply turn the therapist’s microphone off you blinded fools! Of course in 95% of “Homosexual” labeled people, espcially men, there has been 2 infantile events: not having 1 a stabile strong male figure for a toddler to imprint upon and 2 again, even if a male/father figure is present, the female/mothering nurturing figure is overbearing to “too unwilling” to allow the child to separate from her, in essence, the child sees men as either denigrated or so unpowerful, he shuts the male’s authority figure down…as does the overbearing, overprotective or uncaring mother. I’ve worked w men in therapeutic situations. With no doubt, there’s never been a patient without 1 or more psychosocial issues present or concurrent in their lives. Of course when sexual identification/imprinting stage begins the toddler stage, if the child has been molested, that’s sadly, the perfect timing for the child to become confused & traumatised, losing the short window of time for a positive, strong male association to occur. So the toddlers begin to disassociate maleness as it’s seen as scary or weak. Little boys fail to imprint on ANY male figure out of fear or insecurity that the male figure in their lives, are not as strong or valuable as the female/mother figure is . This is not new theory, just recently taken out of mothballs of psychiatry. In essence and most often, the child’s mind reacts to the feared person/object (i.e. a male behaviour) & as all children do when exposed to the feared object, they avoid it & won’t identify with in this case a male personna. It’s not rocket science but I certainly wish the #BBC would not blind-side guests just to promote their own, PC agendae. BTW: of course the Psych Assns. won’t approve this therapy! They want govt. grants & it’s simjply not a viable option in today’s morally & culturally fractured societies!

[@bugin5952]

don't worry gam-gam i've already called the chemist about refilling your haldol

[@serdna565]

From what I have read there seems to be relation between fertility and number of gays. Since homosexual attitudes are documented in more than 300 species I would doubt is due the lack of fathers (I am from a society where fathers are almost never there and trusts me guys still want to sleep with girls). And from my experience, most straight people have lots of traumas too and many have been molested and they are still straight. So I would not establish associations that lightly or we run the risk of confirmation bias (or channeling bias, can't remember the correct bias for it)

[@oshhu8269]

@@serdna565 I agree with @DeniRN but I also agree with you @serdna565 because your question shines light on the above not being the whole picture, with further complexity. Animals seem to follow same-sex sexual behaviours for various reasons, one of which being suppy & demand, i.e. the availability of females/males. There is also a recent positive study from September 2019 which looked at the increase in homosexuality among wild birds who had been exposed to methylmercury. They believed the reason for this was due to the interference of the mercury on the birds hormonal receptors. There are environmental, psychological & hormonal reasons behind homosexuality. So it's a broad picture. The DNA/Gene/'Born this way' scientific research has produced no results despite it being broadly accepted now in our culture. More recent studies haven't had the same level of coverage so the masses are stuck with the 'Born this way' belief, which suits the agenda. From my own experience with gay men, I have not met 1 who didn't have issues/conflict/trauma surrounding their Father/Male Adult. For me, it's really clear that people have predispositions and chemical 'inbalances' which play a role and make it more likely for one person vs another, but it seems to come down to this psychological element of male bonding and imprinting, all things considered. In other words, unless you drank a load of methylmercury you should turn out straight. If you have a hormone imbalance and your DNA predispositions you to be more agreeable/high in risk aversion for example, you should turn out straight. But if you have a hormone imbalance and your DNA predispositions you to be more agreeable/high in risk aversion AND THEN you have a masculine issue during development such as bonding/conflict, then you will sure turn out gay. But the other factors, on their own do not seem to carry enough wait to deliver the homosexual tendency alone. They are seem to be corrolating factors. (In my humble opinion - no credentials)

[@ToxicPea]

I love how Patrick constantly dubbs Mike as a bigot, when he himself is clearly the bigot against the idea of giving people the option to become straight.

[@Chillypepper7451]

Toxic Pea ahahahahahaha did you just say the option of becoming straight?! I hate to break it to you dude but ... it’s not an option ... it’s how you’re born 😂

[@Chillypepper7451]

Elisabeta Cernea why are you equating gay people with psychopaths?! That’s a completely different argument and also nobody can be born a psychopath, that’s basic psychology. You can have predisposed genetic reasons for developing certain mental health issues and this combined with a particular environment can lead to psychopathy, yes but this has nothing to do with lgbt people. What an odd thing to say...

[@ToxicPea]

@@Chillypepper7451 I was never notified by your earlier message, so I guess I should respond now instead of never. Your argument against what Elisabeta said is exactly my argument against the "born this way narrative." If I follow your reasoning, then nobody can be born gay. There are predisposed genetic reasons for developing certain sexual tendencies (such as lower or higher testosterone/estrogen) and this combined with a particular environment (a father/motherless home or a gender neutral society) can lead to homosexual tendencies. I find it very odd that you can connect the dots with one thing and not the other.

[@GN.24.7]

@@ToxicPea every scenario that you link to cause homosexuality a heterosexual will have grown up the exact same way, your arguments will always be flawed

[@ToxicPea]

@@GN.24.7 ok well can you give an example? I know we often tend to cite psychological studies but to perfectly replicate an individual's experiences with another's' is very difficult. I think another thing that is interesting to note the presupposition of determinism in the argument you present here. Even if two people were to experience the same situation with all the same variables and such, a proponent of the existence of man's freedom could say that they may still choose to react differently. Sorry, this comment of mine was from a pretty long time ago so if I misrepresent what old-me said or don't actually follow the conversation you intended, then my bad my dude.

[@Jubidar]

People who change and leave homosexuality rarely appear on TV. They just don't feel the need to do it, you know. They don't have time for that, they are enjoying their happier life. Therapy works and it won't stop working no matter what. If you want to get helped, you can. DO NOT fall into the lie that you are born gay. Anyways, if you are okay with being gay, the choice is yours as well. No one will force you to seek change. Live your life.

[@jackryder-sw9rk]

you delusional idiot

[@tonybennett4159]

They rarely appear on TV because they know they can not bare-faced lie in an interview. There are NO confirmed cases of anyone changing their sexuality through therapy. There are many ways in which one could go some way to proving it, for example, agreeing to a penile plethysmograph test, or a saliva test. While none of these are definitive, the mere fact that somebody claiming to be cured and who would be prepared to put themselves forward would go some way towards something positive to go on. Nobody has ever volunteered, which speaks volumes. If they knew that this therapy worked, why wouldn't they do all they could to get the message across?

[@aubreywilliam9048]

Bozhidar Jubi Yordanov nah

[@jclark7546]

Bozhidar Jubi Yordanov, I agree with you. People are happiest when they live what they believe. "Above all else, to thine own self be true". If that means reparative therapy, then power to them. If it means degrading yourself with debauchery, then let them be. Pay no attention to the trolls, they've been spewing their rhetoric all down through this feed. Reparative Therapy is a relatively new science, and who knows, if left unmolested, it may become the single most effective tool for "healing" gender identity dysfunction.

[@i_strawberri_judi9225]

@@tonybennett4159 I will go on TV and say it and it's not a lie. Who are you to call someone's choice a lie? Extremely rude and bigoted.

[@adampowell5376]

The behaviour of the Lucy Faithful Foundation is just as bad.

[@fantasia243645]

Why is the announcer so ruffled and the gay guy angry? If someone doesn't want to be gay then let them.

[@luxzartheglorious]

exactly, I believe its wrong to force somebody to go through that kind of therapy but for somebody like me I want to go through it

[@fantasia243645]

@@luxzartheglorious I appreciate your openness. People shop around for doctors so why not therapists as well and anyone claiming cures? A companies results will speak for themselves. What won't work for you can help someone else.

[@danielul05]

The "Moderator" is heavily biased and a joke

[@Bibliotechno]

There seems to be a vehement spirit of anti Christ abroad. Sin and brokenness is celebrated. Over citing love...but denigrating the requirement for personal holiness. God resists the proud , he gives grace to the humble.(e.g. James 4 v 6).

[@aubreywilliam9048]

S Gardner god isn’t real dummy

[@peterc9153]

S Gardner. I totally agree with you. This perverted age was foreseen thousands of years ago in Scripture. "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Who see darkness for light and light for darkness. Who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter". The hatred and disdain for God and faith is rampant throughout the comments for this video. That was also prophesied. "Scoffers and mockers shall come". But God will have the final Word. Eternal regret shall be theirs.

[@junevon1738]

Well done. Mike Davidson is Director of the Core Issues Trust an organisation which recently ran a Gay Conversion Seminar in London.

[@t.dmytryshyn2615]

He's gay and hiding his sexual preference.

[@falloutbos34]

This guy sounds like a mellow Liberache

[@suzannebehrens9413]

Its about hate and jealousy and taking the first amendment away!

[@nalandatendar4212]

So sad, that people use religion as weapon against love and compassion. The power of real love and compassion can be so mind blowing. I know there are also good Christians. I moved away from Christianity and became a Buddhist monk. I talk regularly with people of other faiths, and I support some people who have been abused in such camps but also other institutions. Live in France, but hope to make a Merit Tour in the USA/ Canada in a few months. Conversion therapies should be banned! There should be love and compassion camps!

[@egalitarius8582]

I mean yeah cause even from the start religion was about control and oppression and it still is

[@Rohan-rp3kg]

Egalitarius facts.

[@cuttru8041]

The bald guy only makes emotional arguments.

[@originalThePlague]

Here on the one side we have one person arguing according to a naturalistic fallacy: There are naturallistic reasons that cause homosexuality so it ought be ok for everyone to have these feelings. --> To deduct an "it ought to be" from an "it is" is a logical fallacy. Who (besides me, and maybe the person which it affects) has the right to decide for me if it is ok to be able to have certain emotions for a person or not or if it is ok if I long for having certain emotions for a person but can not because of biological predispositions? On the other side you have a person telling: Talkative therapy will help change sexual preference --> This is nonsense. The biological predisposition is caused by specific regions in the brain: The Amygdala, The Hypothalamus, The Thalamus and other regions... There are clear scientific indications which seem to proof that. Conclusion: Both discutants are inapropriate. My pov is: Research should be undertaken to determine what exactly causes sexual orientation and to find out if it is possible to modify it -> Beware of the next naturalistic fallacy: If it would ever be able it doesn't follow that everybody has to do it or worse may be forced to undertake a modification of their sexual orientation. I am pro research as I am pro expansion of the possibilities to really have free will.

[@lazrseagull54]

I get the impression that Patrick didn't actually want to have his sexuality converted when he tried gay conversion therapy. Any responsible therapist should have told him "I believe you're quite happy being gay and this therapy won't be good or healthy for you". His experience is completely different to treating someone who feels unhappily restricted by their sexuality. If you meet a nice person who would make a good life partner, but your sexuality doesn't afford you the capacity to feel an attraction to them, why shouldn't you be allowed to try out therapies that explore converting you into finding them attractive, whatever your sexuality is? The therapist must of course be honest about the risks and the success rate and be sure that it's something the patient actually wants and that they're not being pressured by other people for ideological purposes.

[@kathrindoll6903]

U not going to change if u don't want too. I am sure people that want to change do, because they r repentant. Just because people use to live that life style, u have no right to tell them that they havn't changed. That is what giving up sin does, u change the behavior.

[@voluntarism335]

being hetrosexual is normal being gay isn't

[@lupus3824]

In which sense are ou using normal? :)

[@DrawingABlanka]

Being gay is normal.

[@killboggins]

Says who?

[@stephentaylor8339]

Ok. Sure!🤡

[@pumamountainlion7777]

Accept who you are by not defiling your flesh.

[@juniorjamessc5789]

Where can I find a conversion therapist in the US

[@adamclayton5092]

I'm hoping to find one in the uk, one whos more effective than simple speech therapy

[@truthseekingtroll3575]

Research Alliance for Therapeutic Choice And Reintegrative Therapy Association.

[@CoreyChambersLA]

While it is true that gay conversion therapy generally does not work, most agree that labels are a problem. The "gay" label can be less than helpful because nearly all humans have various degrees of attraction to both sexes.

[@idesireit31]

Really ?!

[@mrblackalchemist]

@@idesireit31 According to the Kinsey scale we technically do. Now don't freak out.

[@Richard-vq7ud]

I could never get it on with a lady. They say that when it's that time of the month, stuff comes out of that spot. I just cant help it, but i can only imagine what that must be like or smell like and it really turns me off. That is why i like men.

[@kittens3029]

Lol what the fuck

[@rachellewis9251]

What about families forcing attendance particularly children being beaten and humiliated if it were just discussing options and support that different thing but they are lying as if sounds like supportive and unbiased Gay as a goose lol

[@FlareE92]

Dr Mike Davidson doesn't take anyone unless it's from their own decision. I Went to conversion therapy yet no one forced me.

[@conservativeforcalifornian9882]

It sounds pretty crazy but I believe everyone has a choice to do what they want to do. If they want to go to that kind of therapy they can. I believe just reading the words of the Bible is enough to change one’s way.

[@kaneessey3839]

How can these solutions, be serious to end same sex attraction I laft my Arse off play rugby male body contact getting a massage from a man this is so funny.

[@Plazebology]

thats a verb sweetheart

[@junevon1738]

th bold MAN has a kind of Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder with a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. ... The cause of narcissistic personality disorder is unknown, like the most of them.

[@clarkkent5433]

It’s actually called rehabilitation Just like an addict he undergoes rehabilitation

[@rose-a-bleu4281]

Clark Kent it’s actually called abuse because beating someone with a bible to “turn them straight” is abuse.

[@egalitarius8582]

why it never works and leads to depression ans suicide

[@ericwillis5292]

It’s not rehab, because there’s nothing wrong with being gay.

[@loganmartinez4461]

Not being able to move or be menatly stable because you are addicted to herion is not anything like having sexual and mental attraction to men isnt the same as to a drug addict. Dont compare it to rehab because rehab is exepting that somethings wrong with you thats been making you not the best you you can be so people work to fix that and be better. Being gay isnt badly effecting me because im repressing and in denial. Everytime i speak to someone i have to worry if me being gay will get me harassed, beat, or humiliated. And if i could i wouldnt change that part of me but somone who even thinks for a second that going to conversion therapy to be just like the average needs to have proof and be gay because unless its that im not gonna listen beacuse you cant state that as a fact without having the mind of a gay man who whent through conversion therapy

[@blueberry-babe1840]

no its torture.

[@jacobdaley5710]

I'm baffled that there fighting to take away people's right to seek help if they think they have a problem. There are a lot of ludicrous and ridiculous beliefs out there and we don't ban them i.e. religion in a whole lol 😁😉

[@do-rehh-mi]

they dont have a problem homophobes and religious people have a problem with it. If the world accepted homosexuality then conversion therapy wouldnt even be a thing.

[@jacobdaley5710]

@@do-rehh-mi the world doesn't need to except it. It's wrong on so many levels depending on who you are. And it's not homophobic to understand your ass is an outty not an inny and girls rock and religion is a safety blanket for the masses lol

[@do-rehh-mi]

KeepItReal fckrs idk where religion is a safety blanket when the literal God of the religion killed his creation multiple times(abrahamic religions). Religion teaches while it destroys its only in favor of some.

[@peterc9153]

The only bigot on display here was the person sitting on the moderators right. He is also, in his own way, a small minded tyrant who refuses to accept that there are other people, different from himself, who have come to the conclusion that they cannot be happy drifting along in a gay lifestyle that leaves them vulnerable to several serious health issues, and wish to move on in another direction.

[@robertjsmith]

have you tried being gay

[@tonydamage8412]

I'm not gay no mo.

[@brianseweya]

I think I get why Patrick was like that. I agree with him in everything he said. His behavior is understandable

[@faustofernandez2971]

This queen is the type who gets arrested in men's rooms--see Senator Larry Craig

[@robertjsmith]

which queen?

[@WHATISUTUBE]

heres a hot take: gay conversion therapy and humoring people's delusions that they aren't what they really are (gay) is no different than humoring transgender people. And transgender people have their own "therapy", including mutilation. So let gay conversion stay. If someone wants to do it then w/e

[@serdna565]

The equivalent would be trans conversion (basically force a trans to live with their genetic gender). Not taking parts on if it should be allowed or not (not fully sure yet where i sit on that respect). Just indicating is not a hot take since logically CT and Transgender therapy to change sex are not equivalent. In fact a sex change surgery would be similar to gay acceptance therapy.

[@Asrarulhaq2011]

Freedom. Freedom to be gay. Freedom to not be gay. Welcome to Britain.

[@hayprofilms]

I’m not gay, am I ? and to give affirmation to my not wanting to be gay, I will help others not to be gay. I’m angry, whilst at the same time, feel sorry for the man on the right.

[@SleepDaMouse-xd8dn]

Hayden Harris I like how you always blame gays for homophobia

[@michaeldeo5068]

This is a Spiritual issue as is all sin. The Holy Spirit, Yahweh's Spirit is what transforms the mind to desire to live according to the WAY of life.

[@toahordika6]

I oppose gay marriage morally (although not legally) but I'm strongly against gay conversion therapy.

[@dutchess2121]

This is a very sober opinion that I can support. You are 100% allowed to like or not like something but you still have a social responsibility to treat others with equal respect and offer them the same opportunities as everyone else. Good for you.

[@toahordika6]

My opinion has changed since I made this comment. I am now against gay marriage legally as I think the state has an interest in holding traditional marriage together (I oppose divorce for the same reason). I'm still against gay conversion therapy though. There's lots of evidence it is harmful and no evidence it works. A much better way of going about it is through a life of prayer. Celibacy is infact a higher calling than marriage. I think that there's no one size fits all formula.

[@dutchess2121]

So you used to think people should have equal opportunities and now you don't. *smacks palm against forehead*

[@toahordika6]

Secularists obsess so much over their rights they forget their responsibilites.

[@mrpickles680]

toahordika6 why are you against everyone having the same rights and being treated the same in the eyes of the law

[@kristenellie]

The undercover journalist is a hero! The "therapist" is a villain!!!

[@barbarastuckey5923]

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[@wfmcfp1]

If a person is allowed to "identify" their gender / their sexuality, and are free to remain "fluid" in these decided identities (as fluidity is deemed real and appropriate for trans persons),....how is it then a gay person cannot personally choose to make a desired change? Is a "transgender" person's sexual state less genetically founded and/or set....than that of a gay person's? Is one fluid...and the other not? Do we somehow make up the rules or supposed scientific truths as we go along? Why not allow everyone...bar none....to be free to choose their sexuality directions/beliefs....as well as their desired therapies? Governments (and schools) should stay out of this arena all together.

[@bluecannibaleyes]

The rule seems to be that one’s sexuality is only allowed to change in the direction of more gay.

[@GN.24.7]

@@bluecannibaleyes you say that while two major world religions compare homosexuals to murderers and r&pists, wake tf up it’s not cool or trendy to be gay

[@smudgerpotts3312]

It does not mean lgb T do not have mental health issues....

[@egalitarius8582]

doesn't mean they do either

[@SuperMelibelly]

Terrible interviewer and 'activist'. Very one-sided

[@jackryder-sw9rk]

the UK is just about to ban this vile practice. next thing is to ban "christians" they are apalling.

[@aubreywilliam9048]

jack ryder hm let’s hope so

[@TheMOV13]

First part of your sentence I agree with, second part is silly.

[@calebpeterson3117]

If a client expressly asks you to help them overcome a mental thing they deem as detrimental why is it vile to Shepard them through the process in which they freely chose to take part in?

[@calebpeterson3117]

@newlife I would then ask if the distress that the patients seem to show during conversion therapy, if that is different than the distress you see in someone who's trying to quit any unhealthy addiction. I.e alcoholism, sex addiction, drug addiction etc

[@calebpeterson3117]

@newlife to clarify I'm not advocating abuse, but caring helpful therapy for a behavior that needs corrected.

[@petersmythe6484]

Patrick Strudwick you are awesome!! I am actually really glad you called him a charlatan

[@charliez077]

Lol dude on the left is 100% right, the guy on the right is the saddest case of a closeted (in fact obviously gay as christmas) person i have ever seen.