The controversial study that split up twins - BBC REEL

[@CarolineMosesComedy]

You should have the right to know if you have an identical twin out there. Imagine if your twin commits a crime and the DNA is matched to you...

[@pi286]

You would probably have already committed the same crime hahaha

[@CarolineMosesComedy]

@pi286 Why would an identical twin raised in a separate upbringing have probably committed the same crime? Yes, they share the same genetic makeup, but they were raised in different environments. While the odds that they would follow similar trajectories is higher, I don't that the twins would be "probably" commit the same crime.

[@udoyoung1627]

​@@CarolineMosesComedyit was a joke einstein... but thx for ur pedantic insights anyway !

[@jekku4688]

its actually happened.

[@simonsimon325]

To change the course of someone's entire life from birth, and deprive them of something so unique and potentially special to them in the name of research is about as cold and sociopathic as it gets. It beats me how these people escaped justice and retribution. And to still have the power to deprive the families access to the study they were the subject of...

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

Sadly Louise Wise was not the only agency in new York city that was doing this it was common practice in a multitude of Adoption facilities including one of the oldest historical adoption and fostering an orphanage is being The Children's Aid Society which was founded by the Reverend Charles Loring Brace. The good Reverend was well-intentioned and trying to find homes for children that were scattered across the city and the boroughs who were either the victim of being orphan by one parent or both more often by immigrants where one parent was deported and the other did not have the means or the language skills to be able to manage gainful employment or were either drafted into the Army or military branches and leaving their lives alone in a foreign country but also no means to support themselves. The good Reverend was the founding father of the orphan train or the Erie trains which sent these orphans out of New York City to the rural Midwest in hopes that they might learn a trade or skill or become apprentices so that they could become good productive citizens of the United States. Genetically speaking I should be a twin and believe that I am as I have it documented through DNA as well as a long line of genealogical research that I have done where there was a twin born in my maternal line in every single generation it was just a matter of whether the twins survived or whether one or the other did or not. There was also eugenics in play here particularly so in my case because during the 1960s I was considered what they would call "a hot commodity" as I am a white blonde haired blue eyed female which was in high demand during that time. In requesting my non-identifying information which I've had since I was 15 years old and literally had all the answers to my questions contained in that file despite the fact no names were ever divulge or states or locations there any specific details it was just a matter of deciphering the information that was provided which was minimal and heavily redacted best. After finding my birth mother and connecting with my family we used to laugh about the fact that they made quite explicit notes as to my IQ superior intelligence and how I was "very shy but extremely interactive and far more curious than the average baby..." And the fact that I was moved from Foster home to foster home was also perplexing because my birth mother was reassured and comforted in the fact that the agency said blonde haired blue eyed baby girls are adopted within a matter of a week or two yet despite this my adoption was held up for nearly 2 years!!!! In continuing my communication with the agency throughout the years notifying the woman I had worked with when I was 15 years old when I actually found my birth mother at the age of 27, which by the way I managed to do in under 24 hours without so much as a cell phone or a computer.... I am now in communications with the agency who is graciously agreed to provide me with copies of the documents which were lost in a house fire almost 5 years ago. It's quite clear that I was studied to a certain extent and from all I have gathered and learned and researched I understand that there was also experimentation with vaccinations during that era and given the fact I have had some mysterious illnesses and despite having had the German measles twice when I was living in Europe after having been vaccinated, I'm coming to the US having to be vaccinated yet again multiple times and then again when I was tested during both of my pregnancies and still not being immune to German measles they wanted to vaccinate me yet again which I declined. This issue still seconds me and I think it is a violation of our human and civil rights as adoptees and the most terrifying thing yet is that there are many adoptees like one of my half brothers who did not find out that he was even adopted until he was a fully grown adult maybe 10 to 15 years younger than I and I am 55!!!!! All of us is adoptees need to gather together most particularly in New York because this is where the hub apparently was for these types of studies in an effort for a greater understanding of early childhood development yet there is no study that was ever published documented!!!! Essentially all of us that were basically lab rats to a bunch of scientists and literally did not equate to much more than the victims of Dr. Mengele during World War II need to petition the state if not bring it before a federal judge as I do know of other issues of black market babies and I know other unethical adoption situations across the country with the children essentially never told. This needs to be criminalized..... They need to be certain ethical boundaries set up on these types of studies if there was nothing that is beneficial that was ever produced from the studies and as far as I know there's absolutely no mention of this in any of the DSM manuals although I have not completely familiarize myself with the most recent DSM 5.....

[@puneet7768]

@@melissapaigeleigh8857 as someone with adhd i am struggling to read this, please use paragraphs

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

@@puneet7768 I am not certain what you want me to reply to. You don't seem to have a question. My response to this documentary was written in only one paragraph. SEE BELOW

[@bananatopper6598]

interesting about the vaccination angle. I’ve since watched Three Perfect Strangers as well as The Twinning Reaction (both also about Louise Wise Services). It’s clear that despite saying that they wanted to adopt out the babies asap before “the twinning effect” took place (as if bonding in the womb never happened) they weren’t adopted out for more than 3-6 months after they were born. Which would’ve been the time period that many early vaccinations would’ve occurred. I also found out via a report on the Triplets, that they were actually part of a quadruple set but “one died in childbirth”. I’d sure like to know more about how that happened!

[@streaming5332]

Yes but so lovely when they reunite.

[@sarahgoldberg6614]

I have fraternal twin girls and right after they were born, for the first few days, their movements would be in sync. They are now almost a year old and as much as they squabble, they check in with each other for reassurance all the time. I can't imagine having them separated.

[@virgilburnett3936]

I'm a twin and hell I wouldn't even know what I'd do if I didn't have her in my life.. Heart goes out to all my fellow twins identical or none identical

[@manarcabrera2528]

What a horrible and inhuman practice. Those responsible should be prosecuted and restitution should be provided to the victims. Sad.

[@debralittle1341]

I have sisters that are fraternal twins and their bond is just as strong as if they were identical.

[@mindakahn9964]

I am outraged on two levels. First you just don’t separate twins. Second, that post WW2, that this particular agency would countenance this type of action knowing what Mengele did to twins in the camps.

[@jackpayne4658]

It's a very uncomfortable aspect of biological science, including psychology - some of the most significant insights have emerged from studies which were blatantly unethical. Milgram's 'obedience experiments' come to mind.

[@coleengoodell7523]

I couldn't agree more.

[@adrianajarquin599]

Stanford’s prison experiment too. One of the worse!

[@Ghostie03]

I'm a psychology major, and we basically have an entire course on all these horribly unethical experiments and how we can keep it from repeating in our research

[@saschamayer4050]

Maybe. But for a scientifical study, you should at least ask the participants if they want to participate BEFOREHAND. Everything else is not okay.

[@NikkiSchumacherOfficial]

Adoption agencies generally still do horrid things. Unethical things happen when you get money for children.

[@Linda-ki3qv]

I'm a twin too and I can't imagine the hurt they must have felt. Being a twin is special and I couldn't imagine not being one. I was born with my best friend. My heart goes out to all of the twins that were deprived of this ❤❤❤

[@cullis8327]

How could they have felt any pain if they were ignorant they had a twin ?

[@lechewinggum8491]

They weren't ignorant about it, they had been together for 9 months in the womb ​@@cullis8327

[@philipvonwrede8487]

I am a twin, separated from my twin around 1981 in California & put in a study. Filmed, recorded and analyzed. I was told my mother no longer had any remembrance that I existed. All BS. All done for the study. Such an injustice and dark period of my childhood.

[@La-ec9gm]

Is it the same study ? 😮

[@Emy53]

I would sue. This is horrific. I would never ever agree to these studies and those that did this should be imprisoned.

[@justanothernick3984]

I think they are in constant legal battles. And that's why they have such strict rules to follow regarding adoption. People seem to think there are pure malicious intent behind adoptions when it comes to twins. I'm sure mistakes happen but I'd like to see someone trying to make everyone content with a such flammable issue as this. In institutions vs people, most sympathize with people neglecting why the institutions exist in the first place. Everything isn't a conspiracy. At least not a malicious one.

[@markward3981]

Sealing records until everyone involved is dead is a common tactic to protect those culpable (researchers in this case) from legal liability, definitely civil possible criminal. Food for thought: 1)What custodian consented to these long term studies on children up for adoption, who were wards of an orphanage, courts or other temporary caregiver 2) were courts and /medical professionals aware 3) was any money solicited or paid in anyway 4) who all had access to the study information

[@ebeleefobi969]

This is my story. Separated from my twin sister Elizabeth Efobi popularly known as Naomie Harris the British Hollywood actress. She doesn't yet know the truth. But, our mother Carmen Harris does and not even herself can stop this truth from coming to light. We were separated at the age of 5 and everyone involved kept it a secret....

[@ebeleefobi969]

My sister and I are fraternal twins.

[@markward3981]

@@ebeleefobi969 Thanks for sharing, May Allah protect you both

[@marywinslow5808]

This was done in school in the 60-70 they said it helped each child get educated if they were in different classes.

[@6teezkid]

If you have not watched the documentary on this experiment, DO WATCH IT. It's unbelievable. And this was in the 1960's and 70's!

[@TheCurval]

Hello! Where can i see the documentary? Thank you!

[@alexvasquez5053]

@@TheCurval from Wikipedia: "Two documentaries about this study have been released, The Twinning Reaction (2017) and Three Identical Strangers (2018), along with the television episode Secret Siblings (2018)"

[@kellmac]

Sadly, many of the twins and triplets have lost one of the separated siblings - whether to s____de or terminal illness. A couple of the separated twins never had the chance to meet their sibling since they died before they found out.

[@lindamitterer3768]

As a mother of twins this is heartbreaking. I know the bond that my paternal twin Share is amazing. And I do not erase them as the same person. I understand there to a different individuals. This is just so heartbreaking that this happened.😢

[@feliciagaffney1998]

What's a paternal twin?

[@JustAThought155]

I am sickened just hearing this. Outrageous!

[@z-e-r-o-]

This report was really interesting. Thank you BBC and the reporter!

[@nillyk5671]

I feel so bad for the fraternal twin who lost her sister to pancreatic cancer 😢. I remember watching their reunion....

[@batya7]

My identical twin sons were quite similar until high school. They spoke in the plural: "WE don't want that," for example. One liked creamy peanut butter, the other liked chunky. As adults now, they are much more different, by choice.

[@fergusfarm3793]

Bet a dollar they made more money splitting up the twins.

[@jeanjohnson8368]

I was born in 1945, Hawthorne, California. My mother believed she had delivered twins but was only given one to take home. I only learned this when I was in my 30s. This website makes me wonder about whether she was correct. The New York study occurred in the 1960s so perhaps not.

[@thehappinessninja5112]

i just discovered my aunt and uncle were separated before the age of 2 and potentially i was too.

[@graceotoole2467]

This is so sad!

[@bunnylacy2097]

It’s possible. That place in New York wasn’t the only place doing that. Multiple adoption agencies back then separated twins or siblings without telling the parents. So it’s not far fetched that someone could’ve done something like that to your mom in the 40s. Maybe do one of those ancestry DNA tests and see if anyone surprising pops up as being related to you. They would’ve had to have done the test themselves for it to show up. But let’s say you did it first and they did it later on, they could find you that way if you do indeed have a twin out there somewhere.

[@yahccs1]

Even worse if they lied saying one was dead... or saying nothing so she assumes one was dead... No child should be taken for adoption without the parent's agreement. My mum didn't know if I was alive or dead when she came round after anaestheic from the cesarean... they should have told her she had a daughter as soon as she woke up, (or at least had a 'congratulations it's a girl' balloon or sign there) but she feared the worse - I was early and must have been in an incubator for a short time. I know I was not a twin... ! I think eveyone in hospital (or at the dentist!) has a right to know what is happening but they are not very good at telling us.

[@lechewinggum8491]

It could just be that there was a dead twin.

[@eileencollins2536]

That was a really...... difficult video to watch, in a lot of ways. It was also very interesting to watch. If that makes sense.

[@susannpatton2893]

This is horrible. They played with children's lives, for what? A gleam in this guy's eye on the fascinating outcomes. It's horrible. Why?

[@justayoutuber1906]

"Three Identical Strangers" is the movie about this.

[@mypointofview1111]

Suppressing the findings of this research, even if it is incomplete, to save the embarrassment of the researchers is unacceptable. How this was conducted was reprehensible and makes it more important that this is not just acknowledged but implemented. The Helsinki Ethical Code has been repeatedly rescinded so has no value whatsoever and is a dirty stain on every medical practitioner, every researcher. This must be corrected immediately

[@tiagomoraes1510]

Only actual useful study science ever made qnd u r complaining

[@susannpatton2893]

​@tiagomoraes1510 how is this useful? To who and if so why wasn't it released? Because it was wrong

[@saschamayer4050]

If the data is still there, it should belong to the victims.

[@judithflom6366]

What the researchers did was unethical by not telling the parents or kids but as the adoption agency also split up fraternal twins I am guessing they thought it was just a good idea for some reason rather than doing it FOR the experiment. Maybe it would be harder to get a pair of twins adopted or they really believed it was better for each to have a separate identity. The research sounds like it came because there was this opportunity. As someone who has tried to initiate research a couple of times I wouldn’t be surprised if they launched into this idea and then realized they didn’t really set up the data well or collect it consistently or didn’t have enough time and funding to continue it properly and game up on it. Do we even know how many sets of twins were involved?

[@mfrye0227]

It's unknown but still tragic. It's tragic to separate siblings, let alone twins.

[@montythepoodlepup9634]

As an identical twin born mid sixties UK 🇬🇧, I'm pretty emotional watching this!! For twin siblings, adoptive families and everyone involved, to be treated so horrendous and kept in the dark? I have no words 😢😢😢😢

[@ana419]

So the damage has been done, acknowledged, lessons learnt and codified into ethics. They may as well now make the most of these studies. Why seal them. A judge should order their full release, processing and publication, with the scientific community recognising it's unethical foundation in future.

[@heinzdelf]

This is the CONTINUING research of JOSEF MENGELE??? 👀

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

ESSENTIALLY..... "yes"... in one word.....

[@RubyTuesday-kx3up]

In NY influence, power & money can help any religious sect do what they want- unless there's resistance from the people not Jewish challenging ethics!!

[@varungk3388]

THREE IDENTICAL STRANGERS

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

I have watched that movie three times and every single time I realize there's something that I missed some little nuance some word some signals from sign and sadly the Louise Wise agency was not the only adoption agency that practiced this I was adopted through a completely different agency and there was testing that was conducted as well and I know from my research and studies as well as having found my birth family despite no information and no legal standing to obtain it I managed to find my birth mother without so much as a cell phone or a computer just good old-fashioned gumshoe detective work. I have evaluated myself from an outsiders point of view and look at the values I obtained and learned which are essentially a self study and nurture versus nature I could probably write a more educated document or study then Dr. Neubauer threw in a file and locked up at Yale in Columbia University until 2060... Of course by this time all of us will be dead because the study was conducted in the 60s when we were born in by 2060 We will either be dead or too senile to know or care.

[@efortune357]

19:22 “It’s very important to appreciate that genes do not work in deterministic ways. They work in probabilistic ways. They predispose but they do not provide the final word. Just because you have a gene doesn’t mean it will always be expressed. It takes a certain environment to bring that out. We all have genes that will be expressed given a particular environment. With identical twins they have the same DNA, but sometimes gene expression can occur in one twin and not the other and this can create differences between them, and these environmental differences that trigger different gene expression might even start in the womb, and so it doesn’t mean that we’re set in stone, we can’t change.” ~Dr. Nancy L. Segal Psychologist, Director, Twin Studies Center

[@nancygibson8854]

I have older sisters who are twins... we say they also split a brain... they were 2 months premature. Oldest sister born 1/10/1959 and the twins 12/30/1959. My brother was only 2 years old.

[@nicolefinn3109]

The "host" is not having actual conversations on her laptop. She nods, asks questions (to make it appear that it is a 2-way conversation) and then an appropriate response is played from the internet. Shame on you! This was an atrocity which hurt many people and you are using it to your own advantage. Much Love to all those affected

[@agirlisnoone5953]

The host is completely pointless... She's just frowning at her laptop

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

Sadly Louise Wise was not the only agency in new York city that was doing this it was common practice in a multitude of Adoption facilities including one of the oldest historical adoption and fostering an orphanage is being The Children's Aid Society which was founded by the Reverend Charles Loring Brace. The good Reverend was well-intentioned and trying to find homes for children that were scattered across the city and the boroughs who were either the victim of being orphan by one parent or both more often by immigrants where one parent was deported and the other did not have the means or the language skills to be able to manage gainful employment or were either drafted into the Army or military branches and leaving their lives alone in a foreign country but also no means to support themselves. The good Reverend was the founding father of the orphan train or the Erie trains which sent these orphans out of New York City to the rural Midwest in hopes that they might learn a trade or skill or become apprentices so that they could become good productive citizens of the United States. Genetically speaking I should be a twin and believe that I am as I have it documented through DNA as well as a long line of genealogical research that I have done where there was a twin born in my maternal line in every single generation it was just a matter of whether the twins survived or whether one or the other did or not. There was also eugenics in play here particularly so in my case because during the 1960s I was considered what they would call "a hot commodity" as I am a white blonde haired blue eyed female which was in high demand during that time. In requesting my non-identifying information which I've had since I was 15 years old and literally had all the answers to my questions contained in that file despite the fact no names were ever divulge or states or locations there any specific details it was just a matter of deciphering the information that was provided which was minimal and heavily redacted best. After finding my birth mother and connecting with my family we used to laugh about the fact that they made quite explicit notes as to my IQ superior intelligence and how I was "very shy but extremely interactive and far more curious than the average baby..." And the fact that I was moved from Foster home to foster home was also perplexing because my birth mother was reassured and comforted in the fact that the agency said blonde haired blue eyed baby girls are adopted within a matter of a week or two yet despite this my adoption was held up for nearly 2 years!!!! In continuing my communication with the agency throughout the years notifying the woman I had worked with when I was 15 years old when I actually found my birth mother at the age of 27, which by the way I managed to do in under 24 hours without so much as a cell phone or a computer.... I am now in communications with the agency who is graciously agreed to provide me with copies of the documents which were lost in a house fire almost 5 years ago. It's quite clear that I was studied to a certain extent and from all I have gathered and learned and researched I understand that there was also experimentation with vaccinations during that era and given the fact I have had some mysterious illnesses and despite having had the German measles twice when I was living in Europe after having been vaccinated, I'm coming to the US having to be vaccinated yet again multiple times and then again when I was tested during both of my pregnancies and still not being immune to German measles they wanted to vaccinate me yet again which I declined. This issue still seconds me and I think it is a violation of our human and civil rights as adoptees and the most terrifying thing yet is that there are many adoptees like one of my half brothers who did not find out that he was even adopted until he was a fully grown adult maybe 10 to 15 years younger than I and I am 55!!!!! All of us is adoptees need to gather together most particularly in New York because this is where the hub apparently was for these types of studies in an effort for a greater understanding of early childhood development yet there is no study that was ever published documented!!!! Essentially all of us that were basically lab rats to a bunch of scientists and literally did not equate to much more than the victims of Dr. Mengele during World War II need to petition the state if not bring it before a federal judge as I do know of other issues of black market babies and I know other unethical adoption situations across the country with the children essentially never told. This needs to be criminalized..... They need to be certain ethical boundaries set up on these types of studies if there was nothing that is beneficial that was ever produced from the studies and as far as I know there's absolutely no mention of this in any of the DSM manuals although I have not completely familiarize myself with the most recent DSM 5.....

[@alycewich4472]

I am so sorry this happened to you. I really don't see much difference between what the Nazis did to the Jewish community and others, that we, as a society were horrified by and what the US did even later. "In the name of science" (of course!). By the way, eugenics was exported to Germany from the US via Margaret Sanger and others.

[@monika6189]

Not sure why you keep referring to that clearly awful person as "the good Reverend" - when he clearly did bad things and took away people's children just because they were poor and marginalised! Sending their children away to the midweet rather than simply helping them as a family is horrifically unethical.

[@blakebeaton8410]

The idea that differences in 2 identical twins raised apart in the same culture must therefore be due to genetics is short sighted in the extreme. Culture makes us all much more similar than we know. One twin raised in Japan and one in New York would tell you so much more.

[@Whoami1988_]

Nope, you're wrong !! Our personalities are determined by our genes!😒

[@TheAbnormal]

@@Whoami1988_ in some cases yes

[@NewSherrif]

@@Whoami1988_ Such a simplistic view of life. OP just gave the most coherent explanation of the short-comings of "twin studies"

[@Press2GetTheCookie]

@@Whoami1988_ name one study that proves that.

[@cassidycross3406]

I was thinking the same. Parents are probably from similar socioeconomic backgrounds as well, given their adoption route.

[@shylady8711]

the sound is uneven. please fix. can't hear the interview. and please be specific with how many years is years of data 17:03 and other details

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

Better yet- look up the Neubauer Tidy in New York. AND watch Three Identical Strangers. You will see, hear and maybe FEEL the atrocities which should make anyone with a moral compass, the capability of empathy and frankly most every person just cringe....

[@squaretriangle9208]

The book "Das doppelte Lottchen"/ the double Lottie by Erich Kästner, it was also made into a film, ( last one I remember with Lindsay Lohan) is about parents that decided to split up their identical twin girls when they divorced. The girls were unaware of this until they met accidentily being ten. When I read the book as a child I found it uncomprehensible that the parents did this

[@consciouslove]

My gran birthed twins in 1966 at a Scottish hospital. I am certain that my mother is NOT my grans child. I don’t know if they swapped the babies, accidentally or otherwise, or my grans baby died and a ‘replacement’ was given without her knowledge (perhaps taken from some poor young girl forced to give up her baby). I don’t know what went down or how to even start investigating this - but I just know it. I deeply know it.

[@consciouslove]

@@jackb1969 That would confirm I am correct… but I mean beyond that. When I say fairly certain, perhaps I am downplaying my sureness. I know I am correct. What I don’t know is how to find out what went on at that hospital!

[@alexnowak495]

How did you figure it out?

[@pi286]

They took SO MUCH away from the kids... I have brothers/sisters and cant imagine how life would of been without 1 of them there nevermind a twin... family trips would be boring without them. Birthdays would mean nothing... going out to formal events would be boring.

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

Yes I did and that was the entire point that I was making about how atrocious this was because absolutely no good came of it and so many lives were damaged because of it and no reparations of ever been made nor will they in our lifetime!!!! who gave them the right to decide we already had our rights stripped from birth, but to have them further violated, is adding insults to injury

[@hensonlaura]

The older I get, the less respect I have for modern academics. A group that feel their priorities supercede the individual rights of anyone and who can't accept that their opinions are not more valuable than those rights.

[@tiagomoraes1510]

Theres so many more important reasons to be against modern science

[@ebeleefobi969]

The same way I and my twin sister Elizabeth Efobi popularly known as Naomie Harris the British Hollywood actress was separated at the age of 5. The world is about to hear our story and the greatest union. Not even our mother Carmen Harris can keep this truth from coming to light.

[@FindTheTruthBeforeTheEnd]

Pretty messed up. Playing games with peoples’ lives for selfish reasons. I wonder if the people who studied the twins also got paid. Even worse if so and to not compensate and inform the unwilling participants in the studies is just added insult to injury. To profit off of screwing up peoples’ lives, treating them like unwilling lab rats and not go to jail is an absolute injustice.

[@AdamSmith-uv6kr]

Should be a felony and lawsuit

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

Many of attempted to file a lawsuit to obtain the results and any kind of records pertaining to not only themselves but for the benefit of others who were victimized by this practice which was all too common and not exclusive to the Louise Weiss agency. I was adopted through another study and from all my non-identifying information it's quite clear that I was studied as well my adoption was held up for quite some time and I was moved from foster home to foster home which affected the path of my entire life and my attachment disorder stemmed primarily from that. Dr. Neubauer insured that the records will be sealed until 2060 and utilized the assistance of Yale University in Columbia University affectively making them co-conspirators as they are sealing and holding the records until such time.

[@amandavan55]

This is appalling!! I can not fathom how this unethical experiment came about if it was known what had happened, two decades before, when gruesome Nazi medical experiments were performed on Jews during WW2. Although one can not compare the two atrocities, the amorality of the one discussed in this video is gut-wrenching!

[@ivanbarbosa81]

Me and my brother have one year difference and parents used do dress us alike but we couldn't be more different, we look nothing alike

[@dimm7448]

So they video doesn't tell us anything about the results of the study.. 🙄

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

Unfortunately if you have not already seen three identical strangers which is a movie I believe on Amazon or Hulu or Netflix and you might even be able to find it here on KZbin indicates despite innumerable attempts to attack this study or at least get the study opened and released which is legally sealed and locked with Yale University and Columbia University as it's co-conspirators, as they are the holders of all documentation and records related to the Neubauer study so no benefit was ever produced and children's lives are forever changed.....

[@Ghostie03]

As mentioned in the video, the raw data was never really properly analyzed. And it was sealed until almost 40 years from now The study itself was poorly done in more ways than one, so if the data ever is analyzed and released, we aren't even sure how accurate and complete the information it will give would be

[@LoreneFreeman]

It was wrong to separate an study twins like animals instead of human beings one of triplets took life he was the well off triplet place in wealthy spot

[@nancycole-auguste6614]

Any person who desires to split up twins has something WRONG. No heart just cold selfish aims. A study?? As if they are LAB ANIMALS! HATEFUL

[@nillyk5671]

Animals also shouldn't be treated like this.

[@1981Frederick]

big deal for nothing, could be said that adoption agency are horrible because they are splitting parent and children. Those adopted have parent and possibly sibling, they have the life that they have. If not having a twin is such a inferior existence, then maybe we should use technology to ensure that every pregnancy give twin, so that everyone can have one if it's so much better. And i see comment with "horrible" "inhumane" and the like, and really look around the world and you'll find horror and more cruel thing happening to 20% to 40% of all the kids around the world that is well know, like kids working in mine or starving, or victim of war, of ethic genocide, and so on. Those are "horrific" and "inhumane" , twin separated at birth, well from the 50's to the 70's there was a lot of controversial social study that took place and without much rigor, while now social study have to prove that the data will be valuable, that the experiment won't cause arm, and that the experiment is the only way to study it, while back then any professor could organize a group a do any study they wanted. At start about it seem that separating twin seem to have been from a concern of what was best for them, then afterward it seem to have been more of experimentation motivation then childcare concern; that shouldn't happen today, but that have happen in the 60's, not a big surprise.

[@cbee402]

we all know that the parents knew! let's stop pretending. They all benefitted and kept hush.

[@ConnoisseurOfExistence]

I'm disappointed, that the video was focused on the ethics, than the findings of this research. I think it's important for humanity to know to what degree our personality depends on the genes.

[@aGGeRReS]

If they'd take on this topic - it would be too far from the current media agenda, where it is common to narrate that genetic differences are not htat significant.

[@ConnoisseurOfExistence]

@@aGGeRReS Maybe...

[@daniellamcgee4251]

As the video clarified, nothing was done with the raw data to produce scientific findings. The raw data remains locked and inaccessible to researchers so cannot (yet) be analysed for the results of the study to be known.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

@@aGGeRReS This video made clear that genetics are more significant than originally thought, including in areas of personalty such as religiosity. Also, that we all start with a life blueprint of our genes, but the determinant of our genes being switched on/off is triggered by our environment. The term 'environment' includes exposure to different levels of hormones in the womb, climate, pollutants, diet and exercise, nurturing and opportunity, stress levels, and many other factors. This is not new scientific information.

[@ConnoisseurOfExistence]

@@daniellamcgee4251 There is the disappointment right there...

[@streaming5332]

Don't the English twins have partners etc.

[@IsabellaCoelho]

That’s sad

[@nancywysemen7196]

not yet a meaningful study. now consternation. their different lives might have "artistic" value as"parrallel" what could be scenarios........

[@hopesouthstar4304]

💔

[@speaktruth9989]

18:30 interesting

[@consultoraseleccion7948]

Es realmente perverso lo q hicieron. Además fue gente Judía, como si tuvieran el derecho de hacer lo q se les viniera en gana. Cómo pudieron dañar a tanta gente bajo la excusa de ser científicos.

[@agentnoobz5588]

5:00

[@tamaracalderon6080]

Not gonna admit that this was JEWISH adoption agency that did heinous psychological damage to these people, are you? Oh, but how they screamed about Mengala... 😢

[@Ghostie03]

The mentioned multiple times it was a Jewish agency? Just because Jewish people did this, doesn't mean Mengele was right or vis versa. Both things are horrible and disgusting. Also, the comparison of a case about seperated twins to a man who did horrid things like pumping chloroform into their hearts, sewings conjoined twins back together, and removal of organs with no medication to children he viewed as sub-humans, is a wild thing to do. I know alot of people only know he studied twins during the Holocaust, but he did horrible things to not only twins but anyone who piqued his interest. I highly recommend looking into some of his 'experiments' in the future

[@shylady8711]

I think part of the similarities is how the world treats them. If they have the same attractiveness, they will be treated equally at the coffeeshop as if there's only one person. It's more on physics I think rather than psychological. Like 2 cars of the same model in different locations. They have the same engine the same capabilities, both can climb this x meters of hill at x angle at x speed. They have the same "chassis"

[@parassingh731]

Levelup IAS 😊

[@prancer4743]

Sorry twins never split up full stop next 🤔🧐😉😉

[@charleshow2052]

Intrusive experiment

[@luns486]

Intrusive is a bit of an understatement.

[@kristine8338]

❤️❤️❤️ and 💔

[@auschick8176]

I ❤ my twin

[@LoreneFreeman]

I was a 1963 twin girl an boy babies taken grew up in seperate homes after age 41 did a DNA ancestry tree test found I was a twin to a guy both names changed never told til I pick up phone call social security office asking how to correct my mother's name on shot record an birth certificate I was told she's not your biological mother I wanted to say want about father niether was later threw dna ancestry told. Me who both were judge father an country jazz singer mother both well-known

[@allisontork]

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[@manubhatt3]

This video is 90% about morality and ethics, humans and emotions and 10% about the actual results of the study. This is what happens when you make a girl/woman produce a video on a study!

[@lizbeveridge]

It may well be not included because of the fact info was collected unethicly. The info is often not used to acknowledge this as barbaric. Other reasons mentioned in the open your ears and eyes part of video.

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

WOW.... not only are you clearly a misogynist... but you are clearly dumb as a stump!!!!! THERE WERE NO RESULT PUBLISHED!!!!! These people played with the lives of thousands, left irreparable damage and to protect and absolve themselves they "donated the study, result, findings and anything that related to them" to Yale and Colombia U.... AND.... THAT came from a WOMAN.... a GROWN ASS WOMAN who was a victim of this also studied it, lived it and I GUARANTEE YOU that I could shred and ounce of what you believe is morality, ethics, empathy and compassion. Hell...we could have a lovely game of emotional jujitsu.... Ooooh.... what's that????? Your High School called...!!! Remember that HS diploma it probably took you 5 years to achieve? They want it back, it was given to you in error.....

[@lucianavieira2576]

The data is sealed until 2065 and nothing was published.

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

@lizbeveridge IT NEVER WILL BE INCLUDED.... with any meaningful purpose. The "results, notes, documents, study info IS ALL SEALED AND LOCKED UP and is being housed in Colombia and Yale Universities. it was "gifted" ti them - it can never legally be opened until 2065 by which point none of the "subjects" or "lab rats" will be close to 100 years old!!!!

[@nmbrown4076]

Did you watch the video? The results of the study were sealed and never released.

[@wah704]

As a fraternal twin I don't see anything wrong with this...

[@melissapaigeleigh8857]

Twin, Fraternal Twin, adoptee, birth parent, adoptive parent..... HOW ABOUT A HUMAN BEING WITH A MORAL COMPASS??????? You see NOTHING WRONG with purposely separating twins- siblings- family member SECRETIVELY, WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE- EVEN THE PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES WERE RIPPED APART BY THIS.... SO YOU CAN USE THEM AS HUMAN LAB RATS FOR YOUR OWN FINANCIAL, EGOTISTICAL, NARCISSISSTICT, MANIACAL, MANIPULATIVE BENEFIT????????? WTAF is wrong with you????? Never mind..... I DON'T WANT TO KNOW- WHATEVER IS WRONG WITH YOU CAN STAY IN IT'S UGLY PLACE- YOU DON'T NEED TO SHARE THAT SICKNESS WITH THE WORLD.... IT'S ALREADY BAD ENOUGH OUT THERE

[@theroyalqueenmab]

An American school did this to my sister without telling my Mum. They were the only twins subjected to splitting.

[@redbutterfly88]

If that happens to me and i dont get justice i will be angry like nick cruz