Beating BTD5 Without Projectiles

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@Supersonic6427 5 ай бұрын

Fun Fact: There's a random mission that makes you play the first 45 rounds on castle using only road spikes, pineapple bombs, and farms. Honestly one of the worst random missions because it's not only just spam to win, but you also have to use the worst item in the game - pineapple bombs. Speaking of them, objectively, the Monkey Ace's pineapple bomb upgrade will always be the worst upgrade in BTD5 and every BTD game ever. I will never be convinced otherwise lol.

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

Oh wow that's crazy I actually never did that Random Mission, I think I have 85 left to complete still

@Supersonic6427 5 ай бұрын

Honestly, I really wish the random missions were a little more interesting and actually difficult. I've completed all 255, and a large majority of them are very repetitive and most of the time boring. I did get to learn some stuff from them like the Glaive Lord can pop camo. I thought that was a BTDB exclusive since it seems overtime the game started buffing certain towers like the ice monkey so they can pop camo.

@tomsmithok 4 ай бұрын

the real worst upgrade is using more bananas and banana plantation with banks in btd5 (it does nothing)

@Phenomix 4 ай бұрын

@@tomsmithok I thought they actually made cash generate more quickly

@tomsmithok 4 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix they do, I just felt like intentionally spreading misinformation on the internet

@Copydog2686 5 ай бұрын

aaaaayy les go my guy, 4:07, flawless logical argument.

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

Aye bro you were like the first person who found my channel before the videos started picking up

@Copydog2686 5 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix well im glad ur getting the clout u deserve my guy

@Bushy-guy 4 ай бұрын

4:07 “if someone threw a pile of nails at you, you’d probably call that a projectile.” No, i don’t think you’d be alive to call it a projectile.

@thedudewholives3099 5 ай бұрын

Didn't think you could upload this quickly with the quality of the content, but it's so refreshing getting a constant stream of videos from a quality KZbinr! Keep up the good work, and I hope you get big soon!

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

Dude seriously thank you so much for leaving such a nice comment

@DrFuture-81 5 ай бұрын

This was honestly a really good video, trust me man, you will blow up just keep doing what you are doing!

@napalmzombie848 5 ай бұрын

Really creative challenge! Another awesome video :D

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

@jasonchiu272 5 ай бұрын

Some other towers you can place down in this challenge (but must upgrade all the way to that path) is 4-0 sub monkey and village. I wouldn't count 4-0 tack shooter because its projectile is fire while 4-0 sub monkey's weapon is an aura of radiation. However, you can argue that the bloontonium atoms are shooting the radiation outwards, therefore counting the radiation as a projectile.

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

Oh yeah the 4-0 sub would've been a great idea. Unfortunately I do have the Pro Portable Lake unlocked, which adds an attack to it, but it's not really a projectile attack anyways so idk

@jasonchiu272 5 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix Slapping things should not be a projectile since nothing leaves the attacker.

@genio2509 5 ай бұрын

If the atoms are shooting the photons that are the radiation, then the Village is shooting electrons at the Bloons

@5h3i1ah_and_Nik0 5 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix the Portable Lake Pro's attack is only an ability and thus completely avoidable, so it's one of the few Pro Agents you can effectively use as just its base form!

@myvalekcz6656 4 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix you can also unlock pro portable lake for free. you just need a random mission that gives you a free portable lake then place it and reset it until you get it. im not sure if it works on pc though, but it does work on mobile.

@tnsquidd 5 ай бұрын

As much as I would love to see the chipper come to btd6, I can understand why they scrapped it

@mistershadester 4 ай бұрын

honestly, I don’t really see much of an excuse, everything about it that makes it unfair can be worked around imo

@kjoipn 3 ай бұрын

mermonkey bottom path is the closest thing we will get

@Void_guy_3755 5 ай бұрын

Yes! Another banger from phenomix! 👾

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

At your service 🫡

@margerinethacker6499 5 ай бұрын

idk why i figured you meant no projectiles in a mechanical sense. At that point it would just become a snipers only run basically

@hongxiawang2049 5 ай бұрын

If you think about it the farms Projectile is bananas and banana crates so in my opinion, farm shouldn't be allowed

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

I guess you could say that, but i mean this challenge wouldn't be possible without them and I think it's fair to say that a projectile pretty much always pertains to a weapon specifically. That's why I didn't use the banana farmer pro.

@Heligoland360 5 ай бұрын

@@PhenomixBy that logic the sniper should be allowed because with no shrapnel, no projectile is made.

@Kali-bs7oj 3 ай бұрын

@@Heligoland360the bullet is the projectile?

@Jane-vy6mf 5 ай бұрын

BTD5 videos are awesome🔥🔥

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

I'm glad you enjoy them!

@Heligoland360 5 ай бұрын

Sniper monkey surely? There's no projectile, it's just hitscan pretty sure.

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

I guess you can't actually see the projectile on screen but surely they're supposed to be firing a bullet in theory, so that's why I didn't use them for this challenge.

@schmeedorcocloa1986 5 ай бұрын

@@Phenomixninja kiwi did confirm they have a projectile in a blog post I believe

@a.m.p.m.2608 Ай бұрын

I recently found out, after years of playing BTD5, you can pop the bloons on the victory screen. You might know this already but I figured I would share anyways.

@Phenomix Ай бұрын

Yeah I actually did that by accident once a few months ago lol

@5h3i1ah_and_Nik0 5 ай бұрын

unnecessarily in-depth technical detail here cuz i got rambly. immediate failure, if we're analyzing this on a technical level. spike piles are Projectiles. a "Projectile" is a physical object in the game world that can collide with bloons as well as use "Movement" (though obviously road spikes don't do that). when colliding with bloons (or when terminating, in some special cases), it executes some or all of its nested tasks, including Damage. RoadSpikes is a tower that can only be placed on the track, and when placed, it fires its weapon and immediately destroys itself. the weapon spawns a Projectile with 10 pierce, which collides with any bloon touching it, every frame that the bloon is touching it, and which has graphics to visually show its pierce. the Projectile executes a Damage task (Piercing, 1 damage) on hit bloons. pineapples are legal though! the ExplodingPineapple tower behaves in pretty much exactly the same way, but instead of a Projectile, its weapon spawns a three-second TimerFire with a pineapple graphic and a countdown graphic. after the timer ends, it spawns an AreaOfEffect with 50 Range and 40 MaxTargets, plus an Effect task with an explosion graphic (Effects with the "Explosion.json" graphic automatically play the explosion sfx). the AreaOfEffect executes a Damage task (Explosive, 1 damage) on hit bloons. Bloonchipper is actually just about completely illegal! It uses a Projectile spawned on the target in order to move it. very technical exclusion though, i would not blame you for allowing this even with this knowledge in mind. legal and hypothetically-at-all-useful towers for this challenge would include - 4/x Tack Shooter (AreaOfEffect) - the entire Sniper tower (no projectile, just applies Damage and StatusEffects tasks directly to bloons. the Supply Drop ability spawns an aircraft tower which itself spawns a Collectable that grants cash) - x/4 Ninja ability - Ice Monkey up to 4/2, plus x/4 Ice ability (the freeze attack, Arctic Wind's slow aura, and the Absolute Zero ability are AreaOfEffect . ice shards are in fact projectiles, but so long as an x/4 Ice Monkey never attacks, its ability is completely legal, as it does not apply ice shards to bloons... come to think of it, it would make a lot of sense for it to that. buuuut it doesn't) - x/4 Glue ability (very silly option tho) - x/4 Bucc ability (the task that spawns its harpoon is literally a "Harpoon" task, not a "Projectile" task, so it is legally not a projectile); _technically_ x/2 Crows Nest with the Specialty (grants camo to nearby towers. but like, just use a Radar Scanner Village) - Exploding Pineapple road item - Monkey Village (the Energy Beacon attack is a ChainTasks task, exactly like Apprentice lightning, just configured to only hit one bloon each shot. not a Projectile) - Banana Farm (Collectables are not Projectiles) - Mortar Monkey (no Projectiles here, just AreaOfEffect directly at the target location) - x/4 Heli abilities (Collectables are, again, not Projectiles. Redeploy is also obviously not a projectile. just make sure the heli doesn't get too close to a bloon, it will fire) - Submerged Subs (AreaOfEffect, not Projectiles) - x/4 Engi ability (TowerModifier, not a Projectile) - x/4 Chipper ability (the ability can stall Camos even when the tower itself can't detect them); you can also use it as a Farmer with its Specialty-enabled CollectCollectables task, i guess

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for giving such a technical explanation and sharing so much game knowledge! If you'd ever ne down to talk on something like Discord just let me know, it would really help being able to ask you some questions for future challenges if you wouldn't mind. I do think that it's fair to say, from the perspective of the viewer, a lot of those things would feel like projectiles that don't technically count. Like I knew the Sniper uses hitscan and directly applies damage to its target, but the game wants us to believe that the Sniper is firing a projectile bullet. I was going to use the Ninja but I just couldn't find a spot where it wouldn't attack any bloons lol.

@5h3i1ah_and_Nik0 5 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix dunno if my previous comment got outright deleted or just spam filtered, but uh. yeah, @5h3i1ah, feel free to honestly i feel like i'm walking on a minefield sometimes trying to write youtube comments without tripping something and getting shadow realmed, i think you get what the @ means ^^

@Aytug6969 5 ай бұрын

Can make only bloon chippers in Hard 140 round?

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

That's a good question I wonder how far they could get since they struggle with crowd control

@lightbulbgd466 5 ай бұрын

I’m copying this strat for BTD battles

@Rink-fu4vk 5 ай бұрын

W h a t

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

I saw they actually made the Chipper's Wide Funnel able to suck in ZOMGs again

@Supersonic6427 5 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix That was nerfed in BTDB???

@hugoplayz1234-p1d 3 ай бұрын

In mastery mode do bloons are harder and stuff cost more?

@Phenomix 3 ай бұрын

Stuff doesn't cost more but all bloons are 1 rank higher so round 1 starts with Blue Bloons and so on

@hugoplayz1234-p1d 3 ай бұрын

That aint that hard if u have double cash mode ty for information I will like your video

@bluewatergamingromania.m 5 ай бұрын

No towers is like is not allowed spike factory/spike shooter tack shooter.

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

That's true in the 6th game but I think in the first 5, everything is technically classified as a tower.

@rivianexcel763 5 ай бұрын

would sniper count as projectile user or no?

@Phenomix 5 ай бұрын

I would count its bullet as a projectile personally

@nicathenoob19 5 ай бұрын

@@Phenomix mortar?

@5h3i1ah_and_Nik0 5 ай бұрын

@@nicathenoob19 on a technical level, neither Mortar nor Sniper use any "Projectile" attacks, Sniper applies Damage and StatusEffects directly to the target while Mortar spawns an AreaOfEffect directly at the target location which subsequently applies Damage and StatusEffects. however, the challenge is meant to be moreso from a layman's perspective of what a projectile _would_ be, and both bullets and mortar shells are absolutely projectiles.