Beating Order of Ecclesia In Like 30 Minutes

[@JupiterClimb]

Order of Ecclesia Any% is now one of the most broken Castlevania speedruns, so if you're looking for an explanation, here's a video I made that talks about some of the new discoveries: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGG9ZGmGapaEotk

[@nananamamana3591]

I *KNEW* the breakthrough would mean the next video was an OoE run! *YEAR OF BEST GIRL NEVER ENDS*

[@jruler93]

Beautiful run, JC. Congrats on the new WR. I'm so glad the Dominus Collection has given new life to the DS 'Vania speedrun scene, for this game to be broken at long last. I remember an old GDQ run of this game from 2014-2015 where they hoping never to get Magical Tickets, because they sold most of the stuff they didn't use, and Magical Tickets don't sell for much. But now Magical Tickets are the key to the speedrun.

[@DZELION]

In celebration of the new route discovery: AN ABRIDGED SUMMARY OF THE NEW (TOTALLY) OFFICIAL LORE OF ORDER OF ECCLESIA In our new run, Shanoa has become SENTIENT to her status as a protagonist upon losing her emotions, opting to leave the boss rush through the 4th wall and fully realize her inner (lv.50) strength. In becoming sentient, she rapidly susses out the plot, deciding that she's more interested in finding albus **NOW** instead of silly villagers, to show him her raaaadical new powers! Unfortunately she accidentally murders her adopted brother, for he was no match for the hussle™. But it's okay because she also learned the art of necromancy guys! Truly, her full potential realized. So as any good sister would, she murders Albus twice to make sure she did a thourough job, and because what better way to complete [Dominus] ™®©then get four pieces? It's more than three. Ignore the two Albuses (Albi? We need a plural term for multiple Albuses, he's rapidly multiplying.) chilling inside the glyph because of this, she needs the moral support. Since hell could never hold her (ba dun tsss) she then proceeds to ressurect herself strictly through her overwhelming faith, in herself, outpeforming Dracula, who can only do that through some convoluted means every so years. Truly, Ecclesia has mastered his teachings to the point of even mastering alchemy! In fully realizing her potential and transcending death, Shanoa proceeds to uhm... (reads notes)...turn into a cat, then the hidden THIRD Albus, through forbidden magic, cartwheeling at mach 4 directly out from boss rush and to Dracula's chamber, smashing strait through the statue of cerberus that protects him to establish domin....us. (ba dum tss) She then proceeds to immediately maul the vampire using a mail-to-order lightsaber she bought a little bit before the events of the story. All hail Shanoa, the weapon to surpass the Belmont bloodline. Comedic lore readjustments aside, congratulations on WR Jupiter! I love watching your runs! Can't wait to see more Aria too. (And just how low Ecclesia gets shaved.)

[@IcyTaco776]

Wait Jup actually doing a speedrun of vanilla Shanoa mode?? I never thought I'd see the day

[@nananamamana3591]

Well that's because now there's more tech to it than "optimize your moment and pray for good RNG"

[@orichumo]

Tbf Albus did show up

[@s1nnergy]

@@nananamamana3591movement*

[@BrookeSpeedruns]

@@nananamamana3591 NMG has less RNG and is more difficult than this category.

[@MitoRequiem]

It became broken enough for him :^)

[@TheTolnoc]

I still can't get over how Demon was such a popular soul in Dawn that they made it a plot-critical ability for the story of Ecclesia.

[@dragonlash]

That warp from the first boss to the monastery made me double take Bravo good sir

[@thatoneautistickid9386]

same here

[@gabrielcastejon7914]

Finally, OoE getting the love it deserves, the absolute gem

[@HarbingerYT]

I need to see this run animated. Just seeing Shanoa backflip at light-speeds, and break reality by constantly starting Boss Rush Mode is insane.

[@jruler93]

What, like TerminalMontage's "Something About " series?

[@willo90li]

that would be the dream

[@HarbingerYT]

Or ScottFalco's Totally Legit speedrun animations. ​@@jruler93

[@_JPkun]

Chat: Jupiter! You forgot to save the villagers! Jupiter: Two steps ahead... I am always two steps ahead.

[@miasma82]

I just wanted to say that i recently got into playing castlevania randomizers after watching your videos. Having lots of fun! ☺️✌️

[@RolandTheJabberwocky]

Congrats! Not to surprised to see you knock it out of the park post skip discovery. Also, I wanted to share some knowledge on the black magic of Portrait of Ruin's drop system in case you wanted to make a tip video on it. If you farm an easy drop enemy like a zombie and it drops its first slot item (rotton meat) and rewind to before killing it, the next enemy you kill, no matter where it is, they are guaranteed to drop their first slot item. Same thing goes for the second drop, get a shirt drop from zombie, rewind, next enemy is guaranteed a second slot drop. I don't know if this translates to Dawn or Order yet, but it makes portrait WAY less grindy for a casual 100%.

[@wygolvillage2637]

In Dawn you can rewind to before the final hit on an enemy and re-input it to reroll your odds (very helpful for bulky enemies like Iron Golem), it's the same for the GBA games iirc. Portrait and Ecclesia are different for sure though. I assume Ecclesia has a similar system to Portrait? But I'll leave the testing to those more qualified.

[@DiegoG2004]

In classic Castlevania manner, Shanoa backdashes her way through reality.

[@justguy-4630]

I love the music in Order of Ecclesia. Can't get enough of it.

[@blackhogarth4049]

Holy smokes! This is how I felt when I first started watching your channel and I didn't know what suspending was!

[@samuelviden7412]

Congrats! I never got around to Ecclesia back when I had a DS; thoroughly enjoying it in the Dominus Collection!

[@metalmonster9536]

First time seeing an OoE speedrun and using the boss rush to actually rush to the boss was fantastic 😂

[@lukewood2662]

I legit think this is the most beautiful and charming Castlecania handheld, possibly all-time 2d Castlevania. Also it's crazy fun, nice atmosphere.

[@xombiemike]

New races to the OoE WR must be great in the CV community. I hope Jupe stays on top!

[@StormDragonZ]

I literally just watched the 33:04 run last night! Also, you didn't save the kitty. Save the animals! :P

[@edgecolthearts8096]

Saw this and thought how'd I miss this run! anyways a really good run none the less

[@TheTolnoc]

It's funny, I discovered the Magnes Backdash tech naturally years ago, but never used it because of how much MP it ate up. Now it's actually a viable option thanks to the 50 skip.

[@QCCBigZam]

This has been a wild ride to experience. Good job!! Shout outs to dominus collection GOTY

[@ryozaki96]

I'm glad something was discovered in the game and made Jup play it XD

[@romscout]

I'm guessing the map exit and Arthro kill are both frame perfect in that first sequence, but maybe there's something I don't understand. Can't get that trick to work to save my life. gg on the new routing and the run! been a lot of fun to see this run develop again recently

[@JupiterClimb]

So the Arthroverta trick works by moving the map marker on the map screen BEFORE teleporting to the boss. It specifically has to be the off-screen map marker (you can see just a few pixels at the top of the screen by default).

[@rubenabrego6762]

​@JupiterClimb was wracking my brain trying it myself, thanks for taking the time to explain 🙏✌️

[@rubenabrego6762]

OMG it work !!!! 😮

[@romscout]

@@JupiterClimb that is really funny, especially since the more obvious marker just crashes the game lol. thanks for explaining!

[@jeezboidamian8139]

Hell yeah, Shanoa mode! Let's freakin' go! 🎉🎉🎉 After the last video, I wondered -- I hoped, and it came true! Year of Shadow? Hmph, more like Year of Shanoa!

[@grantsplays7980]

ECCLESIA SPEEDRUN IS FINALLY HERE!! Been waiting like 3 years for this lol

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

It took a rerelease to drag him back in. Konami planned this all along.

[@dabiggestratintown]

In like 30 minutes idk

[@PikangsFutaba]

Interesting how messy this game is to the point that Boss Rush is the gateway for speedrun shenanigans (yeah... you need to beat the game first before you can attempt a speedrun if you go to that glitchy route... also a shame we can't get early access to Hard Mode since we don't have that Wii Judgement + DS Order of Ecclesia connection... I think that also was a thing for Portrait of Ruin but I can't remember if on that one also applies). Edit: Dang, you made look Barlowe and Dracula like a joke (well, Barlowe at least has good lines in one of his attacks reflecting how dissapointed was with Shanoa discovering the truth of his plans), yeah... the game is fun to do a speed-run, but you're kinda at the RNG mercy in some cases like that transformation Glyph, but it is what it is.

[@plabcentral630]

My 4th favorite game of all time, finally broken. I’m intentionally not gonna learn this trick so when I play it it takes longer. Love this game.

[@santiagowilkinson8]

Awesome Jup ❤

[@Jimbobluejay]

WOW, great run.

[@Giffsen]

I'm only sad that now you don't need to save the cat 😞

[@braindent6464]

The great boss rush escape is siiick

[@enlongjones2394]

Yeah! The ticket warp is such a fun trick

[@Mantorok12]

your backflips are so dang fast

[@thenonexistinghero]

Well gonna save watching this run for a few weeks from now. Since I'm currently working on OoE I'd like to keep the experience somewhat fresh. Yes, I did already beat the game quite a few times years ago, but it's been quite a while. Watching this would take away some of the freshness of my current playthrough since there's a lot of stuff that I just forgot.

[@jruler93]

Yeah, fair enough. Similarly, I was waiting 'till I beat the games myself before I watched Dr4gonBlitz's series on getting all achievements in the collection, since he started with Ecclesia, which was the last one I did.

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@jruler93 Oh yeah, same here. If I already know I'm gonna buy a game, I avoid watching further trailers and gameplay demos for most part. I used to watch gameplay demonstrations and whatnot, but they also only used to be a few minutes for most part pre-release. But this day and age you can often bury yourself in hours and hours of footage before a game even releases and I feel like that really takes away from the freshness of the experience when I do finally get to play it. On a similar note, when I am playing a game the first time through or after having not played it for years, I do feel like it also takes away of that experience if I watch other people play it when I'm already playing. If I've already beaten it (or beaten it again) that's no problem though. It's mainly for the first run or the first run in years.

[@fatmouth007]

5:18 you can skip the bells ringing by pressing start!

[@saidbrizzo2187]

Huh? And Just Yesterday I Finished Order Of Ecclesia On My Switch Lmao Congrats for another World Record JC Now i'll be waiting for the Albus Mode WR

[@JP54704]

Sub 30 should totally be doable. Can't wait to see who'll do it first.

[@Shatter149]

its weird seeing major glitch on OOC after a long decade.

[@jlkgmbh2919]

What are my eyes seeing from level 1 to level 50 How the heck😂

[@enlongjones2394]

On the subject of giant’s dwelling. Is it leaving Somnus Reef that puts it on the map, or the cutscene in the village? I suppose it’s not too important either way, since somnus reef also has a heart max up for the later bosses.

[@kodexwatson]

How did you do the super fast magnes BDCs? Theres no buttons lighting up, is it a touchscreen thing?

[@johnnymeteo]

I've been playing this game all wrong.

[@alexsudati]

Pardon my ignorance, I understand that the faster backdash spamming requires being hit, but... What are you pressing? lol It doesn't show on the input display. Is it a keyboard exclusive thing?

[@JupiterClimb]

I use a never-before-seen velcro controller in addition to Gamepad with keyboard rebindings. Copy-paste info: "I attached a velcro square onto the back of my numpad USB, then used Gorilla Glue to affix a velcro strip to the top of a buckle strap, which I have fastened above my right knee." This allows for keyboard-like controls on the fly, which as you can see is VERY fast.

[@bread-b5x]

Hey man, did you remove the order of ecclesia glyph tier list video?, I have been looking for it but I haven't been able to find it

[@JupiterClimb]

I did yeah, super outdated at this point & I didn't want to spread misinfo. I'd like to make an update video in the future!

[@bread-b5x]

@@JupiterClimb oh, that's alright

[@zevory]

How do You backdash so fast ? The control tracker doesnt show up any inputs

[@Gecti]

Yas! I love ooe! Wish youd do more casual and challenge runs of it… i know i’m selfish 🥺 do it 😑

[@Rime388]

i do not like castlevania much but i can make a small excetpion for Order of Ecclesia.......glitchless you say, Modern Gaming: did some one say glitch

[@kingjamesbond4009]

Jc I have a question for the large cavern. what do you do for the double hammers? I'm level 37 and just got to the mechanical Tower.

[@wygolvillage2637]

I heard using Volaticus + Globus can cheese them

[@deltaquarayza]

Didn't pick up every cat, invalid run

[@bread-b5x]

Hey man, where did the order of eclcesia glyph tier list video go?

[@enlongjones2394]

Do you think there’ll be separate speed run categories for OOE now that we have these boss rush escape glitches?

[@wygolvillage2637]

No doubt there will be a glitchless category, most games have one

[@juanjovaldivieso2972]

isn't boss rush unlocked after the game is first beaten? or did that change in the new collection thing

[@Mykahaia]

Did you ever play Shaman King master of Spirits?

[@mmaldonadoofficial]

Do you watch Ratatoskr? He's also a content creator here on YT. I just thought you sounded very similar to him in the way that you sound when you speak.

[@rubenabrego6762]

How are your back dashes so fast !!! There's not even any inputs showing on the input display lol , it's like your just using E.S.P or something 😂 absolutely mind blowing.

[@JupiterClimb]

velcro controller, it's hard to explain

[@danouncer7365]

I just played this again on ps5; this is a great game but I like the other 2 over this by that I mean dawn and portrait - shes a cool character; I never used her in dissonoance? wtf that ps3 game was called - but I wonder if she gets a form of these moves; she gets shortcuts like julius does.

[@wannabecinnabon]

I don't usually feel this way towards glitched CV speedruns (though they are obviously very cool to watch in their own right) but this seems like a genuinely really fun category to run, even if Redire will be sorely missed. Also, do we know if Dominus is faster/slower than DS at this point? I would assume it's somehow faster due to the fact that everybody is running on it RN, but I'm not really sure what would make it so. Isn't just resetting your DS/emu faster than going into the menu to reset?

[@JupiterClimb]

At the moment it's safe to say that DS is slowest and Dominus vs emulation is unclear, might depend on the category. But everyone is moving to Dominus for a whole bunch of reasons (plays better, looks better, multiplatform, more control binding options). There are separate SRC leaderboards for each and I expect 95+% of future submissions will be played on the Dominus Collection.

[@wannabecinnabon]

@@JupiterClimb Plays better? Can you elaborate on what you mean by that? This is admittedly a me problem, but I like playing these sorts of games on keyboard for the most part and as far as I've heard there's no ingame rebinding of keyboard controls, which makes me a little hesitant to drop 25 on games I already have, but if it is really that nice I might just grab it anyhow...

[@JupiterClimb]

@@wannabecinnabon By "plays better" I mean no input delay, no audio delay, and all the QoL improvements. Have you heard of Windows Keyboard Manager? Part of PowerToys, it's a very easy way to rebind keyboard controls, I've been using it for speedruns.

[@clooebooie]

how do you do the super fast backflip spam? the way ive been doing it was just mashing back and forth between L and R but looking at your controller inputs whenever you do it after getting the magnes glyph, most of the time i dont see any buttons lighting up

[@DeskoDev]

It's numpad inputs. From his Discord: "I attached a velcro square onto the back of my numpad USB, then used Gorilla Glue to affix a velcro strip to the top of a buckle strap, which I have fastened above my right knee"

[@Steele47]

Crouch cancel

[@clooebooie]

@@Steele47 interesting, can you go into the specific button inputs?

[@Steele47]

Scratch that, it's indeed the R/L mashing as to why no input register, probably due to analog trigger being ultra sensitive and the program is not adjusted to any input less than certain % of travel distance, or unable to

[@DeskoDev]

@@Steele47 I did mention the specific setup that Jup used, but it got hidden. Change the way comments are sorted and it should show up in this thread.

[@mememe628]

But how will you know the names of enemies?? KOther than the always visible drop table, that is.)

[@enlongjones2394]

Wait, you can get the first boss’s room to open in boss rush mode? How do you do that? Is it just fighting the thing in boss rush before fighting it in the main game?

[@Mercury-ok8ie]

See his other video about order of ecclesia

[@JupiterClimb]

This is a brand new trick, so to explain: You can open the Arthroverta boss door by going to the map screen and moving the off-screen map marker on-screen. I am not kidding, this actually works!!

[@enlongjones2394]

@@JupiterClimb oh wow that’s hilarious! Makes you wonder what other stuff is hidden in the mechanics used to create boss rush mode. Something I noticed when trying this. Don’t press X (or Triangle in this case, I think) to recall ALL the map markers in boss rush mode’s first screen. For some reason that made Shanoa unable to move horizontally.

[@JupiterClimb]

@@enlongjones2394 Yeah, it's worth noting that messing with some of the map pins can cause crashes on Dominus and memory corruptions on DS. The boss door trick is stable at least.

[@wygolvillage2637]

WR ALREADY????

[@CyanPile312]

Guys what do you mean is not Nintesco? Why nobody told me? I looked like an idiot!!!!

[@CollectedG]

Bro. How did you go from level 1 to level 50 within 5 minutes?

[@HarbingerYT]

Boss Rush sets you to level 50. They start boss rush on a new file (post tutorial), and start boss rush on that file. Because Arthroverta isn't defeated yet, after it is defeated, the doors open like a normal playthrough, after which, you can go and save, and basically start at Level 50.

[@CollectedG]

@@HarbingerYT That's crazy.

[@Lynas82]

I don’t understand what is going on in this run

[@triplestagger]

are u really a ps3 controller?

[@McBobX]

Can't wait to push this to the limit in a TAS!

[@CovenantLazzy]

32:24 the voiceline is kinda glitch never seen that before

[@locoyeji8266]

Sounds like somas claymore/great sword voice when he uses it

[@CovenantLazzy]

@@locoyeji8266 No it when shanoa uses dominus

[@s1nnergy]

Holy effing ess let’s effing GO!!!!!!

[@s1nnergy]

I’ve never been so sad to see the Monastery 🥲

[@Mechaneon9424]

I've made a Castlevania portrait of ruin bosses tire list.

[@ToyKeeper]

Neat, and congrats! About Dominus vs traditional emulators though, what is it about Dominus that makes it feel so much better to you?

[@JupiterClimb]

No input delay, no audio delay, crisp visuals, and quality-of-life improvements are the main things I'd say

[@Djieff]

good job hacking the game

[@lifeiaskedfor]

sir this is not "like 30 mins" this is clearly 32 mins and 27 seconds. You'll be hearing from my time lawyer for my 2 mins and 27 seconds back in all serious GGs, good run

[@GujinGod]

0:29 hawk tuah