Are You Really a Beta Quadra Type? (With examples) - Socionics

[@deetee33]

First off, revolutionary is the perfect word! Having been typed Beta by you, I definitely felt like you did the Quadra justice. I have many thoughts on what you said, and want to share my own perspective and knowledge on how I came to similar conclusions; essentially I want to deepen the points presented here :) The point you made about TeSe being a “project for the self” is a great one. I believe (generally and ideologically) that FiTe is very individualistic while TiFe is collectivistic. I’ve also observed that Belta (Beta, Delta) and Galpha (Gamma, Alpha) similarities are very real because of the ST/NF and NT/SF blocks and properties. I’ve found that most techies are Beltas-I believe this is due to the realistic/technical nature of ST and the transformative/humanistic nature of NF. Betas being “lowkey cultish” is true. While Gammas are hustlers for the self, Betas are hustlers for their pack. They are ride or die-but only for whoever they accept into their fold or their ideology. Not everyone gets to make it into this fold. Betas can have sort of a “you can’t sit with us” mentality sometimes and they can be community gatekeepers. You hit the nail on the head with this point when you said “know your territory” and “me vs them.” “This is not like this” is a great spot, and a good description. Betas specifically are big on delineating things. What things are, what they aren’t, what things are alike, etc. This is because 1) NiSe is more likely to group and conclude on things, whereas NeSi will keep things open and adopt an “anything is possible” mentality. 2) Ji in general delineates things because of the internal compass-it needs to know whether something internally aligns or not. But Ti specifically does this in a more detached and negativistic way. As in, they will more readily negate what something is, rather than affirm… which is what causes the “us vs them” mentality because they see what group attributes are alike vs not. Indeed, the “crisp TiNi” like you said is at work here. I’ve come to similar observations about Betas and social charisma. Betas aren’t socially awkward because social awkwardness implies that there is lack of intention and control. Betas approach sociality with pointedness and intention, generally. The only time I’ve seen real Betas (not counting neurodivergence cases) describe themselves as socially awkward is if they’ve gotten too deep into typology and have studied all the “INFJ” stereotypes and cherrypick “socially awkward” moments within themselves to fit the type. I think the one socially DISgraceful thing that Betas will identify with though, is bluntness. They can cut to the chase with the crisp TiFe and direct SeNi. Sometimes when heavily disagreeing with something, they can overshoot their message and come off more harshly than they expect to. The Se visceral force takes over sometimes and it’s hard to pull the brakes when you’re feeling passionate. Beta rage is a thing.

[@isabelaortega5249]

being a Delta myself, I think on the outside both quadras can look similar because they're very opinionated but Deltas have more of a "come to me if you want to hear what are my values" approach. I can go on rants with my friends, talk a lot, write books about what is wrong eith the world, but like... There's this idea of "we don't TALK about this enough". We believe a lot in the power of words while the Betas are most likely to take action based on the picture they paint with Ni

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

What's interesting about the Beta quadra is that they both contain the most animalistic/primitive extroverted functions (Se, Fe) as for example example a wolf/lion group, yet also have the least animalistic/primitive functions and least lively, most robotic introverted functions (Ti, Ni). They are most attached to the real world of humans on the outside (Se, Fe), yet most detached on the inside. What's also interesting is how this translates to their processing time. In the moment they seem to see just what's there without much systematization and do not seem quick to pick up the _hidden_ mechanics of things, yet when you give them enough time to process things they can process things deeply. They translate the clearly observable world into deep mechanics, without nessisarily knowing or understanding the steps in between. They basically go from A to Z without knowing what's in between. While this is of course their strength, at the same time it can be their weakness as it makes them be so deeply invested in a theoretical idea that these can become colored glasses through which they see the world. Once they believe in it, they can become so invested with the idea that this idea is then projected upon on reality, whether it's actually true or not. So they are most objective when it comes to things like humans and kinaesthetics in the moment, but most subjective, long term when it comes to believing in certain hidden, underlaying, logical understandings of the world. They in this sense are the complete opposite of the Gamma quadra (Ne, Te, Si, Fi), which tends to base their understanding on the more clearly observable objectively data/ideas (Te, Ne/Si) at the expensive of a deep understanding of the mechanics of the world. However, they will be less likely be fooled into _fully_ believing/investing into concepts/philosophies that might or might not be true like the beta's. (As always , it's a double edged sword)

[@beatofmyown]

You talked about the opposite sides of a quadra tugging at each other to form the whole. I think this comment sums up those oppositions perfectly for the delta/beta.

[@hirsch4155]

You mean Delta not Gamma, right ?

[@Monkitops3702]

When are you going to put out some content?

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

@@Monkitops3702 who, me?

[@Monkitops3702]

@@PowerRedBullTypology 💯

[@RaffertyMBTI]

Really great video, fun to watch and also a take I'd never really heard before that ultimately adds up. Thanks for filling in some of the holes not yet permeated by the content of other MBTI specialists.

[@rob_cpt]

This is great! I like the mentioning of the similarities in between quadras like beta vs delta. We can see how complimentary they are. Delta's TeNe gives them that view that we're all in this sort of "-ism" machine, with FiSi giving them the identities and experiences of being cogs in that machine. Beta's TiNi forms their own original sense of what that machine should be, and in incorporating that via FeSe. This is what gives them that revolutionaries vibe :) Shoutout to the alphas and gammas too, they have their own complimentary thing of universal vs individual. There's no individual without knowing the universal, and there's no universal without summing the individuals.

[@thecommenter2711]

Actions have consequences but inaction does too As many impressions accumulate it is harder and harder to look away But a person alone can only achieve so much, and not all paths lead towards a worthwhile goal Just got to take it all a step at a time, while taking note of the misteps on the way so those who follow can find their way too

[@johnknight9150]

Whoah, cool song at the end!

[@lollmylifex3]

note: Steve Jobs and Jony Ive are ENTJ & ISFP. Elon Musk is INTJ. They are gammas! All about Te-Se creating tangible things for a Fi-Ni good/meaningful future: popularizing smartphones, minimalistic yet stylistic tech design, and electric cars for the masses.

[@majavidova4311]

😮 no, I don't want to be beta

[@CompactCognition]

As an ISTP, thanks for this. I’m a big fan of the quadra groupings, and highlighting the shared virtues and values in these

[@RaffertyMBTI]

Just rewatched this again because I love it so much - ISTP

[@beatofmyown]

Thank you! ☺️

[@minty4022]

I love your videos, I feel like I can better understand and see the differences on the types!! Keep up the hard work!!!

[@FartherReach]

I disagree that the Beta Quadra is socially smooth, because it all depends. Extraverted betas that I know are smooth in groups, the larger the better, but they stumble when it comes to more intimate interactions. Conversely, introverted betas tend to be fabulous one-on-one (unless they're in their shadow (which seems to happen a lot)), but they seem lost and out of place in groups and are some of the most misunderstood people, including ISTPs.

[@DreamxCreature]

Exactly right. The true introverts are not going to be out there in the real physical world with their revolution, but using an intermediary medium e.g. the internet, art, writing a book (dystopian fiction comes to mind) etc.

[@DreamxCreature]

Figures like government worker Edward Snowden, the artist Banksy, and George Orwell come to mind. They desired to remain hidden while adamantly spreading and impressing on the world the value of dissent, revolution, and good vs evil.

[@oliviacalton8477]

Perfect! Thank you! ❤️

[@choonblaze]

Aimee, you're our only hope! I'm serious. We need good teachers and we need em bad. Digging into socionics is such a boon and more people should learn. Enough with the mbti skit memers who don't understand anything about the functions and don't even know what socionics is. Am I enough EIE yet? Lol. I cannot stand differing opinions or stupid people. I'm actually typed SEE and gamma quadra for life is my motto but EIE and beta isms keep creeping in :)

[@beatofmyown]

Thank you for your encouraging words. It really means a lot. ☺️ And EIE, huh? Does the EIE resonate with you more than gamma SEE? 😝

[@choonblaze]

@@beatofmyown you're welcome and glad you're still around. I definitely have some Gamma complexes, especially the issues revolving around possibilites or bad Ne. I'm also "violently" democratic and don't care about hierarchy or collective goals which should eliminate Beta as I feel a stronge presence of Fi and Te. I don't know what's going on with EIE but I fit almost perfectly to EIE-Fe and EIE-C, both of which boost the Se. It's like a switch like when your brain perceives an optical illusion differently. It causes me to go "Wait, maybe I am aristocratic and a negativist! What was that comment I made yesterday about the working class? That can't be democratic!" But when push comes to shove, I reject any and all hierarchy in favor of keeping individualism. Also Polr Ti is what causes me the biggest problems and not Si. I almost always get tangled up with bypassing a rule or structure and my understanding of those are simply idiotic which fits the Polr description. Se is also the activating (hidden agenda) for EIE so I've heard many times people would type themselves with their activating functions as dominant. I've also heard that 4D Fe types are really arrogant, which I can say is true lol. Not in a malicious way but a sense of superiority caused by strong feeling functions and that no matter what happens, they can churn people up like butter. And also, I will not surrender, give power to anyone else or be controlled. It's literally the most important thing. Emotions and logic gets shutdown when that is under a threat. Kind of answered myself there, Se all the way :) Someone also suggested LIE (makes sense since it's Gamma) and said "Dude, you're the most Te person I've ever seen" so that's something. It's the hidden agenda of SEE also described as an unconscious valued function so maybe I'm not aware of it. Sorry for this long list but seeing you're also a SEE, maybe you've had similar experiences. You've probably answered most of these in these videos so I'm gonna watch again :)

[@jannekebrouwers6342]

When I read about Sonionics, I didn't see any match between an INFJ and the beta mentality, but I sure do now.

[@verntoews6937]

I am INFJ sigma and feel little connection to beta

[@FatefulMender89]

This refers to socionics so I’ll just call myself an SLE. I used to have a very us vs them mentality until I could no longer ignore how little sense my side was making. It really came to a head when I completely obliterated a position they all took on a specific event. The ad hominems thrown at me were so stupid I couldn’t even bring myself to get offended. These days I don’t think this way because I know that no collective has all the answers. I’m currently in the process of deciding every one of my views individually so that I’ll have my own ideology which has been well thought out. Unfortunately pretty much everybody hates me right now because I don’t allow an established narrative to influence what I believe

[@beatofmyown]

Makes sense! To add, I think the idea of creating your own consistent ideal to abide by IS the beta way. 🤣 So I can imagine in the future that you will create your own system, and then build a dedicated collective of your own from there. This can include your own family, friends, inner circle, etc.

[@hirsch4155]

I would suggest going against any attempt at creating a personal ideology. That sounds very Ne, or at least of another quadra . Unless, it’s not exactly ideology you’re looking for but rather rules to apply . Ideology in itself seems more Ne/Ti than Se/Ti. Beta concerns are more about application and rules. When Aimee says “abide by” this is very applicable to Beta though .

[@beatofmyown]

@@hirsch4155 I think “abidance” is definitely beta. One thing about beta types, I’ve noticed, is that they really dislike when people aren’t consistent with their actions and words. If you say you dislike somebody to a beta type, your actions better show exactly that. Otherwise, they can not take you seriously. Nobody takes these types of people seriously, but the betas are the least likely quadra to take you seriously, and they will be very open about that.

[@khadeejadja]

As an INFP, an encounter with an xSTP types is Butthurt Guaranteed...😅😅😅 Saying from terrible experiences. The late Diego Maradona was a classic type ESTP. Even his strong gaze and gaits were the telling signs of Beta Quadra, like those in Filatova's picture list. And bear in mind on his big social impact on people via his favorite sports -football/soccer. In Argentina and worldwide.

[@nyxcole9879]

So I'm an ESTP writing a book about a revolution-nice work haha

[@amberroses7285]

Really good video to the point, but you forgot the spiritual aspect of beta and the romanticism. That comes from ni and Fe Also most people hate beta especially when they find out they aren't one especially SEI who might think they are iei Most people especially online prefer the alpha quadra and most are alpha

[@nabeelmk1804]

Love your videos Describes "getting off your ass and physically moving people towards social justice" and cutting to Hitler was the funniest thing I've seen in a while (I'm not an alpha type I swear)

[@user-cu3ij1po9p]

Thought I was the only one who noticed that lmfao

[@NoOne-wt6om]

I have a question. Why do Socionists call ESTP the most leader type? Doesn't ENTJ make more sense for the leader stereotype? Most ESTPs I saw don't have interest in leadership/commanding..., I would rather call them carefree adventurers.

[@МанфредФонКарма]

LIE being leader stereotype? Seriously...

[@aureakia177]

Se in socionics is force and awareness of territory. The commander stereotype of the ENTJ came from 16p which just puts stupid names on MBTI while glazing some types and underrating some other types.

[@beatofmyown]

Do you know any beta quadra types? Share your experiences and insights down below! ⬇️ Thank you for watching! 😊

[@_linlin_]

Ngl this definitely showed me that I am Beta over Delta. I love books that are us vs them, me vs him etc. I have seen it in a lot of NiFe people. They love the X vs X aspect - love songs, videos, movies etc. Edit: The only thing I disagree with is the E/I and social awkwardness. I think that the first one depends on the knowledge of the person and the second one on the social experience - regardless of what an ESTP or an INFJ that hasn't had proper socialization will be socially awkward. I think it's more personalized.

[@beatofmyown]

@@_linlin_ But are you about that beta life tho? It’s one thing to like books/media about beta, but do you LIVE that life?

[@_linlin_]

​@@beatofmyownWell not the parties part lol, but I definitely related to collectivism and the constant need to fight for someone's rights and being vocal about social movements and participating. The me vs them mindset was definitely a problem of mine that made me relate to the Beta values, but I realised it's more of a greyish area.

[@aleaaerktyka1052]

my therapist is an infj and I am an isfp

[@khadeejadja]

Aryton Senna-INFJ Diego Maradona- ESTP Emi 'Dibu' Martinez-ESTP Romario-ESTP Lautaro Martinez-ISTP Paolo Rossi- ISTP Max Biaggi-ISTP The pivot point in their faces are their eyes- Beta Quadra hallmark.

[@Baamthe25th]

Lmao, the Hitler videos when talking about social Justice

[@beatofmyown]

I’m glad you caught that editing. 🤣

[@waitstill7091]

The Human Resistance vs Skynet (Man vs Machine) - The fictional character John Connor was a Beta Quadra Type.

[@PharelleJackson]

I Agree with this 100 percent

[@daveb5016]

As an ISTP, I think you do a really good job, I've enjoyed listening to a few of your videos and got some interesting information from them, good stuff to ponder. I only have one criticism for this video however. I would 'never' describe myself in the context of "social justice". Social Justice, in my opinion, is an ignoble post modern, Alinskyite, political apparatus, utilised by the Marxist Left, to exploit wedge issues and minorities, in order to further nefarious political ambitions, to concentrate power, wealth and control, into the hands of a select cabal of globalist elite. The social justice minded, see government as the solution. I on other hand, see government as the problem. I much prefer to associate myself with true justice, in the forms of libertarianism, objectivism, fiscal conservatism, limited government and the greatest personal freedom, 'without interference from government'.

[@isabelaortega5249]

so true!! really hard to think of an ESTP or ENFJ mistyping themselves as introverts! Also do you think the Kardashians are Gammas or was that just a representation? Most people seem to type them STJ, I'm just curious :)

[@FartherReach]

Revolutionary is a really interesting word. I have been working on the what to label the quadras problem for a while, and I don't think I would have ever come up with that word for any of them. However, I am an INFJ and my father is an ESTP, and we are both huge disruptors of the status quo. Personally, I can say that I have an allegiance to my fellow humans, but I think they are deluded and destructive in many ways. My father, on the other hand is hostile to humanity and wants to subvert the world in preparation for his own dominance. Fortunately for the world, as smart as my father is (and he's very smart), he's not a planner. For myself, I am reluctant to upset the status quo, in spite of my inclinations, because I am not convinced that I'm right, and I certainly know that there are other perspectives out there. I had an ISTP boyfriend once, and he was also a disruptor, albeit a covert one. I have a good friend who's an ENFJ, and she has rewritten reality from how she was taught, and she aggressively promotes her point of view.

[@caseypham7975]

didn't expect to see destiny on here lol

[@beatofmyown]

Just in case it was not clear in the video, he was NOT supposed to be an example of a beta type. 🤣

[@ThePhantom355]

Does Aimee Y still do typing sessions?

[@sharpiesarecool814]

im infp i love beta quadra

[@idiotslife8508]

That's logical. You have the same cognitive functions so nobody of them enables you

[@sharpiesarecool814]

@@idiotslife8508 yup i feel like it's an empty wasteland with people of the same quadra. i feel unimportant and there's nothing really there for me to bond with honestly. my parents are estj and enfp and around them i feel like dirt, and they don't really pay attention to me, they just focus on themselves or force me to listen to them talk about themselves. i hate it. i love them tho they are my parents.

[@dennishuang2753]

Coolest Quadra -Gamma

[@SpaceyNYC]

I wouldn''t say revolutionary is the best word, I'd instead say Loyalty is the best word to describe Beta. Beta Quadra is about having unwavering loyalty to a team or a cause. It doesn't have to be revolutionary it can be the opposite, defending an age old tradition or a team or nationality that has been around for ages. It's just about having loyalty towards said thing despite the circumstances, even if there's no Te benefit to it.

[@beatofmyown]

That makes sense. I’ve had experience with seemingly “disloyal” beta quadra types, but it can also be because they are loyal to something else, and I was outside that cause.

[@SpaceyNYC]

@@beatofmyown yeah I don’t think it’s one to one loyalty it’s more like loyalty to a idea or ideology or a cause that’s bigger than one individual, so they can be pretty disloyal to specific people but not the cause itself - and I feel like they might even be disloyal to their cause at times but they would probably never admit it or show it for the sake of the image of loyalty.

[@LonerWolf1224]

When it comes to aristocrats it's "Delta Quadra". Not "Beta Quadra". Deltas are the ones who always pursuing for status. Not Betas necessarily. (They can do it if they want to, I didn't say that they can't do it, but they're not necessarily hungry bout power dynamics) Because aristocracy is Fi - Te axis.. Not the other way around.

[@beatofmyown]

It’s the combination of the elements that makes the Quadra an aristocrat or democrat. Beta is aristocratic, even if they are not Fi-Te. Gammas are Fi-Te but certainly not an aristocratic Quadra.

[@LonerWolf1224]

​@beatofmyown Well.. I think you said the answer that I wanted. Well yeah Gamma's kinda are. If not then, why we call them as ''achievement oriented people'', They want that high-level of status to live life as well. Just like deltas, but not as severe like deltas. For an example an ISFP's will narrate a thousands of stories to keep their name clean on something. Sorry if this sounded offensive to you. But yeah Fi - Te is the only combo that cares bout reputation (aka aristocracy).

[@amalksuresh2538]

I hate beta quadra types and don't ever want to be in beta quandra lol

[@sharpiesarecool814]

as infp when im with the beta quadra, i don't compete with them. i listen to what they have to say and vice versa, that's why it is so compatible. or at least that's what it "feels" like. but yeah this gang/group/cult mentality they fall into is honestly scary. the elitism is gah me no likes

[@devinboss3307]

I'm still not following why ISTP is in this grouping.

[@daveb5016]

They all share the same cognitive function stack but in different orders. Ti, Se, Ni, Fe for ISTP and Ni, Fe, Ti, Se for INFJ for example.

[@devinboss3307]

@@daveb5016 yeah I get that, but at the same time, these types don’t resemble each other.

[@amalksuresh2538]

Socionics is flawed

[@devinboss3307]

@amalksuresh2538 I don't know enough about it to say it's flawed. Just confused by these groupings

[@amalksuresh2538]

@@devinboss3307 In my observations the general descriptions of quandra student apply to all 4 types within. Its heavily flawed in that aspect.I saw in another channel where each quadra is further split in to two. That's more accurate.I think it was 'cognitive typology 'channel

[@verntoews6937]

INFJ sees things like the christ Estp sees things like the pharasees

[@editorjeannie2318]

Warp is beta? Weird

[@beatofmyown]

Who’s warp?

[@editorjeannie2318]

@@beatofmyown lol I wrote ESTP and it autocorrected 😂

[@beatofmyown]

@@editorjeannie2318 Omg I’m dying. 💀

[@m2pozad]

Oprah about social justice? Not even. Social justice is not a billionaire pathway.

[@beatofmyown]

It’s probably the biggest difference between delta and beta quadra. You can portray yourself to be about something publicly, and not practice those things in your everyday actions.

[@MikeeB96]

Hey Aimee 😁 i watched now all of your socionics videos. I like that you grow even more. For me, i resonate kinda with all types 😅 Its just depends on what im working atm. So would you say im a Quadra type? As an MBTI ISTP? Back to the video. Whats the point of a revolution? Its to overthrown the old shitty system which just works for few people and not the majority. There it is important that the revolutionist have a plan build for whats after. If not a holy person will step in and out himself into power and the same shit happens again. So in this manner, its important that we have ppl debate! And we need ppl who build a structure. Because even if its super annoying, most ppl need it for social security. I can relate to the feeling us vs them... It appears quite often in my life. After some time, i can relate to the other side as well and see clearly which points they're missing while thinking. I really dont wanna call them stupid, but they're. (Feminist, Mannosphere, Antifa, Nazis, vegans,meatlovers, etc the list is endless). I realized, i just shared ny perspective and moved away from your video topic 😂😅

[@beatofmyown]

Hi Mike! I think it’s best to start with the quadra to get a general overview, and then move into the individual types. 😊 Start bigger, than move smaller.