BEAUTY | Maybe she’s born with it, Maybe it’s Kylie[eee]!!!

Kylie Jenner cries about people telling her she looks old. Her disinterested sister pretends to care. Let’s use this to discuss beauty.
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[@OHJojo-]

Let's not forget Kris Jenner allowed Kylie to deal with a grown man (Tyga)!

[@Nakharis]

That part!

[@ProfNDKai]

Mommie manager orrrrr….. mommie pimp 🤔👀👀👀

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

A grown man that has a woman and child.

[@indoora]

Way too many before and after of her lips online for people to say they did not know she was getting filler.

[@productioninquiry8937]

It was the age of her audience. Those girls were like 15 and 16 years old. It was children, because she was practically a child.

[@indoora]

@@productioninquiry8937 Hi, I'm not sure how this relates to my point about pictures of her on the internet.

[@productioninquiry8937]

@@indoora Many of the people who believed she was not getting filler were children. They were also the ones doing the Kylie Jenner lip challenge with shot glasses and such.

[@indoora]

@@productioninquiry8937 They had access to the internet and to the TV show and could see the change in her lips. There are debates all the time about the influence the internet has on them. You said it yourself, they were doing challenges because of seeing her on the internet.

[@girlbrittneygirl]

Youth is energy, not looks! Have you seen some of these 19-20 year olds , they look old!

[@erikaarnold4780]

Yes! I know exactly what you mean. I was in Sephora chillin', and I couldn't help but eavesdrop on these young girls' conversation. The way they talked about their lives reminded me of grown ass women. It was interesting the way they described their friends. I always thought I was pretty much born with a blazer and a laptop...but these girls didn't just sound older....they sounded detached, sick and tired.... How did this happen? I thought young people usually made older people feel even OLDER...😅 And WHERE are these children getting $60 for color corrective foundation?! LOL...Not trying to be a hater...ijs👀

[@elenawalker517]

Me and my cousins were at Sephora and this young lady helping me said she was 25 😮. I couldn’t hide my face. I felt so bad, she looked worn out. At 42 I had a more “youthful” look.

[@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632]

@@elenawalker517I highly doubt that

[@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632]

It’s definitely a look

[@velvetnebula]

Yooo the “[eee]” is sending me 🤣

[@productioninquiry8937]

The Asian woman not realizing that the beauty myth was created by men with resources. The failing public school system got these influencers in a choke hold.

[@dnicole4236]

the black girls in your thumbnail 😍

[@carrington2949]

I recognized Justine Skye and Ryan Destiny. Who is the other one?

[@CheekyLovesCheeseCake.]

​@@carrington2949 Normani ❤😊

[@carrington2949]

@@CheekyLovesCheeseCake. Didn’t recognize her. Ty

[@kimkatrel6780]

When Themis is on but you have to get back to work 👀 👀

[@Nakharis]

Abeg do we really need that job atp? 😂

[@coconutwater4531]

The problem is that U.S. women have an impossible choice to make. The wealthy have depleted the middle class, so if a lady wants to have a child, she will have to do all of the reproduction and work outside of the home if she partners with the average man. There is so much biologically that falls on the mom that her male partner can’t contribute to. The main way they can contribute is financially but most can’t provide and will even make her life harder in other ways. For this reason more women invest in attracting a wealthy spouse who can at least assure that she only has to work within the home, or has assistance from hired help. The workload of most mothers is hardly sustainable. Many are opting out of motherhood entirely.

[@darkandgorgeous]

Themis you still the beauty standard 💁🏿‍♀️

[@ProfNDKai]

Period

[@CheekyLovesCheeseCake.]

And that's on Mary had a Little Lamb 😤 !!!!!

[@cressfionajames]

When you don't love yourself, this is what happens. Plastic surgery is very invasive, it's not like taking a pill to lose weight.

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

20:51 yes me and my bff were just talking about this. We came to the conclusion that we’re classic black beauty’s. Because we don’t have the look that the women are wearing now. We’re 44 and we still rock what was in back in our day. Like Janet Jackson or Keisha Knight Pullium.

[@sumerian213]

"I do have a favorite type of eyes, and it's My own..." PERIOD!!!! P.s. I also have a gap that I learned to love and was told in dental school that it would be back in style, soon enough😘

[@merrytunes8697]

So I made peace with my gap in my teens, then my wisdom teeth started coming in and the gap closed. Twenty years later, my wisdom teeth are STILL coming in.

[@Anime_no_joō]

I have a gap too, I hated it before but I love it now. To be honest after watching Danielle from ANTM, I started to embrace it.

[@besthotchocolate]

Themis, this analysis is the beauty standard of content.

[@kjgfdsa3577]

i myself 100% believed Kylie when she initially said she did not get lip injections. I'm the same age as Kylie, maybe that plays into it, but I didn't know back then what surgery and injections looked like. Also, because we were both 17 years old I thought it was ludicrous to suggest that her parents would allow her to do something like that. I was just very naive about the whole thing.

[@carrington2949]

Lorry Hill opened my eyes. She is not accusatory. However she does point to have the K clan and others can technically lie about surgery and still be technically right. 😂

[@ProfNDKai]

Bless your heart, makes a lot of sense myself and a friend we’re both in the makeup/ beauty industry like on the side of education and we had a eureka moment once and realised it was absolutely know way a case of just lip liner and her over-lining her lips because it didn’t make sense in a practical way I had my natural born black lips and people would say that they want me to give them "the kylie Jenner lip look" that apparently I was rocking in there minds and there was only so much over-lining and lip contouring with high level playing with shades to create the look on less fuller lips without making my clients look clownish 😂

[@blaqwabbit]

Let's also not forget that before Kylie got her lips done everybody was calling her ugly.

[@magnusallmighty5000]

For those who are confused, the black pill is basically genetic determinism with a focus on looks, the premise is that the things you can change about your looks are the minority while the things you cannot change are the majority, this is important because things that are valuable to us in life like a job, grades or attraction and treatment from others are influenced by our looks, it even gets into other walks of life like athletics, iq and mental health

[@lastinline-b7v]

Okay,but does plastic surgery matter then? Like if someone isn't genetically extremely attractive, would getting surgery be a bad thing? Should people lie about it or not not get it at all? I'm just a bit confused

[@carrington2949]

Sounds like black pillers have not met Korean surgeons and estheticians. 😂

[@magnusallmighty5000]

@user-hx8qj1ln4q well it does because if you already mostly have good features, if all that makes you less attractive is a gigantic hooked nose or some stubborn fat in the face then go ahead do it and it will likely improve your looks

[@MT-yx5cu]

Ive never heard of the black pill. Is this new or should I proceed to continue to watch the video before asking this question?

[@magnusallmighty5000]

@MT-yx5cu no it's not, the video has a section on looksmaxxing which is related to the black pill that's why I defined it

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

29:54 I’ve had a tummy tuck no lipo. It was 13 years after my last child. After getting to my ideal size and staying there for years and still having very loose skin on my stomach. I decided to do it. I’m 5 ft tall and I had a 9 lb baby. Before children, I had a 6 pack. I love it. I was single before and after it. My stomach looked like chitterlings. It was flat. But extra skin just sitting there and I wanted my stomach back to somewhat normal. It was over 9k in the US. I researched my doctor and saw some of his patients irl. I’m very happy with my decision.

[@erikaarnold4780]

😳9 lbs! Honey...somebody should have GIFTED you your procedure, PLUS therapy, plus lifetime spa membership. Mother's Day just doesn't cover everything. Congrats to you on getting your sexy back! People really underestimate the importance of *feeling* "hot". 💅🏾Exploring and embracing our vanity can be very healing so long as we also seek balance. We can be "desirable" by our own standards.💖 Cheers!

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

@@erikaarnold4780 lol 😂 they actually did. I just didn’t want to put that here. My ex husband and my now ex boyfriend did contribute to my surgery and recovery expenses.

[@yazzy6860]

Yes, I love this topic 💄 💋 💅🏾 💇🏾‍♀️ 👗 👠 Let’s get into it❤

[@Nakharis]

Or worse...Canadian 😂😂😂😂 had me hollering

[@magnusallmighty5000]

Even babies react differently to attractive and non attractive individuals, it's mostly genetic

[@ProfNDKai]

True! I heard it’s a thing of symmetry of the face, a pleasing distance between the eyes etc

[@qetsiyah1766]

I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I can’t tell if someone is attractive or not. The people I think are attractive, others think are ugly lol.

[@serenitysubs933]

Are u sure they're not actually seeing your energy?

[@magnusallmighty5000]

@@serenitysubs933 no such thing

[@serenitysubs933]

@@magnusallmighty5000 how do we know? Anything is possible, I mean, two things can be right at the same time

[@aisharedux781]

Kendall saying “we’re dehumanized” is pure mania!

[@jbell7105]

Kylii need to quit like you mentioned beauty is their brand and she even tried to capitalize off of it and has. Stop it!

[@carrington2949]

Exactly. When she was the focus, especially for black men, she ate it up.

[@soybeans8139]

Omg! Hooded eyes are the best. My son has them and also a gap. The dentist asked him if he water them closed and he refused. Both of features are really lovely.

[@SonjaElizabethTeal]

Salaam. I have to go back to hear the start of the show. However, from what I did hear, I thoroughly enjoyed and agreed. The topic also reminded me of a job I worked on, and I was training a young lady from Ethopia, who was indeed a very pretty girl however the Black Men on the job went over the top bonkers in their admiration of her. Really really over the top bonkers ....all except one guy who did the exact opposite. He acted as if she wasn't there. One day, that happened to be this young lady's day off a conversation came about about her in which the guy that was ignoring her said... "The ONLY reason you guys are falling all over her is because she looks different than what you are used to seeing here. In her country, she'd be considered a very ordinary, if not below average looking Woman!" Turns out he had stayed in Ethiopia for over two years. So indeed whats stunningly gorgeous in one society or culture may just "eh" in others!

[@Happymind-happyworld.]

I will probably be asleep but whyyyy Themis 😂

[@indoora]

I like your style.

[@nim1900]

I will forever be grateful to my South African mother for never talked about beauty in our household. She had natural hair and no makeup.

[@patriciasamo3364]

I really enjoyed this video Themis. Thank you!

[@LOVETWICE21]

Great video, Themis 👍

[@ThemisThoth]

Thank you 🙏🏿

[@Me-fy8ue]

Kylie messed her face up

[@Itiswhatitis638]

Themis I have to disagree with you on Kylie and sisters not creating the beauty standards. I’m close in age to Kylie and I grew up in Australia during her rise. Black features such as big lips and big behind were not the beauty standards here before the Kardashians. By Kylie and sisters emulating American black beauty, she brought those standards to the white community and to the rest of us globally. “Fat ass” was still a common insult the entire time I was in highschool.

[@ProfNDKai]

He wasn’t growing up a girl in that era.. being scrutinised for our natural features and experimenting with our looks to fit the beauty standard and avoid being picked on so he kinda only missed that tiny bit of nuance you are right I used to literally have a way of making my bottom lip look smaller in my teens by sucking it in a bit and did it constantly because it was the only thing that was a "large facial feature" that could be picked on .. getting literally pointed at being called "drop lip" was something I could not socially experience I saw it happen to girls more but also guys in school then they made it trendy and everyone would complement my natural lips and assume / ask me & even vocally gass me up like "wow girl you got that Kylie look I see you and your makeup skills gworlie"

[@Itiswhatitis638]

@@ProfNDKai right. He’s usually spot on but our lived experience being younger during her rise was totally different. In regards to the lip fillers, did you honestly know that she got lip fillers? Because I didn’t know a thing about plastic surgery. Plastic surgery still isn’t even readily available in Australia. They were the ones that introduced laser hair removal to us as well.

[@coloursof-autumn8650]

Same in UK.

[@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632]

Yeah we don’t care the world doesn’t revolve around white people

[@Heat_Rush]

It became popular in the white community because of white people's ingrained racism. A white woman called it first person syndrome. She said that white people are raised to believe that they are better than blacks, so anything that black people get celebrated for, white people automatically feel as though they are supposed to be the ones to receive that attention and that you guys do whatever is necessary to "compete" to take that attention for yourselves. This made so much sense to me, because white people love the black aesthetic, but only on other whites. We are criticized, which I now know is jealousy, for things that you guys celebrate when you do them. Black women were called donkeys for having big butts, we ARE called ghetto for wearing long nails and our braids and dreads. We were also talked about for having big full lips. We're also called ghetto for the way some of us talk, yet white people LOVE it when white women do these things. Kylie hasn't been called ghetto for wearing long decorative nails. White people also don't call white women who wear braids ghetto, and you don't get called ghetto when you seen doing our dances, or using a "blaccent", and it's sexy when you all have "big, full lips." Well, for some of you, some of you end up looking like ducks with the lip filler. Either way it's exhausting.

[@MT-yx5cu]

Great video Themis!!

[@ThemisThoth]

Thank you 🙏🏿

[@nikam4167]

Themis, this is an amazing and much appreciated video. ❤

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

2:00 No they would not come to a woman’s defense if people came for her. They talk about all women.

[@ProfNDKai]

Miss this channel gorgeous Themis and this sexy saucy chat ❤❤

[@productioninquiry8937]

Not Blue Steel. LOL!

[@adashastew]

I don't like ur videos. I Love them 😂❤

[@nim1900]

I’m greatful that my mother never talked/ discussed beauty. May she rest peacefully. By the way, beauty is a man made term.

[@LaurenAshlei]

I caught a live!!!

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

0:54 To answer the question. I’m fine as a mfer. Lbvs 😂🥰😍

[@cocoatigress589]

In the thumbnail at first glance I thought she was Alyssa Milano

[@coachberline]

Thank you for sharing your perspectives.

[@c.m.3600]

I loved this video

[@dajiyahmcae1880]

If he ever told us he regularly gets Botox I wouldn’t bat an eye. Like why him face akin to glass?

[@Heat_Rush]

What?

[@ajura8926]

Honey put the cognac down, and get some sleep. 😂😂😂

[@dajiyahmcae1880]

@@ajura8926 what?

[@somebodycomelistentothispo7217]

I think they are all average looking, pretty women before the surgeries

[@agoodreadsgirl]

Well you look like one of my kids so I may be biased about your attractiveness. ❤❤❤

[@mzbeatbarbie]

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