Don't Get Burned by Hype: 'Light No Fire' will take Time to Ignite!

[@shawnbyers6947]

1. Multiplayer and base building at launch + more 2. 10+ years of procedural generation expertise 3. A bigger, more competent team 4. Confidence in developing for multiple platforms 5. Confidence in cross play functionality I don't think LNF will follow the release structure of NMS. They are almost a decade apart in terms of scope/experience in development and scaling

[@WiseOwl_1408]

They are extremely terrified it will go the same way. Truth the people making it not your own fanboy feelings. They are worried for good reasons. They are terrible at launching games. This one will be extremely disappointing at launch. Trust the devs opinion

[@shawnbyers6947]

@WiseOwl_1408 Where/when exactly did HG say they are terrified? They've learnt a lot of lessons over the last decade. That's not fanboy opinions. Simply fact. Get your head out of the gutter, and have a nice day troll 👍

[@hero2u1]

You are Right. it took 3 years from First announcement. and other 2 years to fix it so i expect they will make sure * light no fire * work perfectly before it's public. my guess is 2025 or Early 2026

[@DroosterH]

I think it's pretty much finished. They wouldn't announce anything without a near finished product.

[@martinmcintyre9263]

They learnt from before. Not going to announce until they are nearly ready.

[@johnmckown1267]

The problem with a really late release is the decrease in interest and the repeat of "vapourware" again.

[@vladstad8102]

the thing people arent remembering is that their dev team is alot larger now then when they started no mans sky development. there was only 4 people working on no mans sky up to 2013. compared to 20 people on light no fire or close to it.

[@sherlockthehomietube925]

I think they are trying to be more mindful of not sharing too much. How many times did CDPR hear "it didn't have such and such you promised before launch." This could come out in a month or a year and if they waited to reveal platforms until a week prior. Nobody could say it didn't deliver what they have said it will have based on what we know now. They don't want to deal with that and I don't blame them. Hence that meme Sean shared about him saying "Fantasy RPG Elements! chonky dragons!" and his team members being like "chill Sean!!"

[@tinyblue42]

I'm expecting it to be barebones on launch. That's fine with me. Let them update it constantly with amazing free updates like they did with no man's sky. I'll be there playing it

[@yunder.]

I agree. I loved NMS at launch, even in its broken state!

[@jimcleary1161]

Thanks Beebs! You are the man!!

[@DeerShake]

I expect big updates for NMS in 2024 to keep us busy and an early 2025 LNF release. This announcement trailer will provide them with a lot of feedback/expectation from the community. HelloGames can use these to improve or rework LNF in 2024 and do the same with feature specific trailers during next year. In regards of development time a comparison to NMS should not be taken so directly as they have more experience and based on the trailer they are using some already available NMS code. 🐰

[@DreadCaptainJames]

Couldn't have said it better, cheers man, great take and huge agree from me!

[@Graybeard_]

I'm thinking in the new year, we will get an announcement of a late 2024 release. My lunch money (beer) is on early 2025. With recent data showing a resurgence in pcs for gaming, I can't imagine that HG would take this opportunity to go console only. I also suspect there are advantages from a developer's perspective (not just sales) to release on more than one platform.

[@richard127gm]

For me, the biggest clue is the amount they are currently spending on advertising. It would be very unusual to spend so much money on a game a year or two away.

[@Cholin3947]

Another thing to consider is they have a lot more staff. They started out with four now they have 40+ employees. They cold have twenty people working on this right now. I'm still thinking Christmas 2024. This gives them a year to build up the hype train. They could drop additional teaser trailers once every few months and maybe an interview or two. Then a few weeks before launch a lengthy promo and game play sample video similar to the "This is Starfield" video.

[@CaptainSteveVPT]

Agree Beebs... Think 🤔 the release will be 2025... and perhaps late 2025 at that... saying Aug/Sep 2025.

[@mpsenatore]

Agreed. I think 2025 is more realistic. Taking time and not rushing out an unfinished product is definitely the way to go if you can afford it.

[@shawnbyers6947]

Alongside GTA 6, I don't think so 🤔. Staggered release in 2024, starting with PC early access

[@D0NU75]

i still see the release of LNF in no less than 7 months, but i'm not worried, i already like what i see.

[@Shadowlyn]

I was not around for the NMS launch but after seeing a recent video from Captain Steve where he discussed the scripted cinematics in the initial trailer for NMS I hope they did not repeat that. While it looks great it also does not have a release date. If that was "Game play" and it made to look like it was practically done I have my reservations. I hope it is great at launch but I am not going to hold my breath waiting.

[@tyghe_bright]

One thing that concerns me re: expectations is that a lot of people are talking about RPG elements like quests and dungeons... and I don't think it's going to be a quest-and-progression type of game. Those elements are likely to be present, but not the focus. The lore will probably be mostly environmental storytelling. And I doubt there will be dungeons. I suspect it will be more sandbox adventure than RPG, close to NMS in gameplay style. I love that idea, but I hope they're very clear about what the game is and is not.

[@alkentarch7083]

All those speculations have no base in reality right

[@torquaymouse2236]

well said! I totaly agree with you.

[@in-craig-ible6160]

Well said Beebs.

[@seriousleesgaming3042]

I'm not sure Hello Games learned absolutely no lessons from the release of NMS. Given how their public relations changed completely after the controversy such that they essentially release no information until a week before an update. I agree this isn't likely to be coming out 1st quarter 2024, but how they release information in the last several years and the level of polish shown in the (in-game) trailer lead me to think we also won't need to wait years like we did with NMS. I do think it's weird we're getting commercials so early if the game isn't close to release, but that could just be them deciding to capitalize on how many views the trailer got in such a short time. I'm also thinking it's odd we aren't getting any details on platforms, but this might not mean it's far from release, just that the answer to that question might turn away attention from the game. If this is a PC-only title, they wouldn't want to sour people away from generating hype for them. I'll say this though: it's objectively confusing. I've never had a less clear idea of when an announced game will drop.

[@elinisguy]

I think that the reason why No Platform is mentioned is because they are still in the process of deciding if they want to support Previous Gen. We know that PC is 100% guaranteed and given that NMS is on other platforms including VR. I think with Time all of them will be available for LNF, too. Except of switch. I don't think they will support switch , max they may support upcoming Switch. To this day, It is mindboggling for me how they can support NMS on Switch even with limitation.

[@D0NU75]

I don't blame them, every time Sean said something about the game, people held it to gospel sometimes at the expense of reason. Any intelligent person would see that if they aren't saying something then there is no reason to asume anything and to treat everything just as speculation. I'm fine with them not releasing information, they can take their time and i'll buy it.

[@stevelamb9453]

@@elinisguy this generation of consoles Ps5/Xbox series, last needs to be dropped for any new upcoming title

[@elinisguy]

@@stevelamb9453 I agree to a degree. Yes, if it will be on new ones only, they won't only cut cost on development and support, they will even make more demanding game. But there is second side. Maybe not in EU or US, but in most other countries, still big number of last gens users exist. Which is not a small amount of income.

[@martinmcintyre9263]

No no. They have got such a head start. Jun 24 latest.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

I prefer when it is finished but I think 2025 most likely.

[@lilythepurple]

I am keeping from even making a list of what I'd like in the game. So many are already like, "oh, it has to have this feature, and this, and this." I'm content to wait until they release more info. I don't want to hype myself into never being happy with what actually launches.

[@mustudiosla]

As much as I'd love to see it release soon, I agree that we are still a bit away from it. Great video as usual! Hopefully we at least hear some more details about the game soon and later get an idea of when it releases.

[@StyxAnnihilator]

Depending on how NMS is coded, then it might be used as an engine as Unreal. Giving a much shorter development time, by focus on graphics and logic (and story).

[@D0NU75]

oh pretty sure both games share DNA, you can tell from the walking animation, the flying mounts that are basically starships (see the take off animation) and some of the flora. It's not bad imo, a good example that comes to mind is how Rockstar took their engine from GTA3/VC and boosted it for SA

[@StyxAnnihilator]

@@D0NU75 Yeah, have to see if some of same issues and bugs appear there too, still not fixed.

[@soulssong2u]

I agree with you. People are hyping way too early. I do wonder if there will be another way for cross-platform communication within the game itself... or I guess maybe they rely on people using headsets.

[@luckypillgrim1913]

On zendesk they have option for lnf. Someone has idea if they have a beta like NMS?

[@geoffritter2254]

I'm sure they will have that release date just as soon as they have working water physics.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

No man has time for both games.

[@gamingtonight1526]

2nd quarter 2024 for LNF, 2nd quarter 2024 for last NMS update.

[@codelinx]

One thing I wish they tweaked was the dragon model when flying. The legs and tail look unnatural to me. The feet don't tuck into the underbelly or under the tail and looks odd

[@a-train5442]

I mean, the fact that they're the only ones that came prepared with a full gameplay trailer speaks volumes to where the game is at. It could honestly be ready for release for all we know. All of the speculation around it is pointless, though.

[@MrFTmedia]

Every other major developer will rush or delay their launch to avoid GTA6 clash in 2025. It would be studio suicide to launch anything near or immediately after GTA6. TBH, the only game thats unique enough to launch close to GTA would be Light No Fire

[@corinthiansdaniels3728]

From everything i seen i honestly think they have learned their lesson but time will tell

[@vormarsch]

Will HG give us glitch building in LNF? 🐝

[@Eldred_Lir-Errant]

An imminent release wouldn't surprise me, given the choice of expedition replays this month, but I'm hopeful for late 2024/early 2025. I can also se that the next NMS update will be prefaced by or connected by expeditions involving a search for new, previously unknown/undetectable systems ... will the new ships be deep[er] space scout ships with new sensors and longer range drives but limited cargo? Maybe an expedition will introduce an emergency cryo/stasis capsule on board? I don't seen any type of end to NMS in the near future, rather an option to instead of staying in the loop or current galaxy, an additional choice to choose to stay on a new planet that will test multiplayer numbers on a single planet? There would be multiple instanced planets where you can join a players game?

[@Perisemiotics]

you mean, hold your flying dinos!

[@singersunite9785]

Quick tip from an old man, don’t put your conclusion in the title of you video, you want people to watch it for that exact reason , now they don’t have to

[@leebob4965]

2024 3rd or 4th quarter

[@SaladbarSlytherin]

So far, it's not for PS5 so... 😢

[@jamesmc1038]

Almost agree with all of that lol

[@AdamBuckingham-ef6sx]

Doesn’t matter no man’s sky and light no fire are lovely games but light no fire won’t be the same as it is in the trailer

[@operationmisanthropia5831]

Light No Fire looks like as if Hello Games took almost all assets of No Mans Sky and turned it fantasy. It was kinda disappointing to see the trailer, even when it looks great. I could see it being part of the NMS-Universe, just being one of the endless other "universes" that the AI calculated differently. Coming with all the consequcnes of it. Why I think this is: Many animations in the trailer, the way the game looks like, and the building system shortly gazed upon look like ripped out of NMS. That animation where the character hops on their mount, and especially the camera movement is straight out of NMS. It looks too much like No Mans Sky and from the trailer feels too much like NMS. And to be honest: Grabbing all the basic assets from NMS and pushing it into a new game with similar atmosphere and gameplay wouldnt be this hard to make. Mostly it would be replacing visuals (Spaceships become giant birds/dragons you can ride), changing world generation to make it more diverse (while keeping it one planet) and adjusting things that dont work well in NMS next to cutting other stuff entirely like generation of star systems etc.

[@RobVespa]

I guess you don't realize that you're doing the same thing you're talking about?

[@jaimecarlow7368]

This has no hype this is a blip in the ocean, in the real terms of hype. The numbers that play no man’s constancy does not amount to hype for the next game. You want real hype that’s not even worth the hype compare the hype to gta6 and this will be like what game did you say.

[@billy_cross]

Pointless video

[@ecoffey71]

Stop hyping the game and u won't get burned.i hyped myself up for nms and I loved it despite being shit....