Beginner Cloisonné! A (n unfair) Comparison of Chinese and Japanese styles, techniques, and history!

[@suetcheung1100]

Love your collection!

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Thank you, friend!

[@karldyer6847]

Thank you for a great compendium. Love your videos.

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Thank you very much for watching! Really. Haha

[@YANDEX30V]

After the wires are glued in place, glue is then often spread inside the wire shapes..glass powder then adheres to tht glue before firing.. I used to make jewellry

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Oooohhhhh, it never occurred to me that the enamel powder would also be adhered! thank you!

[@saroruhagoswami9202]

Are you selling Antiques! ?

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Some. Not usually Japanese items.

[@godaimeyuuki]

I am the fifth generation of a family that has been carrying on the tradition of Japanese cloisonne enamel art for generations, since 1883. It's all very interesting!

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

I am always poor, but now I must buy one of your pieces. Please direct me on how to do so in the future. ❤️

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Oh! Tamura! I believe I have one of your family's vases already! 🙂 1:30 kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4GaiKprp9yhY7ssi=UxpEEM3Ct1EaYuLl

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

The object is much better than the video, unfortunately. Hahaha

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

If you are on Facebook there is a group called Chinese & Japanese Cloisonné. I feel like I speak for all the group members when I say that we would absolutely treasure your posts there.

[@tomsthebomb8458]

Nice collection, if you polish the wires in iris petals, you may find that they are fine silver wire. The blue charger with the spider is pre Meiji, often called middle ware.

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

You may enjoy some of my other pieces! I'll be remaking them now that I'm better at making videos and have lights and such!

[@dazeenme]

😂😂 I almost dropped my phone when you dropped the camera 😂😂 Love all your pieces. I still want that dragon vase and now also the awesome little 🐢 piece. I know you're not ready to sell...but if you change your mind you have a buyer. If you haven't already done so (and I just missed it) please introduce your fur buddy to us!

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Truthfully, I'll probably never sell my Japanese cloisonné, and I can't sell the turtle. He was in my very first KZbin video! Hahaha, otherwise, I have a good deal of Satsuma and Imari wares. And all of the Chinese cloisonné is for sale...though shipping the large fella would be a bit...haha

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Oh, and yeah! I dropped like four things in this video! I dunno what the hell! Hahaha

[@dazeenme]

@@besticanaffordantiques2565 I can honestly say I don't blame you at all, I can't see me parting with my cloisonne pieces either. While both are beautiful, I find I lean toward Chinese cloisonne over Japanese...but I'm not sure why. Thanks for the video, I enjoyed seeing your collection.

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

I'm the exact opposite! Haha, I gravitate towards the Japanese, and would only sell the Chinese. Yeah, I don't hold anyone's tastes against them. It barely makes sense that I like cloisonné more than paintings or ceramic, ya know what I mean? Ya just like what you like. Haha

[@dazeenme]

@@besticanaffordantiques2565 I know, I laughed every time!

[@mary-christineabushar7274]

Will you buy pairs of Chinese cloisonné vases?

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Sometimes, although I admit I mostly collect Japanese. Feel free to send me a message on Facebook. I have the same name there. 🙂

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

The other technique I was talking about, besides ginbari, uses a textured, Silver base object, instead of silver foil.

[@joe9042]

My cloissone is miniature with a hexagonal body form. It is only half enamelled, the body is brass. It has borders like flowers, white and pink and border at the base is the shape of a mickey mouse head. Ay the Seams half circles. Baluster Bellied with hexagonal mouth and base. The seams are half circles, on each side of the seam, that makes a complete circle. Has exotic birds like Cockateils on them. I have a pair, they're Any idea?

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Not really sure from the description, but you could message me pics on Facebook if you wanted. I have the same name there. There's also a FB group called Chinese & Japanese Cloisonné that's exceptionally helpful.

[@joe9042]

@besticanaffordantiques2565 OK, will do, fella. Thanks, for the help. Joe Scotland 👍

[@YANDEX30V]

Or powder glass

[@vicmarmil2843]

Dude, I almost moved on, then you said something about viewers donating quality items to your channel, and in a fraction of a second later you toss the entire display. It hurt, but admittedly, I laughed out loud. Anyhow, I have been casually collecting cloisinne for 25-30 years and have only recently begun to learn about it. I mostly bought the pieces I bought because I found it pretty and it was within my (low) budget. I am scared to watch any further because I am nervous what might get broken. I am actually thinking that this is planned and it would explain the quality of the pieces? I'm I giving you a thumbs up though because you made me laugh and your video ended before I finished my comment. Good luck to the Creator and may I suggest he buy online. Safety inside a collectable/antique store would be questionable, at best.

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Hahahaha, truly...I wish it were planned ...But! I've never damaged a piece of cloisonné or Japanese ceramics. BUT! in the video I made last night a whole stack of Uranium glass tipped over....

[@joyceflagler619]

Quing Dynasty?

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

No, I don't think any of these Chinese pieces. The Japanese pieces are Meiji Era, which is sort of the equivalent of late Qing.

[@djamelbenaiche526]

Salut j'ai les mêmes vase originale

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

I'm afraid that's all French to me. haha

[@joyceflagler619]

Faux gold I think is what you're talking about?false gold I don't remember the scie timing name

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

There's a mineral something like pyrite I was trying to think of, but I'm still spacing on it! Hahaha

[@eye4eclecticgreatfinds843]

Hey buddy, you just got a plug - Enamel Techniques ~ Tales From the Triptych via Soul Nate. Cool beans... Congrats!

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Oh my goodness! I missed it! I'm gonna go watch immediately!

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

I put it in my phone days ago! Hahaha, but I've had the craziest (most eventful, not most drunken) weekend of my life!

[@eye4eclecticgreatfinds843]

@@besticanaffordantiques2565 sounds fun ;) hahaha

[@eye4eclecticgreatfinds843]

Glad that group found you... it is a great community of people ;)

[@lithiumbatteries5045]

yeah bro were gonna donate our early cloisonne so you can drop your camera on them

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Hey, thanks for the comment! 🙂

[@lithiumbatteries5045]

@@besticanaffordantiques2565 you good?

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

@@lithiumbatteries5045 The best. 🙂 You?

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Ox blood should've been pigeon blood.

[@YANDEX30V]

It's pronounced..KLWOI ZONNÈ

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Hahaha, I will literally never do that.

[@joyceflagler619]

Say the jippo again.hehe

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

Yusen Jippo is enamel with wires. Musen Jippo is enamel with no wires. Less specifically, it is "Shippo", or enamel. Once you add a prefix, like Musen or Yusen, it becomes Jippo. I'm not a language expert, but that's how I understand it. Haha

[@ALEXANDERDALEZ]

The plate is 100% CHINESE...

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

I don't believe so, friend. The cloisons on the back, the open background of the turquoise ring, and the shading of the birds and flowers are all indicative of a Japanese piece. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I do not believe I am in this case.

[@ALEXANDERDALEZ]

@@besticanaffordantiques2565 No this is typical Chinese mid 19th century...The back is again typical of Chinese...It's not a typical design,I mean the motif in the front but believe me when I'm saying it is Chinese! I'm a collector since the 80's and I have a good number of Chinese but also Japanese cloisonne from the 17 century onwards...up to late Meiji/Guangxu...you are welcomed to ask me any questions you may have at any time...I'm a teacher by profession and a Psychology graduate...I'm also a professional conservator having my own conservation lab for my personal collections...I've also been a freelance assistant in the areas of conservation and evaluation in 3 major museums over the years here...nice talking to you friend!

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

@@ALEXANDERDALEZ Very nice talking to you! I'd like to speak more if we could! I am on Facebook and Instagram as BestICanAfford Antiques. Please, come find me. Haha

[@yanli3697]

@@besticanaffordantiques2565 you are right. this plate is 100% NOT chinese cloisonne.

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

@@yanli3697 Hahaha, what changed your mind, friend?

[@sibbytang2666]

The big Chinese vase is not cloisonné

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

That's a very odd thing to say. Haha, if you'd care to explain why you think that, I'd happily hear you out. It's definitely on a metal body, with wires and enamel.

[@PeterCombs]

The big Chinese vase is a type of cloisonne, however, it is designed very similarly to porcelain examples. The wire cloisonnes are there and are filled with enamels on a copper alloy body.

[@sibbytang2666]

@@PeterCombs i know it's enamel on a metal body but I have a similar one that I don't see metal wires.

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

@@PeterCombs Hi, Peter! I was just hoping for your safe return last night! Super nice to see you!

[@besticanaffordantiques2565]

@@PeterCombs Very nice of you to comment on my little video.