Beginner's Guide to Secondary STAGG BLANTON'S WELLER ELMER T LEE & more Episode 0243

[@DaveVogelsang-b8v]

Great video Myron. Patience pays off. I have 7 bottles of Weller 12 on the shelf and the most I have paid is $45. I know I do not need that many, but hard to pass up for MSRP, because I can use them for trades and gifts. I was chosen for the first time ever in a BTAC lottery and picked up George T Stagg 2024 for $169.99 last Monday. 🥃

[@TorupHodl]

Humble DAVE humble Brag 😂🎉🎉

[@BourbonDrop]

@DaveVogelsang-b8v Wow! I know I've Saud it before, but Dave, you are the luckiest man on earth! 🥃🤣

[@austinb8175]

Because once you have 2, why leave them on the shelf for someone else? Take them all right?

[@DaveVogelsang-b8v]

@@austinb8175 I’ve used them to trade for Four Roses LE and MM Cellar Aged and Coy Hill.

[@grapeape16]

@@austinb8175right! Screw other people and screw you.

[@berkaberk]

Full Proof Weller is a monster as MSRP - happy hunting!

[@BourbonDrop]

Just snagged one yesterday! I can say strongly agree! 🥃

[@definitiveenergy1878]

I loved this episode! I have the EHT BP Rye and some 24B's in the cellar-I'm the same and hold certain bottles. First time here, Cheers!

[@BourbonDrop]

@definitiveenergy1878 Appreciate you watching! Is it me, or are the 24Bs something special!? 🥃

[@definitiveenergy1878]

@@BourbonDrop I think they're damn good! That's all that matters to me lol-cheers bro and keep em rolling...

[@cjjohnson4231]

Outstanding video! I learned at lot after my first year of my Bourbon journey.

[@BourbonDrop]

@cjjohnson4231 Thank you! It's funny how when we start to collect, we want to buy them all. Then we realize some of he best stuff is on the shelf. 😆🥃

[@PhilOverstreet]

Great episode. I really try to avoid secondary. However, Stagg is one of my favorite pours. I paid $185 each for 24B and 24A. To me, that’s worth it but to each their own! $200 is my limit on that bottle. Life has gotten more busy for me in the last 6 months and I don’t have the time or energy to drive all over town trying to find it for retail.

[@BourbonDrop]

I can't argue with that. YOLO. If you got it, spend it. A buddy of mine buys what he likes no matter the price. If he feels like it's worth it, he snags it! He trades Staggs away. He hates them. 🤣 24B is such a monster. BTW 🥃

[@TorupHodl]

Oo those westward pics probably better as a gift anyway

[@BourbonDrop]

@@TorupHodl 🤣🤣🤣🥃

[@GOTAisMe]

There is a store near me that has a Stagg for $1299. It's been there for years. It think it's the first bottle when they changed the name from Stagg Jr to Stagg. They refuse to reduce it and it just sits there forever

[@BourbonDrop]

@@GOTAisMe SMH! That's insane! A store by me has a Russell's 13 for $999.99 😶😵‍💫🥃

[@JJ-nh8lv]

If we all stop paying these insane 2ndary prices, the price will go down.

[@BourbonDrop]

@@JJ-nh8lv I hope so!🤞🏾🥃

[@ScottW4631]

Great episode. I’ve been at this hobby awhile and for the most part I agree with your price limits. I have found that if I have patience, many of these bottles will drop in my lap for a good price. The hardest one for me was Rock Hill Farms. I finally found one at my max price of 125. I’m interested in what you would pay for a BTAC Eagle rare 17.

[@BourbonDrop]

@ScottW4631 Thanks for watching! My buddy, who also happens to be named Scott, picked up the ER 17 in Switzerland for $300. That's the most I am willing to pay for any BTAC. As much as I want one, I have a hard time justifying spending 300 on any bottle. Trust me, it's a constant battle. 🤣🥃

[@krisgaskins1]

First time watcher. Well done, throw some single barrel offerings in as alternatives. Love the video, Bourbon Together!

[@BourbonDrop]

@@krisgaskins1 Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed the content! Bourbon Together! 🥃

[@johnshenk-vm2ic]

Great review. I'm glad I live in VA. I'm always very cautious on trips to MD/DC. NC is state controlled too. So, I'm in good company! Thanks Myron!

[@BourbonDrop]

@johnshenk-vm2ic Thanks! VA always has great prices. Not everyone is happy about the new drop system, and I get it. But at least VA gives you a chance to get something nice for retail. Montgomery County has a drop system and does regulate prices, but that's the only place that I know of in MD that does it that way. 🥃

[@garnetreecejones9222]

Maryland/dc is either great or awful. Not much in betweeen but many of the shops out there (at least that I’ve visited) will work with you if you talk to the manager/owner. I’ve seen multiple stores have things like RR13/Stagg Jr/EHT/wellers/blantons etc all marked way up and with talking for a few minutes they are willing to come down. Usually not to msrp but to well below full secondary and often to a very reasonable level. It’s not always va prices (I’m in va too). But it’s something you can find. Also I’m DC they can buy from private owners. So if you have unopened ones they can trade with you legally. Which can help

[@timothyphillips5718]

Love these videos

[@BourbonDrop]

Thank you, sir!!! Glad you enjoyed! 🥃

[@timothyphillips5718]

@BourbonDrop you got a really sweet collection of bottles man

[@whiskeybidness]

so happy to hear some straight truth on some of these bottles … particularly Elmer T Lee. I have run into so many guys falling over themselves to get one of these … I agree 100% with your assessment. It’s barely worth MSRP.

[@BourbonDrop]

@@whiskeybidness B-trace stuff is just overhyped. I have my favorites, but I'm not paying these unreasonable prices. 🥃

[@whiskeybidness]

⁠@@BourbonDropWe are on the same page! I personally am a fan of OWA 107 and I am happy to pay MSRP and I’d pay $100 for a Stagg but I’m leaving Blanton’s on the shelf for those Horsey hunters, passing on ETL and Rock Hill Farms. There’s some bottles in the Taylor line I might step $50 over MSRP but for almost all of the bottles listed here there are bourbons to be had that could beat all of them without overpaying for any of them.

[@BourbonDrop]

@whiskeybidness so true! 🥃

[@jeromepeters6935]

@BourbonDrop Fear Of Missing Out(FOMO) is the number one reason retailers/distributors are able to command insane prices. I appreciate your common sense approach and the video. I think we crossed paths on a MoCo drop before and living un Upper Marlboro, I can help you trade for a new OWA 107.

[@altmandillon1]

I understand FOMO and its real. It hits me from time to time. With that being said, I've never paid over msrp for any bottles i have. If everyone would band together and stop paying secondary, the prices would eventually reset back to msrp. As long as we feed the beast, it will continue. Just my rant for today. Cheers to all 🎉🎉🎉

[@BourbonDrop]

@@altmandillon1 I hope so! 🤞🏾 Now that the influx of new people coming into the hobby has cooled, I suspect we will see prices slowly return to normal. 🥃

[@altmandillon1]

@BourbonDrop I sure hope so

[@charleselul6786]

Myron, I can get 1ltr BT here for $40 OTD

[@BourbonDrop]

@@charleselul6786 Nice! What state are you in? 🥃

[@TheBusa09]

100% agree with you on the ETL!

[@BourbonDrop]

@@TheBusa09 I don't get the hype! 🥃

[@TheReal_DeanD]

Myron‘s Buffalo trace pricing is great. EH Taylor Small batch retail in my area is now $60 retail. Elmer T Lee retail is $55. Blanton’s regular is $90.

[@BourbonDrop]

Wow! A touch higher than ABC, but not bad! 🥃

[@TUC4MOT3]

Came across this video man. Great job explaining everything. What I have been seeing as how different every state is. I have gotten eagle rare and eht small batch pretty easy here as well as blantons but I cannot find any other type of eh Taylor’s. Regular buffalo trace is everywhere for about 21 bucks. As far as weller I barely got my hands on the 12, the SR is alright paid 27 at Walmart. Cannot find antique, single barrel or FP.

[@BourbonDrop]

@@TUC4MOT3 Thanks for watching! I heard DC stores are actually allowed to buy bottles from the public and resell them. Now that's a trip! 🥃

[@Posterharpua]

here's a beginner's guide to secondary: have patience, and simply do not participate. Better to just support your local bar and pay for each of these whiskies as an individual pour, realize they are NOT worth the secondary market price, and move on to what's sitting on shelves because there's some pretty elite bourbons and ryes to be had at retail price. you can basically set an upper limit of, say $140 for a bottle and do VERY VERY Well in the retail space. VERY Good video for the newbies, here.

[@BourbonDrop]

Appreciate it! I agree about elite bottles sitting on the shelf. JDSBBP & RYE are phenomenal bottles! 🥃

[@SHHDADDYSWORKN]

Yep patience is key to bourbon, ive never bought from secondary, the most I pay is prices from total wine. I don't shop at private liquor stores up here in WA because they're all museums!

[@BourbonDrop]

@SHHDADDYSWORKN I hate when I walk in a store that's a museum. Every once in a while, you get lucky. They'll have something good marked up a little, and you wonder if the wrong tag is on it. 🤣🥃

[@TheReal_DeanD]

I agree if you get Weller 12 for retail hold onto it for a treatable asset. You can easily get $120 men for it from a bourbon group. I would pay $120 for old Weller antique because it’s so rare and even if it does appear in a store, it has to be pure dumb luck to get it at retail.

[@BourbonDrop]

So true

[@kutlasshighproof]

This was a great and informative video. I was chasing the EHT SiB but had to ask myself why. Same juice as the SmB just from one barrel. Staying strong. Stagg 22A is my weakness though! 🥃

[@BourbonDrop]

@@kutlasshighproof 🤣🤣🤣👊🏾🥃

[@motohead077]

Wouldn't pay over msrp for anything but ECBP C923. That could change if I try something that I really like. This year got a couple E.H. Taylor BiB at $58.98 at a grocery store. Think that is absolute top dollar for that bottle & didn't like paying that. Could have bought more at that price, but left them. They raised the price to $69.99 & they are just sitting there, nobody is buying. At same store got some Blanton's $59.98 & one Eagle Rare 10yr $58.98. Won a lottery this summer to get Stagg 23B $70.

[@BourbonDrop]

Wow! You must live in Buffalo Country with prices like that. 🤣🤣🤣🥃

[@lmg30thomas4]

Va new drop system really has you on the hunt now but good vid and now a new follower

[@BourbonDrop]

Appreciate the follow! I like the new system. I burn more gad, but I've gotten lucky a time or two. 🥃

[@lordofthedram]

Dope video, BT Prices are hit and miss in some markets. Also, it's crazy how certain states get more of a few different SKUs than others.

[@BourbonDrop]

@@lordofthedram Appreciate it! Yeah, I had one guy tell me that he's never seen a Stagg in his area. 🥃

[@garnetreecejones9222]

I agree with you on these. I think living in Virginia is simultaneously a good and bad thing. It’s great that I can get some at msrp and know what msrp is on the va abc site, but sucks that I can’t find things often with the new system (though yesterday i got SUPER lucky and was with my wife and her friend and now have 3 coy hill bottles, though I won’t have all 3 for long, as I’ll use one for trade most likely) but I know what to use as a baseline for trades and/or purchase for other states. I also think we need an app that shows msrp and secondary so we can know what to pay

[@BourbonDrop]

@garnetreecejones9222 Wow! 3 Coy Hills! Looking for anything particular! Like, say a Weller 12! 🤣🥃

[@garnetreecejones9222]

@ I’m really looking for a single rickhouse CN-B. I’d consider trading for a RR15 too so I could have a backup. But I’m thinking 2 of these I’ll keep for me as an open/backup. So I’ll have 1 for trade. And yeah I got super lucky

[@BourbonDrop]

@garnetreecejones9222 Nice!!!! 🥃

[@JFRiley]

Good video Myron, thanks.

[@BourbonDrop]

@@JFRiley Thanks! My pleasure! 🥃

[@enricojaun2880]

I start to pucker at $100 for any bottle. I think the only one you had there i would pay that is stag (btac and pappy stuff not withstanding). I do wish i could find a weller 12 for a reasonable price! I want to mix it with 107 and make pmp.

[@BourbonDrop]

@enricojaun2880 Nothing like the hundred dollar pucker factor! 🤣🥃

[@DanLivingston]

I found Eagle Rare 10 at a store near me for MSRP. I was shocked.

[@BourbonDrop]

Wow! That's great for a non controlled store! 🥃

[@DanLivingston]

I guess this one store usually has it. I didn't even want to tell my bourbon buddies about it. I will, but they will owe me 😊

[@SuperScottie3000]

If you want Buffalo Trace and can’t find it, look for Benchmark single barrel instead. It’s higher proof, readily available, and IMO better.

[@Gvous44]

I would add JD 10 and 12 year. I’ve only seen these at about twice msrp. I stick with the SB Select and barrel proof. I wonder if the 10&12 are worth the extra $$$? Great video!

[@BourbonDrop]

@Gvous44 Thanks! I had a sample of the 10 and 12 and actually preferred the 10, in a blind. Both were great. $125...$150 max. They are hard to get, so I take that into account. I, too, stick with JDSBBPs. 🥃

[@jbagley3411]

Solid info!

[@BourbonDrop]

@@jbagley3411 Appreciate it! 🥃

[@TheWorldAccordingToJ]

I have not drank a Benchmark that I've liked. And I've had them all. There's just some sort of note I can't pinpoint that is odd for me. Ohio prices: Stagg: $59.99 Buffalo Trace: $26.99 Blantons: $74.99 Eagle Rare: $41.99 Weller Antique: $58.99

[@BourbonDrop]

@@TheWorldAccordingToJ Benchmark always gives me a candy corn note. It doesn't matter what bottle it is. Those are great prices. Are they easy to get , or do you guys have drops? 🥃

[@torrrrrrrry]

Maryland! 🙌

[@BourbonDrop]

👊🏾🥃

[@TheWhiskeyContractor]

40 bucks for the weller 12 nice 👍🏾

[@BourbonDrop]

@@TheWhiskeyContractor Yeah, Ray! I lucked up! 🥃

[@ScottHayes-z8r]

I’m a whiskey newbie, living in Va. I had a Stagg and EHT SB in my hands and the clerk said I could only have one or the other. I chose the EHT😭

[@BourbonDrop]

@ScottHayes-z8r Probably not a bad decision being new in the game. Stagg is good, but it may have come off as a little hot. Either way, you got a chance to touch 2 bottles that some people never will! 🥃

[@DanLivingston]

I paid $125 for a Blanton's. I've never seen it in the store where I live, so I grabbed it. No regret.

[@BourbonDrop]

Nice! Bottles that I want but rarely see, I will spend more on. 🥃

[@0529mpb]

I have never seen a Weller SR in my secondary groups, ever.

[@BourbonDrop]

@@0529mpb There is nothing SPECIAL about it. 🤣🥃

[@scootergants]

Stagg 🥇🏆

[@BourbonDrop]

@@scootergants The new 24B is a monster! 🥃

[@thomaswilson9407]

In trade, you can trade that weller 12 for an antique straight across. Just got a w12 I'm going to do that with

[@BourbonDrop]

@thomaswilson9407 Thanks for the info. I might add another bottle and try for something better. Nice grab on the W12! 🥃

[@roscoepcoltrane23]

Literally just tried the white dog yesterday. Weird. It definitely tastes like moonshine. Wasn’t a fan. That Westward sounds great.

[@BourbonDrop]

@@roscoepcoltrane23 Straight white lightning! 🤣🥃

[@HD-nm1iv]

Interesting 👍🏿

[@BourbonDrop]

@@HD-nm1iv Thanks! 🥃

[@brettheiner7125]

I’m not patient enough to stick to MSRP, I’d get very few nice bottles in my state. There are just too few available to satisfy demand. I’m not one for going without, either. Life is too short to drink bourbon you don’t love!

[@BourbonDrop]

@brettheiner7125 🤣🤣🤣 If you got it, spend it! 🥃

[@TorupHodl]

How about the michters bp and 10's>?

[@BourbonDrop]

@TorupHodl The BPs and 10s are hard for me to get. I would probably go 150 for the BPs and MSRP for the 10s. They are good, but the proof is so low that it makes it hard to fork over any more than that. 🥃

[@avaleesdad]

What's the max on Weller full proof?

[@BourbonDrop]

@avaleesdad Thanks for asking! I haven't had it yet, so I didn't want to give an uneducated opinion. I hope to get one this weekend. 🥃

[@BourbonDrop]

I picked it up early and cracked it last night. It's very good. Due to how hard it is to get, 120-150 is a buy all day. 🥃

[@godsfavoriterick]

I’m from Maryland also bro we the worst … One county where I live sales everything at retail cuz they control kinda like a ABC… The only problem is and the inside connection made before I got big into whiskey

[@BourbonDrop]

@godsfavoriterick You must be in Montgomery County. I still haven't made it to one of their drops. VA did a lot of firing, even sent people to jail behind the inside connections. ABC cleaned house. I go in there now and barely anyone knows about bourbon. They're always recommending something rot gutt or Buffalo Trace! 🤣🥃

[@robertreitermanjr2973]

Secondary really comes down to your area. State Controlled is much easier to get allocated at a fair price compared to me in Michigan where we don't get a ton of Allocated overall and no one sells it at MSRP...double MSRP is the bare minimum. You really need to understand your area and what the average price you are seeing. Weller 12 for example...cheapest that has every been here is 150 at one store. Typically 200+!

[@BourbonDrop]

That's insane! Here in MD it's pretty much the same. Most stores have crazy prices on BTAC and Weller. I even know of a store that had Russell's 13 for a Thousand. 🥃

[@robertreitermanjr2973]

@@BourbonDrop That's why I really pay attention to the area...here...West side vs East side of the state is different. This is why it's helpful to travel to the states around you. Ohio is Weller land...they get it all and for a great price. Just need to pay attention to the trends of the area. We don't really see RR13...only seen a couple in the past few years...did get one for 250...but that was the only one and the only time I was able to get it.

[@tvyankeefan]

Seriously after hearing you would not go above $300 for GTS for anywhere near that it’s embarrassing!! Good luck 👍🏽

[@BourbonDrop]

@@tvyankeefan Never. I just can't go over $300 for any bottle. I know I'll never see it for that, but I have my limits! 🥃

[@theEDCgeek]

Honestly, any one that buys second is a fool. It's a consumable, whiskey or a bourbon. It's made to drink. Not collect, resale or trade. Fool is always soon separated from his money 🤷‍♂️🤣

[@BourbonDrop]

@@theEDCgeek 🤣🥃

[@jaysenior2220]

Ohio is looking to pass a law that forces liquor stores to open desirable bottles before they sell them. Its supposed to cut down or kill resale. I think its totally STUPID. i want to open my bottles for a special occasion or when i want to.

[@BourbonDrop]

I've read a little about that. We plan to discuss this topic on our livestream tonight. Check us @TheWhiskey6 (The Whiskey 6) 9pm 🥃

[@BourbonDrop]

I didn't think about the people who like to keep special bottles sealed until a special occasion arises.

[@Docmeff1]

I like Myron. I'd like to drunk bourbon with him. I think I'd lean a lot!

[@Docmeff1]

Drink*

[@BourbonDrop]

@Docmeff1 Thanks! I do pop up at Bourbon meet-up s every now and again! 🥃

[@0529mpb]

Secondary? The first rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about Fight Club. ...and the second rule of Fight Club is....

[@BourbonDrop]

@@0529mpb 🤣🤣🤣🥃

[@grapeape16]

Unsubscibed. ✌️

[@BourbonDrop]

🤣🥃

[@FreeFlyFreak69]

EH Taylor Small Batch is $100 here, the single barrel is $200. I did buy a small batch, it wasn't worth the hundo

[@BourbonDrop]

They are so hard to get in my area that I would do 100 for a SiB, but you're right. They are not worth $100. Especially when I know that's almost 3X the cost of a Small Batch.

[@FreeFlyFreak69]

Id rather do Eagle Rare for $50 around here for sure, there is not much that beats that for taste per dollar.