$3,000 VS $50 BOURBON: PAPPY 12,15, AND 20!!!

[@FlintIronstag23]

Pappy has become a Veblen good. It is the Petrus of the bourbon world. To be fair to Pappy though, the MRSP is actually reasonable for the amount of time it takes to make.

[@OurPourDecisions]

Yes, I think you make an excellent point. Whereas most winemakers quickly make sure to "close the gap" between market prices and release prices, the van Winkles have not done so. You can argue that they forgo significant profits by not doing so and it's often lost in the stories.

[@guitar911rock]

@@OurPourDecisions That's a good point. Why don't they increase the price even the small amount?

[@2011blueman]

@@guitar911rock Maintaining the secondary market price is important for Veblen goods.

[@Juice8g]

You guys are awesome for your generosity. I’ll try them some day.😂

[@thomasanderson2870]

We have been doing blinds at my northern Michigan deer camp for many years with less expensive bourbon versus high end stuff, I'm amazed at how stuff like jts brown, early times and jw dant beats out bourbon that is 3-4 times the price...80% of the time. But then again we are NOT experts just regular folks 😉👍💯

[@OurPourDecisions]

So are we - amateurs. Enjoy trying the expensive stuff but drink the much less expensive bottlings. I have to say I really like the Blanton's though.

[@MaryKing-m7d]

Enjoyed this! ❤ an honest opinion. Pops & Mark know their bourbon. They both pulled #3 as the oldest w/ color & oak smell. Glad they gave their true taste favs. B & Jeff always making the podcast production top notch. Thanks for teaching me something new!

[@theladder06]

Very cool tasting. Very fortunate to try so many options-cheers🥃

[@sophiewingfield6136]

Not the biggest bourbon drinker but I loved this video!!! So interesting

[@CR-il3bm]

I love your videos!!! Keep them coming!!! Congrats!!

[@andrewnorrie3809]

Good to see you back .

[@thomasmichael6509]

Pappy 20 is my favorite overall. But the 2023 pappy 15 was one of the best bourbons I’ve ever had.

[@manuelrodriguez4743]

🗣️looooved it. Definitely I will try Pappy 15 🤩👌🏼.

[@frankr4038]

This was a great show … well done.

[@otterman5]

Love the video, keep up the great work.

[@jbbourbon178]

FYI, Pappy is the same distillate as the Weller line. It’s just where it’s aged and how long.

[@OurPourDecisions]

Yes, same Wheated Bourbon Mash Bill.

[@Despite37]

nice video. I like to swirl bourbon around to check the "legs" of the pour. tells you how viscous it is.

[@KennKamp-sv2xh]

If you pay over $100 for a bottle of whiskey, you are a victim of precise marketing.

[@OurPourDecisions]

I know I'm a victim of marketing all the time! - Pops

[@CakeBanditJr]

FACTS! I do not fall for the hype and will not be a victim of the secondary market! I refuse to spend over 100!

[@jbbourbon178]

Would be fun to see this again with some heavy hitters from other distilleries as well. The new Russel’s 15 (and 13 for that matter) are some of the best bourbons available.

[@brendanwoerner3352]

That’s your opinion. It’s all subjective.

[@Scientist12345678910]

Great video, keep it up!

[@henrieliot]

I like the Pappy 10yo when I did a similar tasting here. Time for a EH Taylor or Springbank vertical?

[@ChickenRiceEnjoyer]

Another video! Finally!!

[@OurPourDecisions]

Sorry about the delays. Hard to coordinate with other work and priorities. B rocks for making it happen! - Pops

[@CowboySomm]

What a great tasting! Little bit of jealousy here. Nice episode.

[@hottuna2006]

Not a huge Bourbon drinker and prefer single malt Scotches but I would love to try a Pappy some day. Had a chance to buy one at an auction but I was outbid. It's interesting that the 15-yo was more preferable over the 20.

[@ccuellar6212]

Bourbon is checkers as to where Scotch is chess.

[@OurPourDecisions]

All of the participants at the Buffalo Trace distillery preferred the 15 - seems to hit a sweet spot.

[@LeatherDaddy97]

@@ccuellar6212 no

[@MadAuralSkills]

Pappy 15 is a great Bourbon! Would you consider doing a video on single malt Scotch?

[@OurPourDecisions]

Yes, for sure.

[@FridayFishFacts]

Not sure if I have requested this before, but I’d love to see a champagne episode

[@hulkslayer626]

Currently siping on some Eagle Rare. Also currently in a lottery for a bottle of Pappy. Gonna resell it because even at "retail", it is too much for a single bottle. I love Whisky! I am only 4 years into this hobby so far and my palate is not refined enough to get the value of such an expensive bottle. I believe in the law of diminishing returns...

[@OurPourDecisions]

Nice. Diminishing returns or just a result of very limited supply.

[@hulkslayer626]

@OurPourDecisions honestly... both lol

[@ByxxForMe]

Looks like you just opened up the bottle of Eagle Rare and Weller. The Pappy’s look like they have been open for a while. This makes a difference, because normally a new bottle of whiskey has to open up a little bit before all the flavors come out. Could be the reason why the Eagle Rare wasn’t liked as much as I would expect.

[@Mardello]

This is exactly right. Completely different story once the spirit has had a bit of air.

[@jamiebrandon8475]

This!

[@OurPourDecisions]

Great point. The Pappy bottles had been open for four weeks (since we made the trip to Buffalo Trace)

[@thomasmichael6509]

Having had dozens of pours of each, I promise you that’s not why the eagle rate wasn’t like as much as the others lol

[@yachtfangirl]

Nice to see you invite the cameraman to have a taste.

[@OurPourDecisions]

Without Jeff there's no channel.

[@robertpatterson3106]

Funny how Weller and Pappy are the same Mash bill. To be honest Pappy is all hype and BT knows it. All of BT is hype.

[@OurPourDecisions]

Same mash bill indeed. There are only four mash bill "trees" at BT and they tell you exactly that mash bill goes into each bourbon. Overall, I thought the BT visit was very well executed and surprisingly informative.

[@markntexas8265]

Weller was barely above well when I was a kid in the 70’s and 80’s They couldn’t sell Pappy for years

[@414s4]

Way more to bourbon than the mash bill, where it sits in the Rick house, how long it’s in the barrel, bother matter a bunch.

[@thomasmichael6509]

Mash bill only accounts for maybe 30% of the flavor of a bourbon. Aging and warehouse placing is much more important

[@coryz6880]

PVW15 & WLW are my two favorite bourbons. I know you are not a fan of Weller, but have you tried the William Larue Weller? 🥃

[@OurPourDecisions]

No, I haven't tried it yet - would love to. - Pops

[@coryz6880]

@@OurPourDecisions It’s a high proof bourbon with complexity, great mouthfeel (covers full pallet), and tasting notes of caramel, butterscotch and molasses.

[@korgs1302]

Agreed. PVW15 & WLW are my 2 favorites as well.

[@guitar911rock]

An interesting statement that stuck with me is you said 'you couldnt tell the difference between the high price and quality' i feel that with wine, there definitely is a tastable difference between the low end and high end. Maybe you just pay for the name in whiskey

[@marknelson8724]

Since B. was not really interested in the Bourbon, I would guess she might really love Pinot Noir, Nebbiolo and Etna Rosso.

[@OurPourDecisions]

She does like Pinots!

[@prccap]

This is why I always pick Scotch over Bourbon lol

[@OurPourDecisions]

I think both are fun. We'll do a Macallan episode at some point. I lean more Scotch myself. - Pops

[@FrankQ777]

I have a J.P. Van Winkle 1984 has not been opened yet.

[@OurPourDecisions]

That's awesome! It'll be from the original mash bill.

[@ZahraIsMyDog]

The science shows wine “experts” can’t distinguish as many flavors as they claim they can. As bourbon is ~45%++ alcohol, that would seem to be even more true of it.

[@kennethlivingston7162]

Wait, is it infamous, or is it famous?

[@MichaelH-ck4hg]

I’ve compared 12 year Pappy vs 12 year Eagle Rare. It was a few years ago and the Eagle Rare cost me $30. I wasn’t alone and a few other people were with me. We all preferred the Eagle Rare, but there wasn’t a huge difference. Someone else might prefer the Pappy and that’s their opinion. I think their prices are silly, but people are willing to buy it because of their reputation.

[@probablynuggets8314]

I didn't think there's an eagle rare 12. The og eagle rare is a 10 year.

[@MichaelH-ck4hg]

@@probablynuggets8314You are correct. It was a while ago and I was thinking it was 12 years old

[@OurPourDecisions]

We pointed out in the video that the prices charged by the distillery is not what the market prices are. We can't fault BT for the pricing - that's entirely created by retailers and the secondary market.

[@templar1060]

Hype

[@dchevron77]

Any scotch videos on the horizon?

[@OurPourDecisions]

Macallan probably

[@dchevron77]

@OurPourDecisions ill be on the lookout for it. Thanks for the lovely content!

[@mbmaltman]

Technically the 12 is not a Pappy but Van Winkle 12 LotB. The Pappy’s are the 15,20 and 23.

[@OurPourDecisions]

True.

[@maxstephens9675]

can you please do yquem

[@worldalvin]

drunk confusion

[@LeatherDaddy97]

None of the bottles in the video are over $300. Pappy is fine. They arent any better than most of what you can get off the shelf.

[@mcwine18]

Sheesh Pops.. the peer pressure on B though LOL💀💀😭

[@OurPourDecisions]

She made me taste hard seltzers.....lol

[@mcwine18]

@@OurPourDecisions My bad, I take that back. Point taken LOL

[@davidlawspoonful]

Why didn’t the girl want to try the bourbon? That’s crazy. Some of the rarest bottles in the world. She just doesn’t like bourbon?

[@OurPourDecisions]

I tried it when we brought the bottles to buffalo trace! I personally don’t like bourbon so why waste it? 🤗 -B

[@davidlawspoonful]

@ hey that’s fair! Everyone has a different palate

[@ClimbMitBourbon]

Buffalo Trace Pappy is uncomparable to the Stitzel-Weller.

[@OurPourDecisions]

I would think it's hard to compare. The Stitzel-Weller bottles are tough to come by now.

[@bc4evernow]

Why did that girl even go. She took so much away from this episode.

[@OurPourDecisions]

We're a team! B made me try seltzers and I made her try Bourbon. Seems fair to me. She had the great time but is unlikely to become a bourbon afficionado....LOL! - Pops

[@Subourbon]

itought Burl Ives was dead.

[@OurPourDecisions]

LOL!

[@vitaliy4005]

☺🥃🥃🥃

[@numanuma20]

Do you just love to try expensive stuff?

[@paulelder5961]

This is clearly an attempt to write off their collection as a business expense.

[@OurPourDecisions]

LOL

[@OurPourDecisions]

This isn't the stuff we drink every day. It's fun to try the crazy expensive stuff for videos to see what the hype is all about.

[@numanuma20]

@@OurPourDecisionsI wish I could try some of the nice stuff more too.

[@logan23afroman]

This is such an awkward video...do they even know each other?

[@ShadowDeathG]

Is that you’re wife or daughter she’s awfully young

[@OurPourDecisions]

That’s my dad 😂 -B

[@ShadowDeathG]

I figured as much you two remind me of me and my dad but I enjoyed the wine cellars tours and that whiskey video with the pappy you should look into prodigy winery and vineyards in Frankfort Kentucky not super expensive wine but it’s homemade and not top dollar expensive but it’s decent priced and really high quality

[@GratefulNachos]

That CYPB is like $800+ not $50

[@LeatherDaddy97]

Its $50. None of the bottles in this video are over $300

[@GratefulNachos]

@@LeatherDaddy97 🤣 you tell me where you can buy it for that then, and I’ll be there with bells on.

[@LeatherDaddy97]

@@GratefulNachos anywhere that sells bottles for msrp.

[@OurPourDecisions]

We listed both MSRP and market prices. The reason for doing that is that you only have one of two options: 1.) Enter a lottery and "win" to pau MSRP (in your state), or 2.) Pay market price

[@spamham1976]

Pappy Van Winkle of Kentucky bourbon = Screaming eagle of Napa Cabernet. All hype and no real value

[@OurPourDecisions]

When talking about pricing, there is a very notable difference between SE and Pappy. SE charges $1,350 per bottle and Pappy about $250-300, which means that most of Pappy's price is bid up in the secondary market.

[@sammylo6200]

Another pppy video. These videos are so played out and always comparing them against $50 bottles. No one cares

[@ccuellar6212]

Pappy…the most overrated bourbon of all time.

[@OurPourDecisions]

Not sure you can blame Julian van Winkle for that. Their release prices are way under market and they've resisted increasing the prices to the point where they more closely match the secondary market.

[@WhiskeyForge]

That girl is a wet blanket.

[@OurPourDecisions]

I had pneumonia in this episode so I was doing my best! -B

[@Mewoodguy]

@@OurPourDecisionsu did great B

[@kentpiano2600]

Well this was new on me as we don't know these in GB and I only rarely drink a scotch - now I have a 50yo bottle of White Horse valued £150 - fifty years old, it rocks, from Edinburgh! I have a good tasting palate for Scotch but I don't know Bourbons well so for me your tasting was entertaining and very educational and I liked it lots, cheers 🥃 tonite me kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKWmloNpi9OZpbssi=0b_MOeyF_1pME1AC

[@OurPourDecisions]

Cheers! I want some of that!!