Behringer EDGE MIDI Questions Answered

[@lesterfalcon1350]

Wow, thank you for doing this. Putting the star in Starsky. This is really reassuring to have a much clearer picture on the midi options

[@mimikova390]

Keep in mind the edge is meant to work in concert with the crave. The crave will do midi to pitch cv. I use it to pitch my dfam sometimes. Usualy i use the Beatstep pro in that role. but the crave will do midi to pitch.

[@StarskyCarr]

of course, just pointing out that this won't... well just noticing as I recorded actually :)

[@devmech]

Thank you so much for doing this early exploration! I can't tell you how jealous I am that you already have one of these monsters. It seems like every reviewer starts demoing and gets caught up in how good it sounds. The excitement is real.

[@davidgoode7416]

You got one yet?

[@devmech]

​@@davidgoode7416 Yeah! Can't keep my hands off it. Too much fun. Jams and doodles up at @robotswhatrobots

[@davebeep3887]

An oddity I noticed is, if you have the "Seq Pitch Mod" selected to anything other than "off", when you play a note via midi input, the Edge triggers another note (whatever is on the current sequencer step) on key release / midi note off. If you are playing the Edge with a keyboard, make sure you have "Seq Pith Mod" selected to off.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah that’s a good point. I mention it in either this or my other videos, it can be a real head scratcher when you realise it’s playing different notes than you’re hitting on the keyboard!

[@davebeep3887]

@@StarskyCarr I almost gave up on it when changing the midi/usb/ int ext setting didn't stop it. Was an afterthought to try the pitch mod switch.

[@MorwenWhyte]

Oh man, thanks for this tip, I was having the same issue and the only way I could stop it was dialing 0 pitch on the step I was playing on (that worked somehow). I'm glad there was a proper way to avoid that bouncing note. Although I still find it kind of cool that you can switch that ringing note back on whenever you want and give the EDGE a banjo-ish flavour.

[@PAAmsterdam]

Thanks man, you’re the reason for my purchase of the edge 🎉If you could make a tutorial edge with crave that would be awesome 🙌🏻

[@SMOKINGROOVE]

Great video. Got sick of waiting for the unit to come out and ended up bying a DFAM instead.

[@hansmuller1980]

i paid 166 bucks bro

[@THEREALDATALORD]

Brother, I appreciate you so much.

[@krazywabbit]

I heard sounds that sounded good to my ear. Thank you for sharing. Definitely on my list to acquire. Stay safe.

[@ianperesmusic]

Bloody brilliant video. I'm so keen to get an Edge or three and see what my Keystep can do with it. Really makes me wish the DFAM had midi. I have to use so much CV trickery to get it to do what I want when MIDI could just circumvent most of it. I'm most excited about that velocity sensitive expression!

[@fatkev1983]

I agree! I was thinking about how I might use the Edge with my Beatstep Pro. Behringer did do a video with some very rough MIDI info but I think it was from a year ago. This video here is an honest demo of a fair bit of the MIDI functionality. I can't wait for my Edge to arrive now... Just got a Yamaha VSS200 that arrived today to play with until then.

[@mimikova390]

I have a the MAFD midi mod on my dfam. It is awesome.

[@ianperesmusic]

@@mimikova390holy shit, I did not know that existed! Thanks for that, gonna look into it!

[@mimikova390]

@@ianperesmusic best part abot the mafd is that it always resets so you didn't have to put it on the step when syncing to daw

[@ianperesmusic]

@@mimikova390 oh man that'd be so great not to have to worry about that anymore. Haha it's honestly the one annoying thing I find about the DFAM

[@EvilVon777]

I have an Edge and a Crave hooked up to my Maschine MK3... oh my, what fun!

[@StarskyCarr]

Edge vs DFAM kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmavcneGhciUhJI MIDI kzbin.info/www/bejne/hILYmaJvftF2hZY With a DAW kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3iQYmyOi7pqos0 Main demo kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJSXqJ-losaqhNU For some sample packs check out www.starskycarr.com

[@bob-rogers]

With two oscillators that respond to pitch it would make a pretty good bass synth.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah some of those tones I got just demoing the functions were great.

[@zbsfm]

No attack phase on the envelope unfortunately, but if you don't mind that, absolutely

[@davidgoode7416]

Great video, thanks

[@ahteha8010]

Thank you.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Great video! 🍻

[@joe_fizz]

Thank you for your invaluable videos Sir 🙏

[@mu0p]

My biggest want from this is something like the Sonoclast MAFD to trigger the different 8 steps in whatever order I want. Really bummed that isn't a feature with this :(

[@DavidJKellett]

I think the MIDI stuff will take the Edge rather beyond the DFAM. I shan’t be selling my DFAM but I’m seriously thinking about adding an other Edge to my order at Andertons as I think two Edges, a DFAM, a Crave, a TD-3 or two and a TD-3MO will make for some great noises in my studio.

[@markusshoggu]

im a midi noob. ordered the edge. what midi stuff makes the edge better? do you mind explaining? greetings

[@lukeskywalker2656]

🎉Tip Top Video❤ @ Behringer Edge 😘 love Starsky Carr

[@Computerrorist]

So... MIDI transport (start/stop) signals from a master sequencer do not trigger a reset to the first step of the internal sequencer?

[@michaeltinnin]

Auto midi clock. It's a must in today's kit

[@eduardolopez4045]

Does anyone know if you can control things on the Edge via midi CC? If so, is there a midi implementation chart?

[@protmanwich]

When using external MIDI or USB, can individual steps be triggered in an arbitrary order? The DFAM can do this with the Sonoclast MAFD addon module :]

[@StarskyCarr]

No, not without the sonoclast (I’m assuming it’ll work)

[@michaelobrien8666]

With cv, gate, and mod on my midi controller, is there a way to do the pitch to noise snare sound?

[@markparker4362]

Hi Great information as always. Wondered what your thoughts are on combining the edge with the Pulsar 23 as regards the best way to sync and combine into a daw (I use Ableton) Thanks in advance.

[@jostannard4713]

Ordered mine yesterday, still can’t get my head round all the haters

[@ashleycobbold7816]

Hey man, wondering if you could help, I've just got the edge and I'm getting volume issues whenever I try and link it up with anything. I tried my volca drum through a headphone splitter and the edge become barely audible, the same trough a mixer. Did you have any of these issues?

[@urileschauer386]

Ah i see so i need a preamp in order for the level to be adequate. any inexpensive recommendations? I appreciate the replies! Love your show!

[@StarskyCarr]

I don't have any recommendations for any in particular sorry. There's lots of workarounds with different modules, but anything with an amp should do it. The Voltage Lab2 has one for example, as does the Taiga, but I don't have a specific module. If you've any eurorack, maybe you have a VCA that would do the trick.

[@Swodie_Jeetin]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "no MIDI reset", but I find that my edge (stock firmware) always reverts to step 1 when I hit play in Reaper. I'm only outputting the clock pulse over USB but even if I select "do not send reset message" in the MIDI menu it will not begin from any step other than 1. Maybe you're referring to resetting on the fly? IDK just my 2 cents.

[@StarskyCarr]

No idea tbh. Maybe there’s been a firmware update or maybe I was talking about resetting at any point ie resetting ad hoc at any point eg after 5 steps to create a 5 step loop then after 7 steps then after 3 for either semi random or polymetric stuff. Probably the latter.

[@RaquelFoster]

The way the Edge responds to MIDI notes is VERY strange. If SEQ PITCH MOD is off, it just plays the MIDI notes. It triggers the envelope, then when you release the key it stops. If you press TRIGGER on the Edge it will replay the last MIDI note it got. But if SEQ PITCH MOD is on, when you release the note, instead of stopping, the oscillator pitch changes to the pitch of the active step and it keeps playing for the normal decay time. Many Moog synths treat the last MIDI note received as a base note and then CV gets added to (or transposes) that note. That's what my Minitaur does, so I can turn it into a DFAM with a Korg SQ-1, and then I can send MIDI notes which transpose the pattern from the SQ-1 using CV. But what the Edge does seems more like a bug.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah I demo this somewhere… maybe not in this video. I couldn’t work out what was happening for a while.

[@robotriddims]

I think I know the answer to this... but if the seq pitch mod is off and the sequencer is running... can you play midi notes to define the pitch while everthing else comes from the Edge sequencer? I think not, but what a shame!

[@StarskyCarr]

@@robotriddims yes it’s the first thing I demo. The pitch is played via midi.. turn seq pitch off and it turns off the seq pitch🤷‍♂️😂😂 if that’s what’s you’re asking - you can then use the seq pitch knobs for whatever you like.

[@robotriddims]

@@StarskyCarr thanks - I meant with the Edge sequencer running though, which I don't think it is in the first example... saw someone suggest maybe it doesn't work unless the seq is stopped? Great if it does! (not a deal breaker if it doesn't tbh)

[@StarskyCarr]

@@robotriddims aah I see - pretty sure it does. I don’t see why it wouldn’t - but I’m not with jt at the mo to check.

[@carlosmodegahan4455]

Can I connect a controller like the akai fire using a midi cable? I would like to use the akai fire as a 16 note step sequencer on the edge.

[@StarskyCarr]

that should be do-able. I used a keyboard in this for MIDI so any MIDI message will work whatever it comes from.

[@CB19087]

Ah i really need to learn how to use my kit. I have the edge and the crave and also volca sample and fm. I struggle to sync stuff because I don't really understand what to do. Any recommendations for videos syncing kit?

[@JimHast]

Hey! Nice video! I couldn’t understand the swing part. Does the Edge have a swing option?

[@mr.irrelevant3588]

its better than the Dfam

[@al.cavalu]

Uglier but definitely better!

[@BasilSimon]

Hey Starsky! Great channel, I'm loving your style and pace. Very informative! So I BOUGHT AN EDGE!!! That's the power of Starsky Carr in action, right there! However..... I am absolutely flummoxed when it comes to getting my Cubase 12 pro to run its clock? I have it recieving midi and I'm able to play notes on my controller via 5 pin DIN and I have the USB plugged into my PC (windows 10) but cannot work out how to make the edge work when I flick the switch to USB midi. Is there any possible chance you could do a short tutorial on the simplest possible way to have a DAW run the Edges clock? Thanks mate!

[@StarskyCarr]

It depends on the DAW tbh. I’m Logic you have to set the individual MiDI outputs to send clock for example. I think it’s sent by default on Ableton, but can’t remember how it works on Cubase, I’ve not touched it for about 10 years now. You need to press play on the Edge - which is a big one!

[@BasilSimon]

@StarskyCarr Thanks! I thought I had Cubase sending clock but I will check. That does sound like a solution.

[@kp8923]

Does anyone happen to know or remember if the Crave has MIDI reset?

[@dyscotopia]

I've played with both and the edge is much better apart from some minor interface weirdness and some, ahem, edge case scenarios. Now, if someone were to make a 3 voice version, we'd be rocking😊

[@StarskyCarr]

buy 2 and you'll have a 4 voice

[@wonderwheel80s]

Thanks, I was wondering about this. It's actually more than I hoped for, I was afraid MIDI was just for sync. Anyway, does the MIDI pitch add to the sequencer pitch, or does it replace it?

[@ogasi1798]

midi pitch hits the active trigger only - if you send it midi notes while the seq: is running nothing will happen, stop the engine, hit a key and the pattern transposes and you hear this after play is pushed again

[@wonderwheel80s]

@@ogasi1798 Not sure I understand this, but thank you for your kind answer. I mean, you're telling me that I hit a key and, after I press play, the Edge remembers the pitch and transpose the sequence? I'm pretty sure there's no such capability in it, no memory.

[@ogasi1798]

@@wonderwheel80s i have two proto of them, trust me i know what i am talking about it still has mcu etc, midi is just a signal hitting the cv of the seq: - if midi is connected and a seq: is playing - if you stop and hit a key, the sequence is transposed yes 🙂 basically when pitch of the step is centred, that particular step is the pitch you are transposing and his can be heard by hitting the trigger button and then replicating on midi kbd - you then play the new note and all others follow simply suit

[@ogasi1798]

@@wonderwheel80s I'll ask starsky to do a short showing it, it's a neat little trick sort of and very easy to miss

[@wonderwheel80s]

@@ogasi1798 All right, so I'm happy to be wrong!

[@joost3783]

yooo where's the pro-800?? Im sitting here trying to figure the gligli mod out and behringers manuals are basically non existent!! ;D

[@albertocastillo7686]

When is this edge hitting the streets?

[@urileschauer386]

Is the external audio actually play audio? I get nothing and cant find information anywhere about it

[@StarskyCarr]

It’s an audio input and needs to be at eurorack level. Line level isn’t loud enough.

[@Anton-du-Fleur]

The Edge and midi clock works great a100.00 and scale is set to 1/4... 1 increase on the bpm and it doesnt run in time wtf?

[@mh22xv]

Ok, great! So when is the UB-Xa coming?

[@unsinndj]

4:39 I’m sick of 808 909 sounds, I’m sure behringer can do something in their own taste something what’s is nothing like Roland sounds from last century… Thanks for your content!

[@_esquire6189]

Would a midi drum pad device be able to trigger the Edge? I mean one that I would play with drum sticks.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yes.

[@templetonpalmer2938]

does anybody know what is sent out of the MIDI out port?

[@Aaronpride]

Thank your wife for letting us have you use that table 😂

[@derkernspalter]

The MIDI capabilities of the DFAM start at 7:20

[@PBHorrorGaming]

Pick up a MAFD if you want midi on the DFAM, you can sequence it from your DAW forwards, backwards, random, any which way you want.

[@StarskyCarr]

I honestly thought MAFD was just someone messing around with the name. I had no idea it was a real product until now. Just looked it up. Will have to get one to demo!

[@dreadtube4567]

Arturia Keystep can be used as a midi to cv converter/running other midi gear through it!

[@scottmacey]

An extra £150 onto the price of the DFAM? No thanks

[@Sandelec-gm2cl]

The DFAM is the best scam of the today's market. Have you seen the DFAM opened..? There is a youtube video for this. The electronic board is very little. And the lack of midi.. the micro knob tor tune every steps.. the lack of scaler to quantize in different modes.. do four times the price of the DFAM.. of the cost it must have.

[@KeithDuncanSound]

Nice one man. Did Behringer send you a review Edge? I see they are not out until August/September

[@wonderwheel80s]

Where did you see that? Because I have very different dates.

[@wonderwheel80s]

Anyway, youtubers got this September 2022. You can easily see that by the dates of their videos.

[@derkernspalter]

In earlier videos he said it's a pre production unit.

[@markusshoggu]

@@wonderwheel80s i ordered in germany at thomann (our biggest online music store) and it says delivery "in 1-2 weeks"

[@tubthump]

@@wonderwheel80s I ordered one from Britain. Thomann says "in stock within about one week".

[@Nova-TechnoLAB]

Dude great stuff. But, how do you connect an ordinary inert plastic junk MIDI controller keyboard like the Novation Launchkey mini mk3 to the EDGE successfully? I have it all connected as per instructions/manual and nothing, no sound, no nothing. Thinking of saving the Novation Launchkey mini for a day to drive over it with a lawnmower, but would prefer not to. ANYONE successfully connected this plastic garbage (Launchkey mini mk3) to the amazing EGDE?

[@StarskyCarr]

Make sure you’re in the right midi channel. The edge has jumpers on the back but I think leaves the factory set to 1. Check the Novation is outputting to the same channel.

[@Nova-TechnoLAB]

@@StarskyCarr Hi bro, thanks for the response. Yeah I tried every channel possible on both the midi controller and the Edge and still nothing. Did jump on a call with a music shop and one of the tech wizards there thinks the trs cable going out of the midi controller (novation) could be the problem. He said occasionally equipment can be sensitive to different brands of cables, even if its the same thing. Will try different cable this weekend, but if doesnt work might try a different controller. Thank you legend!!

[@StarskyCarr]

@@Nova-TechnoLABthat’s true. The hours I’ve spent trying to figure stuff out and it turns out to be a cable that works on other kit. Last port of call but a definite possibility.

[@gonzinigonz]

Can you limit the sequencer length to any number of steps? I'm thinking odd timings against say 4/4

[@ogasi1798]

we have no reset so creating a 3 step etc is not easy without trickery - tiny bit of modular and some thinking about step levels and you are away the easy way is to use an external trigger like from #rd9 or similar that or set the midi divider to triplets or use a midi seq:

[@landslidepurist]

Nope

[@gonzinigonz]

@@landslidepurist Thats what i wondered...

[@jm6734]

Not being able to slave it to swing gives me pause. Do you think there’s any chance that’ll work with other/their own (awaited) sequencers?

[@livetechsupport909]

Transmitting MIDI clock which has swing built into the data stream is a pretty rare and actually unreliable way of doing things...because different manufacturers interpret that fluctuating clock data differently. I'm surprised the Cobalt actually transmits MIDI clock with swing built in. Generally it's best to adjust swing value on the sequencer itself if the device's internal sequencer has swing adjustment. I'm not sure if Edge's internal sequencer has swing, but if you have an external sequencer with swing that generates analog clock pulses (e.g. Pioneer DJ Toraiz Squid), you can drive the Edge with that and swing all you want.

[@robotriddims]

or you can patch "swing" - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4HFZaaEhbWbaNU

[@jm6734]

@@livetechsupport909thanks for explaining 😊👍

[@mykroz]

Can you combine Edge's with Crave's matrix?

[@StarskyCarr]

yes.. they work with any euro rack module as well

[@mykroz]

@@StarskyCarr cool, thank you!

[@tristanalliston7927]

Question.. Difference between a Behringer crave and the edge

[@StarskyCarr]

one is a single oscillator synth with ADSR, LFO and a digital sequencer. The other is a 2 oscillator percussive synth engine with 3 very basic envelopes and an analog 2 track sequencer . They're completely different machines.

[@keithlane4705]

lol @ midi swing, that's just made up right ? does anything have "midi" swing ?

[@speed0]

I've found that swing is often not passed through over midi in my experience as well.

[@lesterfalcon1350]

A shame a swing knob wasn't one of the extra functions that Behringer added to differentiate the unit.

[@jm6734]

@@lesterfalcon1350 totally agree. With the limited sequencer onboard swing would’ve made a big difference as a drum machine

[@lesterfalcon1350]

@@jm6734 Swing and 16 steps would have taken this to another level. One where people would be buying it for the sequencer alone.

[@joshbosworth6207]

For $200 ... what a banger. Will make quick buds w my Crave.

[@clivemathieu9386]

Midi swing = ERM MULTICLOCK

[@fruduroc]

Thank you ! And could you tell me if the midi of Edge offers the possibility to play any of the 8 steps separatly as the MAFD adapter do on the DFAM ? Like we see in this demo, kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmiyZJKboKp8bbs

[@mu0p]

This is all I wanted, at the moment I don't think its a possibility. Let me know if you ever hear anything different

[@fruduroc]

@@mu0p Hello, the only solution I found for dfam/edge is one of these external processor like the one I posted or this one which is even more specific, kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5S8qJ6Ima6ipcksi=ecODiURHjLy7inzx it exists in a case module or eurorack module. It can do very nice things but unfortunately it's more expensive than the Edge...

[@karlosdean1650]

Have you found any information on this? I hope they release an update soon that will allow individual steps to be played

[@RollrightKnights]

Is it eurorackable ?

[@lesterfalcon1350]

No

[@derkernspalter]

No

[@THEREALDATALORD]

Its a 60hp 4U and not a 3U. I'm making a 3D printable bracket if you have a 4U eurorack custom case.