Behringer Model D...I was WRONG (Behringer Model D vs Moog)

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All music created on Behringer Model D by me
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Alright, in a previous episode of Thoughts On I spoke about my experience with Moog synthesizers, and my experience with Behringer, both as a company, their failings and what's in a name. I will gladly state that in the short term I WAS WRONG. The Behringer Model D is a quality piece, Behringer has come a very very long way. While there are some who still will buy a genuine Moog, and not a Behringer I realize that the difference on the surface is something a company attempting to make a clone can be proud of.
This is purely a second look at an inanimate piece of hardware. IF YOU PLAN TO ARGUE THE ETHICS OF BEHRINGER OR YOU HAVE TRIBALISM...WELL...that’s not what this is about, this is correcting my own poor preconceived notion.
I don't like to present myself as someone who knows it all, I'm a musician just like you all. This is why I end all Thoughts On videos by saying "I don't have these answers". My way of saying, make up your own minds. THAT SAID, if in anyway I came across as someone who poo-poo'd Behringers recreation I WAS WRONG. Most people don't understand subjective opinion, and while that's what this channel is about, I realize that the way in which I say things can be misinterpreted for fact, and that's where I'd like to state I made a mistake.
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[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I’m not afraid to say when what I’ve said may be easily misinterpreted. Don’t assume intent, no one can read minds. That’s why at the end of every Thoughts On video I say “I don’t have these answers”, which means make up your own mind. Choose what you like, there’s no right or wrong answer, if you think there is remember, experiences are subjective. 🤗

[@humanbeing_]

I just purchased my Behringer Model D yesterday. My very first piece of gear and my first Analogue Synth! Now I’ve been producing Drum & Bass for 17 years but only got into Analogue Synths within the last year and it’s reinvigorated my drive to make music. Next looking to get the Neutron, MS-1, and then a Grandmother! Great video!

[@behringer]

We love Bob Moog, and we love seeing young synthesists getting an opportunity they otherwise would never have had to own some of the best synths ever created. :)

[@CameronClarkeOG]

this young synthesist would sure love to own a prophet 5 hint hint :):):):):):)

[@josephvanellenberg749]

Have a your Model D, it is an amazing piece of kit. Let’s get those Eurorack modules going!

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Hi Behringer, thanks for stopping by. Hopefully a very affordable Eurorack case is on the way, that would be very helpful to get many beginners started on their Eurorack journey. Thank you :)

[@MannequinOngaku]

BEHRINGER you guys are killing it! I own the behringer model d and i absolutely love it. Can’t wait for the 909

[@djcvmusic1]

Hope a Vsti software integration and presets manager for it like an access virus

[@nasound42]

Politicians could learn a lot from this video

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Well, admitting you’re wrong is healthy right? 😊

[@nasound42]

@@NoirEtBlancVie 100%

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

9teen8efore you’re not wrong, I’m in no way perfect and truly when I made that first video I didn’t do a good job in stating that I was a subjective opinion for a biased person. I took that original video to the point of making politically based statements and I apologize. That was not my aim, I needed to make this video to clearly state that I’m just a guy who doesn’t know best. Mistakes happen, I admit mine. I’m sorry if that original video misled or judged without stating where I stood.

[@dantedt3931]

Underrated comment

[@TheMirolab]

It's too bad politicians don't learn.......

[@sampleexamplemusic]

ugh i'm tired of the hashing out. affordable analog synths kills elitism that poisons an otherwise wonderful community, and makes music accessible to everyone, so lets just stop this argument for good, please.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I agree, let people buy what they want to buy without the judgement. If anyone gets upset cause you buy one over the other it’s their problem, right? Just make music with the tools you enjoy regardless of how much it cost or the name on the rear panel :)

[@Francisco12G]

This comment should be on top! the truth right here. People get stuck in this. You cannot buy talent. Its not the tools its the carpenter!

[@XanderEwald]

Serum is like 10 bucks a month, so everyone can make music if they want to. I don’t see any elitism here.

[@jumpingman8160]

@@XanderEwald Why am I not surprised finding you here? Have you sold your Roland yet 🤣

[@brmbkl]

@@NoirEtBlancVie moog has affordable synths, and there is the secondhand pages. cheap crap contributes to a non-sustainable future. but who cares what anyone does? yay - individualism!

[@sidneybarrett8941]

I bought my MiniMoog in 1974 - I've had it recapped twice, still use it, and will never let it go. That said, I am forced to admit that no one in the audience can tell the difference between the original and my Behringer Model D. Add a little FX, and no one can tell them apart on a recording either.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

100% true! The day someone that isn’t a heavy synth person says, “that sounds like a genuine Moog right there” I’ll eat my hat 🧢😁

[@DarthKross]

Effects like what? I'm getting my hands on one to play/record on and I've been wondering what to do to accomplish that

[@sidneybarrett8941]

A generous dollop of reverb, maybe a little echo (especially for solos.) Even an analog synth sounds a little artificial dry.

[@ronnie_astro]

@@DarthKrossChorus makes EVERY synth sound better, phatter and more warm! Also delay, reverb, and also phasers are good to experiment with.

[@DarthKross]

@@ronnie_astro Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to try those out

[@infindebula]

If Moog had brought out a Model D in this form factor (i.e. Mother-32 style skiff) for under $1000, I would have purchased it instead of the Boog. Instead their reissue was a premium, luxury monosynth that was priced out of reach of most people. Its primary competition was Voyagers and vintage Minimoogs. You could literally buy 10 Behringer Model D synths for the price of Moog’s reissue. So I bought a Boog on impulse and was very pleasantly surprised with its quality and amazing sound - so much so that I went on to get a Neutron, Pro-1, RD-8 and a VC340. Now I’m eyeballing The Cat and their modular stuff, and I’m excited about their future products. Moog’s failure to compete in this segment cost them a lot of potential profit, and allowed Behringer to gain momentum with their synth clones.

[@MisterRorschach90]

Moog doesn’t survive on selling to people like us. They survive on selling to people who own Grammys, who own recording studios worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It’s the whole boutique aesthetic. Like the dumble amp. I can go buy a clone that sounds 99.99999999999% the same for a couple hundred dollars. Or I can spend 250-500k on the real thing. People like us buy the clones. People with platinum albums either made or produced buy the reissues, and really only if they don’t want to deal with upkeep on a vintage unit, or no vintage units are available. Basically moog reissue isn’t meant for us. They aren’t losing profit. If they sold cheap versions of the reissues that’s how they would lose profit. The parts are extremely expensive, and a lot of the times not even in production anymore. If you could buy a real moog system 10 for a normal price 1-4k like other synths, then it would destroy the market they’ve created for reissues and vintage moog. Not only that it wouldn’t be the same synth, and that would hurt their reputation to sell a synth that is supposed to be a recreation of something everybody loves, and it isn’t actually a recreation. Studios and musicians wouldn’t buy the new versions, only vintage. It’s just a bad situation all around. Though I will admit, I’m no expert and I might be wrong.

[@jacobbrown1690]

Moog isn’t hurting lol. The boog has some issues. The boog poly d is way better. But I have two little phatties so I really don’t need more moog types with no presets. I did buy a deepmind 12. Then an asm hydrasynth

[@logicalblackman8228]

That wasn’t the point. Moog already made the Little Phatty and Slim Phatty for even cheaper.

[@infindebula]

@@logicalblackman8228 even cheaper than what? Those Moogs were more than double the price of the Behringer D.

[@logicalblackman8228]

@@jacobbrown1690 If you want presets, Moogs aren’t for you.

[@johnkennedy5612]

I love this. It takes a lot to come back to one of your own videos and admit you were wrong. Most others would have just quietly deleted and moved on. Huge respect man.

[@surrealchemist]

"is the Behringer model a steal" this line has more meaning now. hah

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I want to reply to this comment in a funny way, but I don’t want to get sued.😬

[@marcokarpowitsch3726]

Wasn't expecting this almost choked on my cornflakes 11/10

[@ultralife73]

@@NoirEtBlancVie Fear is an excellent advisor.

[@Cat-Daddy]

As a Behringer D owner, it's not just a steal, Moog should be paying them 😂

[@Hordes_Of_Nebulah]

Got my model D today and I am very impressed, definitely holds up against a Moog. I don't actually own a Moog but my office is right down the street from their headquarters and I grew up in the area so I've had plenty of playtime with the demos there and I can say I am familiar enough with their sounds to say with confidence that Behringer is on to something great with this! I'm getting the Neutron next because it looks awesome.

[@DEADLINETV]

Great of you for coming back on this! More honesty like this would be great on the interwebs!

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Thanks man, glad to see you here. It was a weird one.

[@DEADLINETV]

You just keep on doing what you do! @@NoirEtBlancVie

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

:)

[@FishfaceFP]

Takes a big man to admit they were wrong, reeeeeeeespec'👊

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Thank you. I’m not too big to speak the truth haha

[@FishfaceFP]

@@NoirEtBlancVie what confuses me is that people are always down on Behringer for "copying" historical circuits but when people design a eu module based on a similar circuit it is accepted without batting an eyelid. To me seems Behringer are making enourmous efforts in synths and the Neutron and Crave are very much their own. For sure the history / image hasn't got the kudos of sequential, roland, moog et al but at least they are doing something to give consumers and enthusiasts an affordable way in to music and that has to be applauded.

[@flootymcdootymanooty9145]

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge

[@jefdamen2977]

Damn Namm is making me crave a new rave machine!

[@SvintMvrcus]

Agreed 🙏🏽

[@eventhorizon1414]

I'm Korean and there are few new Minimoog Model D Reissue on sale in Korea.. Recently I bought a Minimoog Model D. However, note B on the keyboard did not sound. I immediately requested a replacement and looked at the new product, but this time the screw holding the pitch bend was loosened. Is this quality justified by selling it at a much higher price than the production cost? Since then I've lost my trust in the Minimoog and I'm going to buy a Behringer Model D today. The original budget will be spent on Sequential Prophet-10

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I don’t blame you!

[@matiasmoulin2126]

I'm coming from the guitar world, which surely is a much bigger industry and may work differently, but it's always been far less elitist. Take as best example the Fender Stratocaster which has been copied and cloned by so many manufacturers since it's invention. Fender themselves still exist and produce their original high end guitars (made in USA) as well as mid range and also low end models (made in Mexico or Indonesia) and amps and whatnot since the 90s or earlier and nobody ever cared as far as I know. The usual approach as a kid with no money was to buy a 300$ copy, because it was more important to actually own a guitar and to rock out than having a 3000$ peace of gear. Later when the jobs and the money came we got dissatisfied with the copy and bought the real deal (which by the way is still kind of midrange because same here: only rich people can afford the "real" vintage models). My point is: copies make the gear affordable for musicians who want to play but that doesn't mean that the high end products will disappear because there are always people who are willing to pay more for better quality and, well, prestige. But I know of no KZbin video where people discussing if the 300$ Stratocaster sounds exactly the same like the 10'000$ vintage original (the guitar problems are of a different kind). The world is changing, the market is changing and clever companies like Behringer take the opportunity. Other companies like Korg or Roland do something about that but in my opinion, they kind of miss the point - or they don't really care, like Korg recreating the elitist version of the ARP2600 instead of a mini version, meanwhile Behringer listens to that call, what can we say here... I think this all would be less fuss if more companies did it like Fender: produce their own cheap copies.

[@riseofthemachine2623]

Very well said! I am a proud owner of both the Behringer D and the Minimoog Model D. I'm so happy to know that the Minimoog sound is available to almost everyone now :)

[@Riktenstein]

Well said. I've been in this game for 20 years and I never would have said in 2019, Behringer are going to start really nailing it.

[@Goettel]

Elitist synth folk rarely if ever make anything worth listening to anyway, screw 'em. Behringer is golden, and has been since at least the MX2642 back in the day. I'll take the Neutron over the Model D any day, but both are remarkable pieces of gear for chump change.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

You’re not wrong, the point of this video was to hopefully stop this back and forth. As I stated, wanting something expensive doesn’t make you an elitist, and wanting something cheap doesn’t make you a cheapskate, or someone who doesn’t care for quality. It’s simply a choice, and I’m not polarized in anyway. I realize people can make two opposite decisions and still love synthesis. Comments on the 1st video were so unfortunate. People criticizing one another for their choice of synth. Just make music with whatever the tool, all these instruments have different features, pic the one with the features you like and that you can afford. That’s all I wanted to make clear :)

[@michaelt_tamtam]

I agree. I first got the IK UNO, then just this month upgraded to the Neutron and it was the price point that got me to consider getting into synths in the first place. Behringer's my new hero

[@jefdamen2977]

Purists have harder lives, u need to let them vent from time to time...

[@brmbkl]

I agree that young hungry artists make better songs, but what rubs me wrong is not the musician with cheap tools, but the large manufacturer acting like he's the victim. so for me at least, it's not a question which musician (the one with money or without) is the moral one, but which manufacturer. (much like how you don't blame the fat guy, but mcdonalds or coke for profiting and pretending)

[@70zenboy]

I have the neutron and it sounds bloody fantastic. Would Happily buy a d or any other behringer gear. Yes they are a lot better at quality control now. When i first started playing guitar. I wanted a fender or a Gibson. Only with experience did I realise that it’s not always the tool it’s the craftsman. Good music can be made on anything if you are passionate enough. If my neutron offends you Moog or oberheim purists then too bad. Get over it.

[@solaariz]

Never really got the whole “clone” controversy. Companies like Arturia have been doing software emulations of famous synths for years. It’s like the fact that Behringer made hardware clones people got bent out of shape. These things are incredible, just got my Pro 1 today my Model D & Neutron are incredible also. Waiting for that 2600 and hopefully one day a Quadra .

[@RunFaster011]

After NAMM this year it's clear that Behringer has been set to take the Synth world by storm. It's a great time to be a Synthesizer fan, the coming years are going to be fun, as I'm sure Behringer's recent releases will spur come more awesome & innovative products to be developed the other big synth companies.

[@PeresD]

Most of berhinger’s synths are now designed in the U.K. They are built in China to strict specifications , no slacking on quality control.

[@AttilaSVK]

I'm not a professional musician to be able to invest loads of money into gear. I wish I could, but honestly, the only Moog product I could afford at the moment is the Werkstatt-01 and I might buy one just to support Moog Music, as they do deserve it. The Behringer Model D has allowed me to take home the iconic sound of a Minimoog I've been wanting since 2005 or so, when I tried one in a music instrument shop. Also, the difference in price between "Synth XYZ" and its Behringer clone is enough for me to buy the Behringer one, maybe except for the Swing vs the Arturia Keystep.

[@Berus7777]

I love that, at the time of this video, the price of a MiniMoog was only $3500.00 Have a look on Reverb now - you'll pay about $7,000.00 for Very Good condition, up to about $11,000.00 for an unsold new one.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Now you can get a brand new one for $5000, what a deal LOL

[@BetamaxFlippy]

You got a good one, mine can't keep the tuning and the key tracking is horrible.

[@connormoroney1305]

I can add an explanation of how they got it smaller than the original. 40 years later, components have shrunk and tolerances have gotten smaller, making it easier to make such a device.

[@freshness757]

Leaving Guitar Center with one in hand. They had them brand new at $227.99 until 12/11/19. I’m in the Raliegh/Durham area. I don’t know if it the price is the same online but I couldn’t say no.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Yeah, I saw the crazy price drop, at under $230, no brainer!

[@freshness757]

Noir Et Blanc Vie Yep had to. Alto music has them for $208.00 and the price is honored online for those interested on getting one on GC online.

[@homeworldmusic]

Man, this is an impeccable review. I wish you all the best, thank you for this.

[@NONFamers]

I do have a couple of Moog synthesizers, and I am contemplating buying a third one soon. I also have a Model D and appreciate the fact that even if it is subtly different from the Moog synths, it does speak the same language. If I think of a particular sound I want, I can receate it on either of them. BTW, Behringer build quality wasn't always that great. I had a stereo compressor with a poorly mounted mains transformer - Its casing emitted an annoying, audible hum which I only discovered when I converted my studio to balanced signal lines. I thought it was something in the signal chain. Thanks for sharing.

[@akhatibi2602]

I had one for a month, it sounded great, but the midi over usb was very finicky and always cut out. Had to return

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

That’s so unfortunate

[@leftmono1016]

A Khatibi - just for balance mine’s been fine over USB. I’ve got other things connected via USB and sometimes they disappear but the Model D is constant. In my humble experience USB issues have always been computer related.

[@grandmasterjo1]

Saying I’m wrong only enhances self esteem. 👍 Being a Moog user and having the highest regards and respect for a genius and a gentleman Dr. Bob Moog, I asked Moog for permission if I could buy the Behringer Model D. The reply, it does not matter what you use to make great music. Wow

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Exactly. I was talking with Dave Smith at NAMM and I think most people think that the creators of the originals are upset about these so called “attack of the clones” but honestly they just want people to enjoy their instruments. Funny how the users in the comments care more about this than the people who originated these designs, right? Thanks for this :)

[@jefdamen2977]

It's a great move from Behringer, since the industry is kinda fucked, prices need to come down to give young people easier access to technology which is also fun and very learnfull. It stimulates the mind on another level, u gain important deduction, logical skills and basic computer techniques which can give u the edge when u learn them from young age. Music forms your mind and increases self identity because u can create something that is you. Stay humble and open is the best way to go the furthest in life.

[@grandmasterjo1]

Jef Damen 👍👍👍. Behringer actually gives you the best value for $. And the range just keeps increasing.

[@MisAnnThorpe]

@@NoirEtBlancVie : In my experience, synthesizer enthusiasts are some of the biggest snobs you're ever likely to have the misfortune of encountering. Many of them seem to find it more important to be seen to have the "right" instruments rather than be heard to make the right noises/sounds. Korg Polysix, MS10, ARP Avatar, Axxe, "ARP" (Korg) Odyssey, Moog Multimoog, Roland SH-1, Teisco 60f..................

[@higgy7762]

​@@NoirEtBlancVie The creators of the originals are quite smart ... the 'entry level clones' create future customers for their high value synths. A young student who was able to start on a 'budget' clone may eventually develop the desire to get the 'real thing' one day...

[@CinematicLaboratory]

Got my model D a few weeks ago. It has 'bargain' all over it, and since a(ny) Moog sounds best with reverb, nobody will hear the difference in Valhalla. Not a clone? Not a recreation? Agreed. You can also get the exact same time from a fake Rolex. A real one makes you feel different :).

[@shane_l8085]

I've never owned any Beringer products but I'll be quite interested in their EMS Synthi clone (if that rumour is correct)

[@johnh.8055]

Wow. Excellent channel. Such a concise and well spoken presenter. You have my subscription.

[@McSynth]

Excellent video. I've owned a 1972 Mini since 1978. I wouldn't dare gig it now - too fragile. I've also just bought a Behringer Model D. I'm still stunned by the concept and the delivery, and I won't even comment on the sound of the machine other than to say that I can't tell the difference. What I can do however, is now take my 'Moog' back out for gigging purposes without having to have paramedics and a hairdryer on standby. Best wishes to all at Moog - but I reserve the right to embrace Behringer kit on the basis that they're not just imitating, but they're adding to the legacy. Very generously. How about that Model T Ford ? Folks tell me that there's a Model T with fancy braking, weatherproofing - and some gadget that tells you how to get where you want to go. Fuck me..and some flashing lights for when you want to round a corner ???? Oh Henry, I so hope that you're not offended by the passage of time, and the exponential march of tech progress.... Uli..word fail me. Ignore the naysayers. thank you.

[@cellrok]

I like the Model D but i am looking over at the Subsequent 37 and i just love the sound of it a lot better. And it is Moog... but over 1k for a mono that growls a tiny bit better is a hard sale. Maybe i should just bite in or just work more with and on the Model D... i had two by the way and the were both equal in quality, despite one being from an earlier batch. As for quality, check out the Neutron if you haven't. It also is a solid piece and i love it.

[@bond4177]

Well, you also get a Mod section and patch memory. And keys.

[@edrosa3485]

Honestly as a Behringer Model D owner I thought your original video was very measured. In the very few years I've been into synths I know the Moog name well, but mostly out of my financial reach. Your right that at present the name Behringer carries no value, but they are working hard to change that. Looking at the NAAM 2019 coverage I've clicked on most of the videos with Behringer in the title.

[@kevgh3869]

Where can you find a Mini Moog for $3500.00?

[@guillermoazurdia]

What’s your opinion on the deepmind 12 or six?

[@JKC40]

I'd like to point out that you don't need the loopback cable to get filter feedback on the Behringer D... if EXT IN is on with nothing plugged in, it loops back automatically.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Haha, I’ve heard. Look at me treating it like an OG Model D. Behringer, knew what to do!

[@JKC40]

@@NoirEtBlancVie yep, i did the same thing when i first got it, then read the manual on something unrelated and was like... huh...

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Really appreciate that man!

[@SisterRose]

For someone on a severe budget looking to throw in some Moog/Ladder Filter tones, would you recommend this or syncing up the Crave with another synth run through it's filter? The portable size of the Crave is appealing, though if we could get a Volca form factor with a ladder filter that'd be amazing. I got kind of obsessed with some old Mort Garson sounds and realised a lot of the tones he uses are actually very simple given they were mostly done on modular Moogs, I've definitely heard similar ones in demos for other ladder filter synths.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Why not just go with the Crave as-is? Like it’s a good sounding synth all by itself, I’ll be honest, the less the better in my world. Don’t get too fancy with it, Moog is honestly missing out the most by not just making a damn official Moog Eurorack module. Like, we all know I’m a Moog fan, but sometimes they create a world where it feels like they’re forcing you into buying a whole Mother 32 just to get the filter you want. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@SisterRose]

@@NoirEtBlancVie yeah they really let berhginer slide in that niche with the Boog. I saw Jade Wii's vid on it. Given how expensive most eurorack stuff is it's a no brainer in that case. Moog's "modular" stuff tends to be mind of weird.

[@andivax]

Model D sounds amazing. Just controls is flimsy and no presets. So I've got Moog Subphatty

[@jozacmusic8632]

Hey I had A Benringer Mixer 16 years Behringer is to be Recon with....

[@hudu]

Very cool to publicly own up to a "mistake" like that. Respect. I do love that Moog is employee-owned, and if I could afford one, that would be a big part of my decision making process for buying one. Until then, I really like my Model D.

[@biggrime]

Great video. Appreciate you taking the time

[@lundsweden]

I have and love the Model D, always wanted a Minimoog, but by the time I came of age were very rare and expensive (music gear has always been more expensive in Australia, for some reason, especially 2nd hand unit). I admire the Moog company, its history quality and innovation. For hobbyist musician, a several thousand dollar synth just does not make sense. Maybe if I became wealthy, or if I was a pro musician I would buy a Moog in a heartbeat. Remember that a lot of budget gear in the past became classic, like the Juno 106, Oberheim Matrix 1000, Roland 303, 626 even stuff like the Korg Poly 800. Some people laughed back then, but who's laughing now? Of course some mega expensive stuff from back in the day also became classic gear, from the Roland Jupiter, Moog Multimoog, hell even the Yamaha DX7 and Roland D50 were pretty pricey when new!

[@ImaginationBlue]

Your videos are so cool brother. Love the visual style. Great presentation too.

[@iSapien1956672]

I passed up the opportunity in 1998 to buy a Minimiog at second hand tunes for $600, so when this came Out I jumped and am super happy with it.

[@lithominium9955]

Sad story with a happy ending

[@seangarland]

Love the video, and your channel. I’ve gotten away from Hardware synths, but it’s good to know your thoughts on this synth if I ever go back.

[@emiliopalazzolo894]

I'm looking for a L'imperatrice kind of bass sound (they use a Moog Minitaur). Do you think I could get the same results with the Berhinger D? I know having another oscillator means more "fattness" but i still hear the minitaur sounds different and unique. Maybe people that have tried both could help? Thanks :)

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

The Minitaur has a very unique sound, I owned one for a while and if you can enjoy the interface then I prefer the Minitaur sound to the Model D. The interface on the Model D is better. That said, you seem more concerned about bass sounds alone, so I’d say Minitaur, though either will get you close. :)

[@emiliopalazzolo894]

@@NoirEtBlancVie Thank you, and thank you for you content!

[@Deeplycloseted435]

I’m not a Moog guy....never have been. I’ve always preferred the sounds of SH-2, Pro One, or especially the Arp Odyssey. I have all three. BUT, I did get a Behringer D, and must admit, that it can sound fantastic, and rounds out my mono analog collection quite nicely. For people like me, who love analog, but aren’t in love with buying a $3000 Moog, its a great synth to have on hand. I love the HI/LO outputs so you can run it straight into guitar pedals without impedance mismatch. The tiny knobs and resolution of those knobs aren’t great, but for my uses, it works well. And I LOVE, that a kid can get an amazing sounding analog synth for Xmas or a birthday present. Its such a good thing for synth heads and electronic music in general, making the instruments accessible to future generations. Good on you for admitting you were wrong. As far as how long these will last, only time will tell, but as far as sound goes, they keep nailing it.

[@SidJ8300]

I agree with you. I read so many comments where Moog owners tend to throw Behringer out of the window. There is no denying the fact that original Moog is a class apart but the point here is making it affordable and providing majority of the flavour at one-tenth of the price .. 😊😊

[@TorstenSommer-c3p]

What i like about the Boog is, that you can use it (through its patchfield) as a full voice for a modular synth. And if you own the Korg MS20 Mini you can use it as the Boog and the MS20 Mini both have micro jacks) wih the MS20 Mini.

[@joevittali-ross1871]

Really good to see a retrospective review. This is well thought out, and an important aspect to gear use.

[@SiMills]

I got a Behringer Uphoria 404 audio interface for a gig last year and I got to say, for £85 it’s amazing build quality, sound quality and reliability. I use it for a second setup daily.

[@HzofArt]

Thanks for the honesty homie

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Absolutely, my pleasure!

[@datenight9342]

your thoughts on the 1000 synths just announced and 10000 synths coming in the next few year for the Big B?

[@girlinagale]

I use two Moog Mother 32's and got a Behringer D because it has a really different timbre. Sounds fabulous in recordings total benefit.

[@jippalippa]

I love the minimoog sound and I want something that sounds like it, and the behringer sounds like a no brainer... That said I’m not exactly young and with time I started to appreciate finer things, not necessarily focusing solely on budget. I’d like to buy something a bit more durable, and high quality, a nice piece of hardware that would last years, therefore I was looking at the moog mother 32 paired with a decent reverb module. what I’m disapointed with is the lack of variety in waveforms for the mother 32; for example there’s no trianlge wave to create mellow flute leads... What do you think about this matter? Thanks

[@girlinagale]

@@jippalippa I agree the Mother 32 is quite limited in timbres, what it does do it does very well. The Beringer D is more open with timbres and 3 osc which can be sub osc.

[@denmartos6019]

It takes allot for a person too admit that they are wrong. But, to do it with a positive attitude without putting down either companies is truly commendable. As always, great job.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Thank you Den, I tried to do my best, picking sides when it comes to something like a synth, I just don’t see the point :)

[@billyates9970]

I have $300 to buy a synth. What would do recommend? A Behringer model d or Artuia Microfreak?

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Microfreak, behringer is a one trick pony

[@billyates9970]

Thanks I appreciate the advice. I was leaning towards the Microfreak. I’m on a bit of a analog kick right now but it would be hard to choose 1 voice over 4 voices.

[@float_sam]

I got a UHD, and I have to say great interface for its price feature set, zero problems and absolute quality feel for a USB interface. Behringer has been knocking out the park on the BUDGET/Home Studio level.

[@judclark7376]

Behringer got top notch analog engineers when they acquired Midas so you could say they really have been at the analog game for a long time.

[@johncougar526]

You are forgiven for your assumptions about build quality on Uli’s gear. I, for one, have quite a few of his earlier gadgets, and have seen the downside of some of their sketchy QC, having had some units fail. But this synth gear they’re making is something else, and I’m keen to keep exploring both Behringer AND Moog for their 21st Century offerings based on late 20th Century technology. Inspired design. Great sound.

[@brettmarshalltweaksource]

Respect! I completely agree with your position. Behringer is making, in their words, "modern iterations" of classic gear. They add functionality and usability at a low price point. Moog isn't losing a sale if I buy a Behringer D. I was never going to buy the Moog anyway.

[@stevenlebeau]

Totally agree with the sentiment of the video. Also, it's worth noting that some of the best synthpop of the 80s was made with what were, at the time, VERY cheap synths. If this leads some people with less income--some future synth genius--to get access to this kind of gear, I think that's fantastic. You can create just as great of a song with a Model D as you can with a Minimoog...

[@morrisgabo8585]

how would this compare to the mother 32 or the subharmonicon?

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Morris Gabo in comparison the M32 is boring...and I bought 2 of them when they first came out. That said though they’re totally different.

[@pointsurrender]

I've owned two Neutrons and both had flawless build quality. In fact, their build quality was superior to my other synths which cost 4x more. Behringer has become a force to be reckoned with.

[@iNuchalHead]

Seriously. The Crave looks like the Best-in-Show at NAMM in terms of price\performance. All the new digital stuff is nice, but that little semi-modular sounds so smoove.

[@pointsurrender]

@@iNuchalHead It's all about the classic analog components. They're classic for a reason.

[@fretnoize]

The Neutron is such a good deal, if you're modular curious it's a must have. I can't recommend it enough. (put an extra pack of like 8 cables in your cart when you buy it, you get some, but you'll want some more)

[@ssmith2019]

Great Vid Noir ! ! ! I always appreciate your content !

[@ME-ru4hv]

Nice patch! (as I'm watching) the "bug" I didn't like on the 1st reissue was inability to match or sync the waves exactly from the vibrato lfo and the osc in lfo mode. e.g. the duty cycles of the squares are just different

[@dhollsynthmusic]

I have a Behringer Model D and have played a Minimoog: the real deal is deffo a bit fatter, has more presence. But not 10 times your budget more, so I was quite happy with spending the relatively small money for the almost-there Boog. And I also got the Neutron haha - personally I wasn't too taken with the DeepMind, I felt it relied on saturated-FX too much, but Behringer's monosynths are very good indeed. Recommended. Well done, Behringer, and nice one Noir for the video.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Thank you!

[@smartwerker]

I support Moog and Sequential. US companies

[@marvelous-1960]

why am i just finding this channel?! this is good content!

[@buddikus]

I just asked myself the same question

[@pigknickers2975]

Excellent video. I've got Moog and Behringer. This is a great time for us I think. The 303MO slays me.

[@macdaddy52]

Moog in no longer employee owned InMusic has bought Moog and bought out the employees. What is going to happen now?

[@Emustall]

It takes a big man. That did sound really good and make me more curious. I'm used to the questionable Behringer quality so... well done, Sir.

[@thedeepblueskys]

I just went up to Guitar Center near my house to see what they had on display, and they had one of these on sale for $250. I was so pleased to see the price even though I really don’t want one. I have a grandmother, dfam, and mother 32 setup that satisfies my mono itch, but if I didn’t have this Moog set up I’d be all over the Behringer Model D for the price. Deepmind 12R has my attention still. Really looking forward to what Behringer comes up with In years to come. Like there 808, 909 clones. I want more polys by them though. I agree build needs to be focused on. Over all Behringer has a foot in the door. Model D clone is not bad at all! My ramble is over...lol

[@jippalippa]

Can a mother 32 or a grandmother, in your experience, do let’s say...80% of what a boog does in emulating a minimoog? I have started to appreictae finer things in life, so I’m aiming at a better quality piece of kit (in this case an original moog), with a bit more prestige. My budget can afford me a grandmother + decent reverb or a mother 32 + decent reverb + decent delay + midi keyboard. I’m mostly interested in making berlin school style of music (like oldschool Tangerine Dream).

[@thedeepblueskys]

jippalippa I think a mother 32 or Grandmother both can accomplish most of your bass and lead needs. There really fun and worth the extra investment for sure. I can’t wait to get the Matriarch to complete my setup. The DFAM is super fun too.

[@phillytee9106]

The only thing with Behringer synths like the Model D is are they still gonna be around in 40 years time, as in is the build quality up to the test of time. I've seen demo models of the Deepmind synths look very shabby after a few months in my local music store, the slider caps had fallen off and the keys were looking a bit wonky. When I demoed the Behringer Model D I noticed the switches were cheaply made and the thing was quite hard to tune. It is with all hardware about getting what you pay for, the Behringers synths are cheaper because they are cutting corners somewhere along the production line. As long as you are prepared for them maybe not to last as long, then they are a good way to get your hands on a alternative to something that would cost a lot more otherwise.

[@craigbrowning9448]

Possibly smaller components (I haven't poked inside mine) but smaller (Sized) Capacitors, 1/8 Watt Resistors, Multilevel Circuit Boards, the external Power Supply, are all factors that can make a unit smaller. I have more of an Organ background than a Synth background, however I have been in the process of putting together a small Synthesizer setup, geared more towards Live/Real Time Performance.

[@chriswoolf1491]

Great explanation of why you believed what you did at the time and why you now believe those thoughts were wrong. 10/10 would watch you correct yourself again.

[@JeffreyBurtonYT]

Okay, I didn't want to weigh in on this but I have to. The R&D on wave form synthesis was pretty much over by the end of the 70s. While I appreciate Bob Moog's genius I don't think ANYTHING justifies a 1000% markup which is the $$$ difference between a Minimoog Model D and a Behringer Model D. I don't care how many smiling faces make them in their American factory. The fact is Moog could've and probably should've kept their prices to some sort of sane level. Maybe they wouldn't be a 'statement piece' but there would be many more people who could AFFORD to experiment with wave form synthesizers. I'm damn glad Arturia, Korg and Behinger are making affordable FM synths and don't understand anybody who isn't. End of rant.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I agree with you, and I attempt to not get too involved in the politics of it all because it’s just gear to me, and honestly if anyone has watched the channel over time they can see that I’ve moved so far from gear at this point. I see every synth as just a tool, and I have for years now, it’s really hard to stay passionate about a hammer, but I’m still excited for the house the hammer can build. Like they say though, the easiest way to be hated is to have an opinion and here we are hahaha. I’m glad that so many people can afford synths they like, but me, I’m just a guy, I don’t know the actual margins, the real cost, I have no real figures on paper, only speculation. I can admit that and I don’t like speaking on things I don’t know for absolute truths, but I do know that Behringer is shaking things up regardless of how we slice it, and shaking things up is a good thing for everyone. :)

[@PerryCodes]

I spent a couple hours on a Behringer Model D this evening - at the Guitar Center in Peoria, IL. While I've never played a real Moog Model D and can't say whether it sounded "exact" ... but it sounded good. I, however, disagree with the build quality. There was a Neutron right next to it... which did have a solid feel to it. I was impressed with the Neutron. The Model D did not have a solid feel to it. Was this because of the hundreds of "Guitar Center" fingers that constantly twisted knobs? Possibly "abusively"?? Maybe. But I would also expect the same use to eventually add up after enough time with this. Not impressed with this one.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

This is a fair judgement, well said!

[@PerryCodes]

I should have mentioned two things in particular, because they were what mostly influenced my comment. 1. It was light. Very light... 2. The multi-position knobs didn't have that solid "clunk" that I'm used to with these type of knobs. Also, in the extreme positions, it gave a little bit of some extra movement. Here's where I feel you'll simply be getting better components on more expensive gear. Better enough to justify a 1000% increase in cost? Not hardly! Hopefully these synths cause enough disruption that the big boys come down off their big horses and price their gear more realistically. Dave... That means you!

[@theRiver_joan]

Wow, I had no idea Moog was owned by its employees. As an AnCom, that really warms my heart.

[@anders671]

Yes, man! Just YES!

[@jiraiyasdiary9147]

"The behringer name just doesn't hold as much weight as moog" he explained to the girl in the club who was enjoying the DJ who was in fact using a behringer

[@jppagetoo]

Two years later. Behringer has brought many many syths to market. They are a major player, They have allowed hobbyist musicians into the party.

[@synriser6742]

Use the synth you like and enjoy and one you can afford. We are spoiled these days. So much to choose from. I have the Behringer Model D and it sounds good. What if Behringer made a synth with another company name at a low cost?

[@gigngamer]

i had it for 180 euros how can you beat this? HOW TELL ME

[@MrBasic]

Cool! Glad to see your Patreon is up and running! 😃

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Riiiiight, we will see how it goes over I guess haha

[@dennisristow2102]

Kudos to you for positng a video like this. People take these things far too seriously and personally. I have Moog gear and Behringer gear. A Minitaur for bass, a Model D for thick leads, and a Sub Phatty for that hard Sync sound. Right tool for the job IMHO. Also glad to hear opinions from players that perform live and not just gear heads. I've played more shows than I can count, but I'm in my mid 50's now so I'm more interested in diving into sound scapes, than a couple do-everthing poly synths that can change sounds on the fly from piano, to organ, to strings, to pulse width and saw tooth leads. I've always had a couple old school analogs (Moog Prodigy/SCI P5 rev 3.3) but I never toured with them. They're too valuble, and they don't hold tune as well as a Korg Wavestation or a Kuzweil K2000, LOL. I'm new to Behringer so I don't have a background of their dodgy history regarding quality, but these new synths seem as good as my old Moog Prodigy, probably even better build quality to the Prodigy with low cost switches and very flimsy pots. I have a Model D, two Neutrons, and just got a Pro-1. Setting them on four midi channels, and hooking them up to my Roli Seaboard and I have my own poor mans four-voice where each key can pitch bend independently. It's a blast :) Thanks to Behringer for making something like this both possible and affordable.

[@bernardosilva7306]

I honestly think that we should be cherish about all music instrument companies. From the innovative but premium price ones (like Moog or Dave Smith) to the "economy of masses" ones like Behringer. It is funny that now a days people cherish a lot of innovation from Yamaha and Roland, but in the past they used to be the "affordable" options and A LOT of music was made on their machines that now a days are considered classics. The reality is: we need people that can and are wiling to afford expensive gear, because they are the ones that help companies innovate. But, we also need companies that create affordable gear to allow musicians to afford the tools they need to create music. We need both, competition is always good, and people should stop choosing "sides" and fight over it and just play and create music. The only "elitist" kind that is dumb are the ones that get angry with Behringer because their vintage gear went down in price. That is stupid, because clearly they don't care about music, they just care about money over their investment... And for all the haters that are dumb enough to argue that Behringer should be sued over copyright, remember that copyright expires. All those designs are old enough that their circuits are already public domain, and, the expiration of their copyright is actually a good thing because it allows other innovations to be made over them.

[@skylerhalemusic]

Do you think it would make a difference to have a Moog on a record as opposed to the Behringer model D?

[@sidneybarrett8941]

I own both - a 1974 MiniMoog and a new Behringer Model D - and no, once you add eq, reverb & effects, no one could tell them apart.

[@IrrationalExuberance]

I thought your original video on this was well-thought-out, but I can also appreciate a revisiting of the same topic to expand on it, and it's pretty commendable anytime someone is willing to admit "eh, maybe I was a little off-base before." I can't see why people would be pissed off about the original video, though. Oh wait, it's the internet.

[@sauce_aux]

I got the neutron on a whim, and I am quite pleased with it... surprised with behringer for sure !

[@BkuBrown]

My dad (sound engineer) told me to stay clear of behringer. This was 20 years ago. Time to change?

[@vinnien]

Great video, like all your videos. I love my model D and Neutron. Can't wait for the Crave and MS 101.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I’m interested in looking at the crave, they’re mass producing the puppies!

[@bca5251]

Awesome follow up. Always appreciate your point of view and how you state it.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Thank you, I appreciate you saying this!

[@VJFranzK]

What you say about Moog is true, and the new Berhringers are such a good value for the price. (I got to video some of the new ones recently! and was impressed.) Both POV's can coexist.

[@Fauxleroid]

I own a Moog Sub 37 and if I'm honest the build quality attention to detail is really not great.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Dang, I’m sorry to hear that :(

[@MrHarney]

Yes same for me re sub 37 got it on launch ..very disappointed with Moog on that one ..that made me rethink

[@mackmccord3743]

@@MrHarney neither one of you would feel that way if you had a Minimoog Model D. But Eye agree with you on the quality of the sub37

[@francisseidel8014]

As a non-professional, I cannot justify the price of a Minimoog but I love my Moog Grandmother. Takes me back to my Moog built Realistic MG-1 but with so much more capability and I don't miss the poly part, I have several polysynths. Moog is the best synthesizer for sound effects IMHO. That is something I use in both my day job and my music hobby. I also have a Behringer Odyssey because it takes me back the the ARP. Nothing bad to say about Behringer but I do like supporting the Moog company and community.

[@jacksonshelton8055]

I think there’s a new semi modular synth announced called the Crave- and also the Behringer MS-101 (Roland SH-101 clone) is now available for pre-order. That may be an interesting synth to review.

[@bulldogger1467]

Wait u saying Behringer is the Toyota of the synth world?? I am totally buying a behringer now

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

That’s exactly what I’m saying haha. They’re not boutique, they’re not luxury. They’ll get you from point A to point B reliably. So you understand thankfully. Others misinterpreted that as me saying they’re bad. Lol. Toyota’s has some of the most reliable cars ever, and even Toyota makes a luxury brand Lexus. It’s just about what people want to spend their money on, but honestly I’ll never make a video on Behringer again, the community on surrounding the topic either for or against is much too toxic. I don’t care what people buy, I buy Behringer I buy moog. I care so little and I wish people knew this 😂

[@SynthApprentice]

Okay, but this doesn't answer the most important question: where can I get a pair of those sunglasses? (Bonus points if they're prescription!)

[@josephf7306]

Man you got some crazy haters commenting up in here! WTF are these people?? If you're someone who gets angry/bitter about someone else's synth opinions you should re-eavulate your own life. Another great video here, man! Once again I found it helpful, and great production quality.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Haha Joseph, it’s crazy, I like to joke with them. Glad you recognize what’s going on, I just hope they’re happy in life

[@graxjpg]

I feel pretty differently about my impression of behringer over the years. As a company they’ve always had bang for the buck, build quality has always been good enough if you take care of it (plastic pedals too, for years and years.). I’m a guitar player, but my hardware synth setup consists of a DM12 and a Model D, with a keystep and a keylab. Great video!

[@chrisfriedman9455]

Went through two mx9000's. Mixers blew...

[@AshBashVids]

I have mine for about 3 years now, and still works perfectly. Also pretty happy with my B2600 and X32 rack mixer. That said, I am apprehensive of their business practices, and the toxicity of their cultish fans. Kinda puts me off from buying any more of their stuff.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Same. Love their stuff, I own a mixer and it’s been so solid for years, it’s the toxic fans and haters that ruin it. Even if I don’t need any of their synths, I understand why they’re loved.