Bein' Ian With Jordan Episode 065: Legal Dwarf W/ Kyle Dunnigan (Halloween Special)

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Bein' Ian with Jordan Podcast

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@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
Ian is filming his first special Sunday December 3rd at The Cutting Room in NYC - tix are at www.ianfidance.com and it’d be the best if you were there!! Go to his site to see him on the road coming up: Nov 3 Amityville Music Hall, Long Island Nov 17-18 Louisville Kentucky Nov 25-26 Pittsburgh Improv Ianfidance.com for all tickets See Jordan on the road! Jordanjensencomedy.com for all tickets to LA, Salt Lake City, Kansas City, and Vermont! Best way to support the show is through our patreon: patreon.com/beinianpod Thanks so much for rockin with us we love ya! BIWJ
@dakota3049
@dakota3049 Жыл бұрын
I never thought I’d see beetle juice as sexy, but Damn she pulled that off.
@John-mf1sz
@John-mf1sz 11 ай бұрын
I saw somebody get stabbed outside of the Pittsburgh Improv once, lol:
@leannmitan1533
@leannmitan1533 Жыл бұрын
"it's a hunk-a-hunk-a burnin' shit" really got me 🤣
@pucz8215
@pucz8215 Жыл бұрын
When I feel bad myself I put on this pod for 5 minutes to hear Jordan talk and i instantly feel better
@djcbal
@djcbal Жыл бұрын
Kyle and Jordan's argument: Did you choose to be born? Ian's argument: BUT I'M STILL CHOOSING TO BE ALIVE!?!?!?!
@FEENTHEMUSIC
@FEENTHEMUSIC Жыл бұрын
Sometimes Ian's "Elvis" impersonation looks like he's doing a Chris Farley impersonation. 💯 😂😂😂
@serenayflamenca
@serenayflamenca 8 ай бұрын
Jordan looks so happy and comfortable as Beetlejuice 😂😂😂😂
@cripplingclaustrophobia
@cripplingclaustrophobia Жыл бұрын
The skeleton made the best points in the no free will convo.
@Elducko05
@Elducko05 Жыл бұрын
15:28 i found it so wholesome when Jordan hands Kyle the little rat on the shitty and saying "That's my best friend" in the midst of all the chaos.
@JoannaSternbergYoutube
@JoannaSternbergYoutube Жыл бұрын
same. 🥹
@io.
@io. Жыл бұрын
lmfao ian as elvis is perfect. so funny. also this podcast may have the best intro video/music of all-time. weirdly nostalgic and wholesome.
@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
Ahh thank you thank you very much! - Elvisian
@saultrecktom
@saultrecktom Жыл бұрын
Couldn't stop looking at that hunka hunka bulge
@courtvandermade4242
@courtvandermade4242 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I will replay it.
@jessop-
@jessop- Жыл бұрын
Jordan as beetlejuice is worryingly hot
@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
Right!?
@TrashParadiseKing
@TrashParadiseKing Жыл бұрын
@@BeinIanPodIan just hook up with Jordan already!
@bossaudio12
@bossaudio12 Жыл бұрын
​@TrashParadiseKing the producer is the one who replies
@thawhizard6224
@thawhizard6224 Жыл бұрын
​@@bossaudio12pretty sure it's Ian at least sometimes lol or Ethan is lying and pretending to be Ian sometimes
@eliki4067
@eliki4067 Жыл бұрын
I agree!
@coreyrobinson2546
@coreyrobinson2546 Жыл бұрын
Jordan as Beetlejuice = new kink unlocked
@thegniffen4645
@thegniffen4645 Жыл бұрын
inexplicable hotness.
@KROMO50
@KROMO50 Жыл бұрын
She looks fucking hot
@Sprite_525
@Sprite_525 Жыл бұрын
Ian’s beautifully self-aware summary of his attitude at 1:22:21 should’ve gotten way more credit: “I’m like an ‘aggressive optimist,’ I guess… From my past experiences and what has happened to me in my life, I’ve had no choice as a defense-mechanism to survive, but to be aggressively optimist about things, as a way for me to survive and traverse the world that I was born into. So , that is my unraveling of ‘why am I so angrily optimistic about things?’ “ Well-said 👍 it also happens match perfectly with Mullen & Shane’s summaries too.
@coomr419
@coomr419 10 ай бұрын
Yeah he was definitely optimistic for mouthwash
@MsGhost87
@MsGhost87 Жыл бұрын
1:30:12 "People need to hear how wrong you are!" 😂 "It wasn't my choice." 🤣 I love Ian, he's such a silly guy & it's why I love him 😁
@gotsouced4943
@gotsouced4943 10 ай бұрын
You guys have probably the best opening song for a podcast
@whatever1510
@whatever1510 Жыл бұрын
I felt like i relapsed listening to you guys coke ramble about free will and sub consciousness
@programmingaccount9563
@programmingaccount9563 Жыл бұрын
glad im not the only one. i just typed some long rambling comment and thought i was just having some serious de ja vu. probably typed the same stupid shit on the last cast too
@MrColaxion
@MrColaxion Жыл бұрын
33:15 watch Ian spiral out of control ending in a random diabolical laugh Thank you Jordan for stressing Ian to this point, priceless
@TheOrlandoTrustfull
@TheOrlandoTrustfull Жыл бұрын
At Home With Sly Stallone is an absolute work of genius.
@SPRfresh
@SPRfresh Жыл бұрын
yo.
@fenner1122
@fenner1122 Жыл бұрын
Keep on punching
@helpis0ntheway
@helpis0ntheway Жыл бұрын
Bein' Sly with Kyle (meow)
@mc-ws5gs
@mc-ws5gs Жыл бұрын
is that you Kurp?
@lamanamanume
@lamanamanume Жыл бұрын
@@SPRfresh yo
@84632
@84632 Жыл бұрын
The free will conversation sounds like Jordan and Kyle find comfort in the idea that they arent responsible for their thoughts and decisions. We are all a sum of our experiences, but i think its possible for people to recognize the unconscious processes and use your free will to shape those subconscious impulses.
@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!! One hand feeds the other and both can be true in a certain sense!
@Grizzly_Biscuit
@Grizzly_Biscuit Жыл бұрын
It's really way more simple than what the conversation turned into: your subconscious is way way way quicker than your conscious mind. You also are not aware of most of the things your subconscious deduces as the next course of action. It absolutely feels like you're making your own decisions in the moment, but no matter what, your subconscious already did choose, way before your conscious mind arrived at the decision. @@BeinIanPod
@nikkosantiago8992
@nikkosantiago8992 Жыл бұрын
Ahhh shutt upp
@nikkosantiago8992
@nikkosantiago8992 Жыл бұрын
😘
@Possiblechange
@Possiblechange 3 ай бұрын
The whole calmness doesn’t make sense either, because Ian is never calm..lol Plus when it’s two against one in a discussion, usually the person being told to calm down because you’re wrong by two other people they will always come off as upset/defensive
@alexrush4140
@alexrush4140 Жыл бұрын
Over the past year or two, Ian has slowly become one of my favorite comedians. Can't wait for him to drop a special
@The_Fat_Turtle
@The_Fat_Turtle Жыл бұрын
12:54 Jordan's impression of Sam Morrill is actually pretty good.
@surfs2much976
@surfs2much976 Жыл бұрын
Ian and Jordan are so real their the only people that truly make me not feel bad for who I am and am overwhelmed
@jamieodv
@jamieodv Жыл бұрын
"Can i be honest, im not used to people listening to me for this long" had me spit out my watermelon. And i wasnt even eating one.
@Rnue
@Rnue Ай бұрын
Like just a whole watermelon.
@jamieodv
@jamieodv Ай бұрын
@Rnue there was no watermelon, that's the thing.
@DR.B13666
@DR.B13666 Жыл бұрын
This "free will" conversation has me dying over Ian's reaction 😂
@6969groovy
@6969groovy Жыл бұрын
Lisa Marie was zero years old when she met Elvis. I think ur talking about Pricsilla.
@kahwigulum
@kahwigulum Жыл бұрын
Kyle putting on a serious discussion about free will, or the lack thereof, while a skeleton glares at me in full frame is both absurd and surreal.
@jennocyde138
@jennocyde138 Жыл бұрын
I'm watching it rn and looked up at the tv after I read your comment and, as tho perfectly timed, it was glaring right at me 🤣🤣🤣 Loved it
@masta182
@masta182 Жыл бұрын
"sorry that I'm trying to make em laugh at home" based Ian
@MrChrisStingray
@MrChrisStingray 9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 I love how Ian was stuck in his Elvis impersonation.
@lorrainbow1227
@lorrainbow1227 Жыл бұрын
This podcast always makes me audibly laugh out loud 😹😹✨
@GlassDanimals
@GlassDanimals 6 ай бұрын
I love this episode. I keep coming back to it months later. Hope Dunnigan makes another appearance one day
@ArkhamJacks
@ArkhamJacks Жыл бұрын
With the free will conversation. Dude was just defining subconsciousness and ACTIVELY ignoring the concious.
@Luna-fc6rr
@Luna-fc6rr Жыл бұрын
I watched Jack and Jill twice too, Ian. 😂😂
@zeroa69
@zeroa69 Жыл бұрын
I didnt have the free will to stop myself from replaying the last 10 seconds a dozen plus times
@_m_m4
@_m_m4 Жыл бұрын
This episode was hilarious and enlightening! I do feel like this was more of an episode of “agreein’ with Ian” 😂❤
@helpis0ntheway
@helpis0ntheway Жыл бұрын
This ep was awesome! Kyle is hilarious! And way to tell Luis... you can't claim an improv "game" as your own LOL Bein Ian (with Jordan) is the best!! 💛💛💛
@Head-Hurty
@Head-Hurty Жыл бұрын
THese costumes are really good.. This should be the new Ian.
@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
It’s been me the whole time….
@Head-Hurty
@Head-Hurty Жыл бұрын
@@BeinIanPod What sorcery is this? Am I replying to a podcast as an entity.. en.. ent.. tity.. They have become one. I'd still hit it
@SafeTea
@SafeTea Жыл бұрын
I can't believe how perfect Jordan looks in a costume
@dpd0028
@dpd0028 Жыл бұрын
This pod makes me hunka-hunka burst with laughter!
@joshk.6246
@joshk.6246 Жыл бұрын
I just started the episode to listen to but I'm really liking the guest sharing the loveseat with Kyle. Very stoic, somehow funny.😂
@petertschann-grimm1468
@petertschann-grimm1468 Жыл бұрын
The show should definitely be called Bein' Jordan (with Ian)
@ric3p0
@ric3p0 Жыл бұрын
Ive said it before but I'll say it again one of the best pod intros.... w/ Jordan!
@NameName-wf7cb
@NameName-wf7cb Жыл бұрын
Jordan dressed as Beetlejuice looks like Noel Fielding in The IT Crowd
@ajaxoan
@ajaxoan Жыл бұрын
If your curious of other cultures mourning rituals i would recommend the book From Here to Eternity by Caitlin Doughty!
@TheBrood525
@TheBrood525 Жыл бұрын
The shot going between Kyle looking absolutely normal to Ian and Jordan in their costumes was hilarious all the way through lol
@onwardinfortwurth
@onwardinfortwurth 11 ай бұрын
Ian keep going the way you're going brother don't let them get into your head because they're telling you the wrong way
@Tabithaaac
@Tabithaaac Жыл бұрын
Great Episode!! Loved it - need more eps like this!!!
@ZiggaRats
@ZiggaRats Жыл бұрын
Great guest! I'm loving Kyle's NYC era
@ItsOver9000Productions
@ItsOver9000Productions Жыл бұрын
Ian mkes a good point in the convo. Free Will and choice is absolutely a thing you be aware of and take control of.
@ReallyBama
@ReallyBama Жыл бұрын
That delay study Kyle keeps referencing is widely criticized by peers. Ian made so many good points. There's many studies that show quantum effects in the brain, and it's by no means exhaustive, we still may find others. And that's just quantum fields we think we understand from the known to be incomplete standard model. A "soul" quantum field could exist in another dimension, making those decisions by interacting with the structures in the brain transdimentionally.
@tylerp3327
@tylerp3327 Жыл бұрын
Jordan dressed as Beetlejuice is now in the Top 5
@jamesmanriquez3493
@jamesmanriquez3493 Жыл бұрын
Of the spank bank
@nextbizzy
@nextbizzy Жыл бұрын
this what i needed for this comedown
@heather6576
@heather6576 Жыл бұрын
Ian as elvis made me laugh so much! Team no free will!!! loved the episode
@Freddie-x4h
@Freddie-x4h 2 ай бұрын
Haha dude the timing of that outro song just aligned perfectly with the discussion 😂
@jonnycool123
@jonnycool123 Жыл бұрын
My new fav podcast, both Jordan and Ian are amazing. So happy binging these episodes.
@zoetaron3517
@zoetaron3517 7 ай бұрын
Jordan and Kyle are right about free will. I love this show.
@futurisma9014
@futurisma9014 6 ай бұрын
I love seeing Jordan in a good mood
@scrambledegger
@scrambledegger Жыл бұрын
Kyle is the best podcast guest. And Harland Williams. All jokes
@jarredfugleberg3994
@jarredfugleberg3994 Жыл бұрын
Best is a strong word
@gnarkiller
@gnarkiller Жыл бұрын
Did you miss the half hour of douchy self help talk?
@marthataylor9026
@marthataylor9026 Жыл бұрын
This episode conjured a panic attack
@NotAHippopotamus
@NotAHippopotamus Жыл бұрын
Ian insisting Jack and Jill is a good movie again is mind boggling
@cornjobb
@cornjobb Жыл бұрын
why? it's his opinion.
@haterade5137
@haterade5137 Жыл бұрын
Watch it. It's pretty funny. Like white chicks.
@MsGhost87
@MsGhost87 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was great! Meet the Zohan was up there for me, too. People like us, probably like the more "stupid" movies, because they are straight-up comedy. They don't have the same type of emotions like CLICK, Spanglish & Just Go With It give the viewer.
@kudblast1
@kudblast1 Жыл бұрын
Who's gonna break it to Ian? You can't return most Halloween decorations.
@jackosnmh
@jackosnmh Жыл бұрын
Not only that, but I bet they also don’t take returns on 10’ skeletons. This episode will ruin them for life. 😔
@stalecisco666
@stalecisco666 Жыл бұрын
Y'all should smoke crack next episode.
@thomasos6633
@thomasos6633 Жыл бұрын
Kyle's impersonation of Jordan is just a norm McDonald impression. Haha
@STEALTHKAOS
@STEALTHKAOS Жыл бұрын
I love Kyle and I am digging Jordan in the Beetle make-up.
@romankorseev3703
@romankorseev3703 Жыл бұрын
I'm choosing to continue watching this..... I'm choosing to continue watching this..... Just kidding, when I see a podcast with Kyle there is no choice
@funkk
@funkk Жыл бұрын
For real, one of my pet peeves is people interrupting other when they are making a point and Ian really grinded my gears this episode.Still love you Ian :)
@AshleyB-s9r
@AshleyB-s9r 11 ай бұрын
Kyle, please do a podcast! You are so naturally funny!!! I know you have your sketch show but a talk pod would be amazing
@bobbymarm9978
@bobbymarm9978 Жыл бұрын
Y’all are sunshine to my day 🙏 keep up the good work!
@zachzane14
@zachzane14 Жыл бұрын
I haven't laughed like this in a while. I needed this, thank you ☺️
@MrJayurbs
@MrJayurbs Жыл бұрын
I love Kyle and am so happy he's on here. Great ep thanks guys!
@cornjobb
@cornjobb Жыл бұрын
that this episode devolved into an intense discussion of "who said what to who and what it means" was anxiety-inducing.
@jkroemer2685
@jkroemer2685 Жыл бұрын
@@emailsucks28agreed, funny moments but overall a mehhhh episode for Halloween.
@DrHopplesquigs
@DrHopplesquigs 11 ай бұрын
I love Kyle! I can't wait to see what the future holds for him. If he were a stock I would go all in on him!
@MadDawg420
@MadDawg420 Жыл бұрын
That sandler impression is incredible
@scotthallgv
@scotthallgv 6 ай бұрын
I love that in Kyles mind, Jordan sounds like Norm McDonald apparently haha! Im fuckin dyin here!
@guitarnutbolinuli5788
@guitarnutbolinuli5788 Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite episode of the pod; great conversation.
@SPRfresh
@SPRfresh Жыл бұрын
This is one of the rare times that I'm going to take Ian's side. Any person who has invented something or created a piece of original art is a pretty simple example of free will. Chaotic nature versus lawful nature is on full display here. Kyle and Jordan read some fancy book on philosophy and succumbed to one man's hypothesis on an oversimplification of the human mind. Ian saw this hypothesis and raised a middle finger to it and pushed back. Is this not free will? It would be much easier for him to please the people around him and agree, but he chose to believe something else in that moment.
@mattrichards9485
@mattrichards9485 Жыл бұрын
Loved the convo and the costumes!
@Jakebee024
@Jakebee024 Жыл бұрын
I honestly love the consciousness talk #teamJordan
@itzdadam8463
@itzdadam8463 Жыл бұрын
Kyles impression of Jordan is just Norm MacDonald
@clevermissfox
@clevermissfox Жыл бұрын
I heard Jay Leno 😂
@shamsam4
@shamsam4 Жыл бұрын
Ian's a little jelly. I get it. Edit upon completion of the ep: Ian rules.
@Tess.Elated
@Tess.Elated Жыл бұрын
I agree with you so much Ian that it's shpooky. But it's not like I chose that out of free will or anything😂 hunka hunka oh yea
@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 hell yeah mama - Elvis Fidance
@Tess.Elated
@Tess.Elated Жыл бұрын
@@BeinIanPod 😍😍 you have made my lil life worth while and I will brag about the moment Elvis Fidance responded to me for the rest of my life ♥️ ahwoooo (This comment was not of my own free will)
@robsrxx
@robsrxx Жыл бұрын
Ian gets so uncomfortable that he had to get serious at the end. Being Jordan with Ian rules.
@Sun_Cat_Pop
@Sun_Cat_Pop Жыл бұрын
IT HAPPENED !!! After seeing Ian's clip doing warm up for Sam's special, each Saturday nite I've hoped was the WMBD with Ian as guest Cant believe this is the week Im late catching the episode AND getting the heads up for Ian AND Jordan with Mark & Sam. Now its all anticipation
@eddieb270
@eddieb270 Жыл бұрын
I love this kind of episode cos i did social studies and you do a big part on free will and determinism would love a being jordan with ian episode even tho idk how different itd be from normal pods cos you equally host
@bobmarvin7498
@bobmarvin7498 Жыл бұрын
That was awesome! Brilliant combination of post-existential reductionism and trauma-fueled chaos. Loved everything about this...
@Seerthedreamer
@Seerthedreamer Жыл бұрын
Great episode, glad i got yalls patreon!
@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@jrs623
@jrs623 Жыл бұрын
Could you think of no free will as your mind using learned experiences to choose for you? I mean, yeah, your subconscious makes all the decisions based upon past/collected knowledge and the id, right? Also, the last minute was perfect.
@scruggscorp
@scruggscorp Жыл бұрын
Ian, I'm with you. They have some smarty pants complex here. Free will in the house!!!!!!!
@theramplocal
@theramplocal Жыл бұрын
Love the costumes! You guys rule
@alaskamom5291
@alaskamom5291 2 ай бұрын
Ian, there is a video of a donkey laughing in response to a dog getting shocked by an electric fence. It's hilarious!
@mandisilvernale980
@mandisilvernale980 Жыл бұрын
Omg the free will thing blew my mind and I completely agree with Jordan!! 😂 keep it up friends! 👏🏼
@MitchelWallis-w3o
@MitchelWallis-w3o Жыл бұрын
Ian's Subconscious would have never told him to get sober, you beat things in your mind. Ians actually right here for once EDIT: OBJECTION, there is the fact you are an organism. But yada yada
@BeinIanPod
@BeinIanPod Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!!!
@drunkwizard
@drunkwizard Жыл бұрын
The whole idea of the subconscious is that you are not aware of it. Thus, you wouldn't know what it would OR would not "tell" your mind/body to do. It could very well lead you in the direction of sobriety just like it lead you in the direction of addiction. If you view consciousness as an iceberg, the subconscious is that 90% that's hidden beneath the surface of the ocean. You just don't know what's down there influencing the other 10%.
@MitchelWallis-w3o
@MitchelWallis-w3o Жыл бұрын
@@drunkwizard Not to make a religious argument but most conceptions of the universe are to do with a Christ conscience having thought before material existed, so the fact we can use our thinking to shape the world is our Godliness.
@drunkwizard
@drunkwizard Жыл бұрын
@@MitchelWallis-w3o no one is arguing that thoughts aren't powerful. What's being debated is the idea that we are in control of our thoughts and make our own decisions (free will) as opposed to being guided by our subconscious (not free will). The experiment that Kyle brought up is an example of how our brain creates the illusion of free will because thoughts pop into our head and we make a decision. In reality, the brain has already decided before we are conscious of it, thus giving credence to the idea that we are not actually making our own decisions, we just think we are.
@JeromeHagard
@JeromeHagard Жыл бұрын
1:29:31 is the best clip of this whole thing, Ian says “it wasn’t my choice to scream, ima screamer.” Is such a mf funny response to all that freewill shit.😆
@JoshBarash-j6j
@JoshBarash-j6j Жыл бұрын
My absolute favoritest ep of this pod evers
@nytemarecaro
@nytemarecaro Жыл бұрын
Omg one of my favorite episodes. Both y’all should come to ducking Asheville, NC. Ahhhh how much hoy that would bring to my tiny black rotting heart!!!
@nytemarecaro
@nytemarecaro Жыл бұрын
Seeing all the different sides of y’all…ahhhhh I can’t hold back the excitement
@evandercaldwell9993
@evandercaldwell9993 Жыл бұрын
Of course there is Free Will, Ian don't let yourself be jaded by those lunatics!!
@drunkwizard
@drunkwizard Жыл бұрын
How does believing your subconscious is guiding all your decisions make you jaded? 🤔 It's not like they came to the conclusion after being depressed. They came to it after looking into the science behind it and it brings them comfort, not despair.
@winterc.2476
@winterc.2476 Жыл бұрын
​@@drunkwizardyou're wrong. And you're changing the premise. We have free will. We also have a subconscious. It's a dumb argument.
@drunkwizard
@drunkwizard Жыл бұрын
@@winterc.2476 wrong about what? I wasn't even making an argument, just asking a question.
@TekNoSolja
@TekNoSolja Жыл бұрын
im going to be honest with youse guys.. I’ll watch anything both of you are on, but I refuse to rewatch jack & jill.
@RachaelSulpice-lv2cl
@RachaelSulpice-lv2cl Жыл бұрын
Sam Harris part of the matrix now - Carl Jung … You guys are the rightest witty onslaught 😂 love it
@zonkey2468
@zonkey2468 Жыл бұрын
Favorite episode. Ever.
@GroktheGonk
@GroktheGonk Жыл бұрын
This the episode I’ve always wanted.
@hanjuhbrightside5224
@hanjuhbrightside5224 Жыл бұрын
The fucking Groomer joke floored me, holy shit Ian 🤣😭
@datchicray
@datchicray Жыл бұрын
Ian is %100 in the right. They just don’t respect his thoughts because he’s a happy silly dude and there’s this idea you have to be miserable to be intelligent.
@ipaded962
@ipaded962 Жыл бұрын
It has nothing to do with being “happy” or “miserable” - it’s a different way of viewing how the brain works.
@Grizzly_Biscuit
@Grizzly_Biscuit Жыл бұрын
Ian just didn't understand the concept of the free will dilemma. I feel like if you really understood the concept yourself, you'd recognize that as well. All they're doing is accepting that their perceived conscious choices are pre-determined by their subconscious before they "choose" it. They're not miserable, they're just not afraid to consider the literal science behind it and change their understanding.
@kelev48
@kelev48 Жыл бұрын
You had to write that
@daditude69
@daditude69 Жыл бұрын
Ian couldn’t accept the possibility that he’s not making conscious choices because “choice” is so important to all the 12 step addict shit.
@PanosSchmitAlmeira
@PanosSchmitAlmeira Жыл бұрын
@@daditude69 Well tbh it gives more leeway for self-empathy for an addict and people who look at addicts. The issue is that the 12 step program is based on the Yankee values of "personal-responsibility," so you're right he and others like him have been indoctrinated by that ideology and also in general people feel more comfortable knowing their choices are their own.
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