Belgian Navy's First Mine Warfare Mothership Launched by Naval Group

[@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520]

Great design and great idea, Mines were devastating during the last 2 world wars They’ll be just as destructive during the next world war

[@marcusfranconium3392]

That is quite fast as if i remember correctly they where layed down only last year or 16 months ago.

[@marcelpavlik7976]

on europe yes

[@marcusfranconium3392]

@steggs69 I know i used to be in the dutch navy , building the hull with the primary and basics systems is easy enough . the main parts of operational and control systems bit of more complex and time consuming matter .

[@JohnSmith-uy7sv]

They forgot to give it a fresh paint job and remove the rust. Looks like an old ship. what a disgrace. 🙄

[@julesdebeckker627]

​@@JohnSmith-uy7svbro calm down, she wasn't finished yet lmao

[@1zanglang]

Big step forward! This ship would be cheaper to build and maintain, due to no more necessity to have non magnetic hull, superstructure, systems, and low noise propulsion, etc. The Tripartite was a GRP hull, and its construction, employed lots of ”exotic” non magnetic materials. However, some countries like mine which postpones the MCM program upgrade for almost a quarter of a century, should weigh carefully the possibility to acquire the Tripartites that Belgium and Netherlands are replacing. These minehunters seem to last forever, are reliable, and for a bargain price could replace our 30 - 40 years old totally inefficient minesweepers, and have them in service for another couple of decades.

[@marcusfranconium3392]

True the tripartite are verry durable i spend one year on one of them . as last posting . But they are not just belgian but also french . Tripartite ( three parties ) several already have been sold to bulgaria , latvia , pakistan . even some where sold to france . The dutch navy even offered 2 to ukrain in 2025 after the war to help them clearing mines . THe hulls are extremly durable as they used the same polyester as the dutch pilot tenders build in the 60s and they are still running around . Personaly i would love to own one of these mine hunters stripped from their miltary equipment you can make a fine yacht out of them . as they are a lot bigger on the inside than one might expect.

[@marcusfranconium3392]

@@1zanglang Its a shame as these ships are made to be stored for prolonged periods of time . In the netherlands we had 15 back in the 90s most where preserved or in maintenance . and pulled out when needed . Hopefully when the EU will have more integration of military cooperation like the Belgians and dutch have . it would make things much easier and cheaper to maintain . And train the crews . i dont know how good the relations between romania and bulgaria or greece are but cooperation could be a good thing . with the navy stuff.

[@Retroscoop]

@@norml.hugh-mann Defense specialists love abbreviations. It make them feel they belong to a class somewhat separated from the non-militairy, the civils.

[@1zanglang]

@@marcusfranconium3392 We have very good relationship with Helenic and Bulgarian navies. Lots of exercises and joint operations are conducted with them and also with the Turkish Navy. Hopefully our ”helmsmen” would understand to provide our navy with what it is needed, in order to ensure that cooperation would be fruitful..

[@1zanglang]

@@norml.hugh-mann Glass Reinforced Plastic.

[@Toebaksworld]

Nice to see that Belgium and The Netherlands are taking the lead in anti mine warfare at sea!

[@Grotegnaffelaar]

Nice to see that Belgium gives this order to France in a heartbeat.

[@chrisV8]

Clearing mines has for decades been a Belgian speciality. The old mining ships used to be called in the Belgian navy “the Tupperware fleet”.

[@marc9080]

@@Grotegnaffelaar Normal la Belgique et les hollandais payent nous fabriquons! la loi du marché de l'offre et la demande, ou est le problème?

[@ContraVsGigi]

​@@GrotegnaffelaarI would guess they searched the market and chose the best for their needs.

[@TheOlive200]

Et les français aussi d ailleurs se sont les principaux maitre d œuvre du projet

[@alexis_ian]

I wonder what are the difference between the Joint Belgium-Dutch MCM Toolbox Program to the Royal Navy MHC which also aims to used Autonomous Surface Vesses and UUV the concept is similar. But the system seem different! Also curious which syetem will the French go with for there future MCM?

[@marcusfranconium3392]

The belgians dutch and french have been cooperating with the Mine hunters since the 70s . France already have expressed interest in joining the program . The belgians are quite experts in mine hunting school and the MOST is situated in Oostende. To gether with the Dutch and French they had tons of experience The mother ship project actualy started back in the early 90s . And the dutch tend to build their own systems Sewaco / Holland signaal ( now thales netherlands ) so there should be differences between the british and Benelux MCM s.

[@jamescotton01]

@@marcusfranconium3392 @alexis_ianf The Royal Navy and Marine Nationale have been working on a joint program to develop their mine counter measure uncrewed vessels and concepts. It is likely the French have/will buy similar equipment to British service to deliver capability. I don't know what ships the MN will purchase to replace their minehunters, but the Royal Navy intend to use a combination, continuing to use Hunt class MCMVs along with deployment from the shore, RFA auxiliaries and ships of opportunity. A major benefit of uncrewed mine warfare using remotely operated or autonomous vehicles, is you do not need a dedicated GRP hulled ship to do the work. A Frigate, Auxiliary, civilian ship or shore base all work as well.

[@JohnSmith-uy7sv]

and repaint it and get rid of the rust while your at it. What a disgrace.

[@istoppedcaring6209]

so wait, they just drop a patroll boat which drops a guided device to take out magnetic mines

[@SF7PAKISTAN]

So frigates are mine countermeasure ships now? Edit: I know this isn't a frigate, I'm just saying usually MCM ships were the size of patrol boats but now with ships like this, they're essentially the size of frigates

[@edsutherland8266]

No, it’s strictly an MCM ship, designed to carry USVs and UUVs. It’s a large mothership, rather than the traditional GRP mine hunter concept. It’s similar in size to corvettes or small frigates, but other than size, it has no real similarities. Frigates and destroyers can carry MCM gear, especially the newer designs with flexible mission bays, but that’s strictly a secondary role.

[@isunlloaoll]

Yea, these MCMs and OPVs are bigger in displacement than a lot of destroyers from decades ago. I can't wait to one day see a 20,000+ ton destroyer, maybe Japan's new aegis destroyers 🙏

[@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520]

That’s not a frigate, in modern warfare with modern mines minesweepers shouldn’t sweep themselves but instead use UUVs and USVs to do the job No point risking divers and the ship

[@TwinPeaky]

More like a corvette, but I get your point ;)

[@georgegeorgakopoulos5956]

In Naval News We Trust

[@JohnSmith-uy7sv]

in rusty ships you don't. 🙄

[@ahmetkultur9220]

Great fellas. celebrate every step!

[@JohnSmith-uy7sv]

and repaint it and get rid of the rust while your at it. What a disgrace. 🙄

[@petebeatminister]

Why is it rusty before its even launched?

[@JohnSmith-uy7sv]

That is what I have been saying. What a disgrace. Never in the U.S. Navy. Too lazy to repaint it or scrub it with a rust remover???

[@istoppedcaring6209]

because shiphulls are allowed to oxidize before being painted over, the rust protects the ships against further oxidation.

[@istoppedcaring6209]

@@JohnSmith-uy7sv the US navy wouldn't do it differently, hulls are meant to oxidize (rust) then they paint over the fully oxidized hull. the reason for this is that oxidation protects metals from further oxidation. this ship still needs the roof to get a layer of paint but afterwards it will be in line with what you'd expect to see

[@SotirisPiloridis]

Sir thnx

[@dirk1963]

Safe sailing 👍

[@chrisrowland1514]

If it's that new why is it so rusty

[@harentrois]

It has not yet been completed, it has just been launched and still needs to receive its equipment and finishes.

[@trevorhart545]

That is NOT Rust it is part of the Camouflage that is standard with Naval Group exports. Normally an "extra" but included in the price.

[@rmyikzelf5604]

Completely normal for uncoated steel, especially in salty air environments

[@brimmystone]

To the one who edited the illustrations on the screen: Belgian flag has black on the left and red on the right. Not opposite. 00:06:36

[@Retroscoop]

You are supposed to watch this episode through a mirrror

[@harentrois]

@@Retroscoop like the manuscripts of Leonardo da Vinci which were written from right to left and upside down

[@MrPirax]

I would take a look at article 193 of the constitution, and you'll find something different (although everybody here does black yellow red :-D )

[@seynsfrederic1143]

Thats not 100% correct, according the constiution is the ref voor on the legt 😮

[@micumatrix]

Looks like a ship recycling. Anker hole was cut out and made fresh. However, just saw a vid of the british marine repurposing a ship that tended oil rigs as a de-mining “mothership “. Guess it’s cheaper and faster and that is good. Times of battleships is over.

[@alessiocaldana7592]

Is it red because it is not completed?

[@williamlloyd3769]

Impressive. At some point, this ship will get tested out in Black Sea after Russia / Ukraine war is concluded to clear the area of mines. PS - Unfortunately, think war will continue until mid 2024

[@FrancisJoa]

lol. This war will be over between this summer and fall.

[@Retroscoop]

@@FrancisJoa Time to go to IKEA for a new crystal ball

[@bendavis6530]

Do you really think Russia will just stop if Ukraine takes back all its land… I’m not sure.

[@Triggernlfrl]

Depends how long the NATO agressor keeps trowing oil on the fire...

[@Shrikinator]

@@Triggernlfrl Yeah, NATO brutally invaded Ukraine! Oh, wait ...

[@kinngrimm]

The title suggests to me that this is a mine layer of sorts"Mine Warfare Mothership", i did get eventually that it is the complete opposite. Are you also able to get mines safely back after their life cycle if one of your navy put them there? Why did the ship have soooo much rust, not enough paint left or was it rust paint 0_0?

[@maphilib]

Still under construction . 😊

[@MrPirax]

Ne Smeu, da zijn de beste

[@iuliuscaesar9078]

The option from Navantia was better and cheaper.

[@trespire]

Bravo Belgium.

[@XR190190]

More European cooperation for our defense! To be stronger and a better ally for the US, we need to do more of these cooperation!

[@marc9080]

Laisse les USA en dehors POR FAVOR! tu n'as rien compris de l'Europe?

[@johanverhoeven3661]

Why is the last guy always iterating that 'friends' can join?

[@TheNefastor]

Is the bow bulb supposed to look like that ? It's so blunt, it looks unfinished. EDIT : nevermind, 6:13 answered that.

[@Take_Flight465]

Music is much to loud.

[@tylerdurden4006]

Why does it look like the rust is gonna eat right the door frames and they gonna fall off any day? You couldn't paint over that for "launching a new ship"?

[@jackf1841]

It's France.....

[@VenckoFN]

@@jackf1841 shut up, we aint french, we are from belgium

[@VenckoFN]

and to answer your question, its still in development, they will improve their equipment, armor, anything

[@Itachi951000]

@@jackf1841 Indeed... it is France, the 3rd (soon to be 2nd) largest arms exporter in the world and well-known for the quality of its armament. Something to say?

[@reinach77]

Rust is absolutely normal on metal sheets used to build ships. It protects it. And they wont remove it and paint until everything is in place

[@kalmansovari6878]

Why so rusty?

[@istoppedcaring6209]

because shiphulls are allowed to oxidize before being painted, in this case the roof seems to be unfinished (probably waiting to install radar and so on, so it still needs to be painted but can't be painted yet. that being said the ship shouldn't be put to water until that is done as it will allow salt to actively corrode the ship instead.

[@jebise1126]

4:52 interesting wardrobe... she is missing a whip...

[@Retroscoop]

Yep the new vamp of Belgian politics, this is our clearly not camera-shy Minister of Defense enjoying herself. Except for her, there are a number of other female relatively newcomers, including the Minister of Budget (linked to the owners of the Dredging International co.) and the Minister of Interior. So, it aren't only the Scandinavian countries or New Zealand who go full throtle for gender equality. As for the whip, no idea if it is missing, you'd have to get a look in her official car.

[@harentrois]

Personally, I find that since she became defense minister, things have changed a lot. There are a lot more investments and military salaries have been increased. The only thing I blame her for is that she didn't cancel the purchase contract for the F 35s, which cost the taxpayer a fortune. We don't need such sophisticated planes, the Rafale was much more appropriate for our air force and our military budget. It's true that with a whip, she would be even sexier. 🤪

[@lucvanackeren5445]

@@harentrois the Rafale is more expensive . There's a reason nobody buys the Rafale, but buys F-35 . Considering the budget, we better would have bought something different then the Griffon & Jaguar crap .

[@Dennan]

shouldnt they finish the ship before they make a video tho? all that rust and such dosent look that great on a video

[@deanhankio6304]

5:28 le frenglish

[@jackf1841]

Lol... at least the chief of the Belgian navy speaks good English (he's Flemish), compared to his French-speaking colleagues...

[@qeuchniot]

Les ravages de l'enseignement de l'anglais dans les collèges et lycées français. :D

[@Retroscoop]

@@jackf1841 Sorry, his accent is as terrible. And I'm Flemish, so I can reckognize it very well. It's all understandable and grammatically correct, but the accent still is there. But less irritating than Franglais or even worse... Dutch folks speaking English.... Now THAT is terrible ! If you want something "funny", it are Italian officers talking English in the Joe Dolce way... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXfElIp9d6-SmdU&ab_channel=Soxman2004

[@harentrois]

@@qeuchniot Depuis quand vous apprenez une autre langue en France? En Belgique on parle 2, voir 3 langues et l'anglais est asse commun surtout à Bruxelles.

[@Jugement]

​​@@harentrois Mdr oui d'accord et vous avez inventer les frittes 😂 C'est trop mignon la ténacité avec laquelle vous vous accrochez à vos trois exclus locales pour compenser votre complexe d'infériorité, j'adore hahaha Faut pas pleurer comme ça bonhomme, en l'occurence il à raison l'officiel parle super mal, alors maintenant avale ton seum et circule

[@FlipXFlopl]

New ship and the sides already rusted???

[@jonahramos1774]

Probably a ship from another navy, it looks like a gutted and repurposed US LCS. But it's currently being built out of France. Idk why it's already rushed but it's probably usual for other countries

[@Jdroid-jh2kw]

nothing unusual here, salt water tends to make things rust very fast, ships get repainted frequently

[@reinach77]

Yes layer of rust protects the metal from the elements until it's painted.

[@dieterverschueren]

As you could hear in the interview, the ship is still under construction and final delivery is taking place next year (2024). This is just bare metal before being painted 😉

[@Retroscoop]

That's camouflage of course... Tsss tss tsss, you really have to explain everything to all those toddlers here in the comment section.

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

in today's technological dominated defense industry mine warfare, e.i. under water mines & depth charges should be permanently banned worldwide . . . the entire inventory of under water mines & depth charges of all of the world's navies should be scrapped & destroyed . . . followed by scrapping of all mine hunters, mine layers & minesweeper etc . . . basically the whole spectrum of the MCW element . . .

[@ccllvn]

why???

[@maphilib]

👍👍👍👍

[@tveirken1]

Al zo roest als onze democratie...

[@jean-claudemuller4746]

Eh bien il parle l’anglais correctement l’amiral 😊

[@marc9080]

BRAVO la FRANCE et NAVAL GROUPE! et merci aux acheteurs qui sont incapables de faire le boulot! mais qui deal de la drogue partout en Europe!

[@thelimatheou]

Belgium has a navy? You learn something every day...

[@Retroscoop]

They even have a sea. Yes, and some learn certain basic things in an earlier stage than others. Belgium has a small navy, that is specializing for decades in anti mine operations internationally.

[@xeon_1705]

great just what we need another money sink that need constant "maintenance" money transfers to france i hasn't even left the yard and it is already rusting away

[@ferky123]

They only painted what was necessary to launch the ship.

[@wirovanas3317]

Jezus wat een oude muuk

[@rmyikzelf5604]

Is een gloednieuw schip. Je weet duidelijk niks van (staal) scheepsbouw.

[@JohnSmith-uy7sv]

wait what? your proud of a dirty rusty ship????!!! Our U.S. Navy was never like that even our old ships. what a disgrace. 🙄

[@nathanieljacobson7268]

Why does Belgium need this ?😂

[@TwinPeaky]

To counter naval mines? That's usually what minecountermeasure vessels are for u donut

[@lucvanackeren5445]

Belgium is near the English Channel . The English is the busiest seaway in the world - makes an easy target with Mine Warfare . The Port of Antwerp is one of the biggest in the world and is of strategic importance ...

[@drscopeify]

@@TwinPeaky Belgium and Netherlands have critical under sea infrastructure that Russia can cut or blow up and then leave mines to destroy any ships that go to make repairs so this is critical to be able to remove the mines and allow repair if infrastructure damaged by Russia. Also mines can be used to block shipping channels so you must have good minesweepers to remove the threat.

[@roddychristodoulou9111]

Something very strange here , isn't Belgium a landlocked country ?

[@lucvanackeren5445]

Google is your friend ...

[@roddychristodoulou9111]

Yes I know I got Belgium mixed up with Luxembourg .

[@rmyikzelf5604]

Wow

[@GaneshMushika]

No it’s not. You should take a look at a map before posting.

[@lukeecle117]

Donate it to ukraine please

[@manuellangius2896]

This type of minehunter will be a great disaster with a lott of technical isues. For example look how the mini ships with rov are launched, complete impossible wit a bit of seastate. Theres no space left within the frame.The Netherlands Navy realy stayed far away from this project.

[@albertkowalski5629]

This video distorts the facts. Belgium is not a pioneer when it comes to minehunting ships. Poland has been using 3 modern Kormoran II (project 258) mine destroyers for several years and recently ordered another 3 such ships.

[@thespiritphoenix3798]

Poland really doesn't lead the field. The Belgians and Dutch do as they borrow French Technology and expertise. Real leaders are the British

[@albertkowalski5629]

@@thespiritphoenix3798 Poland builds its own minehunter ships, it doesnt need French projects or license. I don't know about UK but in the Baltic region, Poland has the most modern fleet of mine destroyers.

[@thespiritphoenix3798]

@@albertkowalski5629 yes Poland is modern but can't be compared to outside the Baltic. It is an early adopter of new technology not a developer of it. Exemplified through how the Miecznik Class are based off of the Type 31 Royal Navy Frigate

[@thespiritphoenix3798]

@@albertkowalski5629 ok in the baltic sure. Doesn't make Poland a worldwide pioneer. The Kormoran II's are not the motherships being constructed by the French,Belgians or British. Motherships are the future

[@darchojandreoski9634]

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[@oczhaal]

it's not only belgian, it's a cooperation between belgium and the netherlands. Belgium navy is ridiculous and useless since it consists of merely a handful of boats, most of them very old and outdated.

[@Jugement]

So is yours, keep it down buddy

[@darchojandreoski9634]

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[@darchojandreoski9634]

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