Saab & Damen at NEDS 2023: C71 Submarine, ASW Frigate, F126, LPX and Multipurpose vessel

[@Adventuregirl96]

Damen is always a great company making great ships. Nice video and interviews reminding me I need to find a way to attend one of these.

[@marcelpavlik7976]

great ships? In my opinion, a great ship is a AAA destroyer and not just some better frigates.

[@kingdedede1066]

@@marcelpavlik7976 A good destroyer can fulfil ASW roles but a high low mix is necessary to be economical

[@ghostindamachine]

@@marcelpavlik7976 Armaments, sensor suites, etc. are all built and implemented on the customer request. Daman makes great ships. It is the the end user that specifies what needs to be on board and what not.

[@Puzzoozoo]

As it is closed to the public, unless you get to work in some capacity in the naval defence field you'll never get an invite.

[@Adventuregirl96]

@@Puzzoozoo I am an officer in the USCG, and I have some contacts with some of the maritime defense firms. So, I do have a chance.

[@dronecrasher1769]

There are a lot of misunderstandings about the F126. Although this ship is for anti-submarine warfare, it has no sonar in the bow and no torpedo. In terms of modularity, it means that it is a carrier platform for planning and controlling operations. As well as the bundling of information. In summary, the F126 system is only complete with UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle), UUV (Unmanned Underwater Vehicle), USV (Unmanned Surface Vehicle) and helicopters.

[@gamm8939]

In summary, the F126 is a completely nonsensible ship that cant match the capabilities of frigates while having the displacement and pricetag of a destroyer.

[@jenskirstein7079]

@@gamm8939 As far as I know, F-126 will be equipped with a bow-sonar, but the type is not yet determined. As for the torpedoes, yes, that is a drawback. Apparently, most the responsible people think that if you are in 324mm torpedo range, you already have a problem, because the sub outranges you. Main ASW will be the helicopters and, once available, RUM-139. The biggest complaint so far, as I get it, is not the lack of any ASW capabilities, but the paltry 16 MK-41 cells. Given the current situation in the Red Sea, there might be a slight redesign of the vessel to accomodate twice as much and/or add a modular containerized solution featuring IRIS-T, but only time will tell. There is enough room, space and weight reserve, unlike the ill-designed F-125s.

[@augustofernandez1999]

great video, great intervews.

[@petter5721]

SAAB is a nice company, good collaboration 👍🏻

[@hevertonsiqueira528]

Sim 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🪖👍🤝🫂💪🦜os grifos com línguas de fogo estão prontos e voando pra terra de Tupã Deus dos raios e dos rios kkkkkkkk abraço aos amigos suecos a Embraer quer desenvolver um caça de 5 geração em parceiria com eles Reza a lenda e amigo que está lendo sinceramente. Achava desnecessário mais depois dessa história com a Venezuela o Brasil tem que se fortalecer e não ser tão pacífico temos de nós defender caso seja necessário

[@JanLion-zb1bd]

I admire both Damen and SAAB. Hope they will build our submarines.

[@sixpackpilot]

I can imagine your pain now, when it has been leaked that the cabinet will go with the French Naval Group+Royal IHC, instead of SAAB+Damen. It is not all doom-and-gloom for the Dutch naval industry. Damen will already be heavily involved in the building of four new ASW frigates, four new LCF frigates and six amphibous transport ships (multi-role support ships). Damen's loss of the contract will be Royal IHC's gain. The Netherlands will gain in IHC a new company with expertise in making submarine modules and components.

[@Alsayid]

A micro carrier for drones, how interesting.

[@kiknav]

Holy crap, as a portuguese i am stunned we are getting a mini carrier for our navy.

[@christianjunghanel6724]

As a german myself i would much rather see a corperation to build 8 smaller frigates like the belgian/netherlands for the german navy rather than the 4 F 126s frigates! It would be a much better investment than those cruiser like ships!

[@sankss1684]

How else those corrupt companies and politicians are gonna make money then? Mogami class frigates cost 390 million, Weighs 5,500 tons . 8 are already launched, 4 in service. 2new ships launched every year. And they're focusing on building New varient of Mogami class 4ships each year. Germany is too slow

[@admiralmallard7500]

​​@@sankss1684Mogami would not suit Germany. You realise there's a reason why German ships are so large. Its to allow them to carry more supplies and stores onboard, as Germany lacks a sufficient Tanker/Supply ship fleet

[@sankss1684]

@@admiralmallard7500 good point but way too slow, 1st ship will be launched at 2028 and it will take at least 2 years to enter in service.

[@admiralmallard7500]

@@sankss1684 Japan does have the benefit of a thriving commercial shipbuilding Market to keep their yards busy between warships

[@christianjunghanel6724]

@@sankss1684 You are right unfortunally! I agree japan is doing a better with their Mogamis!

[@Music5362]

Germans don't have nearly enough missiles on their ships. They seem to be disaster relief ships with a small combat capability.

[@admiralmallard7500]

I mean 64 ESSM plus the RAM launchers is decent enough for self defence

[@danyleon4870]

The key is "modularity". It means there are provisions for CIWS, flare and decoy launcher, and integrated jammer.

[@admiralmallard7500]

@@steamedcream7671 It's job isn't to intercept. It's to defend itself. The F124 is the AAW class in the German navy

[@zoperxplex]

Big ships with limited firepower. The Germans are well known for skimping on defense

[@Chiggi0815]

@@zoperxplex The internet is well known for having no clue about naval stuff. Armament is based on role not on size/mass. The F126 will have 64 ESSM for medium Range (50km+) 42 RAMs for short Range (10km+) and another barrier of CIWS capable MLG 4.0, laser weapons and even a anti torpedo torpedo. This is mainly to defend against sub launched anti-ship missiles and torpedos. A modern sub will easily sneak into that outer line of defense. The size of the ship is because it will be build for long intensive use missions. It can stay on station for 2 full years instead of going back o germany every year.

[@rodneymiddleton1044]

Great video

[@ΔωδεκάνησοςΡοδοςΣύμη]

Τά Ολλανδικά πολεμικά πλοία έχουν τα καλύτερα σκαριά σε παγκόσμιο επίπεδο!!! Το γνωρίζω αυτό γιατί είμαι Έλληνας και μάλιστα από τα Δωδεκάνησα!!! Είμαι ΦΑΝ της DAMEN και ειδικότερα ός προς την Ολλανδική ειδικότητα στον Ναυπηγειακό τομέα!! Είναι τα καλύτερα ναυπηγεία τού κόσμου!! Συγκαταλέγονται μέσα στην τριάδα για όλους τους Έλληνες!! Και στην πρώτη για τους Έλληνες Ναυάρχους!!!!!!!! ❤️🇬🇷🎚️🇬🇷❤️👍

[@huiarama]

Great video, will there be an opportunity to follow up / detailed focus on the new Belgium and Netherlands ASW Frigate??

[@Zagoreni02A]

F126, beautiful design but that is pure destroyer, no matter that Germans call it frigate (well they simply call all of their big ships frigates), this is a destroyer and quite potent one. I guess with tonnage of around 10,000 tons you could easly fit 90 or so VLS cells, plus all other weapons. If you want to turn it into "real" destroyer.

[@admiralmallard7500]

It's not though. They use that space mainly for Endurance and Stores as Germany lacks a sufficient support fleet. There is very little room for weapon expansion

[@HansPeters1234]

Its a big ship but its not "potent" at all. It has 8 Anti Ship Missiles like Ships 30 years ago already did and 16 VLS. How can u call that "potent". xD F 124 Class frigates will still have more firepower than these clown ships and they have been designed in the 90s. F 126 is just a big ship filled with lots of redundancy but lacks any serious armament for its displacement.

[@admiralmallard7500]

Tbf it's not replacing the F124, it's replacing the F123 which are armed similarly

[@HansPeters1234]

similarly anemic armament. Doesnt make this mess any better :D very very expensive mess i may add.@@admiralmallard7500

[@Zagoreni02A]

@@admiralmallard7500 I know. Brandenburg class is slowly getting old.

[@honfmeilingfleet957]

F126 is the Ship from Modern Warships game

[@manuellangius2896]

F126 multi role....also a role as a cruise liner .....:)

[@janwitts2688]

It's obviously an asw frigate... and that's where they went right down the rabbit hole.. in this day and age any platform should be able to take a drop in module able to launch any missile that can be managed by any other platform and used for any purpose...

[@maesterrific]

Finally the F126 starts construction. Can’t wait to see it on the water like the FDI.

[@sankss1684]

It will take at least 4 years for launching and 3 years to enter in service

[@maesterrific]

⁠@@sankss1684first ship is scheduled for delivery in 2028 as per NN’s site. I just wanna see its size compared to today’s and the near future’s surface combatants.

[@HansPeters1234]

You cant wait to see a 10,000t patrol ship on water? Yikes

[@maesterrific]

@@HansPeters1234 Idc about it’s weapons fit tbh I just like a good looking ship become reality.

[@jamieshields9521]

Interesting coverage👍I wonder if not to late to offer at least 4 C71 as GAP submarines, surely 2 could be build in Netherlands n other 2 in Australia? I do wonder VLS of F126 at 10t it would least have 48 to 64 cell? I also wonder if LPX is been offered for Australian JSS requirement?

[@admiralmallard7500]

F126 is a general purpose/ASW ship so it will only have the self defence ESSM quad packed in 16 vls.

[@kqckeforyou4433]

F-126 is a GP frigate with a ASW Modul and its 16 VLS cells carry 64 ESSM (1 cell can hold 4 ESSM) and another 42 RAM missiles.

[@admiralmallard7500]

Either way. Def not an Air defence Destroyer or anything like that.

[@Ezekiel903]

sorry but this lot of missile cells makes no sense, which country can load all their ships with this expansive rockets? Australia cant even load one ship fully, the F126 has the new guided 127mm guided ammo, watch here a test from !!8 years ago!! against drones, today more important then ever, flying with 100m/s only 200 meter altitude, and against a 1 meter target! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGK8n6aHZttjo9ksi=o0tvLoEo0Lqibd8W

[@ΔωδεκάνησοςΡοδοςΣύμη]

Δεν ξέρω πως θα το κάνετε... Αλλά θα πρέπει να βάλετε και Ελληνικούς υπότιτλους παιδιά ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@erkanylmaz5564]

Nice video, thanks.

[@bradjohnson4787]

A fast DE or destroyer!

[@karloyu3484]

💙💙💙💙

[@sametyavuz8231]

FCR on front: am i a joke to you? 😁

[@janwitts2688]

Whilst I appreciate that these gents don't speak english as their first language I can't help but point out that if someone who actually did so spoke to them then they would both have a better product for sale and would also have a greater ability to convey that..

[@LeonAust]

German F126 frigate is large, but on that model I failed to many VLS cells only 2 sets of 8? It might be a big ship but it looks like a corvettes armament? Surely 2 x RAM launchers and 16 VLS for a ship over 10,000 tons is totally insufficient in self defence weapons capability.

[@gustavoneves2278]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@theresaleonorriose8422]

Always first 😊😊😊

[@provocateur-in-chief]

10000 ton ship with 8 missiles ?! 😅 What are they thinking. 🤷‍♂️

[@BurkAnat-b4f]

Dutch and Swedish submarines of previous generation were already fine. Now they can design and produce really masterpiece in non nuclear type of subs, both stealthy, lethaly dangerous and energy effective. These subs shall be flexibly operable exactly in closed and shallow seas like Baltic or North seas, or Black sea.

[@marcelpavlik7976]

beutiful ship but with armament like patrol ship is quiet useless

[@GermanGreetings]

I hope that our Dutch partners take care about the F126, not becoming a `teethless tiger`, as some experts in Germany are already worried about. The modules are fine of course. But we can`t switch over to `anti-submarine`-modus or other mission-priorities, when in the heat of a conflict there is no time to change those modules. All frigates of such a hughe size always should permanently be capable also of detecting Submarines... as well as more anti-weapons must be installed, to defeat Drones and Swarms ! We can`t behave like bureaucrats here, who go home each Friday at high noon for relaxing. And all systems should be installed in double number... sometimes things can get broken - so there must be backups of those systems ! To be clear: We have a good opinion about our soldiers - but far less about our burocracy and timeless `war-avoiding` politicians, who still live in the flower-power era, dreaming about negotiations with Putin & Co. ' I hope that Damen takes care of `us` in this case. The ship looks great and seems to be big enough. Thank you for this portrait, good luck and success to the partnership of Saab and Damen.

[@Music5362]

I'm sure the ships will be very well built, but the weapons available are pathetic. BAE just unveiled an option for 96 VLS silos for missiles for Australia's Hunter class frigate.

[@josevargasortega2588]

@@Music5362 Navantia a propuesto el destructor Flight III con 128 VLS .

[@pitmarkovic4545]

At Future is better smaler build including many different Wapon for many different Special Ops for Submarine and Air. Big Ships not Future so I didn't understand F126 it's about 170 meters!! Better so I'm not alone a length not more than 100 meters and more Ship. Also we need one Special Ship only Drones and electronic Warefare 🤷

[@jazzmandan7056]

🇨🇦 (?)..🤔

[@achmadaprizaaffandi]

😍👏👍🤙🧡🇳🇱

[@petter5721]

🇸🇪💕🇳🇱

[@bozidarskobalj3166]

so corvette would need big expansive patriot pack in front slight shorter pre deck uplift rocket defense a mid cruiser pack in mid deck betwen a back missile patriot also and back hub wit garaga enough for vtol or heli or vtol drone and 2x2 torpedo haul then is efcient is use and transport should be 2/3 wider to cary enough on ground mission land easy and eficiently and easy task group suport NATO system suport anyway is functional to do so so corvette are slight biger but mechanism of fast loard is auto suport fast load and almost with 60-75% more explosive power enough range for easy target and riye mission goal ofense hot aporach on 10km base easy to dismantle any ship including aircraft carrier so easy does the suport load system rest as fuly equiped power simbat missile systems including torpedoes which stretght is doubled optioned to cope with any safety and easy fit into NATO goal and again offer safety suport system goals ready corvette destroyer or transport ships so ieasy that does number off contracts and ship easy grow and functionaly due to creativity used tech to suply mission ready standard goals

[@lapasaran13]

Why is nobody building a stealth drone?

[@danyleon4870]

There are stealth drones operational already. Only it wasnt offered as open as ships.

[@Accountshare-q1i]

It was there. But you couldn’t see it.

[@davidhutchison7567]

Larger fleets need to move away from multi role and modularity and focus on first principles of a warfare role. Over and over modularity design flaws cause huge costs and in some cases entire classes are being decommissioned. If they were so modular, you would be able to resolve issues designed around weapons systems and warfare modules. Warfare specific vessels for AAW and USW with SUW capabilities and Strike capacity centered your CV or ESG.

[@petter5721]

This is the trend, modularity and upgradable over the lifecycle. It is a smart concept co cut cost and get local subcontractors in different customer countries 👍🏻