Belize & Costa Rica Leave the PDGA | Read Your PDGA Documents

[@YersiniaPestisNPO]

Belize disc golf has a point that paying pdga members should be able to read transcripts from meetings directly affecting the positions and directions of the organization

[@MattsoooN]

Ofc anything else i ludacris.

[@communityparked]

The PDGA does not own disc golf. Someone should tell them that. Thank You Belize & Costa Rica!

[@jaysantos11]

precisely thank you for your comment

[@bradlasseigne8436]

Great to meet you at ledgestone and she is right about the meetings needing to be public info and or possibly recorded

[@jannejaakkola5836]

While I absolutely hate how this has turned out, I'm not sure if opening committee memos is the right way to go. That would most likely just make people not throw out wild ideas that they might get called on maybe even years after the idea was thrown out. The whole discussion on gender eligibility would probably become muted as you can't tell where things will go and if you're going to end up on the wrong side of history. I think it is wild that someone can throw such strong accusations (may just as well be true or not) and have zero backing. PDGA is just such a mess right now.

[@belizediscgolf]

@jannejaakkola5836 the PDGA can't release the notes from the meeting because Jennie and Herzog buried it. Laura hijacked the meeting, and it was all a rally for trans. Any decenting voices didnt feel comfortable speaking up and the regular leadership from the PDGA wasn't present. Nor was any of the women on the committee who stood up at the Preserve.

[@erakfishfishfish]

@@jannejaakkola5836Perhaps not a full transcript, but I feel like some additional transparency is needed. Right now it just seems like they’re throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks without getting proper input from the players. Just look at how they first suddenly announced the relocation/cancellation of FPO events before throwing that idea out a week later in favor of the United Series concept.

[@deaconblooze1]

@@jannejaakkola5836 Oh no! Not muh 'Wrong side of herstory!' That nonsense doesn't work anymore, everyone is on to you. The only reasonable solution is m2f can compete with each other, or with men, or not at all. Done.

[@path_of_gore8870]

Massive support for Chris and his wife Rosemary! Chris is a close good friend of mine and brought disc golf to Belize. He’s also was huge supporter of women’s disc golf in So Cal and TD’d multiple women’s events . We don’t need the PDGA to grow and enjoy this sport .

[@belizediscgolf]

Rose was never given any documents or onboarding, and she had no idea there was a confidentiality agreement in place. The DGPT had 2 women come forward that repeated the threat verbatim. The PDGA never spoke to them to our knowledge.

[@jgundlach44]

I hope Rose keeps talking. The more publicity the better!

[@jerrycrumpton1125]

That's the problem with doing things in secret. The pdga wanting to have secret meetings throws up a big red flag. What are they hiding? WHY? purpose?

[@tazocitrus]

Thanks for responding as you did!

[@pinetimedg]

This is awful. I really hope this doesn’t happen again in the future.

[@jerrycrumpton1125]

Robert DeGrave, Not true, they can keep the minutes in every meeting for all to read and email the members. No cost. I agree boring material but when problems arise all is in the open.

[@byuidan]

It looks like I will be one PDGA membership fee richer next year. Thanks for covering this.

[@micahreynolds3450]

Same here. I know they could give a rat's azz about me. I'm a nobody and my contribution is a drop in the bucket but I won't be attending pdga events or paying dues.

[@timlass6103]

Same here.... done with PDGA membership.

[@blairdebbiefedoruk8427]

Well done Chris and Rose!! True trail blazers. Praying for you both!

[@gscott4791]

The pdga needs a massive overhaul in leadership and policy. The point of the pdga is to grow the sport, not alienate whole countries just when it’s starting to gain traction. It’s does sound like the lady did breach the contract, but that should’ve never even been in the contract to begin with. I agree, the meetings should be recorded and open to members. Technically the pdga was within their rights to kick her out, but when 2 countries pulled out of the pdga, they should’ve reinstated her and or worked with these countries to come to an agreement!!!!! Grow the sport, don’t let ego run the company

[@coolbananaboy5075]

WOW - I'm so impressed by Belize and Costa Rica ... and SMH at the PDGA's behavior. I'm glad I had not become a member yet and now will give it no support.

[@zafotbeeb]

Just another reason not to have anything to do with such a gutless corrupt organization. The whole board needs to be gotten rid of. Clean house and start over.

[@JaredTG.]

Man, just a couple of months ago I was pleased with how the pdga was handling this whole situation, now I'm just confused about what it is they're even trying to do.

[@chrism4008]

Trying to save face and save money, and also trying to please diametrically opposed groups. I think this will probably eventually be the end for them

[@jakemiller270]

​​@@chrism4008i hesitantly renewed my membership once they made the last decision. I am just going to let it expire and play D Tiers. The lack of taking a side either way is something noone should deal with especially when we pay our way in.

[@tazocitrus]

I think they're just buying time. I think they support fairness and don't buy into the radical left's agenda. They just don't have the means to fight it head on. They need to walk a delicate line (which often doesn't make anyone happy) until they aren't alone at the frontlines of this fight.

[@steveolie985]

@@chrism4008 cant believe they didnt watch and learn from the Bud Light saga.

[@chrism4008]

@@steveolie985 its unfortunate, just all of it. Really bums me out

[@trevzy91]

It was always odd to me that Rosemary was dismissed for discussing what was said in the meeting but later the much of the conversation is published seemingly without concern for privacy.

[@daxmusix]

Keep your chin up, Rosemary. Terrific courage. Way to go Belize and Costa Rica! The very fact that the PDGA has a man on its women’s committee should send a chill down the spines of all disc golfers. And the fact that important conversations are being shrouded in “confidentiality” should also send chills down their spines. Modern culture is sick, and the PDGA is kowtowing. Stay brave, ladies!

[@capecarver]

It is insane that Nagtegaal would even be on a so-called Women's Committee, much less that the meetings would be secret. The PDGA as currently configured is no longer a fit body to make policy for the sport.

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

Abolish the PDGA. Time for, WDGA World Disc Golf Association

[@belizediscgolf]

World Flying Disc Federation has been observing the situation.

[@briancuprisin4571]

I started playing disc golf in 2020. I hesitated in joining the PDGA due to some small controversies happening at the time. I figure I'd let the drama play out and see where everything settled. I'm so happy I didn't fork over any money to the PDGA. I will never support people who view the organization they run/belong to as their private little junta, and their members as their personal subjects. If I ran the zoo, I'd start a competing organization. It shouldn't take much to convince the majority of disc golfers to leave the PDGA in the dustbin of history, where it clearly belongs..

[@gprang]

I don't need to watch Disc Golf. Nor NFL, NBA, MLB. I'll just play, I'm ok with that.

[@judasblewit]

Same. I enjoy playing disc golf a lot more than watching it and hearing about all this bs.

[@koroba01]

Yes, this is exactly my thinking also. I can play just fine without the insanity surrounding the PGDA.

[@Veggamattic]

Not me, I love watching

[@gprang]

@@Veggamattic I know, but we are talking about disc golf, here.

[@scottc4076]

ALL committee meetings should be open for us members to read…The minutes should be published to the PDGA website…If everybody at the PDGA was TRANSPARENT, none of this would EVER be a problem… My question is ::: Why is a man, who thinks he is a woman on a women’s committee ??? The girls I sponsor and pay the PDGA renewal for will no longer necessary, UNTIL the PDGA agents their sh_t together…Whew…I said it 🤟🤟🤟

[@andrewsimmons989]

Lol chill… much more qualified people will sort this out

[@scottc4076]

Chill… I don’t think so…I sponsor girls and young ladies to play in the “female” divisions…The day a male that thinks he’s a woman enters their division, is the last day I pull ALL of them out of the PDGA…@@andrewsimmons989

[@tylerm3567]

Going to be a lot less pdga memberships getting renewed if it keeps going down this path.

[@JB77776]

Good. The sport will be better without the bigots.

[@mcdingus5081]

@@JB77776 Exactly who are the bigots? The ones that are actively trying to destroy the women's division, or the ones trying to save it? Stop it with that tired argument, nobody is expressing hatred when they claim that transgender athletes aren't anything but the gender they were given at birth. You can pretend to be whatever you want- as long as it's the confines of your personal life. When it comes to this issue, however- it's affecting the lives of others and it's not right.

[@ghostrunner6815]

Can’t say I’m surprised by yet another dramatic misstep in this issue.

[@JonathanSteele-j2z]

I would be interested to know what the PDGA policy is regarding meeting minutes though. Seeing as we are entitled to view any board meeting minutes, and any committee of the PDGA is technically functioning on their behalf and therefore on behalf of the members, I would have thought the minutes of those discussions should be made available. Having served on sports boards this was part of our charter to ensure transparency and accountability of the board and their representatives to the members.

[@eddienylund6736]

nope...its kept private. big issue right there.

[@orion7741]

this is a GREAT THING!!! we need to see other countries to follow this example. until the PDGA corrects its issues we ALL need to leave the PDGA. Until the PDGA takes a stand and protects REAL WOMEN we need to be boycotting everything to do with this disgusting organization!!!!

[@JB77776]

Go ahead and leave. The sport will be better without people like you. Unfortunately you're not going to leave because this is really about gaslighting people. The US government has passed over 500 laws this year targeting trans people and somehow they are the villains?

[@Flakzor123]

As far as I'm concerned the power of any NDA or similar agreement ends when people start making categorical threats (and yes unless Laura was misquoted or massively taken out of context there can be no other way to interpret that statement)

[@travismurrant1559]

This is getting very muddled. PDGA seems on the hardcore defense here. It’s actions definitely caused a serious whiplash. They had better come up with a better game plan, cause so far their only actions have been to hurt their players and members and not come up with anything else. Granted no other sport has an answer yet so that says a lot to how bad this is going to get.

[@gprang]

I agree 💯 but I think they don't have the legal defense funds to get what they really want. The cheaters have many freak organizations funding them.

[@gprang]

I agree 💯 but I think they don't have the legal defense funds to get what they really want. The cheaters have many freak organizations funding them.

[@MrJSpicoli]

We aren't too big to tear it up and start over PDGA.

[@louhaveman]

Thank you thank you thank you, PDGA! I've been back and forth on joining, waiting for the right and cheapest moment. I was thinking October 1st. But now, as someone who has lived internationally, my decision has been made by your decision. No, sir. I will NOT be joining this group.

[@koroba01]

This is immensely disappointing, especially with the many efforts to grow the sport internationally where a number of these nations will not be so welcoming to the entire transgender men to women in any sport. Personally I do not need the PDGA, only joined them 2 years ago despite playing the sport since 1985. I will never be a volunteer nor play in any PDGA sanctioned events. I will have to consider the worth of continuing my membership which right now does not appear to be worth much at all.

[@steveolie985]

An independent open-source algorithm to assess ratings would be all that's realistically needed to do away with the PDGA. I'm not sure what exactly they are needed for otherwise at this point.

[@carlwells4989]

Good for them! The Pdga needs to learn that they don’t own disc golf, just because they are the only sanctioning body. The sport is grown at the grassroots local level to begin with.

[@kitcando58]

Never let insane people set policy

[@lynch42o]

weak minded leaders running the pdga. Obviously leftist puppets.

[@UtahDarkHorse]

I think the entire pdga board needs to be replaced. They don't appear to care about their constituents (players). The only thing they appear to care about growing is the big business of disc golf.

[@belizediscgolf]

Employees as well. Place is being run like a cult. No dissent, just remove anyone speaking up. I truly believe they think they themselves own the sport

[@eddienylund6736]

nailed it...and who thought it was a good idea to put a transgender on the fpo board in the first place

[@bobbyrecher1]

Then vote! Less than 15% of active members voted in the election last month

[@UtahDarkHorse]

@@bobbyrecher1 I'm an active member and I did vote.

[@curtiswaagner]

I wish you well but think you are going in a wrong direction. As a gay male I understand inclusion but I also understand that men are built differently than women.

[@JB77776]

So they allow PEDS in Disc golf. I'm fine with disc golf finding a solution. That's not what they are doing though. These people want trans people out of the sport. Proof the fact that Republicans are literally running on discrimination against trans people.

[@dixonjowers792]

Chris, according to the Leonards, no documents were presented or signed in regards to being a member of the women's committee.

[@belizediscgolf]

Women’s Committee or as Country Coordinator. This was also disclosed by Brian Hoeniger's emails mentioning a lack of onboarding of volunteers.

[@nathanwilson7929]

Unfortunately this news breaks just 8 days after the recent elections for the board

[@jerrycrumpton1125]

I support those who left the pdga. I would support the Pro Tour if they broke away from the pdga. I support the Women golfers for standing up and trying to protect their division. The pdga better follow the lead of our larger sports like Track and Field and Swimming. Otherwise when the end game favors protection of our biological lady golfers, they do not look like an amateur organization.

[@ErokDG]

The can’t, Heinold was a cofounder

[@rageoid]

I ditched the PDGA a few years ago due to policy decisions. Won't be going back, not sure they serve a useful purpose any longer. DGPT ought to ditch them as well. They've become like a bloated federal government agency, or any CA or NY government agency.

[@david2ljdavid2lj56]

I will not renew till they fix this

[@jgundlach44]

I love disc golf. The PDGA needs to put women first… or they won’t get any more of my money. Boycott is all that works… ask target and bud. I’m done with this!

[@ilikesnow]

This is exactly why we need a true governing body like the USGA, not some For-Profit Business pretending to be the shepard of the game. Disc Golf is not only the PDGA, although to be fair, they did get us to this point.

[@scottharwood8839]

Leaving the trans-gender issues aside for the moment... How does one legally balance 1. Confidentiality agreement 2. Whistleblower laws 3. Speaking up against a perceived wrong (actual or not)? There are lots of interesting moral and legal things to think about here. Would you please address this Chris?

[@pactme]

This isn’t fraud waste or abuse so it’s not a whistleblower issue

[@belizediscgolf]

Rose never received nor signed any confidentiality agreement. PDGA took the word of Laura and 2 other employees and just dismissed her.

[@keithrose3690]

Way to go Rose. Keep standing and speaking truth. Way to go Belize and Acosta Rica as well. And shame on you Chris. You know you’re selling a piece of your soul every time you refer to Natalie Ryan as a she…

[@happycampers6592]

I am a relatively new player and have been on the fence about joining, until now. Unless they change their stance, I'll never be a member. For those of you that are members, and who stand with the real women, I challenge you to inform the PDGA that you will not be renewing your membership.

[@JB77776]

Good bye bye. The sport is better off without your bigotry.

[@nicodoorn5958]

So is this women’s committee rosemary was dismissed from trying to advocate for trans athletes and rosemary called that out? I must have misunderstood bc I thought the PDGA was aggressively protecting the gender divisions.

[@chrism4008]

That is correct, then theyve attacked *her* for being concerned

[@joehuntsinger1994]

PDGA removing women for deffending women. Now that's rich. I've always loved watching disc golf but I may be done. This is sick! They are supporting men bullies in the FPO over the women. shame on all of you. Please excuse me while I go throw up.

[@JB77776]

The 500 bills targeting trans people this year alone says you're the one going to hell.

[@broheme8922]

It initially seemed like PDGA was going to support sane and logical protection of the FPO division. Turns out it was a feint (as we saw this past week with an ironically-named United Series event).

[@donaldwilliams1162]

just have a confused division....MPO,FPO,CPO...

[@chukfunk]

What if we just started a different league like golf did

[@infamousxjunior]

Hmmm what if we didnt pay to renew our number? Just drop out 😅 back the FPO!

[@nathanwilson7929]

Protip: get rid of toxic members ASAP... They fester and then the fall out is worse. Trust is hard to gain back.

[@nemoyatpeace]

Yeah, I love disc golf and will still probably play events, but won't be renewing my membership if things don't change real fast. Both with regards to accountability of meetings, but even more so with regards to protecting women in the sport!

[@JB77776]

Good the sport will be better off without bigots like yourself.

[@belizediscgolf]

The PDGA finally removed Belize from its English version of the International Guide. The Latin version still references us. Still no apology to Rose

[@reedmecum8966]

Pdga is a business pushing competition. You can make more money playing local doubles. Zelker park has 10 -1000 dollar ace pots, come get some

[@billhayes4682]

Man the PDGA is hemorrhaging the good will they had built up. Punish the many to appease the few. Bad form

[@davepalmer9265]

I wonder if liv golf is interested this investment opportunity 😅

[@larrog8413]

If Nate crawled back into the woodwork, the world would be a better place..

[@timlass6103]

all the PDGA is doing here is creating a reason for a competing organization.

[@Chaser90EK]

I'm impressed the PDGA effectively and efficiently investigated this incident in less than 24 hours. #transparency

[@BrAndOn_CaLLawAy]

😂

[@belizediscgolf]

Funny, The PDGA never spoke to Rose outside her dismissal, their investigation is countered by the DGPT. 2 women in the meeting came forward to Jeff Spring privately

[@capecarver]

Effective and efficient in the tradition of the Stasi.

[@YashaKoman]

How can you have a man on a “women’s” committee? PDGA is turning into a joke.

[@pactme]

Did Rosemary speak up during the meeting or only post her concerns online.

[@belizediscgolf]

She did not, the meeting was not a very inviting place to push back. Within the first few minutes Laura's statement about agreeing or let the blood run pretty much set the tone.

[@pactme]

@@belizediscgolf I’m sorry to hear…what an unfortunate loss to this process and growth not to be able to work with y’all.

[@jeremyreed1659]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a committee within the PDGA can only make recommendations to the PDGA Board of Directors, and cannot autonomously make changes to policy. Bringing the public into committee meeting would be a junk show, which is why the PDGA Board of Directors reviews all of the reports from it's various committees during their regular monthly meeting, and has a link to all of their regular meeting minutes on the PDGA website. The Board of Directors and the PDGA in general is getting screamed at from all sides on this issue, it would be great if we could give them a little patience. It would also be great if they would just put more of the PDGA's hot button decisions to a vote within the membership. Rosemary did breach her non-nondisclosure agreement, but the PDGA probably made a mistake by removing removing her from the Women's Committee. No good came from that. Although, I think that we should remember that Rosemary forced their hand by going straight to social media to slap the committee with a "gotcha" quote. It all seems a bit reactionary, but either way it's up to PDGA members to pay attention and raise their voices based on the facts. All the same, it's up to the PDGA to stop making silly decisions and give more power to their members, regardless of the politics.

[@belizediscgolf]

What about when the committee members notes dont match what occurred? Herzog and Weigand lied and covered for Laura.

[@bustatron]

So there's a trans woman on the board of directors for fpo? Really? Are there a bunch of biological men too? That strikes me as bizzare.

[@belizediscgolf]

Not only a member but before they transitioned were part of the committee that made the rules that defined the trans rules and went on to win a FA40 title after transition

[@bustatron]

@@belizediscgolf ugh. Can't be making the rules and competing, talk about conflict of interest.

[@djksan1]

Where are all the transgender “men” trying to compete in male professional sports?

[@JB77776]

You can findplenty of them bigot. It's just that you're fox news and religious media doesn't like to talk about them.

[@moveslikehobo2177]

Only solution i see to end the whole debate is open a third division for professional play or combine all division and just say. To be the best you must play everyone. People will just have to get over themselves when they get beat by someone who better. Technically we all of one species, human.

[@AdamtheRed-]

Well said

[@gprang]

One division is the best idea. For men, we know who we are. Same for women. Others can invoke "intersectionality." "How did you do?" "Awesome! I was second in the over 6-foot, Midwestern bald guy category!"

[@AdamtheRed-]

@@gprang I'm personally in the under six foot, 9+ inch beard, 210-215 lb, size 10 shoe division. And I'm still coming in 43 place out of 10 players. Disc golf is hard. (Kidding aside, completely agree on a ratings based, unisex division. )

[@ragesuper7858]

Easy to say we are all human... in the USA, it was long ago that women couldn't vote. How about other countries that treat their women total different than men. Is it really too much to ask that women compete against other women? Transgender can play in MPO all they want. That is the all inclusive division!

[@AdamtheRed-]

@@ragesuper7858 or it could be unisex and not segregate people. This is why we have a ratings system.

[@chillokapi5225]

Remember the good ol’ days when pretending to be something your not was considered a mental illness 0:01 ? I miss those days

[@jmichaelmilton]

Yet another example of an XY chromosome person not able to hack it in the XY division. Eye makeup and pink clothes does not a women make!

[@JB77776]

I can play that game 2. A church and dehumanizing doesn't make a story book true. If you aren't religious that means you're a brainwashed fool. Have a nice day. 🤡

[@eddienylund6736]

a transgender shouldnt be on the board of the fpo division...not hard to figure out where the problem is. the pdga better figure it out real quick.

[@elusivelectron]

How does the PDGA handle transgender issues while still providing equality to women with two X chromosomes?

[@bigwooly8014]

TPO division.

[@jerrycrumpton1125]

It's not the pdga's responsibility to accommodate Trans they them. It's their responsibility to protect biological females division. They have no problem using the term "age protected " while actually protecting them from younger stronger players. DO THE RIGHT THING

[@JB77776]

​@@jerrycrumpton1125They also allow PEDS in DISC GOLF. It's not about fair play. It's about the 500 laws you bigots have passed against trans people.

[@lugodelatorre1665]

F-t pdga For the players disc golf rather but it's not

[@woodwindfixer9248]

To paraphrase George Carlin, it’s a special club and you ain’t in it. I think the 2 issues at play here must be separated when people discuss them for the sake of responsibility in civil discourse. Topic 1 is the removal of the Belize rep due to violation of amorphous unattributed rule breaking. I think that is a very good point that more transparency is needed and more of what is being discussed and decided in the names of the membership should be made available for membership access. Obviously there is a line that must be observed so there isn’t so much transparency that it turns into a free for all food fight. Having transcripts/minutes of various committee meetings available within X days with any votes on policy changes discussed held in >X days would probably be sufficient. Of course changing how thing work with a freshly re-elected and emboldened Nate Sepp Blatter Heinhold still holding court will be difficult. Special thanks to the 80%+ of membership who chose not to vote for gifting us that reality. I think related to topic 1, based on what was described in this video, I think the PDGA screwed the pooch on this one. Rule one on removal/termination as punishment in today’s hyperlitigious social media clickbait frenzy knee jerk society is to document everything and provide that documentation (at minimum what rule/policy/regulation was violated) at the time you make any sort of official announcement or press release. It may be unnecessary from a legal exposure stance, but in the court of public opinion it must be done otherwise something can happen like, I dunno, losing a massive membership affiliation in 2 days flat. Topic 2 is the transgender policy issue and this is where so many people are completely missing the boat. As shocking as this obviously is to many people, State and Federal LAW supersedes company policy when the two are at odds. It doesn’t matter if 99% of the people working for the company like or are unaffected by the policy. If the policy violates State law, particularly language in a State Constitution, the company’s policy is deemed illegal. The premise that MUST be held is the state recognizes X person as [insert gender/sex/etc]. Denying that person access to access/participation/employment as they are recognized by the state is in violation of the law. That has to be the starting point. Operating within the framework of the laws is far far more important than the popular opinion of an objectively small number of people who object regardless of the law. The PDGA has the unenviable job of splitting the baby on this issue. It will require serious people in the room discussing it who are mindful of the legal obligations companies have in various states. I do not know if the committee rep from Belize would qualify as a serious person or not (generally people who use phrases like “transgender agenda” are moving the needle to the less than serious side).

[@belizediscgolf]

Sounds alot like the International director of the pdga's communications on this topic. Actuality almost verbatim. Pushing Tournament Directors to look into local laws to prevent men from playing in women's divisions is not the solution. That is forced inclusion from a governing body that claims they don't want trans women in the female division.

[@marcuswilliams6367]

sad the cisphobes have to be so selfish and divisive. see, i can make up senseless words too!

[@MrJSpicoli]

I'm stealing that. TY

[@herbstomp003]

aw isn't that a cute turn of events...you all wore that pdga # so proudly, like you're really somebody now try to be less pathetic

[@Veggamattic]

You talk really slow

[@arr64lima63]

The situation you describe is disheartening. Disc golf began as a fun sport which eventually became a revenue generating activity. As time went on, it became a real money earner. The more money is involved, the more the big money interests begin taking over and forcing their viewpoints on the participants. If Natalie Ryan was such a threat to FPO, she would have placed higher than 16 at Ledgestone. It would be so much better if you would let trans athletes participate and let the chips fall where they may. I doubt Kristin Tattar is worried about "unfair" ability by other participants. Keep up posted on your findings and opinions.

[@ApplesRgud]

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[@jakemiller270]

I don't think the rule is about Natalie. What if a trans woman who has great form at 6"4 fits into the third tier of eligibility throwing 430 stock hyzer? That would break the FPO courses.

[@MisterMonsterMan]

"The more money is involved, the more the big money interests begin taking over and forcing their viewpoints on the participants" Isnt this exactly what is happening by allowing the trans players to play?

[@dustman96]

Still taking money from female players. Natalie has won a number of events and placed high in a many others, and this directly affects the earnings of the females in the division. Female divisions were created to protect women from unfair competition. That said, this is more about what could happen in the future than what's happening now. To be clear, these are males playing in a female division.

[@deadlined1833]

I think they only pay so many players so far down the tournament rankings. So even if Nataly doesn’t win he’s still stopping someone else from making money.

[@LS2798]

The Leonard's run the Belize Disc Golf program. 😂

[@path_of_gore8870]

That’s right and Chris has grown the sport more than any person I’ve ever met!! There was no to very little disc golf before he came around

[@belizediscgolf]

Belize members(including every woman) voted to remove the country from affiliate status.

[@capecarver]

...and?

[@robertcoon5934]

The only thing I care about, at this point, is will the disc golf culture make civility the main thing? If the disc golf culture can't be civil, then it's time to invent yet another sport.

[@jerrycrumpton1125]

Good will always be attacked by evil. Right will always be attacked by wrong. You do not blame or give evil and wrong our beloved sport. However, the sport seems to have outgrown the pdga.

[@jerrycrumpton1125]

Bye Bye

[@linusorri]

I agree that the minutes should be public, transparency is an important part of keeping power accountable.. Does Belize Disc Golf have their minutes that led to this decision available? All this being said it's pretty obvious that a lot of the discussion around trans women in sports is dog whistling for trans hate. You don't have to scroll down for long in the comments before people are saying that trans people are insane. I don't know what the solution is to the question of who can compete in what divsion but the inhumane way people are talking about trans people is a much much bigger issue.

[@BrAndOn_CaLLawAy]

So you are saying that because the majority of people disagree.. The MAJORITY.... that the bigger "issue" is that the majority is inhumane? Not that the minority is insane? The so called bigger issue is that the majority live in reality and wish to keep humanity.. humanity?? How is that inhumane? To me.. Inhumane is being encouraged to do things to your body..thinking that it's okay to play god.. altering your humanity.. only causing more damage to yourself and those around you. If you want to play god.. By all means.. Go ahead. It's your prerogative.. But don't expect everyone to just bow down to you. You my play god.. But you are not God.

[@logant9437]

​@laceTheAce1979 And don't forget, in most cases, they are completely onboard with young children wanting to be drugged and mutilated - often because there parents, friends and/or teachers really wanted it for them.

[@logant9437]

Being okay with trans medication and surgery being given to/performed on children, which most supporters of the trans agenda are? Yes, literally insane. How else would you describe it?

[@Ron46143]

It all comes down to money. The PDGA doesn't have the money to fight men playing in women's protected divisions. As long as men have money behind them to fight for the right to play in women's divisions this nonsense will continue. There's a huge difference between biological sex and gender identity. It's time for the courts to make those definitions clear.

[@mscudde2]

Bye bye Belize and Costa Rica!

[@louhaveman]

Ladies & Gentlemen, the above post is exactly how you start a cult...kicking out people you don't agree with.

[@mscudde2]

Buh bye @@louhaveman

[@chrisjensen9709]

Bye, Felicia!

[@joshuascribner7122]

Oh no. Not Belize. What is disc golf going to do

[@belizediscgolf]

Do you really believe Disc Golf is the PDGA? We grew from almost nothing to 13 courses without the PDGA. We will continue to grow Disc Golf as we did before without promoting the PDGA. World Flying Discs may provide an alternative in the future to the PDGA.

[@joshuascribner7122]

@@belizediscgolf and you can start your own NBA, MLB, NFL, whatever you want in Belize. That’s like saying I’m starting a new club team in southern Michigan. NOOONE cares. Grow the sport as big as you can, it will never be what the powers in the USA build. It’s all about the money. Plenty of people play disc-golf without the pdga and money. But to grow the sport it needs money. Grass roots are great but ask the touring guys from 15 years ago how it was. No standards, poor tournament showing:payouts, lack of females in the sport, etc. Disc golf needs people who are willing to invest, that is the difference from 15 years ago. More money means more people, courses, tournaments, and accessories. People like Natalie Ryan and Lying and stealing purses from real women of the pdga and now with his pro bono lawyers are stealing from the PDGA.

[@belizediscgolf]

@@joshuascribner7122 we ran an event last year with over 15,000 in total value, we are invested. The PDGA current board and employees lost an ally in this part of the world.

[@lugodelatorre1665]

Ftpdga

[@seangalbraith6837]

Committee member breaks committee rules and is shocked that she is removed from the position. Bye Belizcia

[@chrismoseley4828]

The degenerates will ruin everything you love. If you allow it.

[@jbailey2478]

I send with pdga .....keep confused men out of women's sports

[@Cummediaends]

Im not getting pdga membership anymore